supplemental draft today (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Here's a quick rundown of some players that may or may not get picked

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9447397

(July 9, 2006) -- Training camps are just around the corner, but teams still have a chance to add fresh talent to their roster on July 13. That's when the annual supplemental draft takes place and this year's draft has seven entrants.

Of the seven, Virginia linebacker Ahmad Brooks, Iowa State defensive end Jason Berryman, junior college linebacker David Dixon and Texas fullback Ahmad Hall were already on the radar. (See more information on them below.) But now they have been joined by:

Marco Martin, DT, Texas: Martin was highly recruited out of high school but had a hard time getting on the field at Texas.

Craig Berry, OL, Connecticut: Berry was a starter for UConn for much of the past two seasons.

Richard Washington, RB/WR, N.C. State: Washington caught 29 passes for 348 yards for the Wolfpack as a junior in 2004 but was dismissed from the team before his senior season. He worked out for scouts in early July and was measured at 5-foot-10 7/8 and 164 pounds. He ran outdoors on grass in good conditions but there was a light rain. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.66 and 4.76. He also had a 1.55 and 1.59 in the 10-yard dash, 2.75 and 2.72 in the 20-yard dash, 29-inch vertical jump, 8-foot-6 long jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 12.77 long shuttle and 7.23 three-cone drill.

 

[Bri]

some yahoo links

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Amap...=yhoo&type=lgns

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-b...=yhoo&type=lgns

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jm-s...=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[Bri]

In regards to Ahmad Brooks-

Chris Canty fell in the draft although Al Groh really liked him. He seemed to be a great value for the Boys and it looks like Dallas got a real good pick there. (One example of virginia player since Groh's there)

Last few years, there's been a few Virginia players that ...well it's an ACC school why should they be "sleepers"?

I'm wonderring why I keep reading about anyone even remotely associated with Groh in the NFL is interested in Brooks, while generally the others aren't. Parcells, BB, BB's buddy Saban, Mangini, Romeo etc. Then there's the two associated with the great Ravens D of years ago Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan.

Why, at some point, don't the other teams jump on and figure these guys are quality NFL D minds I'd better check this guy out?

I'm real curious how Brooks' career works out and if the other teams start to look at Virginia players differently.

From what I've read, teams are talking him down hoping he'll be a 4th round pick but a 3rd is still "the going rate". The Jets have an extra pick next year and IIRC the 49ers do too.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Love to see the Lions go after Brooks. They need LB depth bad.

Is Brooks a 3/4 or 4/3 LB??

 

[Bri]

I've read 3-4 ILB but some would like him to play outside so at times he could be a "rush backer" so.....I figure he's good enough(or thought of as good enough) to be a utility type "fill in" as he starts out in the NFL.

IIRC Bloom and Chaos believed he's probably not good enough(or in well enough shape or combo of the two) to start his rookie year.

 

[derek19]

Love to see the Lions go after Brooks. They need LB depth bad.

Is Brooks a 3/4 or 4/3 LB??

I read he's a good fit in both schemes. He played 3/4 in college though.

 

[derek19]

Anyone know when the draft starts?

 

[Bri]

Anyone know when the draft starts?

I read 1pm in a few articles but that means nothing as they don't state what time zone they're in when they write the article.Might be on NFLNetwork, maybe it's in the TV Guide

 

[diesel7982]

I've read 3-4 ILB but some would like him to play outside so at times he could be a "rush backer" so.....I figure he's good enough(or thought of as good enough) to be a utility type "fill in" as he starts out in the NFL.

IIRC Bloom and Chaos believed he's probably not good enough(or in well enough shape or combo of the two) to start his rookie year.

Given he just dropped 30 pounds in a month and has less than 2 months to get ready for the season, yes, it is very unlikely he'll be in game shape early enough this year to make an impact.

 

[radballs]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

 

[T Man]

THe rumors are that Groh has NOT been pimping Brooks. He kicked him off the team. I would think for his recruiting, he would want Brooks to go high, but I think he has been giving his friends the scoop honestly. Brooks has been a problem at Virginia and the rumor is that he was finally kicked off due to drug issues.

Brooks has first round talent. I see him as a fourth round supplemental pick.

 

[diesel7982]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

 

[radballs]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Answered my own question through Wikipedia. I wonder if this covers everything though.Supplemental Draft

In late summer, the NFL also holds a Supplemental Draft to accommodate players who did not enter the regular draft because they thought they still had academic eligibility to play college football. The supplemental draft maintains the same team order from the regular draft, with the team with the worst record in the previous season picking first. However, in the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, RB Tony Hollings was taken by the Houston Texans in the second round of the Supplemental Draft in 2003. Thus in the 2004 NFL Draft, the Texans forfeited a second-round pick).

