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Your lack of bias withstanding I'm sure.Johnson is lucky to not be suspended the entire year which I would not disagree with.I think it should've been about 4 games due to the fact that he served a 1 game suspension last season with the Bears and already served his time in jail.
I am not biased towards Tank Johnson, he has underachieved in his career and I believe he wouldn't have started this next season anyways. However, I think it is sort of double jeopardy, due to his previous punishments.Your lack of bias withstanding I'm sure.Johnson is lucky to not be suspended the entire year which I would not disagree with.I think it should've been about 4 games due to the fact that he served a 1 game suspension last season with the Bears and already served his time in jail.
He is now my all-time favorite commish! :XMy man-crush on Roger Goodell grows larger.![]()
I'm with you on this.So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.
Didn't Pacman take his punishment like a man until he didn't take it like a man?Southside Stosh said:The suspension is fair and Tank is taking it like a man. Good to see Goodell laying the smack-down on these guys that can't seem to stay out of trouble.
Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Tank's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Pacman? :(waylander said:I'm with you on this.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.
Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.
Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Pacman's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Tank?Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.
Because Pacman's lawyers are working on a lawsuit showing how inconsistent Goodell is being at times...Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Pacman's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Tank?Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.![]()
I'd love to see you explain how that's going to work. It's not like Pacman and Tank did exactly the same thing and Goodell suspended one for twice the amount of time as the other. The infractions were not similar in any manner or form. How do you make a comparison between the two and suggest that one should be determined in light of the other?Because Pacman's lawyers are working on a lawsuit showing how inconsistent Goodell is being at times...Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Pacman's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Tank?Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.![]()
I believe that Tank was in trouble once before and that's why he went to jail. The guns violated his probation. That's just off the top of my head though and could be wrong.And I believe that PacMan is actually up to 11 times in trouble. And, IMO, one of the things that he REALLY got into trouble for was covering up his one arrest. The NFL's behavior policy requires players to immediately inform the team and league when they get into trouble with the law. Jones covered up his one arrest for many months and it only came out when some reporter dug it up. The Titans' fans in here are killing me.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.
I believe that Tank was in trouble once before and that's why he went to jail. The guns violated his probation. That's just off the top of my head though and could be wrong.And I believe that PacMan is actually up to 11 times in trouble. And, IMO, one of the things that he REALLY got into trouble for was covering up his one arrest. The NFL's behavior policy requires players to immediately inform the team and league when they get into trouble with the law. Jones covered up his one arrest for many months and it only came out when some reporter dug it up. The Titans' fans in here are killing me.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.![]()
No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.
A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
Better and worse are subjective terms. On the basis of who has harmed the NFLs public image more, Pacman and CHenry are first because they have become household names, but not for playing football.THAT is the definition of image damage by association.seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
shame isnt it?Someone who has been convicted of crimes gives a better image than someone who hasnt been conviceted of anything.Better and worse are subjective terms. On the basis of who has harmed the NFLs public image more, Pacman and CHenry are first because they have become household names, but not for playing football.THAT is the definition of image damage by association.seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
The Bears organization suspended him for a game last year. The league didn't suspend him for any.I think it should've been about 4 games due to the fact that he served a 1 game suspension last season with the Bears and already served his time in jail.
