Summer has not been kind to the following... (1 Viewer)

[maxwelledison]

This thread is for guys who are taking a summer beating in fantasy circles. Most of the criticism may be vindicated by the regular season but right now certain guys may present genuine opportunity. I'll start it off with Matt Cassel and Willis McGahee.

Cassell hadn't started since high school and improved as the year went on but I hear a lot of non-FBGs lining up to bring the beatdown on this kid. The next Scott Mitchell? I don't think so.

McGahee has not helped himself in the past few years. Still, he showed a little something in that playoff game before getting lit up. And, as much as I like Ray a 3 way RBBC is very possible. If Willis can somehow re-ignite his career the Ravens will have no qualms about running him into the ground and cutting him in 2010. Not bad for a guy I have seen go in the 11th of some redrafts.

Who else do we have?

 

[Sabertooth]

This thread is for guys who are taking a summer beating in fantasy circles. Most of the criticism may be vindicated by the regular season but right now certain guys may present genuine opportunity. I'll start it off with Matt Cassel and Willis McGahee.

Cassell hadn't started since high school and improved as the year went on but I hear a lot of non-FBGs lining up to bring the beatdown on this kid. The next Scott Mitchell? I don't think so.

McGahee has not helped himself in the past few years. Still, he showed a little something in that playoff game before getting lit up. And, as much as I like Ray a 3 way RBBC is very possible. If Willis can somehow re-ignite his career the Ravens will have no qualms about running him into the ground and cutting him in 2010. Not bad for a guy I have seen go in the 11th of some redrafts.

Who else do we have?

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Joseph Addai

 

[Routilla]

Joseph Addai

Coming off of knee surgery I am not sold on Joseph.

 

[FUBAR]

This thread is for guys who are taking a summer beating in fantasy circles. Most of the criticism may be vindicated by the regular season but right now certain guys may present genuine opportunity. I'll start it off with Matt Cassel and Willis McGahee.

Cassell hadn't started since high school and improved as the year went on but I hear a lot of non-FBGs lining up to bring the beatdown on this kid. The next Scott Mitchell? I don't think so.

So Cassell won't average 221 yards and 1.4 touchdowns over the next 57 games or have a season of 4338/32/12?

 

[Truman]

Joseph Addai

Coming off of knee surgery I am not sold on Joseph.

Addai's knee surgery was very minor. If anything it should make him better now he's not playing on it.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

McGahee's value seems to deflate a little more each day. I do think he's gone after this season, but I think the staff will use him in a larger role than what a lot of the Ray Rice fans are thinking. Right now, Rice is listed as the No. 1 RB and McGahee is in shape, understands the playbook and is a model citizen. I could see the staff dangling the idea of a bigger role for Rice all season long in front of McGahee as a way to keep him motivated.

 

[maxwelledison]

This thread is for guys who are taking a summer beating in fantasy circles. Most of the criticism may be vindicated by the regular season but right now certain guys may present genuine opportunity. I'll start it off with Matt Cassel and Willis McGahee.

Cassell hadn't started since high school and improved as the year went on but I hear a lot of non-FBGs lining up to bring the beatdown on this kid. The next Scott Mitchell? I don't think so.

So Cassell won't average 221 yards and 1.4 touchdowns over the next 57 games or have a season of 4338/32/12?

Fair enough. I forgot Stumpy had that year. My point was that he didn't exactly live up to the billing after signing a big contract.

 

[WFR]

McGahee's value seems to deflate a little more each day. I do think he's gone after this season, but I think the staff will use him in a larger role than what a lot of the Ray Rice fans are thinking. Right now, Rice is listed as the No. 1 RB and McGahee is in shape, understands the playbook and is a model citizen. I could see the staff dangling the idea of a bigger role for Rice all season long in front of McGahee as a way to keep him motivated.

I have a funny feeling that McGahee will play his a** off this year and finish with decent numbers.Don't know why but sometimes you jsut have to go with these hunches.

 

[Sebowski]

Thomas Jones.

Jets drafting Greene killed his stock. I don't think Greene will hurt Jones that much.

