TB Bucs cleaning house? (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wow thats alot of turnover:

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

 

[QUEZILLA]

Geno Hayes is gonna be the man, but I don't think they should have cut ties with Brooks. The others aren't really much of a shock. Maybe a few will resign.

 

[Punchie]

June surprises me, he would have been the best fit at WLB post Brooks.

 

[Vrana]

Very, very surprised by Brooks. That will not go over well here in Tampa. He was a huge fan favorite.

Mildly surprised by Hilliard and Dunn. Ike has been a very consistent player for us here though out the years, but I understand that it might be time for him to go. The RB position is something that we desperately need help at, but I don't mind seeing Dunn go.

Galloway and June, meh.

 

[Buffaloes]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

 

[billyjoe]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

I don't think so. I read they're going to be very tight with their money. The GM mentioned they were not even considering Al, the price was unreasonable. They're going to add a few key guys as they go, and build through the draft. I don't see them blowing 200mil on contracts like the Jets last year. New offense, new defense (no cover 2), it's full on rebuilding. FA is for adding a piece or two to make a run at the playoffs/SB. They're not even on that radar now.

 

[billyjoe]

June surprises me, he would have been the best fit at WLB post Brooks.

But they're not running the tampa 2 anymore. And June is 29. Cato was perfect in that system the Colts/Bucs ran. Bates D, youth movement, June was not a surprise to be cut imho.

 

[QUEZILLA]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

I don't think so. I read they're going to be very tight with their money. The GM mentioned they were not even considering Al, the price was unreasonable. They're going to add a few key guys as they go, and build through the draft. I don't see them blowing 200mil on contracts like the Jets last year. New offense, new defense (no cover 2), it's full on rebuilding. FA is for adding a piece or two to make a run at the playoffs/SB. They're not even on that radar now.

 

[mmmWaffles]

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Brooks mentoring Demeco Ryans.

 

[billyjoe]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

I don't think so. I read they're going to be very tight with their money. The GM mentioned they were not even considering Al, the price was unreasonable. They're going to add a few key guys as they go, and build through the draft. I don't see them blowing 200mil on contracts like the Jets last year. New offense, new defense (no cover 2), it's full on rebuilding. FA is for adding a piece or two to make a run at the playoffs/SB. They're not even on that radar now.

You should probably cut back on the coffee. It's the offseason, you need to pace yourself.

Peter King, of Sports Illustrated.com, firmly believes the Bucs wont be a major player in the lottery sweepstakes to gain the services of what many have coined, as the prized free agent in this years class DT Albert Haynesworth.

From the lead horses mouth Mark Dominik stated

“To sit there and say we’re going to be major players in the big free-agent market probably is wrong,” Dominik said. “Our goal is to take care of our young core players. The veterans here are important to our future. Then, when you get to free agency, you have to measure the cost and benefit of every player. If you put a value of $4 million a year on a player, and it goes over that, you’ve got to be disciplined about chasing the money.”

“I think it’s a great opportunity that’s been created here. We’re working to make sure we take advantage of it in the right way.”

In other news, the Buccaneers are scheduled to have $55 million in money below the salary cap to spend come the 27 Feb 09. If anyone has every read any of my rants on forums out there they will now that I have stated previously that the team had around $50 million in available cap space for 2009.

http://www.bucscentral.com/general-news/ma...of-core-players

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

I don't think so. I read they're going to be very tight with their money. The GM mentioned they were not even considering Al, the price was unreasonable. They're going to add a few key guys as they go, and build through the draft. I don't see them blowing 200mil on contracts like the Jets last year. New offense, new defense (no cover 2), it's full on rebuilding. FA is for adding a piece or two to make a run at the playoffs/SB. They're not even on that radar now.

You should probably cut back on the coffee. It's the offseason, you need to pace yourself.

Peter King, of Sports Illustrated.com, firmly believes the Bucs wont be a major player in the lottery sweepstakes to gain the services of what many have coined, as the prized free agent in this years class DT Albert Haynesworth.

