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Taliban kill 126 in a Pakistan school. Mostly children (1 Viewer)

The Pakistani government has been playing a duplicitous game for a long time. They pretend to work with us on going after terrorists while at the same time hiding and coddling many of them. There was no way that high level military guys didn't know where bin Laden was for instance.

This is horrific and the Islamic monsters that did this hold the vast amount of responsibility, but the government holds some as well for the dangerous game they've been playing. Now they know that you can't befriend a viper.
Yet it seems the Taliban was targeting military leaders by hitting this school. Seems odd, if the military were supporting the taliban.
There are some that speculate this was in retaliation for the June offensive the Pak's launched against the Taliban
I thought http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=722780 was the June Offensive.
:lmao:

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?

 
The Pakistani government has been playing a duplicitous game for a long time. They pretend to work with us on going after terrorists while at the same time hiding and coddling many of them. There was no way that high level military guys didn't know where bin Laden was for instance.

This is horrific and the Islamic monsters that did this hold the vast amount of responsibility, but the government holds some as well for the dangerous game they've been playing. Now they know that you can't befriend a viper.
Yet it seems the Taliban was targeting military leaders by hitting this school. Seems odd, if the military were supporting the taliban.
There are some that speculate this was in retaliation for the June offensive the Pak's launched against the Taliban
I thought http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=722780 was the June Offensive.
:lmao:
:X :lmao:

 
Todem said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Todem said:
They need to be exterminated.
Don't torture them for info though.
You do realize that the info typically gained from torture isn't really reliable, right?
They found Osama Bin Laden didn't they? Took a while. But it came to fruition.

No sympathy for known terrorists or supporters/enablers of terrorists. None what so ever.
You do know that wasn't from torture, yes?

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?

 
The concept of mutually-assured-destruction relies on the concept that if you try to kill me and mine, I am going to try to kill you and yours. There is no distinction drawn between civilian or military targets. Death is death. We believe in that concept - the general public would expect us to hit back at any nation that hit at us - damn the consequences or civilian casualties.
Who is "we?" I don't believe in that concept at all. Do you?

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
INFIDELS !!!!

 
The concept of mutually-assured-destruction relies on the concept that if you try to kill me and mine, I am going to try to kill you and yours. There is no distinction drawn between civilian or military targets. Death is death. We believe in that concept - the general public would expect us to hit back at any nation that hit at us - damn the consequences or civilian casualties.

This same concept is in play - assuming the Taliban believe that the Pakistani military deliberately targeted civilians, even in a war effort.
Mutually Assured Destruction refers to the nuclear detente created by the ability of both sides in the cold war to annihilate the human race, even after a surprise attack.What you are refering to is an eye for an eye. A bronze age, or older, concept
mutually assured destruction is an eye-for-an-eye - in the nuclear age.
With nuclear weapons. That's the difference
ok :shrug: The concept does not change just because you change the weapon/method. you fire one at me, I will fire one at you.
When me and you are both the entire human race it does
The concept is the same - the scale is different.
The concept is the scale

 
The concept of mutually-assured-destruction relies on the concept that if you try to kill me and mine, I am going to try to kill you and yours. There is no distinction drawn between civilian or military targets. Death is death. We believe in that concept - the general public would expect us to hit back at any nation that hit at us - damn the consequences or civilian casualties.

This same concept is in play - assuming the Taliban believe that the Pakistani military deliberately targeted civilians, even in a war effort.
Mutually Assured Destruction refers to the nuclear detente created by the ability of both sides in the cold war to annihilate the human race, even after a surprise attack.What you are refering to is an eye for an eye. A bronze age, or older, concept
mutually assured destruction is an eye-for-an-eye - in the nuclear age.
With nuclear weapons. That's the difference
ok :shrug: The concept does not change just because you change the weapon/method. you fire one at me, I will fire one at you.
When me and you are both the entire human race it does
The concept is the same - the scale is different.
The concept is the scale
I don't think you understand how this works. The concept is that you will retaliate in kind. If you poke my eye out, you are going to lose an eye. You lob a nuke at my country, we are going to lob a nuke at your country. Same concept - different scale.

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?
You'd know. Was He this way growing up as well?

 
The concept of mutually-assured-destruction relies on the concept that if you try to kill me and mine, I am going to try to kill you and yours. There is no distinction drawn between civilian or military targets. Death is death. We believe in that concept - the general public would expect us to hit back at any nation that hit at us - damn the consequences or civilian casualties.