 

[saintfool]

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

so you think he's going to be benched or injured come December?

 

[Ray_T]

Thomas Jones. Jets drafting Greene killed his stock. I don't think Greene will hurt Jones that much.

Not this year.Greene should affect next year's draft. However, if Jones gets hurt, I think the starting role goes to Greene and he will either sink or swim at that point.

 

[Sabertooth]

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

so you think he's going to be benched or injured come December?

I'm saying that he is going to take a lot of hits. He was sacked double what Brady took in 2007. He holds the ball a long time. KC lost their best offensive player this offseason. He's going to be hit a lot, and be making a lot of saving throws vs. leg injury.

 

[David Yudkin]

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

so you think he's going to be benched or injured come December?

I'm saying that he is going to take a lot of hits. He was sacked double what Brady took in 2007. He holds the ball a long time. KC lost their best offensive player this offseason. He's going to be hit a lot, and be making a lot of saving throws vs. leg injury.

I disagree on what Cassel does. IMO, he DOES NOT hold the ball too long. In fact, I believe most of his sacks last year he gave up on plays way too soon and pulled the ball down very early and tried to make a run for it. Numerous times he ran INTO defenders instead of away from them and he also had times where he ran into his own Olinemen. I do not recall him taking too many hits where he was a statue and someone creamed him. He almost always was on the move and was trying to make some yardage by avoiding the sack. NE was 4th in total sacks allowed but only 14th in sack yardage lost. The Pats were a league best in only losing 4.6 yards per sack (compare that to 25 teams that had a net loss per sack of 6 yards or more).That being said, the Chiefs OL should be a concern as I think the Pats line is much better, but I would not be too worried about Cassel getting plastered and knocked out because the record book said he took a lot of sacks.

 

[Carver]

Lynch... 2 game suspension is scaring folks off. I can live with that. (See Steve Smith 2008). Buffalo still has a pretty solid line despite losing Peters, and Lynch will carry the full load.

Housh - if anything his value should increase due to the fact that he doesn't have to play Balt. and the Steelers 2x a year. Hass has made far lesser WR's fantasy gems.

Lewhale White- Can't remember a guy coming off of a 15td season who got less love the folowing year. The Chris johnson hype has him completely undervalued.

Carson Palmer - Too much talent for people to be giving up on him so soon.

Braylon Edwards - From hero to Zero over the last two seasons. it was a down year for all the Cleveland skill players. they still have a decent line intact, and without Winslow stealing RZ targets, Braylon could easily revert back to his '07 stud status.

 

[benbadman]

This thread is for guys who are taking a summer beating in fantasy circles. Most of the criticism may be vindicated by the regular season but right now certain guys may present genuine opportunity. I'll start it off with Matt Cassel and Willis McGahee.

Cassell hadn't started since high school and improved as the year went on but I hear a lot of non-FBGs lining up to bring the beatdown on this kid. The next Scott Mitchell? I don't think so.

So Cassell won't average 221 yards and 1.4 touchdowns over the next 57 games or have a season of 4338/32/12?

Fair enough. I forgot Stumpy had that year. My point was that he didn't exactly live up to the billing after signing a big contract.

Scott Mitchell to Herman Moore was awesome in Madden 95. Think I had a 160 catch season for him with some quick slant cheese.

 

[Sabertooth]

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

so you think he's going to be benched or injured come December?

I'm saying that he is going to take a lot of hits. He was sacked double what Brady took in 2007. He holds the ball a long time. KC lost their best offensive player this offseason. He's going to be hit a lot, and be making a lot of saving throws vs. leg injury.

I disagree on what Cassel does. IMO, he DOES NOT hold the ball too long. In fact, I believe most of his sacks last year he gave up on plays way too soon and pulled the ball down very early and tried to make a run for it. Numerous times he ran INTO defenders instead of away from them and he also had times where he ran into his own Olinemen. I do not recall him taking too many hits where he was a statue and someone creamed him. He almost always was on the move and was trying to make some yardage by avoiding the sack. NE was 4th in total sacks allowed but only 14th in sack yardage lost. The Pats were a league best in only losing 4.6 yards per sack (compare that to 25 teams that had a net loss per sack of 6 yards or more).That being said, the Chiefs OL should be a concern as I think the Pats line is much better, but I would not be too worried about Cassel getting plastered and knocked out because the record book said he took a lot of sacks.

