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Tankathon '24-'25 (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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Quarterback would appear to be the goal for now and the foreseeable future

-We keep hearing that 2025 is a far cry from the Draft class of 2024 where we saw 6 QBs taken in the first 12 picks.
And while there might not be 6 QB prospects going in the top 10-12 again, still plenty of names to sift thru and several would be on par or better than some of the 6 taken this season
From Pro Football Focus...

QUARTERBACK​

  1. Jalen Milroe, Alabama
  2. Cam Ward, Miami (FL)
  3. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
  4. Conner Weigman, Texas A&M
  5. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
Jalen Milroe remains my top quarterback for the 2025 NFL Draft despite two recent down weeks for him. His play — most importantly, his accuracy and consistency as a passer — was at near-elite levels against Georgia and Vanderbilt. But his roller coaster of inconsistencies returned against South Carolina and Tennessee. Still, Milroe's talent ceiling as a runner and passer keeps him at No. 1.

Cam Ward’s 7.5% big-time throw percentage is one of the highest in college football, as he plays Superman for the Hurricanes' offense every week. His calm, confident demeanor and experience could warrant first-round grades from NFL teams. Shedeur Sanders remains the most consistent quarterback from clean pockets and when under pressure. It’s just a matter of how much scouts believe in his overall arm talent.

Conner Weigman got off to a poor start this season against Notre Dame and then missed a few games due to injury, but he put on a nice passing performance against Missouri with two big-time throws. His four turnover-worthy plays against Mississippi State the next week do beg the question as to whether he will declare for this draft class.

Garrett Nussmeier has been up and down — a theme for this quarterback class — but he makes NFL throws at all three layers of the field every week. Carson Beck was the next name up but has dropped in the rankings due to his inability to step up and take over big games to this point. Truth be told, it’s more of a bucket of many quarterback names right now at No. 5 rather than a true cut-off.

Who is going the be the front runner? There are many below average to poor teams.
Some of the same teams that picked high last season are picking high again and don't necessarily need a QB

Jacksonville 2-9, $275M T Law, not taking QB No 1 overall, likely trade down
Tennessee 2-8, Levis is not answering a lot of questions for most
NY Giants 2-8, just fired their Quarterback
Las Vegas 2-8, need a QB upgrade before anyone takes them seriously

New England 3-8, just took a QB
NY Jets 3-8, Almost back to Square 1 for the Jets
Cleveland 3-8, still have a couple years left to enjoy DeShaun Watson

At least 4 of these teams in the top 7 right now for the '25 Draft need some new answers at QB, you can rest assured these QB prospects will be taken early even if their talent does not justify the picks.
 
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I think the NFL will like Quinn Ewers a lot more than we think. I'd bet he's a selected before Weigman or Nussmeier. I'd actually be a little surprised if Weigman comes out. I think Carson Beck is still thought of highly enough to go in round 2, even if he's played his way out of being a top pick. Could see someone falling in love with Drew Aller as well at 6-5 241.

Raiders and Giants feel like QB locks. Titans I could see taking a guy, but also doing something else, especially if its just QBs that have gone, and they can take Hunter or someone like that. Also depends on how Levis finishes. I think the Browns are a strong candidate to take a QB...in round 2. They are probably stuck with Watson for 1 more season but can develop a guy behind him. Steelers are interesting. I could see them trading up. Seattle isn't out of the question to trade up either. Miami is a candidate on day 2, as an insurance/possible long-term successor type, ala when Philly took Hurts.

I also wonder if the Jags will trade down if they get #1, or if the allure of Travis Hunter is just too much. I think he's such an amazing prospect that even teams with a QB need, will question whether its better to go QB or take one of the best prospects in college football history.

If I had to guess right now, I'll say Sanders, Ward, and Milroe go round 1. I'd call this a good but not great QB class. A little weaker at the top, but a good amount of depth. There might 6-7 future starters in this class, even if there isn't an elite prospect.

I also think Will Johnson is an elite prospect and should be a top-5 pick.
 
travdogg said:
I think the NFL will like Quinn Ewers a lot more than we think. I'd bet he's a selected before Weigman or Nussmeier. I'd actually be a little surprised if Weigman comes out. I think Carson Beck is still thought of highly enough to go in round 2, even if he's played his way out of being a top pick. Could see someone falling in love with Drew Aller as well at 6-5 241.

