Susan B Anthony Pardoned--Democrat mad (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Dangit!! and I asked you to NOT do that, and you went full Sho anyway.   Man..I was hoping you would hold back,.

You can keep making attempts at insults while avoiding the point...wont make this thread any better.

 

[supermike80]

You can keep making attempts at insults while avoiding the point...wont make this thread any better.

I know board cop.  i did change the thread title. Like I said, I sincerely hoped you wouldn't go there, but I should have known better.  Sigh

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yeah, I can read news stories like anyone else can. I was just annoyed with you asking me a question you already knew the answer to in some silly attempt to get a BIG BURN.   

Extremely tiring.

Actually came for info. Ok thanks for the convo.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

She sold arms to the Cubans during the Spanish-American war.  The silver lining here is that this eventually led to the Platt Amedment, which we all remember fondly from Fast Times.

I'll order some pizza, then, thanks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Eye on the ball, guys. This pardon is stupid theater and no one should really care one way or the other when it's simply a distraction from this.

Actual high crimes.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I mean come on.   These are the kinds of things that make me really dislike the democratic party.   These things make the party look silly.

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/guilty-of-nothing-lt-gov-hochul-says-susan-b-anthony-doesnt-need-a-pardon/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=socialflow

I'm sorry for not reading this the first time - so this was it, she was arrested by a US marshal after the fact.

Not sure I see why the pardon was needed, she never paid the fine and what Anthony did was totally illegal at the time. Sounds like it was a point of pride for her, she went out of her way to do it. Great moment in American history, it should stay on the books.

 

[JIslander]

I'm sorry for not reading this the first time - so this was it, she was arrested by a US marshal after the fact.

Not sure I see why the pardon was needed, she never paid the fine and what Anthony did was totally illegal at the time. Sounds like it was a point of pride for her, she went out of her way to do it. Great moment in American history, it should stay on the books.

Yeah, this will backfire with the wimmins this was targeted for 

 

[BroadwayG]

Well done. Easily cracks the top 2 things Trump has done while in office.

 

[dozer]

Eye on the ball, guys. This pardon is stupid theater and no one should really care one way or the other when it's simply a distraction from this.

Do you mean to tell me that a G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel That Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia, is more important than ... that lady this threads about.

 

[Skoo]

"Actually, virtue signaling is good."

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Democrats is plural...making a big deal about “democrats” implies its more than one fringe person like this.     But you knew that.  So again the point of this was not about civil discussion...but to get people to react...that has shown over and over in your posts here.  In other words...just flat out trolling.

Disagree that was not his point.  But let’s pretend it was.  Why do you take the bait every single time?  By your logic I assume it’s to troll back?

 

[Gr00vus]

Eye on the ball, guys. This pardon is stupid theater and no one should really care one way or the other when it's simply a distraction from this.

In case people didn't bother to read the article an insightful excerpt:

The report by the Senate Intelligence Committee, totaling nearly 1,000 pages, provided a bipartisan Senate imprimatur for an extraordinary set of facts: The Russian government undertook an extensive campaign to try to sabotage the 2016 American election to help Mr. Trump become president, and some members of Mr. Trump’s circle of advisers were open to the help from an American adversary.

 

[Zow]

The point of the thread was to point out how silly democrats can be.  The guy pardon's Susan B Anthony and the democrats still find something bad about it.  It's just the usual Trump Derangement Syndrome that shows up every day.  As I said in the OP, I find this silly and it makes me dislike the democratic party.   Oh and by the way the woman who came out didn't so so because she was against Susan's actions.   

Respectfully, do you think starting a thread with such intention helps or hinders positive discourse? 

 

[supermike80]

Respectfully, do you think starting a thread with such intention helps or hinders positive discourse? 

When I call the democrats silly, I don't think you can say my intention is to create "positive" discourse.  Just as when someone says a 6 year old can out debate the President.  Same concept.  It's really hypocritical to ask for this and watch it go completely out of the window when republicans or the President are the topic.  Sorry

 

[Zow]

I'm sorry for not reading this the first time - so this was it, she was arrested by a US marshal after the fact.

