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Am I missing something this week with Williams being ranked so low? The Raven D is decent, but I see TB having some success through the air. Also, Baltimore's offense should put up a lot of points against the Buc D, which will cause Freeman to have to air it out much more than he has the past few weeks.

Thoughts?

 
Yeah seems odd to me as well. I think after today's rankings come out things will start to fall back into place. I had a simalar question with Marshall being ranked 18th this week. I think anyone in their right mind would start Williams over Marshall (if he even plays)

 
Okay, so I'm not crazy. I know Benn is starting to come on, but this looks to be a game where Williams could explode with 100 plus yards and 2 TD's

 
the rankings in general seem more out of whack than a nornaml Wed. edition IMO.

Colston (Cowboys always have problems with big WRs) highest Saint WR @ 26

Miles Austin . ranked lower than vincent jax and Sidney Rice...

Desean Jackson ...34 ??

Mike Thomas top 15 @ NYG ..? This isnt cleveland or houston's pass rush Garrard will be facing.

odd... odd stuff

 
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Mike Williams (SEA) is not ranked at all after two straight weeks with over 100 receiving and two straight of Hass throwing for 300+

I don't think I'll be subscribing again next year. The rankings are so completely conservative they bunch all receivers together, and half the time they are either thrown together or make very little sense.

 
the odd thing is that vick is the #1 QB this week....

but his top 2 WRs are 27 & 34 ...

and his TE is non existent...

so are they predicting him to hit McCoy out of the backfield..?? nope...ranked late 20's....

I guess Mike is going to be doing a lot of running for all those QB#1 points.

 
Brian St.Pierre was able to throw a 80 yd TD against the Ravens after hanging up his apron, dropping the kids off and driving over to the stadium. Baltimore is now about offensive shootouts.

 
Tues rankings do not factor practice reports and matchups. Expect them all to change by Friday if not sooner.
:lmao: So the Tues/ Wed rankings are just a list of players names...?? Even with 3 Thursday games...??If so , there is no point to them really.... :thumbup:
 
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TE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!

 
More ranking awesomeness. Check out TEs

TE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!
You have all the top 12 TEs this week on your roster?
 
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TE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!
Honest question here... are you more concerned about the stack rank of positions or the delta between P1 and P12 for any position?I understand your feedback. It's a fair point to make. However, if the point about weekly projections is more to understand the stack rank of players at any given position (or flex positions which compare multiple positions), then it's less an issue. Your point is also applicable to pre-season projections. Most projections end up looking more like hedges than "going out on a limb".

On another note, Dodds ranks 3rd among 38 industry experts that do weekly projections. So, perhaps this study isn't accounting for the delta either?

Your point is well taken, but I suppose it comes down to how you're using the projections..

 
More ranking awesomeness. Check out TEs

TE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!
Honest question here... are you more concerned about the stack rank of positions or the delta between P1 and P12 for any position?I understand your feedback. It's a fair point to make. However, if the point about weekly projections is more to understand the stack rank of players at any given position (or flex positions which compare multiple positions), then it's less an issue. Your point is also applicable to pre-season projections. Most projections end up looking more like hedges than "going out on a limb".

On another note, Dodds ranks 3rd among 38 industry experts that do weekly projections. So, perhaps this study isn't accounting for the delta either?

Your point is well taken, but I suppose it comes down to how you're using the projections..
I definitely understand your point, but I think he makes a good point as well.When I am trying to decide between the 5th or 25th ranked WR on the list, logically I will assume that the person ranked #5 is better. When you look at the actual point projections however, it could be a case where #5 is projected for 4 catches and 66 yards, and #25 is projected for 3 catches for 66 yards. If we are only supposed to use the rankings, then maybe the projections should be left off entirely?

 
the odd thing is that vick is the #1 QB this week....

but his top 2 WRs are 27 & 34 ...

and his TE is non existent...

so are they predicting him to hit McCoy out of the backfield..?? nope...ranked late 20's....

I guess Mike is going to be doing a lot of running for all those QB#1 points.
From the projections, if you click on the team link you can verify that the passing numbers and receiving numbers match up. (And yes, Vick's rushing definitely helps. His projected 40 rushing yards are worth about an extra 100 passing yards.)
 