Raiders and Giants feel like QB locks. Titans I could see taking a guy, but also doing something else, especially if its just QBs that have gone, and they can take Hunter or someone like that. Also depends on how Levis finishes. I think the Browns are a strong candidate to take a QB...in round 2. They are probably stuck with Watson for 1 more season but can develop a guy behind him. Steelers are interesting. I could see them trading up. Seattle isn't out of the question to trade up either. Miami is a candidate on day 2, as an insurance/possible long-term successor type, ala when Philly took Hurts.

I also wonder if the Jags will trade down if they get #1, or if the allure of Travis Hunter is just too much. I think he's such an amazing prospect that even teams with a QB need, will question whether its better to go QB or take one of the best prospects in college football history.

If I had to guess right now, I'll say Sanders, Ward, and Milroe go round 1. I'd call this a good but not great QB class. A little weaker at the top, but a good amount of depth. There might 6-7 future starters in this class, even if there isn't an elite prospect.

I also think Will Johnson is an elite prospect and should be a top-5 pick.
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All of the QB entries were taken from PFF and do not necessarily reflect my opinions.
Agree on Ewers and see him going higher.
One thing that might be interesting are a couple of these guys falling to perhaps the 3rd round but still Top 100 and allowing teams to address other needs 1st
 
Current Order

  1. Jacksonville Jaguars: 2-9 record; .492 strength of schedule
  2. New York Giants: 2-9; .516 SOS
  3. Las Vegas Raiders: 2-8; .533 SOS
  4. New England Patriots: 3-9; .475 SOS
  5. Carolina Panthers: 3-8; .492 SOS
  6. Tennessee Titans: 3-8; .503 SOS
  7. New York Jets: 3-8; .505 SOS
  8. Cleveland Browns: 3-8; .514 SOS
  9. New Orleans Saints: 4-7; .486 SOS
  10. Cincinnati Bengals: 4-7; .489 SOS
  11. Dallas Cowboys: 4-7; .513 SOS
  12. Chicago Bears: 4-7; .557 SOS
  13. Indianapolis Colts: 5-7; .476 SOS
  14. Miami Dolphins: 5-6; .432 SOS
  15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 5-6; .511 SOS
  16. Seattle Seahawks: 5-5; .531 SOS
  17. Los Angeles Rams: 5-5; .537 SOS
  18. San Francisco 49ers: 5-5; .559 SOS
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I see 3 teams who clearly need a QB. NYG, LVR, & NYJ

4 Teams who may be in the Market... Titans, Panthers, Browns, Colts

2 Teams who should be looking ahead... Saints & Seahawks


Currently I like Cam Ward as a top 3 pick. Shadeur Sanders in the top 15.

Beck and Allar are my next two, but I could see them going anywhere from Mid First to 4th round. A lot will depend on the Draft process and what certain teams value.
 
1. Giants 2-13, straight shot for the No 1 pick
2. New England 3-12 already drafted their QB
3. Jacksonville 3-12 TLaw returns in '25
4. Tennessee 3-12 Definitely need to think about a QB or Kirk Cousins
5. Cleveland 3-12 Watson 2025
6. Las Vegas 3-12 Should take a hard look at a Quarterback
7. Carolina 4-11 They might want to try Young again in '25
8. NY Jets 4-11
9. Chicago 4-11
10 New Orleans 5-9

5 team logjam from 2 thru 6
 
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Yeah an insanely costly loss, er win for the Raiders. Suddenly will have to pony up to get up to #2 to get the QB the Giants don't pick (and yeah even with how unique a talent Hunter is there is no way the Giants not take a QB). The good news at least for the Raiders is that there is a respectable chance NE stays at #2 and takes Hunter and if that occurs I can see Jacksonville being a willing partner if it keeps the other QB out of the division (with Tennessee picking #4).

(As a Bengals fan I selfishly want the Giants to goof up and win over the Colts but that would slide THEM all the way down to #6 and I can't see them doing that).

-QG
 
Ministry of Pain said:
1. Giants 2-13, straight shot for the No 1 pick
2. New England 3-12 already drafted their QB
3. Jacksonville 3-12 TLaw returns in '25
4. Tennessee 3-12 Definitely need to think about a QB or Kirk Cousins
5. Cleveland 3-12 Watson 2025
6. Las Vegas 3-12 Should take a hard look at a Quarterback
7. Carolina 4-11 They might want to try Young again in '25
8. NY Jets 4-11
9. Chicago 4-11
10 New Orleans 5-9

5 team logjam from 2 thru 6
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I can't picture Watson keeping the Browns from going QB. I would think Young has done enough since his benching to take QB off the board that early for them...I could see adding a solid veteran as insurance, but it is only his second year and he's showing signs of growth...give him a weapon or another O-lineman at #5 and hope it helps hm get better...Tennessee is interesting...as you say it has to be in the mix...could be a potential trade partner (along with Vegas and the Browns) with the Pats if these slots hold...if Darnold gets to free agency I wonder if any of these teams make a play for him.
 