Not sure I see why the pardon was needed, she never paid the fine and what Anthony did was totally illegal at the time. Sounds like it was a point of pride for her, she went out of her way to do it. Great moment in American history, it should stay on the books.

Plus that's also how civil disobedience works - the defendant knows he or she is committing a crime and is willing to accept the punishment. From a legal perspective, the defendant is very much guilty as the person makes his or her intent obvious. 

 

[Zow]

When I call the democrats silly, I don't think you can say my intention is to create "positive" discourse.  Just as when someone says a 6 year old can out debate the President.  Same concept.  It's really hypocritical to ask for this and watch it go completely out of the window when republicans or the President are the topic.  Sorry

So... what was your point then?

ETA: I suppose in fairness your point was simply to point out something that you thought was silly. Ignore my question. We'll just have to agree to disagree that such is a meaningful and worthwhile point. 

 

[supermike80]

So... what was your point then?

To point out how silly the democrats are being?   Am I not putting the word silly in my posts???????  I'm not sure what you're missing here.  

 

[Zow]

To point out how silly the democrats are being?   Am I not putting the word silly in my posts???????  I'm not sure what you're missing here.  

You posted this about the same time as I edited my post. See above. I acknowledge I asked a question that you had already answered. 

What I'm missing here is understanding why you thought your point was worthwhile and "excellent." 

 

[dkp993]

So... what was your point then?

To point out how silly the democrats are being?   Am I not putting the word silly in my posts???????  I'm not sure what you're missing here.  

Fair. Then why did you admonish people for “silly posts“ telling them to “be better” and they are taking away from an intelligent conversation then?

 

[supermike80]

You posted this about the same time as I edited my post. See above. I acknowledge I asked a question that you had already answered. 

What I'm missing here is understanding why you thought your point was worthwhile and "excellent." 

I'm sorry.   Are we all supposed to explain our threads to you?  Is that in the rules somewhere?  Go away.

If someone can post about how republicans are destroying the world, I can post about how democrats are silly.  Why is it ok for 99% of the posts here to be negative to the right, but when one posts a negative to the left, it either gets deleted, locked, or the posters all of a sudden care about "excellence"

Hypocrisy again.  Can't.stand.it.   Be true regardless.

 

[supermike80]

Fair. Then why did you admonish people for “silly posts“ telling them to “be better” and they are taking away from an intelligent conversation then?

Because I was feeling snarky after a poster said the President should focus SOLELY on the Covid deaths.  Not anything else...ever..for any reason.  Or at least any reason HE felt was appropriate.  So I got peeved.  Pretty normal.    

Now I got another poster asking why my posts aren't "excellent" in an absolute ocean of unexcellent postings and I'm feeling snarky again.  

But I won't this time.  

 

[dkp993]

Because I was feeling snarky after a poster said the President should focus SOLELY on the Covid deaths.  Not anything else...ever..for any reason.  Or at least any reason HE felt was appropriate.  So I got peeved.  Pretty normal.   

Cool, makes sense. Appreciate the honesty.   

 

[supermike80]

Cool, makes sense. Appreciate the honesty.   

Doesn't help when board cop shows up either and starts in with the word democrat or democrats.   I mean come on man

 

[Megla]

Doesn't help when board cop shows up either and starts in with the word democrat or democrats.   I mean come on man

This isn't true unless you can provide a link!

 

[Mile High]

To point out how silly the democrats are being?   Am I not putting the word silly in my posts???????  I'm not sure what you're missing here.  

So are the Republicans being silly when the President says he deserves a 3rd term as president?

 

[supermike80]

So are the Republicans being silly when the President says he deserves a 3rd term as president?

I dunno..Make your own thread and it can be discussed there.

 

[Megla]

So are the Republicans being silly when the President says he deserves a 3rd term as president?

sure, being stupid as well( was going to type to but didn't want to be corrected by GM)

 

[dkp993]

Doesn't help when board cop shows up either and starts in with the word democrat or democrats.   I mean come on man

Sure I get it. But in fairness when you start a snarky thread, rail on hypocrisy while being hypocritical it’s going to get the response it got (which I obviously fell pray too as well).  You seem like a smart dude I know you get this and aren’t really surprised by it.  
 

