Survivor Draft Complete (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

This should give you guys a decent idea of current ADPs. Feel free to rip a team or two

12 Teams, Starting 1/2/3/1/1/1, 1ppr for WR, 2ppr for TE, 6 PT Passing TDs, everything else standard

Elimination Schedule:

Weeks 1-6: one team per week

Week 7/8: one team

Week 9/10: one team

Week 11/12: one team

Week 13/14: one team

Week 15/16: one team

Gatorman

Bulger, Marc STL QB - 9 4.12

Collins, Kerry OAK QB - 5 5.01

Frerotte, Gus MIA QB - 4 12.12

Faulk, Kevin NEP RB - 7 11.01

Lewis, Jamal BAL RB - 3 3.01

Toefield, Labrandon JAC RB - 7 15.01

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB - 10 1.01

Westbrook, Brian PHI RB - 6 2.12

Branch, Deion NEP WR - 7 7.01

Calico, Tyrone TEN WR - 10 18.12

Chambers, Chris MIA WR - 4 6.12

Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR - 10 8.12

McCareins, Justin NYJ WR - 8 13.01

Patten, David WAS WR - 3 14.12

Jolley, Doug NYJ TE - 8 10.12

McMichael, Randy MIA TE - 4 9.01

Brown, Josh SEA PK - 8 17.01

Scobee, Josh JAC PK - 7 19.01

Dolphins, Miami MIA Def - 4 16.12

Packers, Green Bay GBP Def - 6 20.12

Marc Levin

Delhomme, Jake CAR QB - 7 8.11

McNair, Steve TEN QB - 10 9.02

Volek, Billy TEN QB - 10 20.11

Alexander, Shaun SEA RB - 8 1.02

Bell, Tatum DEN RB - 9 3.02

Droughns, Reuben CLE RB - 4 10.11

Johnson, Larry KCC RB - 5 5.02

Williams, Moe MIN RB - 5 17.02

Engram, Bobby SEA WR - 8 14.11

Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 8 2.11

Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR - 6 11.02

Smith, Rod DEN WR - 9 7.02

Ward, Hines PIT WR - 4 4.11

Warrick, Peter CIN WR - 10 19.02

Johnson, Eric SFO TE - 6 6.11

Stevens, Jerramy SEA TE - 8 13.02

Akers, David PHI PK - 6 15.02

Tynes, Lawrence KCC PK - 5 18.11

Bears, Chicago CHI Def - 4 16.11

Buccaneers, Tampa Bay TBB Def - 7 12.11

Aaron Rudnicki

Brees, Drew SDC QB - 10 8.10

Manning, Eli NYG QB - 5 12.10

Plummer, Jake DEN QB - 9 7.03

Blaylock, Derrick NYJ RB - 8 11.03

Gore, Frank SFO RB - 6 16.10

Green, Ahman GBP RB - 6 2.10

Holmes, Priest KCC RB - 5 1.03

Rhodes, Dominic IND RB - 8 20.10

Boldin, Anquan ARI WR - 6 5.03

Bryant, Antonio CLE WR - 4 13.03

Burleson, Nate MIN WR - 5 4.10

Edwards, Braylon CLE WR - 4 15.03

Johnson, Keyshawn DAL WR - 9 9.03

Smith, Jimmy JAC WR - 7 6.10

Cooley, Chris WAS TE - 3 10.10

Witten, Jason DAL TE - 9 3.03

Graham, Shayne CIN PK - 10 17.03

Kasay, John CAR PK - 7 18.10

Jets, New York NYJ Def - 8 14.10

Lions, Detroit DET Def - 3 19.03

PurpleHaze

Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 7 8.09

Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB - 4 11.04

Vick, Michael ATL QB - 8 7.04

Benson, Cedric CHI RB - 4 6.09

Bettis, Jerome PIT RB - 4 9.04

Jackson, Steven STL RB - 9 2.09

James, Edgerrin IND RB - 8 1.04

Suggs, Lee CLE RB - 4 5.04

Brown, Reggie PHI WR - 6 18.09

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 7 4.09

Horn, Joe NOS WR - 10 3.04

Toomer, Amani NYG WR - 5 12.09

Williams, Mike DET WR - 3 14.09

Smith, Alex TBB TE - 7 15.04

Watson, Ben NEP TE - 7 17.04

Wiggins, Jermaine MIN TE - 5 10.09

Brown, Kris HOU PK - 3 20.09

Wilkins, Jeff STL PK - 9 16.09

Chiefs, Kansas City KCC Def - 5 19.04

Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def - 6 13.04

BostonFred

Brady, Tom NEP QB - 7 7.05

Dilfer, Trent CLE QB - 4 13.05

Faulk, Marshall STL RB - 9 8.08

Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB - 5 20.08

Johnson, Rudi CIN RB - 10 2.08