The 1985 Supplemental Draft was particularly controversial. Bernie Kosar of the University of Miami earned his academic degree a year early but did not enter the regular draft that year. Rather than finish his eligibility at Miami, he entered into talks with his hometown Cleveland Browns, who advised him to delay his professional eligibility until after the regular draft. They then traded for the right to choose first in the Supplemental Draft. This angered many clubs, notably the Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants, who had expressed interest in choosing him in that season's regular draft. Many of today's Supplemental Draft rules aim at preventing a reoccurrence of this incident.

As of 2006, players who enter the Supplemental Draft usually are graded as players who should be drafted at a later round, or who have college eligibility problems (poor academic or discipline issues). Only 32 players have been taken in the past 26 Supplemental Drafts.

 

[radballs]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

Thanks diesel.

 

[There it is]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

Excellent summary.

 

[diesel7982]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

Thanks diesel.

No problem.But answering your question made me wonder what caused Steve Walsh to be in the Supp Draft in 1990.

Anyone know?

 

[houndirish]

THe rumors are that Groh has NOT been pimping Brooks. He kicked him off the team. I would think for his recruiting, he would want Brooks to go high, but I think he has been giving his friends the scoop honestly. Brooks has been a problem at Virginia and the rumor is that he was finally kicked off due to drug issues.

Brooks has first round talent. I see him as a fourth round supplemental pick.

I'm reading the same things, that Groh has not gone out of his way to talk up Brooks. As T-Man mentioned, this makes a lot more sense considering Groh kicked him off the team.

Lenny P has a good article on ESPN.com today about the supp draft and it's history. I wasn't aware that Cris Carter was a supp draft pick.

 

[derek19]

THe rumors are that Groh has NOT been pimping Brooks. He kicked him off the team. I would think for his recruiting, he would want Brooks to go high, but I think he has been giving his friends the scoop honestly. Brooks has been a problem at Virginia and the rumor is that he was finally kicked off due to drug issues.

Brooks has first round talent. I see him as a fourth round supplemental pick.

I'm reading the same things, that Groh has not gone out of his way to talk up Brooks. As T-Man mentioned, this makes a lot more sense considering Groh kicked him off the team.

Lenny P has a good article on ESPN.com today about the supp draft and it's history. I wasn't aware that Cris Carter was a supp draft pick.

I was shocked when I found out. Anyone know why he went into the suppl. draft?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

Thanks diesel.

No problem.But answering your question made me wonder what caused Steve Walsh to be in the Supp Draft in 1990.

Anyone know?

diesel,I believe it was because Jimmy Johnson left Miami.

LINK

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Supplemental Draft Pick History

Supplemental Draft Picks

Name Year Rnd Team Pos College

Al Hunter 1977 4 Seahawks RB Notre Dame

Johnnie Dirden 1978 10 Oilers WR Sam Houston State

Rod Connors 1978 12 49ers RB Southern California

Rod Stewart 1979 6 Bills RB Kentucky

Matthew Teague 1980 7 Falcons DE Prairie View A&M

Billy Mullins 1980 9 Chargers WR USC

Dave Wilson 1981 1 Saints QB Illinois

Chy Davidson 1981 11 Patriots WR Rhode Island

Kevin Robinson 1982 9 Lions DB North Carolina A&T

Bernie Kosar 1985 1 Browns QB Miami (FL)

Roosevelt Snipes 1985 8 49ers RB Florida State

Charles Crawford 1986 7 Eagles RB Oklahoma State

Brian Bosworth 1987 1 Seahawks LB Oklahoma

Cris Carter 1987 4 Eagles WR Ohio State

Dan Sileo 1987 3 Buccaneers DT Miami (FL)

Ryan Bethea 1988 5 Vikings WR South Carolina

Steve Walsh 1989 1 Cowboys QB Miami (FL)

