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Brad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
Thats the major problem:( And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
Huard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
Bowe is the correct answer there sharks.Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
As far as being a NFL QB..Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problem
3 games last year doesn't make him a veteran.
no ones saying he isn't sucking out there.He is a rookie, he has crap for a coaching staff, and he has crap at WR..
bowe isnt anything special either. Tavaris Jackson sucks. I cant believe I have watched this whole game. His wideouts suck too. They have no ability to seperate from Dbacks and barely know their own route patterns. The Vikings are not fun to watch outside of peterson.Bowe is the correct answer there sharks.Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problem
I stopped reading there.bowe isnt anything special either. Tavaris Jackson sucks. I cant believe I have watched this whole game. His wideouts suck too. They have no ability to seperate from Dbacks and barely know their own route patterns. The Vikings are not fun to watch outside of peterson.Bowe is the correct answer there sharks.Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.
He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.
Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
It helps Huard to have T Gonz as a target.Huard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemBrad Childress is gonna cost Brad Childress his job.
And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
Williamson got a finger on the bomb and it was 4 yards out of bounds.
good, get lost then. Bowe will be real good eventually, but he's just not a good fantasy option right now. PERIOD.I stopped reading there.bowe isnt anything special either. Tavaris Jackson sucks. I cant believe I have watched this whole game. His wideouts suck too. They have no ability to seperate from Dbacks and barely know their own route patterns. The Vikings are not fun to watch outside of peterson.Bowe is the correct answer there sharks.Jackson a rookie?Huard a rookieHuard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemAnd anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.
He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.
Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
I don't believe that. The guy has a lot of talent. I agree it would be best for minnesota to have TJax play behind a vet...whether its holcomb or someone else for a while before handing him the reins. He looked confused today...Dallas is a good D though.
You are a MIN fan I take it?? God I feel bad for you that your QB situation is one that you are calling for Holcomb.......
Jackson looks terrible, and they need to return to Holcomb next week unless they feel the season is over, then just ride with Jackson and let him learn. 3 of the next 4 at home should help, but they have to develop some kind of passing game. It is a MIRACLE that Taylor and Peterson can run as well as they have without ANY passing game.
How do you figure?29 receptions, 499 yards & 3 TD's. Going into this week he was the #18 WR in PPR leagues.
Ah, the old Kordell Stewart/Mike Vick arguement. It never gets old.When Jackson showed up in purple, I finally learned what happened to Spergon Wynn.And anyone that was expecting Jackson to do anything but struggle this year clearly had to much
He thinks Dwayne Bowe is a rookie WR playing for the Vikings.
Williamson let another bomb go through his hands? Guess I missed that one. And are you talking about Wade? Last time I checked, Ward played for the Steelers, :X
Huard has the 2nd best TE in the game as a passing option... this Kidd has nothing too lean on.Huard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.Thats the major problemHe came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
Having watched a lot of TJ's games so far, I agree with EVERYTHING abovethe only positives Jackson has right now1) strong arm2) he can run when plays break downthat's it. this isn't college. the guy has to be a LOT more than a scrambler who can throw the odd bomb for a big play. he's just not ready to be an NFL QB. he's not. it's not just a coin flip type deal. he's just not an NFL QB. he's the kinda guy you would see as the #3 for a season or two... or who might get on the practice squad where the team talks about converting him to WR.he holds the ball too long, he has no accuracy, he doesn't have touch on the deep ball, they apparently don't trust him (6-19 today, at one point in the 3rd qtr he was 2-6
I don't what bomb you are talking about but the one I am talking about was in the first half and it didn't go out of bounds. He should of had it.FunkyPlutos said:az_prof said:
Jackson looks terrible, and they need to return to Holcomb next week unless they feel the season is over, then just ride with Jackson and let him learn. 3 of the next 4 at home should help, but they have to develop some kind of passing game. It is a MIRACLE that Taylor and Peterson can run as well as they have without ANY passing game.
OMGCGRdrJoe said:Bowe is the correct answer there sharks.Liam said:Jackson a rookie?snogger said:Huard a rookieawesomeness said:Huard isnt doing horrible with his best WR being a rookie.KellysHeroes said:Thats the major problemsnogger said:mr. furley said:countingcrow said:He came from a low rated college and got thrown to the wolves last year when the season was done.He needed at least another year behind a veteran QB. But Childress thought he was smarter than 99% of the rest of the NFL experts and wanted to prove us all wrong.Not to mention his best WR is a rookie.
this is why i said he should be the #3 or on the practice squad. he's just not polished at all. he has a huge arm and doesn't know how to use it yet. fantastic athlete but he's just not an NFL QB yet. he may never be.
I agree with this. However, I would add that for fantasy purposes, this year, he is worthless. Maybe he will pan out in the future and he deserves the shot since this year is wasted and Holcombe isn't much better. He does have a strong arm and a pretty good pocket presence. But he seems to have trouble finding WRs and getting them the ball, which is pretty darn important. It is true that his WRs are among the worst in the NFL.