McAllister, Deuce NOS RB - 10 1.05

Perry, Chris CIN RB - 10 16.08

Williams, Ricky MIA RB - 4 10.08

Gardner, Rod CAR WR - 7 14.08

Johnson, Andre HOU WR - 3 4.08

Smith, Steve CAR WR - 7 5.05

Taylor, Travis MIN WR - 5 15.05

Terrell, David NEP WR - 7 17.05

Walker, Javon GBP WR - 6 3.05

Heap, Todd BAL TE - 3 6.08

Smith, L.J. PHI TE - 6 9.05

Carney, John NOS PK - 10 18.08

Cundiff, Billy DAL PK - 9 19.05

Panthers, Carolina CAR Def - 7 12.08

Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def - 3 11.05

Maurile Tremblay

Manning, Peyton IND QB - 8 1.06

Warner, Kurt ARI QB - 6 11.06

Brown, Chris TEN RB - 10 4.07

Duckett, T.J. ATL RB - 8 8.07

Martin, Curtis NYJ RB - 8 3.06

Staley, Duce PIT RB - 4 9.06

Taylor, Chester BAL RB - 3 20.07

Bruce, Isaac STL WR - 9 5.06

Caldwell, Reche SDC WR - 10 18.07

Jenkins, Michael ATL WR - 8 15.06

Lelie, Ashley DEN WR - 9 7.06

Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR - 4 6.07

Parker, Eric SDC WR - 10 12.07

Williams, Reggie JAC WR - 7 10.07

Gates, Antonio SDC TE - 10 2.07

Elam, Jason DEN PK - 9 13.06

Vanderjagt, Mike IND PK - 8 14.07

Chargers, San Diego SDC Def - 10 19.06

Falcons, Atlanta ATL Def - 8 16.07

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC Def - 7 17.06

Will Grant

Culpepper, Daunte MIN QB - 5 3.07

Garcia, Jeff DET QB - 3 12.06

Harrington, Joey DET QB - 3 10.06

Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 5.07

Jones, Julius DAL RB - 9 2.06

Portis, Clinton WAS RB - 3 1.07

Shelton, Eric CAR RB - 7 8.06

Bennett, Drew TEN WR - 10 4.06

Curtis, Kevin STL WR - 9 18.06

Evans, Lee BUF WR - 9 7.07

Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR - 6 6.06

Gaffney, Jabar HOU WR - 3 17.07

Stallworth, Donte' NOS WR - 10 9.07

Pollard, Marcus DET TE - 3 13.07

Troupe, Ben TEN TE - 10 11.07

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 10 19.07

Vinatieri, Adam NEP PK - 7 14.06

Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def - 10 15.07

Browns, Cleveland CLE Def - 4 20.06

Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def - 5 16.06

David Yudkin

Favre, Brett GBP QB - 6 6.05

Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB - 8 8.05

Losman, J.P. BUF QB - 9 13.08

Foster, De'shaun CAR RB - 7 4.05

Henry, Travis TEN RB - 10 7.08

Jordan, Lamont OAK RB - 5 3.08

Moore, Mewelde MIN RB - 5 9.08

Shipp, Marcel ARI RB - 6 15.08

Boston, David MIA WR - 4 16.05

Driver, Donald GBP WR - 6 5.08

Johnson, Chad CIN WR - 10 2.05

Moss, Randy OAK WR - 5 1.08

Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR - 4 20.05

Rogers, Charles DET WR - 3 10.05

Miller, Heath PIT TE - 4 14.05

Putzier, Jeb DEN TE - 9 11.08

Lindell, Rian BUF PK - 9 19.08

Nugent, Mike NYJ PK - 8 18.05

Cardinals, Arizona ARI Def - 6 17.08

Patriots, New England NEP Def - 7 12.05

LHUCKS

Green, Trent KCC QB - 5 6.04

Pennington, Chad NYJ QB - 8 10.04

Barber, Marion DAL RB - 9 19.09

Barber, Tiki NYG RB - 5 1.09

Barlow, Kevan SFO RB - 6 5.09

Williams, Carnell TBB RB - 7 3.09

Battle, Arnaz SFO WR - 6 20.04

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR - 5 9.09

Galloway, Joey TBB WR - 7 11.09

Glenn, Terry DAL WR - 9 12.04

Kennison, Eddie KCC WR - 5 7.09

Moss, Santana WAS WR - 3 8.04

Wayne, Reggie IND WR - 8 4.04

Franks, Bubba GBP TE - 6 14.04

Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 5 2.04

Graham, Daniel NEP TE - 7 13.09

Hanson, Jason DET PK - 3 18.04

Reed, Jeff PIT PK - 4 17.09

Broncos, Denver DEN Def - 9 15.09

Colts, Indianapolis IND Def - 8 16.04

Cobalt Cruisin'