Timm Rosenbach 1989 1 Cardinals QB Washington State

Bobby Humphrey 1989 1 Broncos RB Alabama

Mike Lowman 1989 12 Cowboys RB Coffeyville JC

Brett Young 1989 8 Bills DB Oregon

Rob Moore 1990 1 Jets WR Syracuse

Willie Williams 1990 9 Cardinals TE Louisiana State

Dave Brown 1992 1 Giants QB Duke

Darren Mickell 1992 2 Chiefs DE Florida

Tito Wooten 1994 4 Giants DB Louisiana-Monroe

John Davis 1994 5 Cowboys TE Emporia State

Darren Benson 1995 3 Cowboys DT Arkansas State

Mike Wahle 1998 2 Packers T Navy

Jamal Williams 1998 2 Chargers DT Oklahoma State

J'Juan Cherry 1999 4 Patriots DB Arizona State

Milford Brown 2002 6 Texans OL Florida State

Tony Hollings 2003 2 Texans RB Georgia Tech

Manuel Wright 2005 5 Dolphins DT USC

 

[radballs]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

THe rumors are that Groh has NOT been pimping Brooks. He kicked him off the team. I would think for his recruiting, he would want Brooks to go high, but I think he has been giving his friends the scoop honestly. Brooks has been a problem at Virginia and the rumor is that he was finally kicked off due to drug issues.

Brooks has first round talent. I see him as a fourth round supplemental pick.

I'm reading the same things, that Groh has not gone out of his way to talk up Brooks. As T-Man mentioned, this makes a lot more sense considering Groh kicked him off the team.

Lenny P has a good article on ESPN.com today about the supp draft and it's history. I wasn't aware that Cris Carter was a supp draft pick.

I was shocked when I found out. Anyone know why he went into the suppl. draft?

Carter, an All-American receiver at Ohio State, was forced to enter the supplemental draft after the NCAA declared him ineligible for his senior season after it was learned that his brother had set him up with an agent. Carter appealed the NCAA decision, and the 1987 NFL supplemental draft was postponed until the beginning of September, when Carter's (along with a player from Pitt) eligibility status was made clear.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

Actually Buddy Ryan did Cris a HUGE favor by cutting him so he could clean himself up.Many people wondered why Ryan cut him and let him go to Minnesota.

That info was kept pretty quiet until Carter retired, or at least near the end of his career.

 

[There it is]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

Actually Buddy Ryan did Cris a HUGE favor by cutting him so he could clean himself up.Many people wondered why Ryan cut him and let him go to Minnesota.

That info was kept pretty quiet until Carter retired, or at least near the end of his career.

Now your just showing off.

 

[diesel7982]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

Actually Buddy Ryan did Cris a HUGE favor by cutting him so he could clean himself up.Many people wondered why Ryan cut him and let him go to Minnesota.

That info was kept pretty quiet until Carter retired, or at least near the end of his career.

It was Carter himself that revealed this fact.

 

[derek19]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

Actually Buddy Ryan did Cris a HUGE favor by cutting him so he could clean himself up.Many people wondered why Ryan cut him and let him go to Minnesota.

That info was kept pretty quiet until Carter retired, or at least near the end of his career.

WOW!! I didn't know Carter had a drug problem. thanks for the info.

 

[derek19]

Maybe Cris Carter's drug problems stemmed back to his college days? Not sure.

Actually Buddy Ryan did Cris a HUGE favor by cutting him so he could clean himself up.Many people wondered why Ryan cut him and let him go to Minnesota.

That info was kept pretty quiet until Carter retired, or at least near the end of his career.

It was Carter himself that revealed this fact.

Does it really matter who revealed it?

 

[diesel7982]

Can someone summarize all the different ways or scenarios that would place a player in the supplemental draft? TIA

Any player that was eligbile for the Spring draft that did not declare for it is eligible for the supplemental draft. Nowadays, its primarily drug/academic issues.

Spring coaching changes or a player feeling like he will lose his job before next year can also cause a guy to leave early.

Thanks diesel.

No problem.But answering your question made me wonder what caused Steve Walsh to be in the Supp Draft in 1990.

Anyone know?

diesel,I believe it was because Jimmy Johnson left Miami.

LINK

Thanks, that was my guess, but I was thinking that Jimmy Johnson started coaching in 1989 at Dallas, and Walsh didnt go into the Supp Draft until 1990, which would put a year in between the two activities, which would make me wonder why Walsh wouldnt have gone into the regular draft in 1990.But Im sure my facts are screwed up somewhere in there.

 

[Kirby]

I'm guessing Ahmad Brooks to the Dolphins in the 3rd.

 

[trader jake]

regarding brooks - i read a quote from a scout that said "you don't know if you're getting lawrence taylor or lawrence phillips"

some team is getting a lot of potential, but are they going to be able to coach him up?

 

[diesel7982]

regarding brooks - i read a quote from a scout that said "you don't know if you're getting lawrence taylor or lawrence phillips"

some team is getting a lot of potential, but are they going to be able to coach him up?