From the lead horses mouth Mark Dominik stated

“To sit there and say we’re going to be major players in the big free-agent market probably is wrong,” Dominik said. “Our goal is to take care of our young core players. The veterans here are important to our future. Then, when you get to free agency, you have to measure the cost and benefit of every player. If you put a value of $4 million a year on a player, and it goes over that, you’ve got to be disciplined about chasing the money.”

“I think it’s a great opportunity that’s been created here. We’re working to make sure we take advantage of it in the right way.”

In other news, the Buccaneers are scheduled to have $55 million in money below the salary cap to spend come the 27 Feb 09. If anyone has every read any of my rants on forums out there they will now that I have stated previously that the team had around $50 million in available cap space for 2009.

http://www.bucscentral.com/general-news/ma...of-core-players

Paragraph two says they are going to take care of thier vetrans.... They sure did.

 

[QUEZILLA]

They are going to have a lot of $$$ going into free agency. I'm guessing they will be a team that will make an early splash.

I don't think so. I read they're going to be very tight with their money. The GM mentioned they were not even considering Al, the price was unreasonable. They're going to add a few key guys as they go, and build through the draft. I don't see them blowing 200mil on contracts like the Jets last year. New offense, new defense (no cover 2), it's full on rebuilding. FA is for adding a piece or two to make a run at the playoffs/SB. They're not even on that radar now.

You should probably cut back on the coffee. It's the offseason, you need to pace yourself.

Peter King, of Sports Illustrated.com, firmly believes the Bucs wont be a major player in the lottery sweepstakes to gain the services of what many have coined, as the prized free agent in this years class DT Albert Haynesworth.

From the lead horses mouth Mark Dominik stated

“To sit there and say we’re going to be major players in the big free-agent market probably is wrong,” Dominik said. “Our goal is to take care of our young core players. The veterans here are important to our future. Then, when you get to free agency, you have to measure the cost and benefit of every player. If you put a value of $4 million a year on a player, and it goes over that, you’ve got to be disciplined about chasing the money.”

“I think it’s a great opportunity that’s been created here. We’re working to make sure we take advantage of it in the right way.”

In other news, the Buccaneers are scheduled to have $55 million in money below the salary cap to spend come the 27 Feb 09. If anyone has every read any of my rants on forums out there they will now that I have stated previously that the team had around $50 million in available cap space for 2009.

http://www.bucscentral.com/general-news/ma...of-core-players

I don't understand this logic. BA & JG were heavily criticized for not doing enough in FA last season.

 

[bucsbaby]

Hmmm...Gruden is gone and a bunch of past-their-prime vets are released.

For sentimental reasons, Brooks will be missed, but the Bucs need to get younger and better at certain key positions. WR, RB, and OLB are such key positions. QB is another void they need to fill.

I would say things are definitely heading in a positive direction. Now we just need to fill in these voids with good drafting and maybe some FA acquisitions.

I really don't think the Bucs are as far out of things as people think. I think if they were to bring in good-quality talent by way of draft/FA at DT, QB, WR, and maybe RB, then there would be no reason they couldn't remain competitive. They still have a pretty strong secondary, a talented MLB, and a talented DE (who needs some help along the line). If Hayes, Talib, and the new safeties continue to develop they are only a couple of pieces away from having a dominant defense. On the offensive side of the ball, they have a very good OL, which is the foundation to build on. They have at least one decent WR. Smith is a good TE imo. If they can get healthy at RB and/or add a RB by way of FA or the draft then, again, I think they are only 1-2 pieces away from having a respectable offense. Imo the biggest FA need is to bring in a quality, vet QB. Alternatively, if they really are set on youth-movement, rebuilding, then I would like to see them go after a franchise QB. Unfortunately, public opinion is that there aren't really a lot of quality franchise QBs in the draft this year, so I would be in favour of bringing in a vet QB and drafting a good WR on the first day of the draft.

My FA wish lists for TB are QB and DT. Plug some other key holes the first day of the draft and imo the Bucs could easily be a playoff team next year.