Brooks, Aaron NOS QB - 10 7.10

Ramsey, Patrick WAS QB - 3 11.10

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 6 14.03

Davis, Domanick HOU RB - 3 1.10

Dillon, Corey NEP RB - 7 2.03

Dunn, Warrick ATL RB - 8 3.10

Pittman, Michael TBB RB - 7 10.03

Curry, Ronald OAK WR - 5 16.03

Jackson, Darrell SEA WR - 8 4.03

McCardell, Keenan SDC WR - 10 9.10

Moulds, Eric BUF WR - 9 8.03

Williams, Roy DET WR - 3 5.10

Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR - 4 20.03

Crumpler, Alge ATL TE - 8 6.03

Kinney, Erron TEN TE - 10 12.03

Dawson, Phil CLE PK - 4 17.10

Janikowski, Sebastian OAK PK - 5 15.10

Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def - 9 18.03

Giants, New York NYG Def - 5 19.10

Redskins, Washington WAS Def - 3 13.10

GregR

Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 9 12.02

Carr, David HOU QB - 3 10.02

McNabb, Donovan PHI QB - 6 3.11

Bennett, Michael MIN RB - 5 4.02

Davenport, Najeh GBP RB - 6 17.11

Davis, Stephen CAR RB - 7 15.11

Jones, Kevin DET RB - 3 2.02

McGahee, Willis BUF RB - 9 1.11

Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 3 14.02

Coles, Laveranues NYJ WR - 8 6.02

Mason, Derrick BAL WR - 3 7.11

Porter, Jerry OAK WR - 5 8.02

Robinson, Marcus MIN WR - 5 13.11

Stokley, Brandon IND WR - 8 9.11

Campbell, Mark BUF TE - 9 20.02

Shockey, Jeremy NYG TE - 5 5.11

Longwell, Ryan GBP PK - 6 16.02

Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 6 19.11

Seahawks, Seattle SEA Def - 8 18.02

Steelers, Pittsburgh PIT Def - 4 11.11

BassNBrew

Boller, Kyle BAL QB - 3 12.01

Griese, Brian TBB QB - 7 8.01

Palmer, Carson CIN QB - 10 7.12

Anderson, Mike DEN RB - 9 9.12

Arrington, J.J. ARI RB - 6 3.12

Jones, Thomas CHI RB - 4 6.01

Taylor, Fred JAC RB - 7 4.01

Colbert, Keary CAR WR - 7 15.12

Givens, David NEP WR - 7 10.01

Holt, Torry STL WR - 9 1.12

Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 13.12

Owens, Terrell PHI WR - 6 2.01

Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 17.12

Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 14.01

Anderson, Courtney OAK TE - 5 18.01

Clark, Dallas IND TE - 8 5.12

Peterson, Todd ATL PK - 8 20.01

Stover, Matt BAL PK - 3 16.01

Bills, Buffalo BUF Def - 9 11.12

Saints, New Orleans NOS Def - 10 19.12

 

[footballman_696969]

Scoring system? Must have favoured TE's for you to have taken Gonzo at 2.4 ( )

 

[LHUCKS]

Scoring system? Must have favoured TE's for you to have taken Gonzo at 2.4 ( )

2 ppr for TEs, 1 ppr for WRs, 0 PPR for RBs. I've added the rules at the top of the original post.

 

[footballman_696969]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

With a very quick look I like Grant's and Levin's teams, provided the bye weeks line up!

 

[joffer]

absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts

 

[LHUCKS]

absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts

I would have been all over him at 5.09...I took Reggie Wayne over him the round before.I agree he's value this year.

 

[joffer]

Love GregR's start getting K. Jones and McGahee, but I really don't like his choice of WRs later.I think I like Levin's team the best, but there's a lot of solid teams. Looks like a solid draft. 2 ppr for TEs really does change things.

