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That tweet is terrible
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That tweet is terrible
I replied to him on Twitter.
I've been all over this in the TE thread.
His major point is no target competition and
of snaps with Ward.DMR and Gunner had snaps with Ward too. 2 and 3 TE sets. It was not "only him."
He may have more target competition than any TE in the league. Whyle started some games and was listed as the first string TE all year with a / between the two.
Whyle is fourth now and a distinct drop-off to him. All four have received first string snaps since day one of spring.
In April? May?
The GM said how they evaluate at three years and give players time to develop and that way they don't get too high or too low on a player. They make contract offers based off that.
They did not make an offer to Chig. They drafted Gunner.
Chig has not started (not injury related per se) at least five starts in every season. That's three years of times that a coach went some other direction.
He's only been good for like 4-500 yards every year. He's like Pitts light. Super athletic but can't block well and won't box out and won't sit and put a defender on his back- play TE as a TE should.
He had a bad year last year. Real bad. 10 games of less than twenty yards. He perked up and had a couple gems but did the Titans see him as the future? No they gave Whyle and DMR starts. See he's done it before. He makes an ooh ahh play and the fantasy world and casuals think incorrect things.
Look at his first half of 2024
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The Titans were so bad people ignored them and I get that, but to think this kid is still all that...
BUT he is a starter and hope is fine. We've all got our guys and maybe the fourth year is the charm, IDC who likes the guy as a prospect to each their own...but to act like he's secure and post all that. No way. Not at all.
He's been rumored to be traded since January and it still pops up every now n then.
And "Chig played more down the stretch"...yeah on special teams. He went from 19% snaps on ST to 37% also not something that a top TE secure in his job does. He didn't play the last week either.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Helluva an informed post Bri. Invaluable man.I replied to him on Twitter.
I've been all over this in the TE thread.
His major point is no target competition and
DMR and Gunner had snaps with Ward too. 2 and 3 TE sets. It was not "only him."
He may have more target competition than any TE in the league. Whyle started some games and was listed as the first string TE all year with a / between the two.
Whyle is fourth now and a distinct drop-off to him. All four have received first string snaps since day one of spring.
In April? May?
The GM said how they evaluate at three years and give players time to develop and that way they don't get too high or too low on a player. They make contract offers based off that.
They did not make an offer to Chig. They drafted Gunner.
Chig has not started (not injury related per se) at least five starts in every season. That's three years of times that a coach went some other direction.
He's only been good for like 4-500 yards every year. He's like Pitts light. Super athletic but can't block well and won't box out and won't sit and put a defender on his back- play TE as a TE should.
He had a bad year last year. Real bad. 10 games of less than twenty yards. He perked up and had a couple gems but did the Titans see him as the future? No they gave Whyle and DMR starts. See he's done it before. He makes an ooh ahh play and the fantasy world and casuals think incorrect things.
Look at his first half of 2024
Chigoziem Okonkwo Career Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Get Chigoziem Okonkwo Career game log for regular season and playoff games on Pro-football-reference.com.
The Titans were so bad people ignored them and I get that, but to think this kid is still all that...
BUT he is a starter and hope is fine. We've all got our guys and maybe the fourth year is the charm, IDC who likes the guy as a prospect to each their own...but to act like he's secure and post all that. No way. Not at all.
He's been rumored to be traded since January and it still pops up every now n then.
And "Chig played more down the stretch"...yeah on special teams. He went from 19% snaps on ST to 37% also not something that a top TE secure in his job does. He didn't play the last week either.
. Was hoping he was turning a corner with his finish last year and the "100% of Ward snaps" 1st pre season game. Maybe some showcasing going on....Radio hosts arguing if he had 1,2, or 3 catches in preseason and what did ya really see from him this summer?
Turns into very much a classic Chig discussion about elite athleticism and lack of blocking and...
I think it's fair to say he's the same dude he was and there wasn't some grand improvement. Every discussion sounds like a possible replay of prior audio
Turns into very much a classic Chig discussion about elite athleticism and lack of blocking and...
I think it's fair to say he's the same dude he was and there wasn't some grand improvement. Every discussion sounds like a possible replay of prior audio
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Any updates on Chig? Did he win the TE1 spot?
Also did Cam throw to his TEs often in college?
Also did Cam throw to his TEs often in college?
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I don't think there was ever any doubt Chig would lose his spot and both ESPN and ourlads list him as the starting TE. They released Whyle and everyone else. Helm and DMR are the only others. Bri dislikes Chig a bit and thinks he'd be a better fit at WR than TE since he can't block. Maybe so but with improved QB play I'm hoping he'd do a little better yard and TD wise.
I don't know about college but NFL rookie QBs are notorious for throwing to their safety net.
seems kinda dumb. ESPN lists him with 1 catch on 1 target for 10 yards. I assume they used him sparingly to avoid any injury and they knew what they had.
Ward had Arroyo in college. Supposedly he's done very well in Seattle this summer. Many thought the Titans would take him instead of Gunnar. So there is that propensity to throw to the TE.
Look up Chig at PFR, he was brutal most weeks last year.
Week one is going to probably be very interesting.
Surtain is going to clamp down on Ridley pretty much right?
So who steps up? They're a very good defense that should handle Pollard ok so that too comes back to who steps up?
I think Chig and the two older WRs are on the spot right away.
He played an H-back role and it was weird.
Maybe a fine concept for a play here n there.
As Joe Gibbs made famous, he's an extra blocker and possibly run across the back of the line and into the void where the WR1 left for a short pass. It might be a fine concept. I'd take Chig racing up the sideline against any DB but he's like the last option for Cam in this setup.