 

[gump]

100% rebuilding mode. No chance they make any huge FA signings, IMO.

Glad I didn't renew my tickets.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Press conference going on right now. NO CHANCE of resigning Brooks, even if he restructures. They are going in a different direction. "rebuilding"

 

[gump]

Now...if we just recreate that 1995 draft...we'll be going in the right direction.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

It's not like they're taking that +50M of available cap space and doing nothing with it. Look for some sensible signings and lots of trades/activity at the draft.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I don't get cutting Dunn. His pricetag was $3M, and he put up great numbers last year.

Who else do they have after Graham? Caddy was hurt late and cannot be counted on at all.

This only makes sense if they are either making room for a run at Haynesworth or if they want to bring in Derrick Ward.

 

[northern exposure]

Very, very surprised by Brooks. That will not go over well here in Tampa. He was a huge fan favorite.Mildly surprised by Hilliard and Dunn. Ike has been a very consistent player for us here though out the years, but I understand that it might be time for him to go. The RB position is something that we desperately need help at, but I don't mind seeing Dunn go.Galloway and June, meh.

I'm surprised they let Dunn go. That only leaves them with Graham as a healthy, viable option at RB. Caddy was injured again in 2008 and Bennett won't be back. So they either have to draft somebody or pick up a FA. Graham is 29 and doesn't have a lot of miles on him, but he is still fast approaching that scary age for RBs. I have Graham on a team I inherited in a dynasty league. This news might push his value up enough for me to move him.

 

[Romulan]

Good for the Bucs, they need to rebuild and work off the strong core of young guys that they already have. I just hope they focus on bringing in some quality WR's and get rid of that bum M. Clayton too...

 

[northern exposure]

I don't get cutting Dunn. His pricetag was $3M, and he put up great numbers last year.Who else do they have after Graham? Caddy was hurt late and cannot be counted on at all.This only makes sense if they are either making room for a run at Haynesworth or if they want to bring in Derrick Ward.

I thought about the possibility of Ward in Tampa as well, but he's already 28 and is only 7 months younger than Graham. Ward is 5'11" to Graham's 5'9" and they have similar weights. So, Ward doesn't represent that big of a change to Graham. Maybe they will look for a younger version of Dunn in FA or grab a back in the draft.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I don't get cutting Dunn. His pricetag was $3M, and he put up great numbers last year.Who else do they have after Graham? Caddy was hurt late and cannot be counted on at all.This only makes sense if they are either making room for a run at Haynesworth or if they want to bring in Derrick Ward.

or draft a back in the first or second round.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Mark Dominick said the possibility of an uncapped season in the future played no role in the decisions. At least Bruce Allen would say "we have a plan for both." Guy is merely a puppet for the broke Glazers.

Quez is

 

[Romulan]

Maurice Morris will be a Buc

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Brooks is definitely being released, per ESPN just now.

EDIT: Looks like everyone mentioned in this original post is officially gone. Brooks, Dunn, Hilliard, Galloway, and June.

 

[lyon812]

Maybe they've been reading all the mock drafts and are certain they'll get one of the top 3 RB's in this class.

 

[QUEZILLA]

 

[Couch Potato]

Brooks and Dunn, going away together.

Boot Scoot Boogie.

 

[the branded hand]

Geno Hayes is gonna be the man, but I don't think they should have cut ties with Brooks. The others aren't really much of a shock. Maybe a few will resign.

June surprises me, he would have been the best fit at WLB post Brooks.

With Brooks and June gone, what are the options at OLB for Tampa? Do they silde Hayes to the outside, but who else? FA's... draft...

 

[gump]

Mark Dominick said the possibility of an uncapped season in the future played no role in the decisions. At least Bruce Allen would say "we have a plan for both." Guy is merely a puppet for the broke Glazers. Quez is

Didn't Dominick also say "We are not rebuilding."We'll see soon enough.I do like a lot of the young players...especially in the secondary and OL.

 

[PewterFan]

I'm fine with this provided they show a desire to spend money this offseason.