 

[BassNBrew]

absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts

I wasn't in a position conducive to select him, but I couldn't agree with you more. I've gotten to the point that I'm almost avoiding him becuase I'm one SS injury away from seeing numerous teams go down the pooper.Any thoughts on the stud WR route out of the gate? Someone tries it every year and usually goes down in flames. Keep in mind that the ppr is rb-0, wr-1, te-3.

 

[LHUCKS]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

 

[BassNBrew]

Funny how Fred always ends up with Cats while I select the Pats.

 

[joffer]

absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts 

I wasn't in a position conducive to select him, but I couldn't agree with you more. I've gotten to the point that I'm almost avoiding him becuase I'm one SS injury away from seeing numerous teams go down the pooper.Any thoughts on the stud WR route out of the gate? Someone tries it every year and usually goes down in flames. Keep in mind that the ppr is rb-0, wr-1, te-3.

that was the first thing I checked, I couldn't believe Smith fell that far with you in the draft, but your draft position and WR-WR start kind of dictated it. Actually I think you ended up with some decent value at RB for going stud WR.

 

[bostonfred]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

You guys obsess about byes way too much.

 

[footballman_696969]

Starting Requirements?

 

[BassNBrew]

Starting Requirements?

First post...first line.

 

[footballman_696969]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

Didnt even check byes at first, but his team looked scary strong. After looking at it a second time, the byes will hurt him his team, and not having a solid rb #3 will also hurt his team imo.

 

[BassNBrew]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

You guys obsess about byes way too much.

The reason I do is I'm operating under the premise that against 11 other solid opponents I can't afford to give up an extra 5% of production to the field and expect to advance.

 

[Marc Levin]

With a very quick look I like Grant's and Levin's teams, provided the bye weeks line up!

my bye weeks all lineup well - week 8 is a problem when Harrison, Alexander, Jerremy Stevens and Engram are all on a bye.my team hinges on two things:

-Eric Johnson staying healthy: 2pts/TE Rec means EJ is HUGE if he gets 80 catches again.

-RB2: gaining a star over the season - with Tatum Bell, Larry Johnson, Moe Williams and Reuben Droughns as my RB2 players, I need Bell to secure the starting job and/or Priest to get hurt and/or Reuben to have weekly production.

Those ar emy only weaknesses - in a survivor/best-starter format, I think I am pretty much gold at QB, WR 1 through 3, K, D, and at least one weekly RB starter. It's the RB2 spot and EJ staying healthy that will; determine how fast I go out.

Last year, I used a platoon of Ty Wheatley, Amos Zereoue, and some other chumps at RB after Priest got hurt and I came in second in the league. You have to have a balanced team andmy team, IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!) and one of the strongest QB rotations in the league - thge Mcnair/Volek combo is gold in best starter.

 

[Marc Levin]

absolutely boggles the mind how far Steve Smith continues to fall in drafts 

I would have been all over him at 5.09...I took Reggie Wayne over him the round before.I agree he's value this year.

fifth round is about right for SSmith

 

[BassNBrew]

As a side note, how would bagger :11: have fared v. these teams.

 

[Anarchy99]

Marc obviously has not looked at my WRs . . .

 

[BassNBrew]

IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!)

I think Holt, Owens, and Givens has you trumped for the strongest starting WRs.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I have the best kickers.

 

[Anarchy99]

IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!)

I think Holt, Owens, and Givens has you trumped for the strongest starting WRs.

I think Moss, Johnson, Driver, and Rogers trumps that as well.

 

[BassNBrew]

Marc obviously has not looked at my WRs . . .

or mine...Colbert, Keary CAR WR - 7 15.12

Givens, David NEP WR - 7 10.01

Holt, Torry STL WR - 9 1.12

Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 13.12

Owens, Terrell PHI WR - 6 2.01

Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 17.12

Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 14.01

I see 60 points a week from this crew.

 

[LHUCKS]

IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!)

I think Holt, Owens, and Givens has you trumped for the strongest starting WRs.

I think Moss, Johnson, Driver, and Rogers trumps that as well.

I think Yudkin wins this pissing match.

 

[Will Grant]

With a very quick look I like Grant's and Levin's teams, provided the bye weeks line up!

I have a few too many week 10 bye weeks for my taste.. didn't plan it but it sorta started working out that way.. Assuming I make it that far, my week 9 should help. I have enough starters to cover everything though..

 

[BassNBrew]

IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!)

I think Holt, Owens, and Givens has you trumped for the strongest starting WRs.

I think Moss, Johnson, Driver, and Rogers trumps that as well.

I think Yudkin wins this pissing match.

