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T-Cho going forward. 3 Headed monster in Dallas next year? (1 Viewer)

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T-Cho seems to be staking a claim for his share of the carries next year.

With Barber, Felix and T-Cho the backfield could get a little crowded. I don`t think they are paying Barber the big $$$ to get a few short yarage and gaol line carries a game. Felix has proven he can be a game breaker and T-Cho looks like he will be a solid NFL RB as well.

Are we looking at a "hot hand" RB situation in Dallas for next season?

 
My buddy from Dallas calls me during the game last night and says.."We have TO, and now we have T-Cho"

Anyway..what about the three headed monster that could be the Cowboy running game next year?

 
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I likely do not speak for all Cowboy fans, but I'd love to see us shop Barber in the off season.

I would be perfectly comfortable with Choice and Jones carrying the load. The problem is Barber's new contract and he likely wouldn't garner a huge return.

 
My baddy from Dallas calls me during the game last night and says.."We have TO, and now we have T-Cho"Anyway..what about the three headed monster that could be the Cowboy running game next year?
A couple of weeks ago, I though MarBar had a good shot at being the top overall pick in fantasy drafts next year. I think the emergence of Choice and Barber breaking down (along with a healthy Westbrook exploding) change that.
 
I'll bite and say that the Cowboys will package TO and TCho for a potential trade to upgrade their secondary and get rid of TO and Pac-Man.

 
I'll bite and say that the Cowboys will package TO and TCho for a potential trade to upgrade their secondary and get rid of TO and Pac-Man.
The only thing Dallas needs in the secondary is a SS. Corners are set with (Newman/Henry/Scandrink/Jenkins). Hamlin is a little over rated but solid as a FS. TO is going nowhere.
 
There's nothing wrong with having three very good backs, it's a situation you aim to get in, not trade out of. Barber should still be the main back and get the goal line love a la Jacobs. Just like Jacobs, in addition to forcing the D to expend more energy tackling him because he's so tough to get down and punishing to weak tackle efforts, Barber gets the whole team fired up when he drags three guys that extra few yards or puts a would be tackler on his back. Barber will have roughly the same value as Jacobs + receiving ability + more durable.

Jones keeps the same LWashington/Norwood role. 10-12 touches, change of pace, deep speed big play threat.

Choice assumes a role that is somewhere between Ward and Bradshaw - some third down work, maybe two minute drills and occasional series, but mainly kept in the garage as Plan B, and continues to get a larger slice of the pie as the season goes on.

I would be very happy to land Barber in the 3rd/4th round next year because fears about Choice cause him to fall.

 
There's nothing wrong with having three very good backs, it's a situation you aim to get in, not trade out of. Barber should still be the main back and get the goal line love a la Jacobs. Just like Jacobs, in addition to forcing the D to expend more energy tackling him because he's so tough to get down and punishing to weak tackle efforts, Barber gets the whole team fired up when he drags three guys that extra few yards or puts a would be tackler on his back. Barber will have roughly the same value as Jacobs + receiving ability + more durable. Jones keeps the same LWashington/Norwood role. 10-12 touches, change of pace, deep speed big play threat.Choice assumes a role that is somewhere between Ward and Bradshaw - some third down work, maybe two minute drills and occasional series, but mainly kept in the garage as Plan B, and continues to get a larger slice of the pie as the season goes on.I would be very happy to land Barber in the 3rd/4th round next year because fears about Choice cause him to fall.
I agree somewhat. I can see T-Cho becoming the JJ of last year. Start the game and get some carries..get Felix in a little bit. Then bring on MBIII in the second half when he is fresh and the defenses are tired.
 
There's nothing wrong with having three very good backs, it's a situation you aim to get in, not trade out of. Barber should still be the main back and get the goal line love a la Jacobs. Just like Jacobs, in addition to forcing the D to expend more energy tackling him because he's so tough to get down and punishing to weak tackle efforts, Barber gets the whole team fired up when he drags three guys that extra few yards or puts a would be tackler on his back. Barber will have roughly the same value as Jacobs + receiving ability + more durable. Jones keeps the same LWashington/Norwood role. 10-12 touches, change of pace, deep speed big play threat.Choice assumes a role that is somewhere between Ward and Bradshaw - some third down work, maybe two minute drills and occasional series, but mainly kept in the garage as Plan B, and continues to get a larger slice of the pie as the season goes on.I would be very happy to land Barber in the 3rd/4th round next year because fears about Choice cause him to fall.
I agree somewhat. I can see T-Cho becoming the JJ of last year. Start the game and get some carries..get Felix in a little bit. Then bring on MBIII in the second half when he is fresh and the defenses are tired.
Did you mean J-Jo, F-Jo and M-Bar, D-Gu?
 
There's nothing wrong with having three very good backs, it's a situation you aim to get in, not trade out of. Barber should still be the main back and get the goal line love a la Jacobs. Just like Jacobs, in addition to forcing the D to expend more energy tackling him because he's so tough to get down and punishing to weak tackle efforts, Barber gets the whole team fired up when he drags three guys that extra few yards or puts a would be tackler on his back. Barber will have roughly the same value as Jacobs + receiving ability + more durable. Jones keeps the same LWashington/Norwood role. 10-12 touches, change of pace, deep speed big play threat.Choice assumes a role that is somewhere between Ward and Bradshaw - some third down work, maybe two minute drills and occasional series, but mainly kept in the garage as Plan B, and continues to get a larger slice of the pie as the season goes on.I would be very happy to land Barber in the 3rd/4th round next year because fears about Choice cause him to fall.
I agree somewhat. I can see T-Cho becoming the JJ of last year. Start the game and get some carries..get Felix in a little bit. Then bring on MBIII in the second half when he is fresh and the defenses are tired.
I dont think he'll get mostly exclusive work between the 20s like JJ did last year, I think he'll just spell MBIII for a series here and there and mix in with Felix to give MBIII the breather here and there. The Cowboys got to see Choice and Jones in training camp, and they liked them enough to draft them. They knew what they had, and they still gave MBIII almost ALL of the touches early this year. It was inevitable that MBIII was going to wear down, when Romo was out they were almost using him like a human shield for Brad Johnson. I would imagine he's done better than anyone would have predicted under the workload he had. After the way Bradshaw performed in the playoffs last year, you would have thought the Giants would surely go to a 3-headed committee, but they were happy to keep him in their back pocket, and I think the Cowboys will probably have a similar approach when MBIII is healthy.
 
Nothing against Barber... I am a huge Cowboys fan and I really like Barber. However, I feel that Felix Jones and Choice show how great a running back should be able to perform in this offense. I think that our offense is better suited towards having a back fast enough to make those cuts, and hit the open field. Jones and Choice both have no problems ripping off long TD runs, or long gains in general. Barber plays physical as hell, and he is a beast on short yardage, but the guy honestly don't have the break away speed needed to be a feature back in this offense. Not that you HAVE to have break away speed, but when you have an offense that can generate two rookie running backs running all over teams whenever they get the ball... and then you have Barber fighting for his life to get 4 yards. I don't think that hits the holes fast enough. Many times, he stops flat as soon as he gets the handoff.

 
Nothing against Barber... I am a huge Cowboys fan and I really like Barber. However, I feel that Felix Jones and Choice show how great a running back should be able to perform in this offense. I think that our offense is better suited towards having a back fast enough to make those cuts, and hit the open field. Jones and Choice both have no problems ripping off long TD runs, or long gains in general. Barber plays physical as hell, and he is a beast on short yardage, but the guy honestly don't have the break away speed needed to be a feature back in this offense. Not that you HAVE to have break away speed, but when you have an offense that can generate two rookie running backs running all over teams whenever they get the ball... and then you have Barber fighting for his life to get 4 yards. I don't think that hits the holes fast enough. Many times, he stops flat as soon as he gets the handoff.
The 3 are compliments. They are better because they have each other. Defences can't key on one stylr of running back when they play the Boys. They need to be tough enough to stop Barber from getting 5-6 hard earned yards, and quick enough to make sure Jones/Choice doens't squeek through a hole for 20. Take away one aspect, and the other loses effectiveness.
 
Regarding the desire to trade Barber, please contact Bill Belichick immediately. We'll offer you Jabar Gaffney, Lamont Jordan and Delta ONeal in return.

The ONLY reason Barber isn't a beast is because of some crappy gameplanning and playcalling on the part of Jason Garrett.

Guy SHOULD BE a top 5 back (and no I don't own him in any leagues).

Edited to add: we'll throw in Laurence Maroney, too. Call now!

 
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My only regret is that I don't have Tashard Choice on any of my fantasy teams, so I could trade him away. There must be at least one hysterical Christmas shopper in my league:

"I must have T-Cho!!!! Name your price!!"

He's had two good games in a row!!!!!!! Trade Barber!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!

 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :goodposting:

Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated!

Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game!

Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.

 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :unsure: Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated! Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game! Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.
me! and i will draft him in the first again next year!
 
T-Cho?This needs to stop.
Nice try but you're a day late and a dollar short at least. This is the NFL - 3d grade is a good comparison LOLAnyway I like the idea of TRom handing off to TCho but MBar is still good, sure he's no BSan, ESmi or even DWill but who is? Plus with guys like JWit and PCra I just don't know how they ever lose. :P
 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :goodposting: Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated! Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game! Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.
Horrible all around posting IMO. I mean come on.
 
I think we're heading toward 3 RB teams.

Giants have it, Boys have it, Ravens have it, Steelers....

 
I think we're heading toward 3 RB teams.Giants have it, Boys have it, Ravens have it, Steelers....
I don't really see teams running 3 RB's on a consistent basis. There's just not enough time, most of these "3 headed monsters" have come because of injuries to the starter and or backup. Many will have no relevance next season, Choice included IMO. As a Giants Fan/Homer... Bradshaw hasn't had many carries this season, there have been many games where he didn't have one at all, with Ward and Jacobs becoming UFA's he might have a bigger role next season considering I highly doubt we keep both. With that being said... Choice, M. Moore, McClain all have nothing to offer next season (like I said, barring injury)My perfect example is Nick Goings... I remember whenever he filled in as the starter he was decent.. he put some numbers up. But when Stephen Davis and Co. became healthy... he fazed back to nowhereland.On Choice... I don't think the Cowboys move him... I think he continues to serve as the #3 back with a slightly increased role. People are forgetting how explosive and efficient Felix Jones was on the few carries he received. No way he gets time over a healthy Felix/Barber. I was thinking the only way he would was on passing downs but considering Felix and Barber both also have great hands.. pretty much puts "T-Cho" on the bench officially.
 
Nothing against Barber... I am a huge Cowboys fan and I really like Barber. However, I feel that Felix Jones and Choice show how great a running back should be able to perform in this offense. I think that our offense is better suited towards having a back fast enough to make those cuts, and hit the open field. Jones and Choice both have no problems ripping off long TD runs, or long gains in general. Barber plays physical as hell, and he is a beast on short yardage, but the guy honestly don't have the break away speed needed to be a feature back in this offense. Not that you HAVE to have break away speed, but when you have an offense that can generate two rookie running backs running all over teams whenever they get the ball... and then you have Barber fighting for his life to get 4 yards. I don't think that hits the holes fast enough. Many times, he stops flat as soon as he gets the handoff.
i think thats the main point when looking at these guys. the Cowboys do not run very well between the tackles unless it's a draw or they take the defense by surprise. this seems to be amplified when Procter is in. he gets manhandled a lot. a quicker back and running outside with pulling guards seems to be the ticket when the Boys wanna run.i also think that toe affects MB quite a lot. he doesnt look himself right now. the nice thing about Choice steppin up, is it allows the Cowboys to lean less on MB. we need both down the stretch.

as for next season with these 2 and Felix, it looks very promising. Felix and Choice are pretty darn fast, and MB is the battering ram. they might even have to coin their own phrase like the other RBBC's.

 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :thumbup: Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated! Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game! Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.
:lmao:
 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :ptts: Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated! Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game! Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.
1) You took Choice in mid-late rounds?2) Does your league only count for the last 4 weeks of the season, since it seems like Choice is an integral part of your team?
 
How many of you are going to win Fatasy league championships that drafted Barber in first round? :hophead: Told you then and telling you now! He's over rated! Choice looks like the better all around back in every phase of the game! Felix is distant memory but seemed to me to be a nice change of pace... 3rd down type. Just keep drafting Barber in first round and I will take choice in mid-late rounds or off waivers or wherever I find him.
Mark me down as another person who drafted MB3 in the 1st and who is playing in the championship game this weekJealous some?
 
I would be very happy to land Barber in the 3rd/4th round next year because fears about Choice cause him to fall.
You think he'll actually drop to the 3rd round? Or 4th?!In the league I have him in, hes currently 12th while missing basically 2 games and playing I believe 4 games with no Romo at QB. A few of the guys ahead of him this year also dont exactly have a track record. And when youre on an offense like DAL, that only makes him more valuable and consistent.Despite Jones and Choice, to a lesser degree, stealing carries, I really doubt he drops out of the 2nd round in almost any draftBut yeah, Id be happy if he dropped further
 
I also drafted Barber in the 1st round and will be playing for the championship. I hope next year he falls to the 3rd or 4th with all the F. Jones hype and I'll be happy to pick him up then.

 
I think we're heading toward 3 RB teams.Giants have it, Boys have it, Ravens have it, Steelers....
I don't really see teams running 3 RB's on a consistent basis. There's just not enough time, most of these "3 headed monsters" have come because of injuries to the starter and or backup. Many will have no relevance next season, Choice included IMO. As a Giants Fan/Homer... Bradshaw hasn't had many carries this season, there have been many games where he didn't have one at all, with Ward and Jacobs becoming UFA's he might have a bigger role next season considering I highly doubt we keep both. With that being said... Choice, M. Moore, McClain all have nothing to offer next season (like I said, barring injury)My perfect example is Nick Goings... I remember whenever he filled in as the starter he was decent.. he put some numbers up. But when Stephen Davis and Co. became healthy... he fazed back to nowhereland.On Choice... I don't think the Cowboys move him... I think he continues to serve as the #3 back with a slightly increased role. People are forgetting how explosive and efficient Felix Jones was on the few carries he received. No way he gets time over a healthy Felix/Barber. I was thinking the only way he would was on passing downs but considering Felix and Barber both also have great hands.. pretty much puts "T-Cho" on the bench officially.
For the most part I agree. In this copycat league, I'm just sorta off on a tangent here.The Giants method of Ward and Jacobs beatingup on a D, then Bradshaw coming in in the 4th Q against a tired D could very well be copied, especially if they win a 2nd Supe. 20 years ago lots of teams had a 3rd down back and IMO(without looking up stats) most teams don't use the 3rd down back the same. I think the number of GL backs is less than it once was too. There's definitely some sort of evolution with how teams use their RBs. Maybe the simplest point is that it is very doable for several teams. For example, another team but not one mentioned above, the Jets could run Jones and Chatman(can't recall contract) and, I'd be quite concerned about Leon in the 4th if so. How about Sproles coming in and getting most of the work in the 4th?One common prob, IMO, is that many teams don't use their small and or superfast back properly and maybe they just don't know how. I mean things do have to be almost perfect for some scat backs to turn the jets on and running some of them in thru the OL is like them running into a wall. Off that tangent-I don't think Choice is that good. I think the OL really was terrific on several plays where he did well. On that long run, he did make a nice little move but that very same move would get him slaughterred most weeks. You don't dance in the backfield, you get out of dodge as fast as you can. I'm just more inclined to give the OL credit than him. He could have walked thru some of those enormous holes. I'm curious and want to see him more though, maybe after a few more games I'll be on the Choice bandwagon.I think McClain and Rice are better than Willis. I disagree on McClain then. I figure being able to make a D worry about the FB and RB on any given play(real concern, not just keep an eye on the FB) can only help that O. Establishing a running game seems to be so key to getting a young QB comfy. Their WRs(esp if Mason retires) and their TEs(depending on health) aren't that good anymore. That O will need another threat in 09. Clayton can get open and he's looked decent at times. I'd be concerned if he was the #1 WR and had to always beat doubleteams. Like the Titans, they can get Ds to focus on the run game and the TE(if Heap is healthy) and then the WRs will do just fine. I'm not sure if that's the case without those other threats.
 
I've been a collector of "T-CHO" in dynasty leagues since he was drafted.

I like what I've seen from him thus far.

The key ? Patience

 
I've been a collector of "T-CHO" in dynasty leagues since he was drafted.I like what I've seen from him thus far.The key ? Patience
D-GUR, imo, you're going to have to wait a while/get lucky (as in, at least one of M-BAR, F-JON would have to be injured/traded and I don't see the former likely in a RBBC) to see if this one pans out. :S-HRU:eta, oops, got carried away. :lmao:
 
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I've been a collector of "T-CHO" in dynasty leagues since he was drafted.I like what I've seen from him thus far.The key ? Patience
D-GUR, imo, you're going to have to wait a while/get lucky (as in, at least one of M-BAR, F-JON would have to be injured/traded and I don't see the former likely in a RBBC) to see if this one pans out. :S-HRU:eta, oops, got carried away. :lmao:
:lmao:Nice work, C-Sou.
 
I've been a collector of "T-CHO" in dynasty leagues since he was drafted.I like what I've seen from him thus far.The key ? Patience
D-GUR, imo, you're going to have to wait a while/get lucky (as in, at least one of M-BAR, F-JON would have to be injured/traded and I don't see the former likely in a RBBC) to see if this one pans out. :S-HRU:eta, oops, got carried away. :lmao:
C-SOUDid you notice my last comment reagding T-CHO ?"Patience"Sincerely,R-MEX.
 
T-Cho?

This needs to stop.
Why does it, k-sho? I'm c to the fuzzled. :popcorn:
"D-Goo" shoulda' known betta' than to call'em T-CHO...But seriously and to the point, this could put Barber in a whole 'nother zip code in a re-draft... not good at all for dynasty owners.

It's that kind of situation, though, where you just have to wait and really see how training camp shakes out...

 
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