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T.O. / L.Evans WR COMBO (1 Viewer)

Lee Evans has had decent numbers as a #1 WR in Buffalo. IF Edwards can get it all together this year, where do you rank this WR combo with the addition of T.O.?? Obviously they aren't going to put up Fitz/Bolden numbers because of the climate in Buffalo and the QB/style of offense, but in terms of talent, are they a top 3 WR combo?

 
Im a bills fan and love the owens addition, and i also think evans makes a good no. 2 and descent no. 1, but i don't like their QB situation. Not a big fan of Edwards, however with a descent running game, good Wr's, Edwards may change my opinion a few weeks into the season. (I hope)

As far as rankings, maybe behind Ari, NE, Den, and possibly behind Hou depending on qb performances.

 
Lee Evans has had decent numbers as a #1 WR in Buffalo. IF Edwards can get it all together this year, where do you rank this WR combo with the addition of T.O.?? Obviously they aren't going to put up Fitz/Bolden numbers because of the climate in Buffalo and the QB/style of offense, but in terms of talent, are they a top 3 WR combo?
You did write it in capitals...big key to the whole thing in my opinion. I'm not sure Edwards has the ability to lead TO and that will become a problem.TO is in the twilight of his career and Lee Evans is highly talented but always limited by his QB play and offensive play calling I might...did **** Jauron suddenly implement a vertical passing game into his arsenal?

There are plenty of other combo I might rather have but TO is one of just a handful of WR that can put a hurting on you if you slip just that much.

I think its early, wait till these guys see extra media and paparazzi types hanging around just to try and provoke some words with TO.

 
Its easily one of the top-5 combos in the league. Will they be top-5 production wise? Probably not, but talent wise they are.

 
Lee Evans has had decent numbers as a #1 WR in Buffalo. IF Edwards can get it all together this year, where do you rank this WR combo with the addition of T.O.?? Obviously they aren't going to put up Fitz/Bolden numbers because of the climate in Buffalo and the QB/style of offense, but in terms of talent, are they a top 3 WR combo?
You did write it in capitals...big key to the whole thing in my opinion. I'm not sure Edwards has the ability to lead TO and that will become a problem.TO is in the twilight of his career and Lee Evans is highly talented but always limited by his QB play and offensive play calling I might...did **** Jauron suddenly implement a vertical passing game into his arsenal?

There are plenty of other combo I might rather have but TO is one of just a handful of WR that can put a hurting on you if you slip just that much.

I think its early, wait till these guys see extra media and paparazzi types hanging around just to try and provoke some words with TO.
That's the real issue in all of this. IF the offensive play calling is opened up then I think it could be VERY dangerous. But Buffalo hasn't shown this type of offence since the glory days. This is where I'm actually hoping TO does his thing and convinces Jauron to open up the play calling...and I'm hoping he and the OC actually listen to him.
 
Lee Evans has had decent numbers as a #1 WR in Buffalo. IF Edwards can get it all together this year, where do you rank this WR combo with the addition of T.O.?? Obviously they aren't going to put up Fitz/Bolden numbers because of the climate in Buffalo and the QB/style of offense, but in terms of talent, are they a top 3 WR combo?
You did write it in capitals...big key to the whole thing in my opinion. I'm not sure Edwards has the ability to lead TO and that will become a problem.TO is in the twilight of his career and Lee Evans is highly talented but always limited by his QB play and offensive play calling I might...did **** Jauron suddenly implement a vertical passing game into his arsenal?

There are plenty of other combo I might rather have but TO is one of just a handful of WR that can put a hurting on you if you slip just that much.

I think its early, wait till these guys see extra media and paparazzi types hanging around just to try and provoke some words with TO.
That's the real issue in all of this. IF the offensive play calling is opened up then I think it could be VERY dangerous. But Buffalo hasn't shown this type of offence since the glory days. This is where I'm actually hoping TO does his thing and convinces Jauron to open up the play calling...and I'm hoping he and the OC actually listen to him.
If the coaching staff doesn't listen to the siren call of the vertical passing game the next sound they hear will be NEXT as they advance their way through the unemployment line.
 
Can no one else see that Buffalo may have stacked the running game in '08' due to the lack of experience at QB?

Not many young QB's are trusted to carry the load for there teams....

I see Buffalo opening it up some this year.

Now as far as the WR combo goes.. This situation kinda reminds me of the Steve Smith/Keshawn Johnson pair up a few years ago. That wasn't a dynamic duo, but it certainly helped Steve Smith take a step up.