Maybe...until Moss's piss comes back positive.

 

[Marc Levin]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

Didnt even check byes at first, but his team looked scary strong. After looking at it a second time, the byes will hurt him his team, and not having a solid rb #3 will also hurt his team imo.

"strong" RB3 = more or less irrelevent - RB3 to COVER BYES for RB1/2 is his entire usage. Can't look at this like a normal league - we are done , the best starters from your team in a 1/2/3/1/1/1 format will be counted. 0 pts/rec for RBs, 1 for WRs 2 for TEs. You can suirvive a LONG time on WRs w/o RBs - RBs are entirely overrated in this league - even though we annually take 30 in the first 40 picks, that is b/c the position is the most injury-prone and hardest to cover for injuries.

 

[Marc Levin]

IMO, has the strongest WRs (I start Harrison, Ward and RSmith!)

I think Holt, Owens, and Givens has you trumped for the strongest starting WRs.

I think Moss, Johnson, Driver, and Rogers trumps that as well.

Yudkin wins.

 

[LHUCKS]

After quickly glancing over the rosters I think BostonFred and Gatorman have the best squads right now.

Edit - I really like GregR and Cobalt Cruisin's teams too.

Gator's WRs concern me and check out Fred's bye issues...we were razzing him about it earlier this week.Fred's team is very strong though.

Didnt even check byes at first, but his team looked scary strong. After looking at it a second time, the byes will hurt him his team, and not having a solid rb #3 will also hurt his team imo.

"strong" RB3 = more or less irrelevent - RB3 to COVER BYES for RB1/2 is his entire usage. Can't look at this like a normal league - we are done , the best starters from your team in a 1/2/3/1/1/1 format will be counted. 0 pts/rec for RBs, 1 for WRs 2 for TEs. You can suirvive a LONG time on WRs w/o RBs - RBs are entirely overrated in this league - even though we annually take 30 in the first 40 picks, that is b/c the position is the most injury-prone and hardest to cover for injuries.

Yep this league is won and lost at the WR position. If you're not bringing in consistent production there you're toast.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would have taken 3 QBs if I hadn't gotten Manning. Drafting a QB like Manning who is consistently good allowed me to save a roster spot there.Same with Gates at TE. How many times would an 8th-round TE outperform Gates? Not very often at all, so I'm saving a roster spot there as well. (I'll get a zero on his bye week, but I can live with that.)Both of those moves are somewhat risky. If Manning or Gates are injured, I'm pretty much screwed.But I'm not going for third place in this league. I'm going for first, and to win it all against a lineup of opponents as strong as the ones we have in this league, you have to take some risks.The roster spots I saved at QB and TE, I used on DT and WR. A third DT makes a bigger differnce than you'd expect. A single DT can easily score anywhere from 5 to 25 points in a given week. The variance is big enough that you gain a huge advantage whenever one of your DTs has a big week. A big week from 1 out of 3 happens substantially more often than it does from 1 out of 2.I also draft kickers a lot higher in survivor leagues than I would in a normal league. In a normal league, you draft a cruddy kicker and cut him whenever you want to. There'll be decent guys on the waiver wire, so cutting/signing new guys every so often is no big deal. In a survivor league, however, you can't do that. Moreover, bottom-tier kickers can lose their jobs relatively easily. So to be safe, you have to get guys who have a very solid grip on the position.

 

[Marc Levin]

Marc obviously has not looked at my WRs . . .

or mine...Colbert, Keary CAR WR - 7 15.12

Givens, David NEP WR - 7 10.01

Holt, Torry STL WR - 9 1.12

Lewis, Greg PHI WR - 6 13.12

Owens, Terrell PHI WR - 6 2.01

Parker, Samie KCC WR - 5 17.12

Randle El, Antwaan PIT WR - 4 14.01

I see 60 points a week from this crew.

I like mine better:Engram, Bobby SEA WR - 8 14.11

Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 8 2.11

Lloyd, Brandon SFO WR - 6 11.02

Smith, Rod DEN WR - 9 7.02

Ward, Hines PIT WR - 4 4.11

Warrick, Peter CIN WR - 10 19.02

I have Harrison at WR2 - ahead of TO and Holt - so . . . .

But I also like my WR3 setup better than BnB's My byes also spread out better - BnB will struggle in weeks 6 and 7 when we are at 1 week elimination. I will struggle a week later in one-week elimination in week 8.

 

[Will Grant]

I would have taken 3 QBs if I hadn't gotten Manning. Drafting a QB like Manning who is consistently good allowed me to save a roster spot there.