What I was going to say verbatim. Jackson is bad, yes. However so are Bollinger and Holcomb - and they aren't newcomers in the league. Jackson has some very good talent and would be served best by backing up a quality veteran starter for a couple of years. Unfortunately, due to bonehead front management and a depleted source of quality QBs in the league right now, that can't happen.mr. furley said:countingcrow said:
maybe it's not necessary to have a big arm and yes there are intangibles but it's painful to watch these guys play the position most of the time. these are guys you'd like to upgrade but can live with for the time being. there are too many of those guys.Are you talking NFL or Fantasy?? In Fantasy I don't care how much Garcia checks down, or how much McNabb dumps off to Westbrook, I still get those points. If you are talking NFL, Garcia dumps off very effectively, it's just a matter of him taking what the defense is giving him.As far as quality QBs are concerend you do have some up and coming QBs, Romo and Jason Campbell come to mind.friend of mine and i have been going over this recently.there are several top quality QB's in the league (Manning, Brady, etc) but there are also a lot of really really really bad QB's (Jackson, Grossman, pretty much all the backups). there is a serious dearth of quality QB's around. it's why guys like Testaverde can come back and play when they're 52. there are guys who post stats weekly (Garcia this week, Pennington, etc) that just aren't good. Garcia's yards all came on checkdowns, screens and swing passes. he attemped a couple downfield but nothing more than 15 yards. he can run the #### out of the WCO but can't get the ball past 20 yds.
talking actual NFL games. not fantasy.Garcia can check down with the best of 'em.. saw that in Philadelphia last season. what it does is shortens the field and makes running the offense more and more difficult. he collected a lotta worthless yards today but couldn't get them in the end zone.Are you talking NFL or Fantasy?? In Fantasy I don't care how much Garcia checks down, or how much McNabb dumps off to Westbrook, I still get those points. If you are talking NFL, Garcia dumps off very effectively, it's just a matter of him taking what the defense is giving him.As far as quality QBs are concerend you do have some up and coming QBs, Romo and Jason Campbell come to mind.friend of mine and i have been going over this recently.there are several top quality QB's in the league (Manning, Brady, etc) but there are also a lot of really really really bad QB's (Jackson, Grossman, pretty much all the backups). there is a serious dearth of quality QB's around. it's why guys like Testaverde can come back and play when they're 52. there are guys who post stats weekly (Garcia this week, Pennington, etc) that just aren't good. Garcia's yards all came on checkdowns, screens and swing passes. he attemped a couple downfield but nothing more than 15 yards. he can run the #### out of the WCO but can't get the ball past 20 yds.maybe it's not necessary to have a big arm and yes there are intangibles but it's painful to watch these guys play the position most of the time. these are guys you'd like to upgrade but can live with for the time being. there are too many of those guys.it's a tough position but it seems like there are a lot of marginal, at best, QB's floating around out there now.
i want a guy who can do that, throw the intermediate passes and the deep balls to all his players. Campbell looks fine, Romo looks good. i'd have to go over the list of current QB's and their backups to point out the misses in the bunch.. maybe later.eta: in Garcia's case i don't think it's a matter of taking what the defense is giving. he has been running this same offense for years and doing the same things. it worked when he had a lot of talent around him in SF, he was horrible in Cleveland and Detroit then came on early in Philly last year before teams started to clamp down. the defense is keeping everything in front of them because they know he can't/won't go downfield with any regularity. at least that's how i see it.You don't have to come up with a list, I do agree that the overall quality of QBs seems to be down this year. However Garcia is a good stop gap QB. There are alot of teams starting 2nd and 3rd year players, Cutler, Young, Leinart, are three that could end up being pretty good.talking actual NFL games. not fantasy.Garcia can check down with the best of 'em.. saw that in Philadelphia last season. what it does is shortens the field and makes running the offense more and more difficult. he collected a lotta worthless yards today but couldn't get them in the end zone.Are you talking NFL or Fantasy?? In Fantasy I don't care how much Garcia checks down, or how much McNabb dumps off to Westbrook, I still get those points. If you are talking NFL, Garcia dumps off very effectively, it's just a matter of him taking what the defense is giving him.As far as quality QBs are concerend you do have some up and coming QBs, Romo and Jason Campbell come to mind.friend of mine and i have been going over this recently.there are several top quality QB's in the league (Manning, Brady, etc) but there are also a lot of really really really bad QB's (Jackson, Grossman, pretty much all the backups). there is a serious dearth of quality QB's around. it's why guys like Testaverde can come back and play when they're 52. there are guys who post stats weekly (Garcia this week, Pennington, etc) that just aren't good. Garcia's yards all came on checkdowns, screens and swing passes. he attemped a couple downfield but nothing more than 15 yards. he can run the #### out of the WCO but can't get the ball past 20 yds.
yeah, that's why i said "these are guys you'd like to upgrade but can live with for the time being. there are too many of those guys."VY, Cutler and Leinart look like three guys that could improve with time... they certainly don't look like washouts at this point. we'll see.. the league needs it.You don't have to come up with a list, I do agree that the overall quality of QBs seems to be down this year. However Garcia is a good stop gap QB. There are alot of teams starting 2nd and 3rd year players, Cutler, Young, Leinart, are three that could end up being pretty good.talking actual NFL games. not fantasy.Garcia can check down with the best of 'em.. saw that in Philadelphia last season. what it does is shortens the field and makes running the offense more and more difficult. he collected a lotta worthless yards today but couldn't get them in the end zone.Are you talking NFL or Fantasy?? In Fantasy I don't care how much Garcia checks down, or how much McNabb dumps off to Westbrook, I still get those points. If you are talking NFL, Garcia dumps off very effectively, it's just a matter of him taking what the defense is giving him.As far as quality QBs are concerend you do have some up and coming QBs, Romo and Jason Campbell come to mind.friend of mine and i have been going over this recently.there are several top quality QB's in the league (Manning, Brady, etc) but there are also a lot of really really really bad QB's (Jackson, Grossman, pretty much all the backups). there is a serious dearth of quality QB's around. it's why guys like Testaverde can come back and play when they're 52. there are guys who post stats weekly (Garcia this week, Pennington, etc) that just aren't good. Garcia's yards all came on checkdowns, screens and swing passes. he attemped a couple downfield but nothing more than 15 yards. he can run the #### out of the WCO but can't get the ball past 20 yds.