*again, to be extra clear I have zero problem with the thread being anti-D, as you correctly pointed out there are plenty of anti-R posts here, it’s about what I posted in the sentence above.  

 

[supermike80]

Sure I get it. But in fairness when you start a snarky thread, rail on hypocrisy while being hypocritical it’s going to get the response it got (which I obviously fell pray too as well).  You seem like a smart dude I know you get this and aren’t really surprised by it.  
 

*again, to be extra clear I have zero problem with the thread being anti-D, as you correctly pointed out there are plenty of anti-R posts here, it’s about what I posted in the sentence above.  

I will only agree that I was hypocritical for calling people silly when in fact I was doing it myself.  I do not believe I am hypocritical politically, like most people are.  

 

[dkp993]

I will only agree that I was hypocritical for calling people silly when in fact I was doing it myself.  I do not believe I am hypocritical politically, like most people are.  

Sure, Was referring to your first sentence not your second  

 

[supermike80]

Sure, Was referring to your first sentence not your second  

Roger that.  Thanks for talking me off the ledge

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

If someone can post about how republicans are destroying the world, I can post about how democrats are silly.  Why is it ok for 99% of the posts here to be negative to the right, but when one posts a negative to the left, it either gets deleted, locked, or the posters all of a sudden care about "excellence"

Typically when people start "Republicans are destroying the world" threads, they actually try to explain how Republicans are destroying the world and are willing to discuss the question with people with opposing views.

But this all this board protocol stuff should be moved to a more appropriate thread.  I'm here to discuss Susan B. Anthony the illegal voter.

 

[dkp993]

Roger that.  Thanks for talking me off the ledge

. Not sure I did that, but got fiery myself this morning and shouldn’t have. 

 

[supermike80]

Typically when people start "Republicans are destroying the world" threads, they actually try to explain how Republicans are destroying the world and are willing to discuss the question with people with opposing views.

But this all this board protocol stuff should be moved to a more appropriate thread.  I'm here to discuss Susan B. Anthony the illegal voter.

Awesome...go ahead

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Typically when people start "Republicans are destroying the world" threads, they actually try to explain how Republicans are destroying the world and are willing to discuss the question with people with opposing views.

But this all this board protocol stuff should be moved to a more appropriate thread.  I'm here to discuss Susan B. Anthony the illegal voter.

Awesome...go ahead

I mean, I kinda already have.  If someone actually tries to explain why it's silly for someone to oppose the pardon maybe I'll chime in with some more.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I guess I don't understand how the pardon is disrespectful or harming the legacy of Susan B. Anthony.  The Lt. Gov said Trump should let her "rest in peace".  I only see this as acknowledgment that her cause was right and just.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Because I was feeling snarky after a poster said the President should focus SOLELY on the Covid deaths.  Not anything else...ever..for any reason.  Or at least any reason HE felt was appropriate.  So I got peeved.  Pretty normal.   

Cool, makes sense. Appreciate the honesty.   

Except I didn't say that at all so not real honest.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Typically when people start "Republicans are destroying the world" threads, they actually try to explain how Republicans are destroying the world and are willing to discuss the question with people with opposing views.

But this all this board protocol stuff should be moved to a more appropriate thread.  I'm here to discuss Susan B. Anthony the illegal voter.

nm

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I guess I don't understand how the pardon is disrespectful or harming the legacy of Susan B. Anthony.  The Lt. Gov said Trump should let her "rest in peace".  I only see this as acknowledgment that her cause was right and just.

I think that it really just has to do with the nature of civil disobedience.   One purpose of a posthumous pardon is to rehabilitate the memory of a dead person.  For example this site lists some people that were wrongfully convicted of murder or another serious crime and were posthumously pardoned.  But Susan B. Anthony's reputation isn't rehabilitated by this pardon.  Her arrest and conviction were a source of pride for her, they are one reason that she's considered an American hero.  So in some sense the pardon is actually removing a positive part of her legacy. 

I think that's the argument at least.  I don't find it very convincing.  The story of her arrest can still be told, the official pardon is just a symbolic admission that the government treated her wrongly.  

 

[The Commish]

Trump will not get credit for doing anything good 

you should probably check the silver linings thread...