Same with Gates at TE. How many times would an 8th-round TE outperform Gates? Not very often at all, so I'm saving a roster spot there as well. (I'll get a zero on his bye week, but I can live with that.)

Both of those moves are somewhat risky. If Manning or Gates are injured, I'm pretty much screwed.

But I'm not going for third place in this league. I'm going for first, and to win it all against a lineup of opponents as strong as the ones we have in this league, you have to take some risks.

The roster spots I saved at QB and TE, I used on DT and WR. A third DT makes a bigger differnce than you'd expect. A single DT can easily score anywhere from 5 to 25 points in a given week. The variance is big enough that you gain a huge advantage whenever one of your DTs has a big week. A big week from 1 out of 3 happens substantially more often than it does from 1 out of 2.

I also draft kickers a lot higher in survivor leagues than I would in a normal league. In a normal league, you draft a cruddy kicker and cut him whenever you want to. There'll be decent guys on the waiver wire, so cutting/signing new guys every so often is no big deal. In a survivor league, however, you can't do that. Moreover, bottom-tier kickers can lose their jobs relatively easily. So to be safe, you have to get guys who have a very solid grip on the position.

I took a little different route with Cpep. IN a 6pts per TD league, he was a pretty nice snag mid third round. PeP carried Levin a long way last season.With Garcia and Harrington, I automaitcally get the best starter.... so I don't have to care which week Garcia beats out Harrington... I'll get him either way.

 

[LHUCKS]

My byes also spread out better - BnB will struggle in weeks 6 and 7 when we are at 1 week elimination.  I will struggle a week later in one-week elimination in week 8.

My week 5 has me concerned. I actually drafted a 3rd TE because I was so concerned about it...and I have Gonzo This is not my best draft...I think my Messageboard v. Staff squad is much stronger.

 

[Marc Levin]

I would have taken 3 QBs if I hadn't gotten Manning. Drafting a QB like Manning who is consistently good allowed me to save a roster spot there.Same with Gates at TE. How many times would an 8th-round TE outperform Gates? Not very often at all, so I'm saving a roster spot there as well. (I'll get a zero on his bye week, but I can live with that.)Both of those moves are somewhat risky. If Manning or Gates are injured, I'm pretty much screwed.

I had Gates last year and he was HUGE for me - but he was not my weekly scorer at the spot - some weeks Crumpler was the guy - I was averaging 20+ pts/week from the TE spot. However, one down week from him - esp, if he holds out into the season - and you are probably eliminated very early, MT.To get to the end, you have to survive a VERY risky road weeks 1-5 during single elimination and while teams' stars are getting off to either slow starts or early season injury.Not taking a 2nd player at every position will, IMO, kill you in this league - it is an unheard of strategy - let's see how it pans out for you.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I had Gates last year and he was HUGE for me - but he was not my weekly scorer at the spot - some weeks Crumpler was the guy - I was averaging 20+ pts/week from the TE spot.

Good point. But Crumpler is also a very good TE. And the question isn't just How likely is it that a second TE would outscore Gates? It's also, And by how much? If a second TE would outscore Gates in 5 out of 17 weeks, but by an average of only 2 points, I'd rather have the extra roster spot to use somewhere else.If Gates holds out (or is benched) into the early part of the regular season, though, I am royally screwed.

 

[Anarchy99]

I would have taken 3 QBs if I hadn't gotten Manning. Drafting a QB like Manning who is consistently good allowed me to save a roster spot there.

Same with Gates at TE. How many times would an 8th-round TE outperform Gates? Not very often at all, so I'm saving a roster spot there as well. (I'll get a zero on his bye week, but I can live with that.)

Both of those moves are somewhat risky. If Manning or Gates are injured, I'm pretty much screwed.

But I'm not going for third place in this league. I'm going for first, and to win it all against a lineup of opponents as strong as the ones we have in this league, you have to take some risks.

The roster spots I saved at QB and TE, I used on DT and WR. A third DT makes a bigger differnce than you'd expect. A single DT can easily score anywhere from 5 to 25 points in a given week. The variance is big enough that you gain a huge advantage whenever one of your DTs has a big week.  A big week from 1 out of 3 happens substantially more often than it does from 1 out of 2.

I also draft kickers a lot higher in survivor leagues than I would in a normal league. In a normal league, you draft a cruddy kicker and cut him whenever you want to. There'll be decent guys on the waiver wire, so cutting/signing new guys every so often is no big deal. In a survivor league, however, you can't do that. Moreover, bottom-tier kickers can lose their jobs relatively easily. So to be safe, you have to get guys who have a very solid grip on the position.

