TE data - Targets, Snaps, Routes, Blocking %, Alignment (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

Love this thread

 

[OU#1]

The 5-82 line tonight by Goedert is a gold mine compared to most of the numbers we’re seeing so far.

5-82 on 6 targets

Irv Smith also had 5-38-1 on 8 targets

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tight End Snap Counts Week 2

 

[BobbyLayne]

Top Ten Route Data

Full Table tomorrow

	Route Data
Team	Team	Route %	Blocking %	Routes	Plays	Snaps	Targets
Travis Kelce	KC	70.00%	8.90%	63	90	90	16
Gerald Everett	LAC	60.90%	9.80%	56	92	92	14
Hayden Hurst	CIN	72.50%	2.90%	50	69	69	8
Darren Waller	LV	73.50%	2.90%	50	68	81	14
Tyler Conklin	NYJ	63.90%	13.90%	46	72	72	7
Dalton Schultz	DAL	68.80%	6.30%	44	64	64	9
Tyler Higbee	LAR	69.40%	4.80%	43	62	62	11
Evan Engram	JAX	81.81%	2.30%	36	44	44	4
Dallas Goedert	PHI	48.50%	15.20%	32	66	66	4
Tre' McKitty	LAC	39.00%	15.60%	30	77	77	4

 

[zamboni]

Top Ten Route Data

Full Table tomorrow

	Route Data
Team	Team	Route %	Blocking %	Routes	Plays	Snaps	Targets
Travis Kelce	KC	70.00%	8.90%	63	90	90	16
Gerald Everett	LAC	60.90%	9.80%	56	92	92	14
Hayden Hurst	CIN	72.50%	2.90%	50	69	69	8
Darren Waller	LV	73.50%	2.90%	50	68	81	14
Tyler Conklin	NYJ	63.90%	13.90%	46	72	72	7
Dalton Schultz	DAL	68.80%	6.30%	44	64	64	9
Tyler Higbee	LAR	69.40%	4.80%	43	62	62	11
Evan Engram	JAX	81.81%	2.30%	36	44	44	4
Dallas Goedert	PHI	48.50%	15.20%	32	66	66	4
Tre' McKitty	LAC	39.00%	15.60%	30	77	77	4

That Engram route % really stands out IMO. From what I've gathered from a lot of analysts that really track this stuff, an 80% route rate or higher is pretty elite in terms of TE usage.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Standard redraft, which one of the 2 LA teams TE's?

 

[zamboni]

Standard redraft, which one of the 2 LA teams TE's?

That's a close one. I might go with Higbee because Everett's looks probably take a bit of a hit once Keenan returns.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Standard redraft, which one of the 2 LA teams TE's?

Yes

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Standard redraft, which one of the 2 LA teams TE's?

Yes

Always gotta be a funny guy in the crowd.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Standard redraft, which one of the 2 LA teams TE's?

Yes

Always gotta be a funny guy in the crowd.

Like em’ both

 

[packer_junkie]

Everett > Higbee

As good as Allen and Williams are-- Kupp is another animal.
Herbert > stafford too

 

[Boone22]

Everett > Higbee

As good as Allen and Williams are-- Kupp is another animal.
Herbert > stafford too

Agree with your comments but we also need to consider a healthy Parham. I expect him to steal goal line looks (at a minimum).

 

[zamboni]

Everett > Higbee

As good as Allen and Williams are-- Kupp is another animal.
Herbert > stafford too

Agree with your comments but we also need to consider a healthy Parham. I expect him to steal goal line looks (at a minimum).

McKitty is also involved as shown upthread. When Parnham is healthy, they may not dress all three of them, but it does seem that Everett has to contend with other TEs. Higbee seems to have the job mainly to himself.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Top Ten Route Data

Full Table tomorrow

	Route Data
Team	Team	Route %	Blocking %	Routes	Plays	Snaps	Targets
Travis Kelce	KC	70.00%	8.90%	63	90	90	16
Gerald Everett	LAC	60.90%	9.80%	56	92	92	14
Hayden Hurst	CIN	72.50%	2.90%	50	69	69	8
Darren Waller	LV	73.50%	2.90%	50	68	81	14
Tyler Conklin	NYJ	63.90%	13.90%	46	72	72	7
Dalton Schultz	DAL	68.80%	6.30%	44	64	64	9
Tyler Higbee	LAR	69.40%	4.80%	43	62	62	11
Evan Engram	JAX	81.81%	2.30%	36	44	44	4
Dallas Goedert	PHI	48.50%	15.20%	32	66	66	4
Tre' McKitty	LAC	39.00%	15.60%	30	77	77	4

That Engram route % really stands out IMO. From what I've gathered from a lot of analysts that really track this stuff, an 80% route rate or higher is pretty elite in terms of TE usage.

Ever since he's been in the league, Engram has basically been incapable of blocking. I think you have no worries on that front.

He also has a good shot at being one of his team's top two targets. Only threats are MJones and Etienne.