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New England 3-13
Tennessee 3-13
New York G 3-13

-Giants fall down 2 spots but Patriots have their QB. That said I can see the Patriots trading down for whoever wants the No 1 spot. maybe the Raiders would like to trade up?
It won't take a 2026 1st to move up to No 1 this year is my guess
 
Boston said:
I can't picture Watson keeping the Browns from going QB
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Watson has zero bearing on what this team does with QB this off-season, but it wouldn't surprise me that even if this team gets to #1 they'll trade down. And, yes, they can get to #1. The others in contention are facing backups next week, the Browns travel to Baltimore.
 
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
 
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
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This year feels a bit different for me. I don't love the top of the draft like most seasons. The top 7-10 picks are more interchangeable than most years.
 
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
 
Kiddnets said:
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
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I really don't think tanking is a problem in the NFL. Given the non-guaranteed contracts, players are always going to play hard and coaches are going to coach to help their own respective resumes.
 
Zow said:
Kiddnets said:
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
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I really don't think tanking is a problem in the NFL. Given the non-guaranteed contracts, players are always going to play hard and coaches are going to coach to help their own respective resumes.
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Tanking is not on the player level, think when it happens comes from the top down to the coach. Cleveland playing DTR when they know he doesn't give them the best chance to win, Indy tanking for Luck by having Curtis Painter play the whole season, Flores saying owner asked him to tank, think there was something like that from Hue Jackson maybe as well.
 
Mitchie said:
Zow said:
Kiddnets said:
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
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I really don't think tanking is a problem in the NFL. Given the non-guaranteed contracts, players are always going to play hard and coaches are going to coach to help their own respective resumes.
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Tanking is not on the player level, think when it happens comes from the top down to the coach. Cleveland playing DTR when they know he doesn't give them the best chance to win, Indy tanking for Luck by having Curtis Painter play the whole season, Flores saying owner asked him to tank, think there was something like that from Hue Jackson maybe as well.
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exactly - no player is going to tank...nor coaches/GMs on the way out. They are desperately trying to help their resume for next job. But returning coaches/GM along with owners can make decisions to improve chances to tank. DTR/Painter great examples
 
Kiddnets said:
Mitchie said:
Zow said:
Kiddnets said:
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
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I really don't think tanking is a problem in the NFL. Given the non-guaranteed contracts, players are always going to play hard and coaches are going to coach to help their own respective resumes.
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Tanking is not on the player level, think when it happens comes from the top down to the coach. Cleveland playing DTR when they know he doesn't give them the best chance to win, Indy tanking for Luck by having Curtis Painter play the whole season, Flores saying owner asked him to tank, think there was something like that from Hue Jackson maybe as well.
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exactly - no player is going to tank...nor coaches/GMs on the way out. They are desperately trying to help their resume for next job. But returning coaches/GM along with owners can make decisions to improve chances to tank. DTR/Painter great examples
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Sure. But is that really a problem then?
 
Zow said:
Kiddnets said:
Mitchie said:
Zow said:
Kiddnets said:
I always read about tanking in NFL and how to fix the draft system by moving to a lottery - Im not sure that would be any better. In the NBA you have multiple teams tanking for entire seasons where NFL its usually just the last game or 2 - there are always wins like the Giants.
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I really don't think tanking is a problem in the NFL. Given the non-guaranteed contracts, players are always going to play hard and coaches are going to coach to help their own respective resumes.
Click to expand...
Tanking is not on the player level, think when it happens comes from the top down to the coach. Cleveland playing DTR when they know he doesn't give them the best chance to win, Indy tanking for Luck by having Curtis Painter play the whole season, Flores saying owner asked him to tank, think there was something like that from Hue Jackson maybe as well.
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exactly - no player is going to tank...nor coaches/GMs on the way out. They are desperately trying to help their resume for next job. But returning coaches/GM along with owners can make decisions to improve chances to tank. DTR/Painter great examples
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Sure. But is that really a problem then?
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Personally I think its minimal - not as widespread like the NBA although its there to some extent. Id keep as is.
 