I may be mistaken, but isn't one man paralyzed for life because of Pacman's actions?seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
Im not one of his lawyers...but have heard them talk several times. If Goodell denies the suspension they have a list of suspensions and punishments and are intent on showing the inconsistencies of how Goodell hands down suspensions.The comparison will come in that Tank was actually convicted of a crime...and had mulitple "incidents" and run ins with the law. Pacman has had multiple incidents...but no convictions. Again...the comparisons will be made as to a number of punishments and incidents where people were not even suspended.I'd love to see you explain how that's going to work. It's not like Pacman and Tank did exactly the same thing and Goodell suspended one for twice the amount of time as the other. The infractions were not similar in any manner or form. How do you make a comparison between the two and suggest that one should be determined in light of the other?Because Pacman's lawyers are working on a lawsuit showing how inconsistent Goodell is being at times...Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Pacman's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Tank?Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.Weapon of Mass Instruction said:So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.![]()
The NFLPA's letter to the commish last week has to do with the reporting of the Georgia thing as well...something about it not being resolved yet and that making it not as big of an issue that it was not reported. I will pull the article again.Though, as a quasi-fan of the Titans due to where I live...I still agree with Pacman's suspension...Im just stating what his lawyers have been talking about to the media as far as what they will be looking to do if the appeal does not reduce his suspension.I believe that Tank was in trouble once before and that's why he went to jail. The guns violated his probation. That's just off the top of my head though and could be wrong.And I believe that PacMan is actually up to 11 times in trouble. And, IMO, one of the things that he REALLY got into trouble for was covering up his one arrest. The NFL's behavior policy requires players to immediately inform the team and league when they get into trouble with the law. Jones covered up his one arrest for many months and it only came out when some reporter dug it up. The Titans' fans in here are killing me.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.![]()
If it were not for the arrest and now suspension...who would have heard of Tank Johnson?Better and worse are subjective terms. On the basis of who has harmed the NFLs public image more, Pacman and CHenry are first because they have become household names, but not for playing football.THAT is the definition of image damage by association.seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
Didn't Tank Johnson's bodyguard get shot and killed last year after Johnson was arrested for having an armory in his home?I may be mistaken, but isn't one man paralyzed for life because of Pacman's actions?seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
"indirectly" as far as we know at this point. Pacman was not the gunman...nor do the police have any evidence connecting him to the man who pulled the trigger (as per their last statements a few months ago).Though, he did start the incident that ended up in the shooting...that much is not really disputed at this point.I may be mistaken, but isn't one man paralyzed for life because of Pacman's actions?seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
That doesn't bother me as much as Goodell sentencing players on their past regressions. Its like a kid in school being punished by the new prinicpal for something that he did last year. Or like a cop giving you a ticket for speeding last week, even though the last cop let you off. There has to be a statute of limitations. How far back should Goodell be able to go? Should he be able to suspend TO? He should have given everyone a clean slate and only start giving out punishments for actions that happend since he started his office. I believe PacMan would ave qualified anywayThese are truely some massive suspensions Goodell is handing out. Atleast with this one it came after legal proceedings had concluded and not before. Though I still dont like that he's the judge and the only source of appeal.
I can't say it was a related issue. That happened in a nightclub and I don't know any of the circumstances. We don't know if he was killed due to any of Tank's actions. He was present, yes, but we don't know if Tank provoled the indcident himself.Didn't Tank Johnson's bodyguard get shot and killed last year after Johnson was arrested for having an armory in his home?I may be mistaken, but isn't one man paralyzed for life because of Pacman's actions?seriously, its laughable that people think Pacman has done worse than CHenry or TJohnson. Un f'n believable.No Tank has also had multiple transgressions.Punk-man has the bigger suspension because he KEEPS getting in trouble. I think he was arrested or charged something like 9 times in his short NFL carreer. Tank got 8 games because of the severity on his ONE transgression.A guy serving time in jail is much worse for the image of the league then a guy who gets arrested.Guys, it really doesn't matter whether Pacman was arrested and convicted or not.There is an image the nfl is trying to protect. A brand name. The nfl makes it very clear what they expect from nfl players. Players get big handbooks to keep on what is expected of them, publically and otherwise.
Umm...Tank's issues happened this year...as did PacMans...and Henrys.Pacman was suspended under a 2006 rule...not this new 2007 rule (and the others probably were as well). I got that from exerpts of the letter the NFLPA sent to the commish in support of pacman's appeal.That doesn't bother me as much as Goodell sentencing players on their past regressions. Its like a kid in school being punished by the new prinicpal for something that he did last year. Or like a cop giving you a ticket for speeding last week, even though the last cop let you off. There has to be a statute of limitations. How far back should Goodell be able to go? Should he be able to suspend TO? He should have given everyone a clean slate and only start giving out punishments for actions that happend since he started his office. I believe PacMan would ave qualified anywayThese are truely some massive suspensions Goodell is handing out. Atleast with this one it came after legal proceedings had concluded and not before. Though I still dont like that he's the judge and the only source of appeal.By the way, I am not defending their actions nor am I against their suspensions, its just that it doesn't seem quite fair.
I don't think most people are grasping this concept.Better and worse are subjective terms.