I think the 40-50 lb weight gain since he was expelled is a Aaron Rudnicki sized red flag.

 

[Bankerguy]

Report:

Brooks to the Bengals (3rd round)

Looking for link.

 

[gregjcross]

apparently the bengals just got Ahmad Brooks for round three pick.

Meaning Nolan of SF and Saban/Miami were purely smoke and mirrors . Sort of predictable NFL information flow.

That the bengals would heap this guy onto AJ Nicholson and Chris Henry is absolutely amazing

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Report:

Brooks to the Bengals (3rd round)

Looking for link.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

[derek19]

 

[Bankerguy]

I believe Redzone is also reporting.

 

[T Man]

The Bengals would have been in the last group of Round 3. So obviously the teams that were expected to pick him (Miami, SF) didn't want to use a first day pick.

THe Bengals and Marv Lewis have now drafted Chris Henry and Odell Thurman (2005)

Frostee Rucker, A.J. Nicholson (2006)

Ahmad Brooks (Supp. 2006).

I like Marvin, but for him to say character is a priority is now a joke. Talent is the priority. They all have the latter, but the former is somewhat questionable.

 

[Bojang0301]

Report:

Brooks to the Bengals (3rd round)

Looking for link.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I give Marvin Lewis 2 years before that team implodes or become the Cincy Jailbirds.

 

[Bankerguy]

In comparison Brooks may be seen as a "High character" guy on that team.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Brooks is on Sirius NFL right now. He is definitely a Bengal. Brooks confirmed it was a failed drug test for marijuana that got him the boot from VT.

I am shocked with all the bad pub in Cincy for their current criminals that they would add another questionable guy.

Looks like Marvin really wants a 3-4 D.

 

[Sabertooth]

Looks like Marvin wants to own a whole wing at a prison.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

In comparison Brooks may be seen as a "High character" guy on that team.

aahaha lol

 

[T Man]

In comparison Brooks may be seen as a "High character" guy on that team.

Nolan Nowraki hit the nail on the head with this one. His prediction:

"With the Dolphins, Niners, Giants and Saints having done considerable work on Brooks, there’s a good chance a contender will consider forfeiting a late third-round pick on Brooks based on his sophomore tape and tremendous physical ability. "

Of course, I would have thought the Giants would have been in the third tier with Cincy. Guess Cincy won the pick (if NYG bid a 3rd)

 

[Bankerguy]

ESPN.com: NFL

Thursday, July 13, 2006

Bengals use third-round pick to select Brooks

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By John Clayton

ESPN.com

The Bengals jumped in front of the 49ers and other teams to select Ahmad Brooks in the third round of the supplemental draft.

Brooks was considered a first-round pick before having troubles at the University of Virginia. He suffered a knee injury last season and some off-field problems led him to being kicked off the football team.

Brooks' weight ballooned to around 290 pounds before he started going on a diet and then started working out with trainer Chip Smith in Atlanta. For his workout for NFL teams in June, he was 260 pounds, and he had decent but not great times in the 40.

In the past couple of weeks, Brooks started training with his former coach at Hargrave Military Academy. He lifted for two hours and did hard running drills for two hours.

Brooks told his agent, Greg Williams, he was in the best shape of his life.

It was interesting the Bengals would take him ahead of other teams such as the 49ers or Miami Dolphins. Character was an issue with Brooks, but it's a big theme of the Bengals' offseason. Bengals draft choices Frostee Rucker and A.J. Nicholson have had off-the-field incidents. Wide receiver Chris Henry, a third-round choice last year, has been arrested four times in the past year.

To acquire Brooks, the Bengals gave up a third-round choice in the 2007 draft.

John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com

 

[Bankerguy]

Could this mean there are really serious problems with Thurman? He missed mini camp due to "personal reasons".

Any Cincy homer insights?

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Has nothing to do with Thurman. Marvin wants to move to a 3-4. If Brooks works out he would be the other ILB with Thurman. I wouldn't expect the move to a 3-4 base D until 2007 though.

 

[BoulderBob]

Steal.

 

[BoulderBob]

Steal.

 

[s_ezy]

Steal.

now someone from the bengals is stealing?not surprised...

 

[helix]

This is pure entertainment. I guess the Bungles Org thinks they can turn these guys around. Just ask the Portland Trailblazers about the effects of bad citizens on a team. This pick just makes me laugh. Just when you think the Bungles have turned the corner, they pull moves like this. Nice work.