Max Power said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
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This year feels a bit different for me. I don't love the top of the draft like most seasons. The top 7-10 picks are more interchangeable than most years.
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Agreed, but if someone not picking 1 or 2 needs a QB, and covets one of Shadeur / Ward, then that changes things. The QB market is, and always will be, irrational.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
Click to expand...

Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
 
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
Click to expand...

Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
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Don't remember if they were above or below Tennessee, but they were back to back. The 'winner' was going to be #2 now.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
Click to expand...

Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
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here’s a jet fan question;

jets are 7 now and a chance to move up. of the other 6, who would you say needs a qb?
this is a 2 qb draft up top….

tenn and the nyg scream yes. ne no, jax no.
so, carolina with young and cleveland with watson, do they lean qb? the nyg might play a resting eagle team, with nothing to play for and they could jump them.
 
Chemical X said:
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
Click to expand...

Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
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here’s a jet fan question;

jets are 7 now and a chance to move up. of the other 6, who would you say needs a qb?
this is a 2 qb draft up top….

tenn and the nyg scream yes. ne no, jax no.
so, carolina with young and cleveland with watson, do they lean qb? the nyg might play a resting eagle team, with nothing to play for and they could jump them.
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Tenn, NYG and Browns imo
 
Chemical X said:
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
Click to expand...

Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
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here’s a jet fan question;

jets are 7 now and a chance to move up. of the other 6, who would you say needs a qb?
this is a 2 qb draft up top….

tenn and the nyg scream yes. ne no, jax no.
so, carolina with young and cleveland with watson, do they lean qb? the nyg might play a resting eagle team, with nothing to play for and they could jump them.
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Carolina won't go QB assuming a rational front office. Bryce still has 2 years of rookie deal plus a 5th year option before numbers get crazy. That said, don't ever count out Tepper's brand of crazy. If BY has fallen out of the owner's favor, he could be traded + a pick to move up to snag yet another rookie QB.
 
Chemical X said:
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
New England
Tennessee
Cleveland
NY Giants

1-2-3-4 as of this morning...Giants win a meaningless late season football game and drop 3 spots from No 1 to No 4
The owners must have a ball in the off season teasing each other about their draft slots
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Where was Jax before Week 17?

2025 NFL DRAFT ORDER: AS IT STANDS​

PickTeamRecordWin %EPA per play (offense)EPA allowed per play (defense)
1New England Patriots3-130.18826th30th
2TennesseeTitans3-130.18830th21st
3Cleveland Browns3-130.18832nd16th
4New York Giants3-130.18829th27th
5JacksonvilleJaguars4-120.25019th31st
6Carolina Panthers4-120.25027th32nd
7New York Jets4-120.25016th24th
8Las Vegas Raiders4-120.25031st14th
9ChicagoBears4-120.25025th17th
10New Orleans Saints5-110.31323rd23rd
11San Francisco49ers6-90.40013th13th
12IndianapolisColts7-90.43821st18th
13Dallas Cowboys7-90.43828th28th
14ArizonaCardinals7-90.4389th29th
15Miami Dolphins8-80.50024th6th
16CincinnatiBengals8-80.5008th26th
17Atlanta Falcons8-80.50014th20th
18SeattleSeahawks9-70.56318th10th
19HoustonTexans9-70.56322nd7th
20DenverBroncos9-70.56320th3rd
21Tampa Bay Buccaneers9-70.5635th19th
22Los Angeles Chargers10-60.62515th5th
23Los Angeles Rams10-60.62512th25th
24Green Bay Packers11-50.6887th4th
25PittsburghSteelers10-60.62517th8th
26WashingtonCommanders11-50.6884th22nd
27Baltimore Ravens11-50.6881st12th
28Philadelphia Eagles13-30.8136th1st
29Buffalo Bills13-30.8132nd15th
30Detroit Lions13-20.8673rd11th
31MinnesotaVikings14-20.87511th2nd
32Kansas City Chiefs15-10.93810th9th
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here’s a jet fan question;

jets are 7 now and a chance to move up. of the other 6, who would you say needs a qb?
this is a 2 qb draft up top….

tenn and the nyg scream yes. ne no, jax no.
so, carolina with young and cleveland with watson, do they lean qb? the nyg might play a resting eagle team, with nothing to play for and they could jump them.
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I'd like to see a team target a QB at the top of the 2nd Round, a team that has a QB need but realizes this Draft doesn't have surefire 1st round talent and builds up their other needs in the 1st and uses the 2nd round pick or maybe even 3rd-4th on a QB that will need a little time to develop. They don't anticipate rolling him out Week 1

We've seen teams in the past do well not taking their QB in the 1st round.
And teams can trade back up into the late 1st without mortgaging the farm, still get a decent QB prospect. I don't think you need a top 5 pick this year to make a splash
 
I'm just here because I can't post in the Raider thread trying to help them even when a win is still a loss because they will still start AOC next season with Pierce as HC.
 