I took a little different route with Cpep. IN a 6pts per TD league, he was a pretty nice snag mid third round. PeP carried Levin a long way last season.With Garcia and Harrington, I automaitcally get the best starter.... so I don't have to care which week Garcia beats out Harrington... I'll get him either way.

How many TD are you thinking CPep will get this year. He had 41 total last year. If you think near the same then he's a monster pick. I have him at 32 total TD but about 800 fewer passing yards. That was good enough to make him the #1 before, and he could be that again--but not if Manning goes for 40+.

 

[Marc Levin]

My byes also spread out better - BnB will struggle in weeks 6 and 7 when we are at 1 week elimination.  I will struggle a week later in one-week elimination in week 8.

My week 5 has me concerned. I actually drafted a 3rd TE because I was so concerned about it...and I have Gonzo This is not my best draft...I think my Messageboard v. Staff squad is much stronger.

I agree - I noticed some of your 10th-15th round picks and they looked like either distracted picks or CYA picks.My main worry again is at RB - a platoon behind a solid starter has to fly - but I am eminently confident in all other spots - realiziung RB was weak, instead of reaching to platoon a lot of RBs, I took guys after LJohn who I figured will bein the game on a weekly basis regardless of whether they are the starter.

I then concentrated on getting top-5 selections at other spots. IMO, Carolina/Chicago defense combo is a shoo-in for top-3 defensive scorer in this league. I love Akers, and Tynes figures to rarely be shut out at K (KC not score at least a FG and a few XPSs??)

The Delhomme/McNair/Volek combo should be soid, if unspectacular, all year long.

If Alexander does what Alexander does without bein ginjured, I only have to worry about surviving week 8 to constantly be the guy NOT HAVING TYHE LOWEST SCORE.

Scoring a lot is not the goal - not EVER having the lowest score is the goal.

BTW, I propose that we have the draft in order of finishes from here on out - and if we have to add players, they go to the bottom of the draft in random order and those who stuck around move up spots. It'll encourage folks to stay in the league, and it'll be a point of prestige to be a guy who was already here versus a "rookie" in our league. I love this league, BTW, and hope we are still doing it in 10 years.

 

[Marc Levin]

I had Gates last year and he was HUGE for me - but he was not my weekly scorer at the spot - some weeks Crumpler was the guy - I was averaging 20+ pts/week from the TE spot.

Good point. But Crumpler is also a very good TE. And the question isn't just How likely is it that a second TE would outscore Gates? It's also, And by how much? If a second TE would outscore Gates in 5 out of 17 weeks, but by an average of only 2 points, I'd rather have the extra roster spot to use somewhere else.If Gates holds out (or is benched) into the early part of the regular season, though, I am royally screwed.

or gets off to a slow start.You have also eliminated your chances of gettijng the HIGHEST score the early weeks when Gates is slow - which gives you imkmunity the following week.

IMO, it was a bad move simply to have an extra WR. Any warm body can help you out on a week that Gates is double covered by the best CB in the league all day long.

Noone's ever done what you did before MT, so who's to argue at this point?

 

[Marc Levin]

IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:Ahman Green - 2.10Marvin Harrison - 2.11Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01CuMar 3.06C-Pepp 3.07DJax 4.03Ward 4.11(I picked two of my players as best value)Biggest risk/reward picks:Gonzo 2.04Gates 2.07(almost reaches, but if both perform to expectations, should be big reward)Fred Taylor 4.01 - I almost put him at best value. If he plays 16 games this year, this was a friggin' STEAL - if he is injured week 4, BnB's screwed.CBrown 4.07 - CBrown will lose touhces to Henry, and likely near the G/L. Everything points to a bad year for CBrown - so if he is the starter for 16 games, it means he is being extensively used w/o getting hurt. We have all seen what Brown can do in just a HALF of football. What if he gets 15-20 touches EVERY game w/o injury with Henry is there to spell him? Could be HUGE in this format.

 

[LHUCKS]

My byes also spread out better - BnB will struggle in weeks 6 and 7 when we are at 1 week elimination.  I will struggle a week later in one-week elimination in week 8.

My week 5 has me concerned. I actually drafted a 3rd TE because I was so concerned about it...and I have Gonzo This is not my best draft...I think my Messageboard v. Staff squad is much stronger.

I agree - I noticed some of your 10th-15th round picks and they looked like either distracted picks or CYA picks.