When Gunnar was in the rookie played TE as you'd traditionally think of it. That was first half though and Gunnar didn't seem to play much in the second half. Bengals offense? The TE was definitely extra then
Maybe a fine concept for a play here n there.
As Joe Gibbs made famous, he's an extra blocker and possibly run across the back of the line and into the void where the WR1 left for a short pass. It might be a fine concept. I'd take Chig racing up the sideline against any DB but he's like the last option for Cam in this setup.
When Gunnar was in the rookie played TE as you'd traditionally think of it. That was first half though and Gunnar didn't seem to play much in the second half. Bengals offense? The TE was definitely extra then
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rockaction
Footballguy
Okonkwo ran 28 routes in 50 snaps, according to PFF. Gunnar Helm was in for 23 plays and ran 6 routes. This seems like an odd comment. Perhaps you're right about Joe Gibbs.
Not following how my comment is odd not the offense.
I changed a "he" to "the rookie" in case it's me and pronouns.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was more clarifying that he wasn't a guy who was constantly blocking in the backfield and that he ran a lot of routes. I thought the reader would be better off with that information. When you write that "He played an H-back role" I put myself in a reader's shoes and sort of figured they wouldn't come to the conclusion he was running that many routes. Perhaps it was a poor assumption on my part.
I mentioned going into the void where the WR1 left and short passes
Idk man. I need more coffee
RT JC Latham has a long lingering hip injury that took him out of the game for the last 12 snaps or so last week.
He was not allowed to talk to the press after the game and again Wednesday.
The Rams are as great as anyone at getting after the QB so Chig may become more blocker than receiver to help the replacement tackle (Udoh.)
He was not allowed to talk to the press after the game and again Wednesday.
The Rams are as great as anyone at getting after the QB so Chig may become more blocker than receiver to help the replacement tackle (Udoh.)
From zero to three passes over the middle. As I mentioned last week, this is a big concern as the Titans must make defenses play the middle of the field.
Chig's 4 for 35 is ok but if you consider his kongest came when he was lined out wide and the slots are doing "nothing" and the Titans allowed 5-6 sacks today....there is a glaring need for more Gunnar.
Chig has largely played an H-back role this brief season.
He's caddy corner to the line or a smidge off being the sixth down lineman.
He generally "leaks" to the sideline and the timing is almost never there. Ward's eyes are elsewhere.
He has been the third down back/fb and went for the dump pass but the time I noticed he chose wrong and should have picked up the blitzers.
He lined out wide once or twice.
His blocking has been "getting in the way" and quite poor.
This seems like a Callahan new wrinkle that's flopping.
I could see it working for FF and he have a good week with a bunch of dump passes.
The Titans need an over the middle threat. As I've said in other threads it's been brought up on the radio a few times each week. Cam has 3 or 4 passes total in two games. The people discussing say it's about mandatory for an offense to at least threaten the middle of the field
He's caddy corner to the line or a smidge off being the sixth down lineman.
He generally "leaks" to the sideline and the timing is almost never there. Ward's eyes are elsewhere.
He has been the third down back/fb and went for the dump pass but the time I noticed he chose wrong and should have picked up the blitzers.
He lined out wide once or twice.
His blocking has been "getting in the way" and quite poor.
This seems like a Callahan new wrinkle that's flopping.
I could see it working for FF and he have a good week with a bunch of dump passes.
The Titans need an over the middle threat. As I've said in other threads it's been brought up on the radio a few times each week. Cam has 3 or 4 passes total in two games. The people discussing say it's about mandatory for an offense to at least threaten the middle of the field
I assume Chig yelled "boo" at the DL on this play
LaQuan Jones
Chig Okonkwo breakout quietly brewing…
Week 1: 3 catches, 19 yards, aDot 3.7
Week 2: 4 catches, 35 yards, aDot 2.5
Week 3: 5 catches, 66 yards, aDot 6.5
Play calling already changed hands?
Dropped a pass that could’ve exploded for massive yards..
Not a bad TE pick up if you're in need
Chig targets
It'll be a shock if Chig isn't traded. Rumors so very strong.
McCoy praised TE coach Luke Stocker for his work with Gunnar and DMR.
They're so ready too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed Whyle off GB practice squad to be the third TE after a Chig trade.
My issue has constantly been that the value of players now is so minimal yet the rest of the year it's considerably more
McCoy praised TE coach Luke Stocker for his work with Gunnar and DMR.
They're so ready too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed Whyle off GB practice squad to be the third TE after a Chig trade.
My issue has constantly been that the value of players now is so minimal yet the rest of the year it's considerably more
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Great question
Not really
It's been so long just about any team comes up
Elite athlete that's a willing but not good blocker.
"Kyle Pitts light" a few years ago still seems fair.
Some have said the Pats
Any TE gets suggested for Arthur Smith but I don't think they have a need.
Miami would be a very good situation for him but the worst losing NFL teams are stupid and don't add affordable players until after they're gutted. Note Titans have plenty of cap and only talk of them getting rid of players too.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I’m trying to figure out why this guy draws any significant FF interest. He is around a TE30 +/- year after year ppw and has some serious flaws as a player that keep him from likely being any greater factor in the future. What exactly is the fascination?
He has a four(ish) good game streak each year
At some point, maybe it's wise to ride that hot hand for a few weeks
I think Gunnar ensures it's not likely this year if he's not traded. Gunnar is pretty much following the standard development arc.
Chig is pretty much following the TE didn't become a blocker arc too
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Nah not me but trying to find logic is all