 

[Homer @ RJ]

I'm fine with this provided they show a desire to spend money this offseason.

they're not spending **** this offseason. the whole "rebuilding mode" writing is all over the wall. perfect excuse to hoard more of that cap room and "re-sign our key young players", like phillips and buchanon who are 36 hours away from walking the road. the mouthbreathers who were crawling over each other to get gruden fired are getting served their first plate today. team is in for a long, long, looooooooong road back. hope you guys all like baseball.

 

[tex]

I know Brooks is extremely popular but it was time for him to go. As a matter of fact it's time to call it a career. He is toast as a viable player. Maybe like someone else said earlier, he could be a "mentor" to some young guy, but his days are long gone.

 

[PewterFan]

who were crawling over each other to get gruden fired are getting served their first plate today.

Well that's true. The Buccaneers signed tons of top free agents during Gruden time here. Such as Keyshawn, Jeff Faine and...well that's it, but still, those two moves were key.

 

[PewterFan]

I know Brooks is extremely popular but it was time for him to go.

Agreed. Thanks for the memories #55.

 

[bucsbaby]

if this is the first plate after Gruden being fired, then I'm all for second and third helpings. letting go of over-the-hill players (who Gruden loves) and bringing in (hopefully) good young talent is a good move imo. none of the guys mentioned that we let go are in their prime or will be overly missed imo (except Brooks for mentorship/sentimental reasons). in terms of play on the field, we can do better than the guys we are letting go here. it's not like we're letting Ruud go, for example.

QB, WR, RB on offense and DL, OLB on defense. A couple players in FA hopefully and a few in the draft and there's no reason the Bucs can't continue to compete. The keys will be what happens with QB and DL imo.

 

[taz]

Even if the Bucs go 4-12 in a rebuilding year, I'm confident they'll at least have a long-term plan. Sad that they let go of Brooks, but they must clearly see his best days are behind him. Same with Dunn. I've thought all along that fans would forgive a down year, as long as they see a payoff and a plan - in other words, no more 9-7, lose-in-the-first-round seasons.

They may not make a huge splash in FA, but the guys they sign will be with an eye toward 2010. I just don't see this team competing in the NFC South this year. If they do make a splash, I think it could be at WR.

Depending on who they draft, I can see them going RB (Wells, Moreno) or DE, and signing a stopgap QB that Jagodzinski thinks he can work with (Boller? Losman? Trade for Anderson?).

They'll suck, but at least they should be interesting.

 

[chook]

The Glazers are still hundreds of millions in debt from their Manchester United purchase, so I can't see them spending big for some time.

+ IMO Dunn will be replaced on day one of the draft, relegating Graham to second fiddle in a 60-40 RBBC.

 

[Da Guru]

I heard that Brooks and Dunn may be forming a band.

 

[Couch Potato]

I heard that Brooks and Dunn may be forming a band.

BAH. you're 11 posts slow there pal.

 

[billyjoe]

I know Brooks is extremely popular but it was time for him to go. As a matter of fact it's time to call it a career. He is toast as a viable player. Maybe like someone else said earlier, he could be a "mentor" to some young guy, but his days are long gone.

Uh, you realize that he made the probowl right? He didn't fall off that much, and they still had a top 10 defense. I think it was a good move to cut him, but the guy just made the probowl, he's hardly "toast".

 

[PewterFan]

Uh, you realize that he made the probowl right? He didn't fall off that much, and they still had a top 10 defense.

That's a popularity vote. Barrett Ruud was much more deserving of a trip to Hawaii than Brooks. He's a HOF'er for sure, but he has lost a big step the last two seasons. I would have liked to see him in a Bucs uniform for one more year in a reduced role, but Raheem Morris sees otherwise and I'm okay with it provided they have a plan in place.

 

[fatness]

This only makes sense if they are either making room for a run at Haynesworth or if they want to bring in Derrick Ward.