Going Gonzo early forced my draft the rest of the way along with my early week 5 bye issues, both of which prevented me from nabbing value throughout the draft. I cornered myself and was pissing against the wind for the rest of the draft. I'll never go TE that early in this format again. I think I'll finish in the middle unless Cadillac and some of my WRs surprise.

 

[Anarchy99]

CBrown 4.07 - CBrown will lose touhces to Henry, and likely near the G/L. Everything points to a bad year for CBrown - so if he is the starter for 16 games, it means he is being extensively used w/o getting hurt. We have all seen what Brown can do in just a HALF of football. What if he gets 15-20 touches EVERY game w/o injury with Henry is there to spell him? Could be HUGE in this format.

Marc . . . if ANY RB gets 15-20 touches EVERY game, he will be huge in ANY format. So you can apply your statment to any RB on any team, regardless who is spelling him or vulturing TD.If we assign every player perfect health and a steady workload for 16 games, their numbers would all be astronomically high.

 

[Marc Levin]

CBrown 4.07 - CBrown will lose touhces to Henry, and likely near the G/L. Everything points to a bad year for CBrown - so if he is the starter for 16 games, it means he is being extensively used w/o getting hurt. We have all seen what Brown can do in just a HALF of football.  What if he gets 15-20 touches EVERY game w/o injury with Henry is there to spell him?  Could be HUGE in this format.

Marc . . . if ANY RB gets 15-20 touches EVERY game, he will be huge in ANY format. So you can apply your statment to any RB on any team, regardless who is spelling him or vulturing TD.If we assign every player perfect health and a steady workload for 16 games, their numbers would all be astronomically high.

True - but in CBrown's case . . .With the way the Titans are this year, I would not be surprised to see Henry and CBrown divvying up 7-10 catches per game - and Brown will get the bulk of them. I also fail to see how he could have less than 12-15 rushes ANY game he is the starter - there is 15 touches per game - more on any week he rushes the football 15 times.

 

[Marc Levin]

to add, with CBrown, his worth = one big 35+ yard run each time he rushes the ball. Plus a TD from outside the 10 yard line.That is where CBrown's bread and butter has been. If he does what he's been doing as an RB for the last 4 years, I could easily see 10 total TDs out of him in a 16 game season.

 

[LHUCKS]

to add, with CBrown, his worth = one big 35+ yard run each time he rushes the ball.  Plus a TD from outside the 10 yard line.

That is where CBrown's bread and butter has been. If he does what he's been doing as an RB for the last 4 years, I could easily see 10 total TDs out of him in a 16 game season.

That's a good point right there Mark. I like guys that have big games in this format...i.e. high deviations. Case in point, if you have seven WRs that score 13 points every week your #4-#7 WRs are as worthless as Lawrence Phillips. Now if you have seven guys that score between 20 and 6 every week(but average 13 a week) your WRs will on average score more points than the consistent WRs will...simple math.

 

[Marc Levin]

LHUCKS = smart.

 

[Anarchy99]

The problem I have with Brown is that on paper the Titans defense should be well below average. Inherant to that, they should be passing the ball a fair amount (thus why McNair is under the radar).I am not sure being behind equals a ton of extra carries, and if he and Henry split almost evenly, well, that could be a problem to your master plan.Brown averaged 20 carries a game last year, and with Henry in town my money is that that number goes down. He also averaged 1.8 receptions per game. That may go up given the new system . . . but I don't see any team doling out 7-10 receptions to RB per game. That range would be 112-160 receptions. The Packers led the league last year at 118. The Titans had 72 receptions to RB for all their running backs last year.I'm not shooting down Brown, but I am suggesting that some of what you may be banking on would fall in the category of "wishful thinking." Either way, Tennessee is a team that I am intrigued by, as who really knows what they will do this year.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm not wishing anything on Brown - I'm just calling it as I see it - McNair having to throw a lot works into what I'm saying - it'll be Brown in the flat on the release all day long with Bennett and the nobodies back there trying to beat coverage - esp. while Troupe is MIA.

 

[bostonfred]

IMO, Best Values in rounds 1-5:

Ahman Green - 2.10

Marvin Harrison - 2.11

Both Lewis/Westbrook to Gator at 2.12/3.01

CuMar 3.06

C-Pepp 3.07

DJax 4.03

Ward 4.11

No Steve Smith at 5.5? I think he was a steal. I'm actually a little surprised J Walker, A Johnson and S Smith didn't even get a mention in the top set of WRs discussion.

Am I just exceptionally high on these guys?