This same concept is in play - assuming the Taliban believe that the Pakistani military deliberately targeted civilians, even in a war effort.
Mutually Assured Destruction refers to the nuclear detente created by the ability of both sides in the cold war to annihilate the human race, even after a surprise attack.What you are refering to is an eye for an eye. A bronze age, or older, concept
mutually assured destruction is an eye-for-an-eye - in the nuclear age.
With nuclear weapons. That's the difference
ok :shrug: The concept does not change just because you change the weapon/method. you fire one at me, I will fire one at you.
When me and you are both the entire human race it does
The concept is the same - the scale is different.
The concept is the scale
I don't think you understand how this works. The concept is that you will retaliate in kind. If you poke my eye out, you are going to lose an eye. You lob a nuke at my country, we are going to lob a nuke at your country. Same concept - different scale.
I understand eye for an eye just fine.

Mutually Assured Destruction is different, it's 'if I press this button I will annihilate the human race - let me think about that some more".

Sorry you cannot see the diffence and are using the term incorrectly

 
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... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?
You'd know. Was He this way growing up as well?
short-sheeting his bed and giving wedgies were some of the earliest Acts of God

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?
You'd know. Was He this way growing up as well?
short-sheeting his bed and giving wedgies were some of the earliest Acts of God
Lies about God thread?

 
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?
You'd know. Was He this way growing up as well?
short-sheeting his bed and giving wedgies were some of the earliest Acts of God
well he DOES work in mysterious ways

 
" 'God is great,' " the militants shouted as they roared through the hallways, Ahmed said.

They sought out terrified children.

" 'A lot of the children are under the benches,' " a Pakistan Taliban member said, according to Ahmed. " 'Kill them.' "

Where are the guys that don't consider these animals cowards.?

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.

 
Nobody should really care about planting a flag on the definition of "coward" in this context. If someone wants to call these guys "cowards" instead of "insane ###holes" or "the lowest form of life on the planet" or "scum-sucking pig ####ers" I don't really think it's worth arguing over.

 
As an amateur theologian I have to chime in here.

1. God does not command us like puppets and his will is not always done on earth

2. Don't judge God based on the acts of men, no matter why they say they do what they do

3. What we think matters and what God thinks matters are not the same thing

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
Perhaps he's referring to them as cowards for hunting down defenseless children in a school.

Perhaps.

 
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coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1. a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2. the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure: admiration .
3. an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
Nope coward will do:

cowardly
[kou-erd-lee]
adjective 1. lacking courage; contemptibly timid.
2. characteristic of or befitting a coward; despicably mean, covert, or unprincipled: a cowardly attack on a weak, defenseless man.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.

 
beer 30 said:
Godsbrother said:
Sinn Fein said:
Godsbrother said:
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
Doctor Detroit said:
... can't imagine the depravity of those who did this for some political gain (and it was certainly more political/power play than religious). ...
The problem is when religion and politics are all mumble jumbled into a mess that completely corrupts both.
Anyone that says they are killing for God are either lying or are idiots. God should be able to handle the job himself and really if he wanted someone dead then why did he even create them in the first place?
Since everyone dies, God either wants everyone dead, or did not create them in the first place?
God is a wacky guy isn't he?
You'd know. Was He this way growing up as well?
Yeah. He was always Mom's favorite though ;)

 
As an amateur theologian I have to chime in here.

1. God does not command us like puppets and his will is not always done on earth

2. Don't judge God based on the acts of men, no matter why they say they do what they do

3. What we think matters and what God thinks matters are not the same thing
As an amateur Pastafarian, I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster wants you to eat pasta tonight. If you instead have a hamburger, please don't judge His Noodleyness.
 
Half the crap that gets posted in here isn't worth arguing over. And, that's being generous.
that's a bunch of BS
No it isn't.
of course it is
That's not argument, it's just contradiction.
contradiction
[kon-truh-dik-shuh n] /ˌkɒn trəˈdɪk ʃən/ SpellSyllables
noun 1. the act of contradicting; gainsaying or opposition.
2. assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.
3. a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.
4. direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency.
5. a contradictory act, fact, etc.

 
Half the crap that gets posted in here isn't worth arguing over. And, that's being generous.
that's a bunch of BS
No it isn't.
of course it is
That's not argument, it's just contradiction.
contradiction
[kon-truh-dik-shuh n] /ˌkɒn trəˈdɪk ʃən/ SpellSyllables
noun1.the act of contradicting; gainsaying or opposition.
2.assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.
3.a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.
4.direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency.
5.a contradictory act, fact, etc.
I paid for an argument.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.
Mr. Mansack to you

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.
I appreciate the recognition, 2 inches deep.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.
I appreciate the recognition, 2 inches deep.
:lol: Two very angry inches.