I defer, as I didn't watch Cassell play much. But what indications do we have that he's solved those problems? He won't have Randy Moss or Welker as a first read any more. My reasoning may have been off, but the result might be the same. He has the potential to lead the league in sacks against again, no? This is what I was driving at. That means a lot of times being tackled and often in a vulnerable position. This is when injury happens. It isn't always the Wilfork to Losman type of stuff that injures players.

 

[saintfool]

I defer, as I didn't watch Cassell play much. But what indications do we have that he's solved those problems? He won't have Randy Moss or Welker as a first read any more. My reasoning may have been off, but the result might be the same. He has the potential to lead the league in sacks against again, no? This is what I was driving at. That means a lot of times being tackled and often in a vulnerable position. This is when injury happens. It isn't always the Wilfork to Losman type of stuff that injures players.

for starters, he's had an entire offseason to prepare for the position helps the guy tremendously. he spent pretty much his entire career preparing to be the backup rather than as the starter. he should be ready. that said, i don't think the chiefs expect or even want him chucking the ball all over. they don't have the passing game tools - receivers and line - to do make that feasible. instead, i expect them to lean on the running game and play for field position. they have some talent on the defensive side. that should put cassel in position to be effective and he can succeed.

 

[David Yudkin]

The thing about Cassell is that he was hit a tremendous amount of times last season. And the New England line is quite a bit better than Kansas City's. I traded him this offseason in a dynasty because I doubt he is playing come playoff time. Couple that with a far inferior running game and receiving corps and 2009 spells disaster for him. I hate to predict injury, but man he sure is going to take a lot of hits.

so you think he's going to be benched or injured come December?

I'm saying that he is going to take a lot of hits. He was sacked double what Brady took in 2007. He holds the ball a long time. KC lost their best offensive player this offseason. He's going to be hit a lot, and be making a lot of saving throws vs. leg injury.

I disagree on what Cassel does. IMO, he DOES NOT hold the ball too long. In fact, I believe most of his sacks last year he gave up on plays way too soon and pulled the ball down very early and tried to make a run for it. Numerous times he ran INTO defenders instead of away from them and he also had times where he ran into his own Olinemen. I do not recall him taking too many hits where he was a statue and someone creamed him. He almost always was on the move and was trying to make some yardage by avoiding the sack. NE was 4th in total sacks allowed but only 14th in sack yardage lost. The Pats were a league best in only losing 4.6 yards per sack (compare that to 25 teams that had a net loss per sack of 6 yards or more).That being said, the Chiefs OL should be a concern as I think the Pats line is much better, but I would not be too worried about Cassel getting plastered and knocked out because the record book said he took a lot of sacks.

I defer, as I didn't watch Cassell play much. But what indications do we have that he's solved those problems? He won't have Randy Moss or Welker as a first read any more. My reasoning may have been off, but the result might be the same. He has the potential to lead the league in sacks against again, no? This is what I was driving at. That means a lot of times being tackled and often in a vulnerable position. This is when injury happens. It isn't always the Wilfork to Losman type of stuff that injures players.

Cassel had 28 sacks in his first 8 games and 19 sacks over his last 8 games. Those last set of games he had 5 sacks against the Steelers (but then again a lot of teams gave up sacks against PIT).Cassel improved as the year progressed, and most notably his pocket presence improved. He started doing a lot better when he got away from snaps under center in favor of the shotgun, did better in multi-WR sets, and did better still running the dink and dunk passing game. He notoriously was very good short (under 10 yard throws) but beyond that struggled quite a bit (10 yards and out).

I think he will struggle some this year for no other reason than the talent and coaching level in KC is not on par with that in NE. It remains to be seen if he is something special or just a decent backup that was on a good team and kept the Pats in games. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

 

[Sabertooth]

We'll have to see.