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More ranking awesomeness. Check out TEs

TE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!
Honest question here... are you more concerned about the stack rank of positions or the delta between P1 and P12 for any position?I understand your feedback. It's a fair point to make. However, if the point about weekly projections is more to understand the stack rank of players at any given position (or flex positions which compare multiple positions), then it's less an issue. Your point is also applicable to pre-season projections. Most projections end up looking more like hedges than "going out on a limb".

On another note, Dodds ranks 3rd among 38 industry experts that do weekly projections. So, perhaps this study isn't accounting for the delta either?

Your point is well taken, but I suppose it comes down to how you're using the projections..
I definitely understand your point, but I think he makes a good point as well.When I am trying to decide between the 5th or 25th ranked WR on the list, logically I will assume that the person ranked #5 is better. When you look at the actual point projections however, it could be a case where #5 is projected for 4 catches and 66 yards, and #25 is projected for 3 catches for 66 yards. If we are only supposed to use the rankings, then maybe the projections should be left off entirely?
But FF is a stats game. Looking at projected stats makes people happy! :rolleyes:

 
the odd thing is that vick is the #1 QB this week....

but his top 2 WRs are 27 & 34 ...

and his TE is non existent...

so are they predicting him to hit McCoy out of the backfield..?? nope...ranked late 20's....

I guess Mike is going to be doing a lot of running for all those QB#1 points.
Are the QB rankings based on "rushing YDS" vs "passing YDS" and "rushing TD's" vs "passing TD's" being worth twice as much?If so that would make sense in Vick's case.

 
Am I missing something this week with Williams being ranked so low? The Raven D is decent, but I see TB having some success through the air. Also, Baltimore's offense should put up a lot of points against the Buc D, which will cause Freeman to have to air it out much more than he has the past few weeks.Thoughts?
I do think the Bucs have a tough matchup this week. Baltimore is giving up only 5.9 net yards per pass attempt.Vegas is also doubtful that the Bucs will score much this week. They are 7.5-point underdogs with an over/under of 41 — which projects them to score only 16.75 points. (That's about 14.25 offensive points, which is about 1.6 TDs and a field goal; so Williams is projected to get about 25% of the Bucs' expected TDs. Only Blount is projected to get more.)
 
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Am I missing something this week with Williams being ranked so low? The Raven D is decent, but I see TB having some success through the air. Also, Baltimore's offense should put up a lot of points against the Buc D, which will cause Freeman to have to air it out much more than he has the past few weeks.Thoughts?
I do think the Bucs have a tough matchup this week. Baltimore is giving up only 5.9 net yards per pass attempt.
They've also given up more than 290 passing yards in four of their past six games. The only two games they didn't they allowed 231 to Henne and last week against a QB the Panthers found at the drug store. And as posted earlier even he dropped an 80-yard TD on them. Now in this totally wild, matchups mean absolutely nothing season, anything can happen. But on paper, the Ravens' pass defense is a major weakness. They have been lit up a lot lately. This is looking like a plus matchup for the Bucs' passing game. Maybe they don't get it done but plenty of other teams have carved this defense up and spit 'em out the past two months with ease.
 
Okay, so I'm not crazy. I know Benn is starting to come on, but this looks to be a game where Williams could explode with 100 plus yards and 2 TD's
That's a pretty bold statement considering that Williams has only topped 100 yds once this season. And looking at TB's schedule so far in 2010 it has been Cupcake City.
 
More ranking awesomeness. Check out TEsTE1 is expected to net exactly 1.5 FPTs better than TE12, so absolutely no help there at all. Also, top guy is expected to go for a whopping 5-52 and has less than 50/50 at getting a TD. How is this at all helpful if all they do is hedge their bets and never go out on a limb? At least two TEs have had close to or above 100 yards receiving each of the last 4 weeks. Go out on a #######g limb already and make a statement with these projections. Take some risks!
I think we also don't see much seperation at the top 12 TE's this year is the loss of maybe the top 3 TE's in the league. Finley, Clark and now Gates are out and guys like Witten and Gonzales have been underperforming slightly. There's no good reason for any of the top 12 TE's this week to be ranked significantly higher. It doesn't mean a few won't perform that way. IMO, the projections should be what is most likely to happen. I don't want the projections to go out on a limb.
 