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.
I appreciate the recognition, 2 inches deep.
:lol: Two very angry inches.
Could be a new sitcom name.

 
I took several hours away from this thread because last night several people insisted that my presence was ruining it and that if I left some serous conversation could take place which I was preventing with my presence.

No offense to anyone here that has posted since this morning, but I'm not all that impressed with the serious conversation.

 
I took several hours away from this thread because last night several people insisted that my presence was ruining it and that if I left some serous conversation could take place which I was preventing with my presence.

No offense to anyone here that has posted since this morning, but I'm not all that impressed with the serious conversation.
We purposely lightened the mood.

 
-fish- said:
timschochet said:
-fish- said:
Doctor Detroit said:
timschochet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
timschochet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
timschochet said:
Can somebody explain to me how some of the people posting in this thread saying they understand or want to try and understand how a people can kill innocent children in school (even implying they are brave) are the same people posting in other threads condemning our interrogation tactics.
Sure.

I think the two are separate issues. I condemn what the Taliban did. I also condemn what our government did (though I am NOT equating the two- the acts of torture we committed were awful, but not nearly AS awful as what the Taliban did. So please don't misinterpret me here.)

At the same time I try to understand why the Taliban did what they did, and I try to understand why our government did what they did. You seem to believe that attempts to understand imply forgiveness. I strongly disagree with you. I want to understand so that we can try to prevent it.
I would ask for some sort of translation, but I'm sure Jonessed or Strikes2k will be here any second to get to the bottom of this.
I didn't think I was being that confusing. Understanding something does not imply moral acceptance. I can try to understand something but still regard it as evil.
Would be nice if you'd take your trail of tears and stalkers with you sometimes and let a thread breathe.

But that might be asking a lot I suppose. Carry on.
I just starting posting again in this thread after several hours.
My post is now the 14th consecutive post that has you, someone responding to you, or someone talking about you.

It's a trend, a bad one. I like you and all, but nothing is getting by the Tim moat for hours or days at a time in some threads. Just sayin. :shrug:
problem is there are intelligent people that just won't engage anymore. I'm interested in this topic. I'm also pretty close to some special forces guys that have been on both sides of torture, as well as fighting the Taliban. I've talked to them about this today and I thought what they had to say was interesting, but I click here and remember it's pointless to wade into these threads anymore. I gave up years ago. so did many other good, thoughtful people.
So this is my fault? Do a lot of you really believe this- that my presence is preventing thoughtful debate?
yes. absolutely. you're the worst thing that ever happened to this board. there's a reason that a large contingent of the best posters on this board have withdrawn to a single thread.
This is so utterly douchey. I remember making fun of you for not being able to swim in anything but chummy waters. What makes such a tough lawyer and former Vegas line setter turn into such a skirt steak?

 
I took several hours away from this thread because last night several people insisted that my presence was ruining it and that if I left some serous conversation could take place which I was preventing with my presence.

No offense to anyone here that has posted since this morning, but I'm not all that impressed with the serious conversation.
some of us missed you

 
coward |ˈkou-ərd| noun

a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

Pretty sure these guys undertook a task that was both dangerous - they all ended up dead, and unpleasant.

Perhaps you are looking for a different word.
admiration

noun1.a feeling of wonder, pleasure, or approval.
2.the act of looking on or contemplating with pleasure:admiration .
3.an object of wonder, pleasure, or approval:



What Sinn Fein appears to have for these animalistic child killers.
Really? You gathered that from his comment? You need some help. At the very least with reading comprehension.
No Harry from his numerous comments and yes I am being a bit facetious. Sorry if I offended you or your little friend.
I accept your apology, even if it is from a feeble mind.
That is awful big of you Harry Mansack.
I appreciate the recognition, 2 inches deep.
after going 2 inches deep its all mansack

 
As an American, from a strategic perspective, I can't help but think this will work against the Taliban. You do this to an American school and you will raise the ire of the whole country, resulting in a call to wipe the Taliban out. But I'm not sure it will have the same effect on the Pakistanis as they have historically been hit by aggressive attacks. Will it sap the fight out of the Pakistani military/gov't or will it result in a major push against the Taliban?
It could be a major blunder, this might seriously turn the Pakistani public against the Taliban. The problem is the northwest provinces are their own thing, several regions there support the Taliban and it's like a whole other country within the country.
Yep, their concept of "country" is a lot looser and less binding on them than it is here.

 

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