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I think Evie is also getting a very favorable edit.
Wait, that's Shan... Evie is the girl with rainbow shorts. Shan is the thin pastor JD wouldn't get fooled by twice.I think Evie is also getting a very favorable edit. I cringed when JD gave her the advantage the first time and shocked when she gave it back. When he was in confessional and said "Can't fool me twice" I knew immediately he was giving it back to her and would be gone. What I didn't know is that it would be in the same episode
Sorry, I meant to put a paragraph break in there. Yes I was cringing when JD gave Shan the advantage back, I was also commenting that I think Evie is getting a good edit. As I read it back I clearly see what you are sayingWait, that's Shan... Evie is the girl with rainbow shorts. Shan is the thin pastor JD wouldn't get fooled by twice.I think Evie is also getting a very favorable edit. I cringed when JD gave her the advantage the first time and shocked when she gave it back. When he was in confessional and said "Can't fool me twice" I knew immediately he was giving it back to her and would be gone. What I didn't know is that it would be in the same episode
There was no way JD was going to be loyal. He did not want to work with Picard and was reluctantly working with Shan. He was under the impression her freak out about tribal was correct and so was trying to do whatever he could to build her trust to stay another day. But he was most definitely biding his time/waiting for the merge and was going to flip first chance he had to make a big move. He kept saying as much in his confessionals (that he wanted to make a big move, impact the game of Survivor, etc.)
A great player would have allied with an on-the-bottom Genie and used his steal a vote advantage to vote Shan out.
He talks a big game but then his actual finger roll is an airball. I still think he would have remained more loyal than Genie. He gave her his advantage twice and couldn’t see the easy win and stay alive right in front of him. He wasn’t long for the game anyway but I ignore the bluster and think he'd stay loyal like his actions implied.
Yeah, I read an article with an interview with JD where he said Genie made it obvious she wasn't going to work with him. She's not a very good player.
I can't believe she didn't use her "Shot in the Dark". She didn't trust any of those people (with good reason). Shan went to her and said that she and Ricard are voting JD so she should too. She should have rolled - her vote doesn't matter if they are telling the truth. Even without her vote it would have been 2-1. Roll the die to protect yourself in case the three were lying (which to me would have been the more likely scenario with how the previous tribal went). She knows Ricard and Shan are tight so the "you lost trust with us" argument doesn't hold water because she knows she is next on the chopping block regardless.
Well, they weren't gonna loop him on it because he blabs everything. He probably thought he was the target of the challenge throw and needed to preserve his own game.DJackson10 said:
I don't think he was aware of the challenge throw, that was just between the 2 guys. Until that episode aired, he was probably telling his friends that he single handedly won the day!
Honestly, it’s even more impressive. Like if Nemo Leibold had led the 19 White Sox to the Series win single handidly. Nasir had two guys, 50% of the team, one who is a world class athlete scheming to throw the game and he still pulled off immunity.
He also had the crappy other teams and luck on his side (Erica finding the key instead of them). When they first showed Danny and Deshawn talking about how they were trying to throw it by swimming slow and then panned out to see they were in first by a large amount I just laughed. And what the hell was Evie doing when she was swimming parallel to shore?
Hopefully this isn't too spoilerish (but involves post-game interview knowledge, so stop here if you aren't interested in that). In one of his post-game interviews, JD said he really didn't want to work with them and was always looking for a way to get one of them out. Just couldn't get the other players to go along. He compared Shan's game to the Boston Rob game where he was the "godfather" and no one would go against him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't work with them outta necessity/practicality, but there was zero loyalty there.
I think the bolded is part of his talk. He couldn’t have had a better chance. Extra vote and Genie was upset at being out of the loop on the vote. He shows her the advantage and she’s in. His talk, even in show, didn’t match up to what actually happened. If he really didn’t want to work with them, he had the past two votes to get rid of either one.
But he didn't have the other votes to do it. He tried over and over, and each time just did what he thought he could to save his skin one more week.
Huh? If he talks to Genie right away they have a 3-2 advantage with his extra vote. Instead he gave away his advantage, again and completely misread that he was the target, especially after he gave up his extra vote. He never approached Genie at the start. I don’t everything he says after the fact as the truth. Just like in game, he talked a better game than he played.