Upgrade Lee Evans, Downgrade TO....

 
Aren't these guys the same type of reciever? Will TO go over the middle? Will Evans role change to accomodate an overated TO? There are to may question for me to get excited about this duo.

 
Aren't these guys the same type of reciever? Will TO go over the middle? Will Evans role change to accomodate an overated TO? There are to may question for me to get excited about this duo.
:X TO is one of the best WRs in the league at going over the middle. Not sure where you're coming from on that one. He's pretty much made his living taking slants over the middle.
 
In no particular order...

I'd rank all of these tandems higher.

Fitz/Boldin

Moss/Welker

AJ/Walter

Holmes/Ward

CJ/Coles

Wayne/Gonzo-2

Marshall/Royal

 
KellysHeroes said:
travdogg said:
Its easily one of the top-5 combos in the league. Will they be top-5 production wise? Probably not, but talent wise they are.
will easily lead the league in drops
:shrug: Owens will be 36 in mid-season and is on the downside, Evans is Evans, he will catch 4-5 bombs a year that inflate his true value.The last two year Owens route running has been terrible and he just does not catch the ball like he used to, plus the fact that he was taking plays off when passes were not coming his way did not help.I am not sure Edwards will hold up to Owens antics and tantrums as well.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Phurfur said:
Aren't these guys the same type of reciever? Will TO go over the middle? Will Evans role change to accomodate an overated TO? There are to may question for me to get excited about this duo.
:confused: TO is one of the best WRs in the league at going over the middle. Not sure where you're coming from on that one. He's pretty much made his living taking slants over the middle.
:lol: Right!Edit: Remember, it is 2009.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Phurfur said:
Aren't these guys the same type of reciever? Will TO go over the middle? Will Evans role change to accomodate an overated TO? There are to may question for me to get excited about this duo.
:confused: TO is one of the best WRs in the league at going over the middle. Not sure where you're coming from on that one. He's pretty much made his living taking slants over the middle.
:lol: Right!Edit: Remember, it is 2009.
:lol:
 
KellysHeroes said:
travdogg said:
Its easily one of the top-5 combos in the league. Will they be top-5 production wise? Probably not, but talent wise they are.
will easily lead the league in drops
:goodposting: Owens will be 36 in mid-season and is on the downside, Evans is Evans, he will catch 4-5 bombs a year that inflate his true value.The last two year Owens route running has been terrible and he just does not catch the ball like he used to, plus the fact that he was taking plays off when passes were not coming his way did not help.

I am not sure Edwards will hold up to Owens antics and tantrums as well.
TO's problem is that he never developed the "craft" of being a WR. He relied on his physical strength and speed to get open and achieve YAC.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Phurfur said:
Aren't these guys the same type of reciever? Will TO go over the middle? Will Evans role change to accomodate an overated TO? There are to may question for me to get excited about this duo.
:banned: TO is one of the best WRs in the league at going over the middle. Not sure where you're coming from on that one. He's pretty much made his living taking slants over the middle.
:lol: Right!Edit: Remember, it is 2009.
:)
Sorry but this is the first time I have heard this. I am not talking about going over the middle 15+yards deep. I am talking about going over the middle like Wes Welker, Boldin, Driver and many more that are better than TO at this. I am talking about a possession receiver, TO is not a poccession WR! HTH
 
In no particular order... I'd rank all of these tandems higher. Fitz/BoldinMoss/WelkerAJ/WalterHolmes/WardCJ/ColesWayne/Gonzo-2Marshall/Royal
Fitz/Boldin aGREEMoss/Welker No. I would take Evans over Welker any day; what they DO have is a better QB.AJ/Walter AJ, yes; Walter No; Combo? For this year I'll take TO and EvansHolmes/Ward No. Holmes is overrated based on SB and Ward is getting old.CJ/Coles For this year, yes.Wayne/Gonzo-2 No. Gonzo is way overrated.Marshall/Royal Maybe. Long term yes; this year? No.So, I would concede that Fitz and Boldin are by far the best combo (IF Boldin stays...) and that CJ and Coles maybe better. Evans and To are top three.
 
i must be missing something, why is Lee Evans so beloved and Ted Ginn JR so hated on these boards? besides that fact that i think Lee is overrated, the bills offense/QB can't support 2 good WR's. the TJ/Ocho combo was much better and they didn't produce with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

 
i must be missing something, why is Lee Evans so beloved and Ted Ginn JR so hated on these boards? besides that fact that i think Lee is overrated, the bills offense/QB can't support 2 good WR's. the TJ/Ocho combo was much better and they didn't produce with Fitzpatrick at the helm.
What Ted Ginn stats are you looking at that put him in the same league with Evans?
 