Why pay for rankings anyways? Makes no sense to me.
Valid point here. There is so much information out there where people should do some of their own thinking. Why play this game if you use draft dominator and fbg rankings religiously. I could create a program to do that and set it prior to week one and come back week seventeen and see how I did. What fun is that. I use fbg but not to run my team for me.
 
Tues rankings do not factor practice reports and matchups. Expect them all to change by Friday if not sooner.
I understand producing in-depth rankings things take time.... so if the result of getting something out quickly is a list sufficiently out of whack as to not be very useful, why not simply wait to issue the rankings until there has been time to do it right?
 
Tues rankings do not factor practice reports and matchups. Expect them all to change by Friday if not sooner.
I understand producing in-depth rankings things take time.... so if the result of getting something out quickly is a list sufficiently out of whack as to not be very useful, why not simply wait to issue the rankings until there has been time to do it right?
I feel for Bryant and Dodds, they get flack for putting up things too late, they get flack for putting things up too soon. It's impossible to please everybody. Happy Thanksgiving guys, don't let the turkeys get you down!
 
Why pay for rankings anyways? Makes no sense to me.
Valid point here. There is so much information out there where people should do some of their own thinking. Why play this game if you use draft dominator and fbg rankings religiously. I could create a program to do that and set it prior to week one and come back week seventeen and see how I did. What fun is that. I use fbg but not to run my team for me.
DD is worth the subscription price alone...and before you even say it, no I don't let it draft for me. It's an awesome program that allows me to track the draft with ease and well worth $20 when I do at least 3-4 redrafts a year. All the other stuff is just gravy to me. I don't read any of the articles and I only use the cheatsheets as a sanity check, never a deciding factor. Paying for a subscription and having FBG run your team is not exactly analogous. It's basically like saying you should never buy a poker book, cause what fun is it having somebody else teach you optimal strategy.
 
Tues rankings do not factor practice reports and matchups. Expect them all to change by Friday if not sooner.
I understand producing in-depth rankings things take time.... so if the result of getting something out quickly is a list sufficiently out of whack as to not be very useful, why not simply wait to issue the rankings until there has been time to do it right?
I feel for Bryant and Dodds, they get flack for putting up things too late, they get flack for putting things up too soon. It's impossible to please everybody. Happy Thanksgiving guys, don't let the turkeys get you down!
I don't. It's a business. They promise things by a certain time and repeatedly fail to live up to those promises. I think people are generally quite civil to fbg's when they screw up.
 
Why pay for rankings anyways? Makes no sense to me.
Valid point here. There is so much information out there where people should do some of their own thinking. Why play this game if you use draft dominator and fbg rankings religiously. I could create a program to do that and set it prior to week one and come back week seventeen and see how I did. What fun is that. I use fbg but not to run my team for me.
DD is worth the subscription price alone...and before you even say it, no I don't let it draft for me. It's an awesome program that allows me to track the draft with ease and well worth $20 when I do at least 3-4 redrafts a year. All the other stuff is just gravy to me. I don't read any of the articles and I only use the cheatsheets as a sanity check, never a deciding factor. Paying for a subscription and having FBG run your team is not exactly analogous. It's basically like saying you should never buy a poker book, cause what fun is it having somebody else teach you optimal strategy.
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Am I missing something this week with Williams being ranked so low? The Raven D is decent, but I see TB having some success through the air. Also, Baltimore's offense should put up a lot of points against the Buc D, which will cause Freeman to have to air it out much more than he has the past few weeks.Thoughts?
My thoughts are that you should be back here giving kudos to the guys that did the rankings. Even though they gave him too much credit - they were a lot more accurate than those of us that put him into our lineup anyway. :lmao:
 
If you are going to be anal enough to come in and start a thread about the specific rating of one guy for one week, you should come in here and at least say, 'good job'. If someone were to start a thread and say, 'hey this guy is consistently overrated by Dodds'--then provide some numbers to back it up--I am a lot more interested than someone just calling him crazy for one call, especially when they back it up with strong reasons like: "The Raven D is decent, but I see TB having some success through the air".

At this point in the season, I'm not sure who really needs week-to-week WR rankings. Do people use them? Aren't there better ways to decide between two of your WRs than someone else's rankings?

 

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