Im not one of his lawyers...but have heard them talk several times. If Goodell denies the suspension they have a list of suspensions and punishments and are intent on showing the inconsistencies of how Goodell hands down suspensions.The comparison will come in that Tank was actually convicted of a crime...and had mulitple "incidents" and run ins with the law. Pacman has had multiple incidents...but no convictions. Again...the comparisons will be made as to a number of punishments and incidents where people were not even suspended.I'd love to see you explain how that's going to work. It's not like Pacman and Tank did exactly the same thing and Goodell suspended one for twice the amount of time as the other. The infractions were not similar in any manner or form. How do you make a comparison between the two and suggest that one should be determined in light of the other?Because Pacman's lawyers are working on a lawsuit showing how inconsistent Goodell is being at times...Why would Goodell suspend Pacman for a season and then suspend Tank for eight games only to reduce Pacman's suspension in light of the length of time he suspended Tank?Pacman has a very good case for not being suspended the entire year in light of this. If he doesn't get his suspension reduced I will be very shocked.So, Tank gets jailtime for supplying an armory. Pacman is convicted of nothing being being an idiot. Pacman gets 2x the punishment?I say Pac gets his suspension reduced in light of this.![]()
I am well aware, however it is still a punishment that he served.The Bears organization suspended him for a game last year. The league didn't suspend him for any.I think it should've been about 4 games due to the fact that he served a 1 game suspension last season with the Bears and already served his time in jail.
Sure, he 'HAS NEVER" been convicted, but that's only because he accepted probation on two of the arrests. BTW, he violated one of those probations.With this I am sold that Pacman will have his suspension reduced or the league will be paying some $$ to him. How can you have a guy that was convicted and served time for multiple incidents and he only get 8 games max. And have a guy that 'HAS NEVER" been convicted although he has been in the eye of the police get a season?
He possibly violated them...that has really yet to be seen how much it was violated (which is why he is still free and on he streets and not in jail).Its been how long since the Vegas incident and where are the charges against him?I said then that many took the words of the club owner who was not even there as the full on facts...and alot of what he had to say has proven simply to not be true.Sure, he 'HAS NEVER" been convicted, but that's only because he accepted probation on two of the arrests. BTW, he violated one of those probations.With this I am sold that Pacman will have his suspension reduced or the league will be paying some $$ to him. How can you have a guy that was convicted and served time for multiple incidents and he only get 8 games max. And have a guy that 'HAS NEVER" been convicted although he has been in the eye of the police get a season?
No. He violated probation in 2005. The judge extended the probation period because of the violation.He possibly violated them...that has really yet to be seen how much it was violated (which is why he is still free and on he streets and not in jail).Its been how long since the Vegas incident and where are the charges against him?I said then that many took the words of the club owner who was not even there as the full on facts...and alot of what he had to say has proven simply to not be true.Sure, he 'HAS NEVER" been convicted, but that's only because he accepted probation on two of the arrests. BTW, he violated one of those probations.With this I am sold that Pacman will have his suspension reduced or the league will be paying some $$ to him. How can you have a guy that was convicted and served time for multiple incidents and he only get 8 games max. And have a guy that 'HAS NEVER" been convicted although he has been in the eye of the police get a season?
Umm...Tank's issues happened this year...as did PacMans...and Henrys.
Pacman was suspended under a 2006 rule...not this new 2007 rule (and the others probably were as well). I got that from exerpts of the letter the NFLPA sent to the commish in support of pacman's appeal.
Per Wikipedia:Last December, police raided the 300-pound defensive tackle's suburban Chicago home and found six unregistered firearms - a violation of his probation on an earlier gun charge.
That charge stemmed from Johnson's 2005 arrest after a Chicago nightclub valet reported seeing Johnson with a handgun in his SUV. He subsequently pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge.
In April 2007, following a year in which players' problems off the field were at an all-time high, Goodell announced a new NFL Personal Conduct Policy.
Yes...and your point?Does any of that say what rule Tank was suspended under?Umm...Tank's issues happened this year...as did PacMans...and Henrys.
Pacman was suspended under a 2006 rule...not this new 2007 rule (and the others probably were as well). I got that from exerpts of the letter the NFLPA sent to the commish in support of pacman's appeal.Per Wikipedia:Last December, police raided the 300-pound defensive tackle's suburban Chicago home and found six unregistered firearms - a violation of his probation on an earlier gun charge.
That charge stemmed from Johnson's 2005 arrest after a Chicago nightclub valet reported seeing Johnson with a handgun in his SUV. He subsequently pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge.In April 2007, following a year in which players' problems off the field were at an all-time high, Goodell announced a new NFL Personal Conduct Policy.
It says that Jones was disciplined under the 2006 Personal Conduct Policy that “clearly provides that a player will not be disciplined until the player is ‘convicted of or admit(s) to a criminal violation.’”