i must be missing something, why is Lee Evans so beloved and Ted Ginn JR so hated on these boards? besides that fact that i think Lee is overrated, the bills offense/QB can't support 2 good WR's. the TJ/Ocho combo was much better and they didn't produce with Fitzpatrick at the helm.
What Ted Ginn stats are you looking at that put him in the same league with Evans?
well his(Ginn) 2nd year stats are nearly identical to Evans. Evans/Ginn Stats aren't terribly different this year. Evans 1 good year was 3years ago and once put together with the rest of his career stats looks more like a fluke. they are both 1trick ponies, both have mediocre QB's. Lee however has a QB with a strong arm to push the ball downfield,Ginn has a a guy with the arm strength of a 12yr old girl tryin to throw deep to him.
 
For only this upcoming season I can see Evans and TO being dynamic. TO will probably have a great season, get re-signed then blow up and pull his shiot again and get cut. But 2009 could be big for this duo.

 
Can no one else see that Buffalo may have stacked the running game in '08' due to the lack of experience at QB?Not many young QB's are trusted to carry the load for there teams....I see Buffalo opening it up some this year. Now as far as the WR combo goes.. This situation kinda reminds me of the Steve Smith/Keshawn Johnson pair up a few years ago. That wasn't a dynamic duo, but it certainly helped Steve Smith take a step up.Upgrade Lee Evans, Downgrade TO....
Keshawn is no TO....TO has 9 1,000 plus yard season Keshawn has 4...TO has 8 seasons with 10 plus TD's Keshawn has one.....but then again Evans is no Steve Smith either
 
i must be missing something, why is Lee Evans so beloved and Ted Ginn JR so hated on these boards? besides that fact that i think Lee is overrated, the bills offense/QB can't support 2 good WR's. the TJ/Ocho combo was much better and they didn't produce with Fitzpatrick at the helm.
What Ted Ginn stats are you looking at that put him in the same league with Evans?
well his(Ginn) 2nd year stats are nearly identical to Evans. Evans/Ginn Stats aren't terribly different this year. Evans 1 good year was 3years ago and once put together with the rest of his career stats looks more like a fluke. they are both 1trick ponies, both have mediocre QB's. Lee however has a QB with a strong arm to push the ball downfield,Ginn has a a guy with the arm strength of a 12yr old girl tryin to throw deep to him.
You REALLY overstate the similarity of Ginn and Evans and the numbers do NOT support your claim. Let me preface this by saying that I like Ginn and think he may become a good NFL player, but he has not shown close to what Evans has shown.1) As rookies, Evans had TWICE as many yards and 9 TDs to 2 TDs. That's not even close.

2) Career YPC: In five years and almost 300 receptions (large sample size) Evans has a very healthy 16 ypc; Ginn has a pretty average 13.4. When you consider that Ginn is supposed to be a speedster, deep threat, 13.4 is not that great.

3) TD/catch ratio (an indication of how often the WR gets in the EZ, which is good for real football as well as fantasy). Ginn = 4% while Evans = 11%. Again, more than double.

4) Evans has had a top 10 year; his third year. Ginn has not done that yet. He might; but he hasn't proven that he can be a top 10 or even top 20 WR yet.

 
I think the offseason rest will help Edwards. He was fine as a rookie, and played very well for the first five games last season. Then he sustained a concussion against Arizona and was never the same in the pocket. In hindsight, I don't think he became a deer in headlights as much as suffered lingering effects of the concussion and played anyway.

If Edwards gets back on track, I see Evans hauling in 60-70 receptions with a 16.0+ average and 9 TDs, 8 of them 20+ yards.

Owens becomes a Wes Welker type. He may be a physical freak, but he is 35 years old and every other receiver in the 96' draft class has either retired or been put to pasture. He's still a great threat, but I think he becomes more of a possession guy and redzone threat - what the Bills wanted of James Hardy and Josh Reed for years now. Combine that with Buffalo having no serviceable TE to steal endzone catches, and Owens' penchant for complaining for the ball, I see Owens hauling in 90-100+ receptions this year for a small 10-11 yard average, but 12 TDs.

Evans = 60 recs, 16.0+ average, 8-9 TDs

Owens = 90-100 recs, 10-11 average, 12 TDs.

I know it sounds optimistic, but barring injury no other Bills receiver gets more than 2 TDs.

 

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