 

[sho nuff]

Doesn't help when board cop shows up either and starts in with the word democrat or democrats.   I mean come on man

I said much more than that...because you were making it out to  be like Democrats as a whole or even any significant amount of democrats or someone prominent was being silly.  But that wasnt the case.  And blaming your bs on other posters is absolutely weak sauce...but oar for the course.

Also...when asked why it was silky or what you thought  about the  pardon...you refuse to answer.

Thats all in you...not other people.

 

[Joe Summer]

Hulk is a Democrat now?

 

[Osaurus]

Hulk is a Democrat now?

He’s obviously Green Party 

 

[supermike80]

Except I didn't say that at all so not real honest.

Who are you?

 

[Zow]

I'm sorry.   Are we all supposed to explain our threads to you?  Is that in the rules somewhere?  Go away.

If someone can post about how republicans are destroying the world, I can post about how democrats are silly.  Why is it ok for 99% of the posts here to be negative to the right, but when one posts a negative to the left, it either gets deleted, locked, or the posters all of a sudden care about "excellence"

Hypocrisy again.  Can't.stand.it.   Be true regardless.

I'm a registered Republican myself. I haven't posted about how they are destroying the world. I'd prefer other Republicans carry themselves above any sort of unnecessary and unhelpful pettiness (which, of course, is why I can't stand that guy currently in office representing the party). 

And if you want to be technical, it is in the rules here for us to be excellent to one another. As such, it was difficult to overlook it when you indicated your motivation for this thread. As somebody who wants Republicans to hold ourselves to high standards, your post didn't coincide with that. 

 

[zoonation]

I agree it us silly for democrat(s) to get all worked up about this pardon.  I have no doubt the target audience for this shameless virtue signalling PR stunt will see and understand it for exactly what it is.  

 

[Opie]

People here apparently, just can not see how President Trump plays the MSM at every turn.

This guy lays it all out for you .

They are so hell-bent on "getting him" that they just cannot see that it is only a picture of a tunnel in front of the sheer rock wall. 
And they don't do any better with Kayleigh Mcenany

If you really want to know how he does it and why they fall for it every....single....time.....watch the video.

 

[Zow]

I think that it really just has to do with the nature of civil disobedience.   One purpose of a posthumous pardon is to rehabilitate the memory of a dead person.  For example this site lists some people that were wrongfully convicted of murder or another serious crime and were posthumously pardoned.  But Susan B. Anthony's reputation isn't rehabilitated by this pardon.  Her arrest and conviction were a source of pride for her, they are one reason that she's considered an American hero.  So in some sense the pardon is actually removing a positive part of her legacy. 

I think that's the argument at least.  I don't find it very convincing.  The story of her arrest can still be told, the official pardon is just a symbolic admission that the government treated her wrongly.  

But they didn't. She knew the law. She intentionally opted to break the law (albeit for a good reason). I strongly disagree with any perspective that suggests people should openly break bad laws as it weakens the supports in our system. 

I view acts like Susan B. Anthony's as not dissimilar to that Texas lady that was championed for blatantly ignoring a judge's order by opening her place of business. She got ten days. Those days were foreseeable as they fell within the ranges for punishment. They were supported by the deterrence theory of punishment. I strongly disagreed with the public outcry against the ruling in that matter. 

I view Trump's pardon here as nothing other than a publicity stunt. 

 

[lazyike]

I'm sorry for not reading this the first time - so this was it, she was arrested by a US marshal after the fact.

Not sure I see why the pardon was needed, she never paid the fine and what Anthony did was totally illegal at the time. Sounds like it was a point of pride for her, she went out of her way to do it. Great moment in American history, it should stay on the books.

A coin was dedicated in honor of her. Few have had such an honor. Seems kind of silly to pardon someone posthumously who already is considered one of our nations heroes. It would be important if she was remembered mainly for committing a crime. I didn’t know until today that she had. I see it as an effort to try to get a few women votes.

 

[Roy L Fewks]

People here apparently, just can not see how President Trump plays the MSM at every turn.

Three years of trolling the MSM have resulted in major poll deficits in states that Trump won handily in 2016. Does that seem like a very smart strategy to you?