Mitchie said:
Final Draft Order
1. Titans
2. Cleveland
3. NYG
4. NEP
5. Jags
6. LV
7. NYJ
8. Carolina
9. NO
10. Chicago
11. SF
12. Dallas
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Titans will take a QB and might even be able to trade down
Browns will draft Hunter at WR and it won't do much to improve their offense until they take a QB at No 34, maybe...
The NYGiants will take a QB and look good doing it. Sanders/Ward, one of them
Patriots are not taking a QB
Jaguars just paid TLaw $275M, they are not taking a QB
Raiders will be happy to take whatever QB falls to them at 6 or they will make a move and go up in the Draft but I'm not sure they need to
I could also see the Raiders trade down and get a QB more to the end of Rd 1 and pick up some more draft picks which they need
I think the Raiders will also explore free agents available at QB which could also allow them to trade down
The Jets at No 7 could look at QB but maybe it would be easier in the 2nd round for them
Panthers are not going to grab a QB in '25, Young gets another season, he's looked a lot better recently
Saints are in the market for sure
Bears no
49'ers no
Cowboys no

I would say 5 of the top 12 would be in the market potentially for a QB, Titans should listen to offers from the other 4 needy teams
Not sure any of the QB prospects are actually sure fire hits
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Mitchie said:
Final Draft Order
1. Titans
2. Cleveland
3. NYG
4. NEP
5. Jags
6. LV
7. NYJ
8. Carolina
9. NO
10. Chicago
11. SF
12. Dallas
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Titans will take a QB and might even be able to trade down
Browns will draft Hunter at WR and it won't do much to improve their offense
The NYGiants will take a QB and look good doing it. Sanders/Ward, one of them
Patriots are not taking a QB
Jaguars just paid TLaw $275M, they are not taking a QB
Raiders will be happy to take whatever QB falls to them at 6 or they will make a move and go up in the Draft but I'm not sure they need to
I could also see the Raiders trade down and get a QB more to the end of Rd 1 and pick up some more draft picks which they need
I think the Raiders will also explore free agents that could be available at QB which could also allow them to trade down
The Jets at No 7 could look at QB but maybe it would be easier in the 2nd round for them
Panthers are not going to grab a QB in '25, Young gets another season, he's looked a lot better recently
Saints are in the market for sure
Bears no
49'ers no
Cowboys no

I would say 5 of the top 12 would be in the market potentially for a QB, Titans should listen to offers from the other 4 needy teams
Not sure any of the QB prospects are actually sure fire hits
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You dont think the Browns go QB?
 
Smack Tripper said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Mitchie said:
Final Draft Order
1. Titans
2. Cleveland
3. NYG
4. NEP
5. Jags
6. LV
7. NYJ
8. Carolina
9. NO
10. Chicago
11. SF
12. Dallas
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Titans will take a QB and might even be able to trade down
Browns will draft Hunter at WR and it won't do much to improve their offense
The NYGiants will take a QB and look good doing it. Sanders/Ward, one of them
Patriots are not taking a QB
Jaguars just paid TLaw $275M, they are not taking a QB
Raiders will be happy to take whatever QB falls to them at 6 or they will make a move and go up in the Draft but I'm not sure they need to
I could also see the Raiders trade down and get a QB more to the end of Rd 1 and pick up some more draft picks which they need
I think the Raiders will also explore free agents that could be available at QB which could also allow them to trade down
The Jets at No 7 could look at QB but maybe it would be easier in the 2nd round for them
Panthers are not going to grab a QB in '25, Young gets another season, he's looked a lot better recently
Saints are in the market for sure
Bears no
49'ers no
Cowboys no

I would say 5 of the top 12 would be in the market potentially for a QB, Titans should listen to offers from the other 4 needy teams
Not sure any of the QB prospects are actually sure fire hits
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You dont think the Browns go QB?
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In the 1st round, near the top of the Draft?
That has never worked for them since they became an expansion team
I don't see them doing it this year

Could they draft a QB at No 34? That might be something they look into or trading back into the very late 1st just to get the 5th year option if they needed it
At 1.02 I don't see the Browns taking a QB, no
 
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