Ok, I don't take everything they show us on screen as "the truth" either. There is a LOT of stuff that goes on that never makes it on screen to provide good storylines, portray players the way they want to, etc. I don't take everything in post-game interviews as gospel, but it does generally fill in the gaps a lot of times, and he did try what you suggested, if you believe him. But in the end, we don't really know. My point is just that others have to agree to go along no matter how "correct" a plan is (and I agree with you, that would be the right plan for JD).
Got it and you have seen more. I just think from his finger roll attempts and other talks that he thinks way more highly of his ability than is true. That’s why I can’t put faith in what he says happened. I’d be embarrassed if I were him as a super fan doing a move that everyone would laugh at and nothing on TV showed that he even tried with Genie or got rebuffed (this week). He put all his eggs in voting Genie and have away his extra vote. If he had tried with Genie, I don’t think there’s a chance that he would have given up his extra vote. If he was thinking like that he would have been a lot more skeptical of losing his extra vote.Maelstrom said:
2 weeks ago, he and genie could have voted either shan or ricard out. jd was just an awful player. period.Maelstrom said:
Yeah, if you have an extra vote and you know Brad and Genie aren’t “players” that will easily gain friends at the merge, use them to get rid of the better players. Instead of sticking with the type of people who would likely be loyal to a fault, you give your advantage away to the better players to stay in their good graces. It’s sad to say because of his love for the game but he was a terrible player.
Just colossally bad. Did genie just decide to let the idol stay in the tree? That had to be edited out, right? Right!!??
It really has been terrible game play so far. How many people have ever been talked out of an idol? Genie literally had the idol if she kept it and said the phrase at the challenge. JD had an extra vote which if he talks to Genie about it, they take out Shan but he gives the extra vote to Shan. Xander being an airhead.
It’s hard to tell. I do recall in the past when one tribe hogged the tribals they got lots of screen time and faded away. Shan’s been at 4 of the 6 tribals and the blue team hasn’t been to one. Not much to show if your team hasn’t been to one."Everyone here is tight, there's just three of us, every name has been said, everyone's heard the pitch from every side, we're all good tough players. It could go any way, we're all a little uncertain."
"So should anyone play an advantage or shot in the dark?"
"Huh? Oh, no, definitely, way too early for that. Everything's cool and we should all be confident and there's no reason to suspect anything at all is up."
Just the editing, probably. But I can't believe Genie didn't roll the dice.
And, still Shan getting the winner's edit, but, not sure if for the season or just because that tribe always loses. Ye gods they're bad.
There's only 12 left, if three in the finals that leaves the other 9 in the jury. If they don't merge it takes away the "how do you convince 9 people you helped vote out, to vote to give you the money" part of the game
Sharing it with other people is Uber dumb. Seems like they wanted to force a lot of “known” idols, probably to make that knowledge advantage so huge. Imagine a tribal where a person you want to vote out has a HII that people know about (like the three headed one in play now) and you steal it from them right before tribal or heck at the start of tribal. They are forcing them into the open to change the show but still people are sharing way too much on hidden ones.
Don’t know but from the preview they made it seem like a drop your buffs but that doesn’t mean merge. I was conjecturing based on that. Also, how do you know those numbers will stay the same? Seems like they are toying around with a lot of changes this season, so I’m not assuming it’s going to all stay the same. Heck, we still haven’t seen anyone roll the die yet, which is really surprising.
I guess you can keep voting people off and not to the jury. Eventually you have to merge. Seems ridiculous to let people on the jury voting for a winner that never voted them out.
Who knows? I’m just not expecting the exact same merge/jury stuff based on all the new advantages/idols/ship’s wheel/interacting with other tribes. The preview did show that it could be different.
The master game player would have agreed with Shan to vote out Genie and had Shan get with Genie to talk her into voting for Ricard (to take the target off of Shan) then used his extra vote and voted out Shan while the other two single votes were split. Then Shan is gone and it's a huge play that he could have used to bring Genie to his side as an ally (not that necessarily helps way down the line).identikit said:
