Although the board has been undergoing "T.O.verload" as of late, I find this topic to be very worthy of discussion. Thanks, glock!
There are a # of responses I'd like to address:
The star celebration happened what 5/6 years ago? And since when was it a crime to forgive, hell, if you don't won't him celebrating, don't let him score.
To anyone to actually hold a grudge because of the "Star" celebration, really need to grow up. The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 9 years, get upset about that. Everyone in Dallas including their grandmother wanted a WR............you got it..........deal with it and lets play some damn football.
I think Big Tex and I must be from different generations...
While I'd agree that the first order of business for Cowboys fans to be concerned with/upset about is the almost decade long playoff win-drought, the "Star" celebration by T.O. was a most heinous affront. I bleed burgundy and gold, and count myself among the most ardent 'skins fans on this board, and even I was outraged when he performed that classless act. It's tough for me to count among the ranks of true blue Cowboys fans anyone that wasn't deeply offended by that baseless display. George Teague should one day be enshrined in the Ring Of Honor for going after him in retaliation...
In James Clavell's excellent novel "Shogun", I seem to recall a passage that discusses one of the Japanese warriors urinating on one of the captured traders. There was some discussion about how egregious of an assault on one's character that was - that no matter how many times one washed, that the stain would never be cleansed, except by taking the life of the offending party. In my opinion, the "Star" celebration ranks a somewhat distant second. Many of the Cowboys fans I know and respect feel the same way. Without an act of contrition, it's unforgivable.
The way I see it, there are some things you just don't do, for karma's sake. Case in point: the Redskins hiring of former Cowboys O.C. Norv Turner. I don't care if Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick and my beloved Joe Paterno were all on the Cowboys staff and the Redskins had a coaching vacancy - there are some things you just don't do. As proof, I'll offer the road down which that seemingly innocent act took us. It's taken bringing back Joe Gibbs (tantamount to divine intervention) to remove THAT albatross from around our necks...
...for karma to be satisfied, Owens needs to perform some act of absolution in the presence of the fans in order to avoid any karmic fallout. I'd suggest he perform whatever act of contrition as he comes out of the tunnel in the first home game, before the game even begins...
If he does, it should be a 15 yard penalty, like it wasn't the first time he did it. And I'm a Cowboys fan.
Absolutely, the team should be penalized, and rightfully so. Owens act of contrition needs to happen, though. See above.
They would cheer Hitler if he could run a great post pattern.
Please - how the #### is this different from fans of any other team?
That's truly sad, if true. My family has had Redskins season tickets since 1937, and I attended many a Redskins game after Turner came on board, and although my own personal code doesn't allow for booing while being present at a game, no matter how bad things get, I NEVER changed my opinions about Turner, Sanders, Harper, Galbraith, et al. who came on board when the Turner regime began. Couldn't stand 'em as Cowboys, and never warmed up to them as Redskins. Just wasn't in me. I don't understand this line of thought at all.
yea also agree he will run to the middle and kiss it like he just reached the new world. the fans will go crazy and it will be a PR dream for dallas....
sweet.....
While I think he'll do something, I don't think it's in Owens make up to get down on his knees and kiss anything, with the possible exception of the ground he walks on. Because he's being advised by one of the greatest PR minds of all time (see below), I expect him to do something, though.
I'd say he does. Could be one of the great PR moves of all time.
If I were advising him, I'd have him run out to the star, take a knee and set the ball down as if he were placing an offering at the altar.
Then he stands up and points to the crowd.
He'd be the Man.
J
I don't think there is any way he does this. T.O. has proven time after time that he puts himself before the team. He's full of himself and would never kneel, bow, or humble himself to anything else.
T.O. doesn't know how to spell PR.
While you are dead on correct about Owens, you have to take Rosenhaus into consideration. That man is a PR whore, and a spin doctor of the highest degree. I'd count on it that on his advice, Owens does something of the nature ol' Joe has described.
The only reason I don't see him doing it is that he'd get flagged for certain, and I think Tuna and him will have an understanding about not geting flagged for celebrations
Like Rosenhaus, Parcells is no dummy either. I'd bet he lets this one go.
Even better, when he scores in Philly what will he do?
This will not happen no need to worry about it.
Hi Wooderson,
I hate to say it because I have some good friends who are Eagles Guys but I'd be willing to bet T.O.'s biggest games are againt Philadelphia this year.
J
Agree with Joe here, in regards to the potential impact performance of Owens in those games, but I'm of an equal mind that it's even odds that Dawkins and Trotter have every bit as good a chance of knocking him out of the game as well...
The only reason I don't see him doing it is that he'd get flagged for certain, and I think Tuna and him will have an understanding about not geting flagged for celebrations
Hi B-deep.
But if there was ever a PR move worth a flag, that would be it.
It would be the move of the year if he did it right.
J
I agree! I am just not sure Tuna would sign off on it. Youn know he is thinking that TO could do just this, so at some point he'll address it.
My guess is he does something like this in the little star inside the helmet in the end zone.
But I like your way a lot better!
Dead on, J, and I'd bet Jones, Parcells and Rosenhaus fully realize this. Does anyone remember the nutcase D-Lineman who also played for the Bears dragging Jeff George by the collar around on his backside during a Dallas-Redskins game during the Schottenheimer era? Where no Redskins came to his aid? What a slap in the face that was. While that scene is indelibly etched in my mind, I was so outraged, I'll also never forget Jerry Jones coming down out of his box to the sidelines, and walking him off to the locker room with his arm around him, and paying the fine he was asssessed for that act by the NFL. Some things are just worth taking the consequences for. This is one of them.
Even better, when he scores in Philly what will he do?
This will not happen no need to worry about it.
I'm an Eagles fan too, but I agree with Joe - I think these will be his 2 biggest games.
I think he could do the McNabb chest bump (thing he does out of the tunnel) or something to get McNabb like he did Ray Lewis.
Although the next possesion I'd bet the house Trotter or Dawk ends his career.
Again, dead on.
In summary, both Parcells and Rosenhaus are far more aware of the absolute necessity that Owens does something on the field to address this. Rosenhaus from a PR standpoint, and Parcells from a karmic one. Look for Rosenhaus to both advise him to do so, and to play a part in the choreography, and Parcells to deal with it when it comes to the penalty aspect, although if the act of contrition takes place during the pregame introductions as he comes out of the tunnel, I'd imagine that would be a logical way to avoid the penalty...