They might be doing that.Sara Walsh, WUSA (DC TV station)

Albert Haynesworth still doesn't know where he'll land when the free agent market opens this Friday, but the defensive tackle is heavily weighing several options. Aside from Washington, Tennessee, and Tampa, the Giants may also be in the mix.

I spoke with Haynesworth for almost an hour this evening and he truly is torn about where the right fit for him will be. Ironically, he spent much of the conversation grilling me about life in Washington and what the Redskins are like.

A Houston Chronicle report said the Skins were willing to give Haynesworth a deal worth more than 100 million. But the Bucs also have change to spare. Today Tampa made massive cuts, releasing five players including Pro Bowlers Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn.

 

[bucsbaby]

If Tampa brings in Hayensworth and a vet QB and drafts a WR and RB on the first day then they could easily be competitive imo.

 

[billyjoe]

Uh, you realize that he made the probowl right? He didn't fall off that much, and they still had a top 10 defense.

That's a popularity vote. Barrett Ruud was much more deserving of a trip to Hawaii than Brooks. He's a HOF'er for sure, but he has lost a big step the last two seasons. I would have liked to see him in a Bucs uniform for one more year in a reduced role, but Raheem Morris sees otherwise and I'm okay with it provided they have a plan in place.

To a degree. But there were lots of popular players who didn't make it. So Ruud should have gone, so Brooks is the 5th best LB last year? 8th? 10th?I never said he hasn't lost a step. I said Brooks wasn't "toast" as someone claimed. That's laughable.

 

[DenverBuc]

If Tampa brings in Hayensworth and a vet QB and drafts a WR and RB on the first day then they could easily be competitive imo.

Bringing in Haynesworth would be a HUGE mistake IMHO. He has never played a complete season, takes plays off, and has only had his best years when looking towards making a statement for his next new contract. NO THANKS!My buddy and I were talking about just letting all these guys go. Why not try to trade some of them for some leverage to make a bigger move like going for Boldin or something?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If Tampa brings in Hayensworth and a vet QB and drafts a WR and RB on the first day then they could easily be competitive imo.

Bringing in Haynesworth would be a HUGE mistake IMHO. He has never played a complete season, takes plays off, and has only had his best years when looking towards making a statement for his next new contract. NO THANKS!My buddy and I were talking about just letting all these guys go. Why not try to trade some of them for some leverage to make a bigger move like going for Boldin or something?

none of those guys TB released would net TB anything in a trade.

 

[bucsbaby]

The Bucs need a big, bigtime DT. Maybe Hayensworth pans out, maybe he doesn't, but if he does it would be HUGE for the Bucs. DT is their biggest need on the defensive side of the ball. I can't see anyone else coming in and having the same potential as Hayensworth would have. If there are other potential great DTs out there TB could bring in, so be it, but tell me who that would be.

 

[DenverBuc]

The Bucs need a big, bigtime DT. Maybe Hayensworth pans out, maybe he doesn't, but if he does it would be HUGE for the Bucs. DT is their biggest need on the defensive side of the ball. I can't see anyone else coming in and having the same potential as Hayensworth would have. If there are other potential great DTs out there TB could bring in, so be it, but tell me who that would be.

I am not saying there are better or even other guys to bring in for that kind of impact, but to lock in the kind of money he is talking about would be bad not only because of his part-time playing status, but also because if he didn't pan out it would cripple the team, financially.

 

[DenverBuc]

If Tampa brings in Hayensworth and a vet QB and drafts a WR and RB on the first day then they could easily be competitive imo.

Bringing in Haynesworth would be a HUGE mistake IMHO. He has never played a complete season, takes plays off, and has only had his best years when looking towards making a statement for his next new contract. NO THANKS!My buddy and I were talking about just letting all these guys go. Why not try to trade some of them for some leverage to make a bigger move like going for Boldin or something?

none of those guys TB released would net TB anything in a trade.

I don't think you can be so sure. A conditional draft pick for Brooks could be in the cards. Maybe even for Galloway or Dunn, but I know that is probably less likely. What about June - conditional draft pick may work there, too.I don't know. You may be right, but I wonder if they even tried before they made the cuts.