Throw in a seemingly functional offense and I think he has the best chance to be this year's late-round breakout. Which of course doesn't mean it will happen

 

[greyhorse]

Love this thread.
Thoughts on Irv Smith? If he hadn't let that 60 yarder go right through his hands, he would be a hot waiver pickup, especially since he was likely dropped after week 1.

Engram has route %, but I'm going to guess his aDOT is pretty low. Doesn't look like very high upside, but I guess you could do worse than 7 catches for 46 yards.

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

For those of us stuck in tight end wasteland in deep leagues (I'm assuming Higbee, Everett, and Logan Thomas already owned), I think we're likely looking at Conklin, Engram, Likely, or Juwan Johnson.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Everett > Higbee

As good as Allen and Williams are-- Kupp is another animal.
Herbert > stafford too

Agree with your comments but we also need to consider a healthy Parham. I expect him to steal goal line looks (at a minimum).

McKitty is also involved as shown upthread. When Parnham is healthy, they may not dress all three of them, but it does seem that Everett has to contend with other TEs. Higbee seems to have the job mainly to himself.

Parnham has been an in-line blocking TE who rarely lines up in the slot or wide. Occasionally stays in to block. All of which points to lower route participation.

He will see RZ looks - 3 TDs each of his first two seasons, Herbert trusts him - but I don’t think he will significantly impact the Everett.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

For those of us stuck in tight end wasteland in deep leagues (I'm assuming Higbee, Everett, and Logan Thomas already owned), I think we're likely looking at Conklin, Engram, Likely, or Juwan Johnson.

Leaving aside Likely for a moment (see previous post), I would rank the others Engram >>>>>>>>>>>> Johnson>Conklin. Engram has been an elite TE before and has the highest upside. With JJ and Conklin, the best you can really hope for is that they become usable starters (I suppose it's always possible they could go Full Barnidge, but I wouldn't bet on it)

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

So you're saying it's not likely.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

So you're saying it's not likely.

Not only is it not likely, it's not Likely

 

[flapgreen]

Going after Johnson in bidding tonight. Can't imagine he'll cost much.

 

[Lansdowne]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

The 2019 Eagles had two startable TEs in Ertz (finished 5th in fantasy among TEs) and Goedert (finished 10th). Apart from them the Gronk/Hernandez pairing was the only other one I could find that fit the criteria.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

The 2019 Eagles had two startable TEs in Ertz (finished 5th in fantasy among TEs) and Goedert (finished 10th). Apart from them the Gronk/Hernandez pairing was the only other one I could find that fit the criteria.

2018 BAL was throwing to four different TEs, rookie Andrews was the only streamer at TE17. But it was a fascinating TE room: Nick Boyle, Maxx Williams, and Hayden Hurst finished TE48, TE57, and TE60.

2019: TE5, TE35, TE37 (sans Maxx who went to the desert.) The bottom two soaked up 80 targets and 61-670-4.

Then Hurst escaped to ATL and Boyle became injury prone. It was a run.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Glad Kittle is trending toward playing this week, but I kind of feel like given his fragile health, I have to hold on to Engram for now. 12-team league and I'm pretty confident he would get scooped up if I let him go

 

[Rockchild]

Can Isaiah Likely become the third option in Baltimore?

I don't see it. Outside of the brief window when Gronk and the Murderer were both Top 5 options, have there been any other situations where a team had two startable TEs?

So you're saying it's not likely.

Not only is it not likely, it's not Likely

But it would be like Likely to be likely.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Schultz not a practicing again, seems unlikely he’ll be playing Monday night

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Gerald Everett is like 3-3 on good games vs duds or limited production but I want to say that he seems to be involved on a lot of snaps. The Chargers have no problem deploying Everett and Parham on several TE sets. I think Everett is a sneaky play this week at Tight End, even in the flex for leagues that allow it and I am looking at him closely this week.

Zach Ertz continues to pay dividends.
Dawson Knox continues to float on the waiver wires in a lot of my redrafts, think he's well worth the pick up, 35/TD last week, he'll be up and down but he's just coming off injuries going back to vicious take down in Week 1, I was surprised he didn't break something on that play. He's just getting healthy and they have issues at WR all the time, injuries is what I mean vs skill set, they got plenty of talent but Knox can get 30-40 and a TD just eating the bread crumbs in this offense.
587/9TDs a year ago, he's TD dependent but he's likely to hit a TD 2-3x in the next 4 weeks with Jets Vikes and Browns as some of the better match ups for him. On a bye week this week so nobody will grab him, makes an excellent TE2 if you have that kind of roster and flexibility. Some leagues you see teams only carry 1 TE like they do at QB.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Last 4 Weeks:

		Route Data
Name	Team	Route %	Blocking %	Routes	Snaps	Targets

Greg Dulcich	DEN	60.2	8.4	100	166	12
Dawson Knox	BUF	59.4	6.7	98	165	15
T.J. Hockenson	MIN	57.8	13.9	96	166	25
Travis Kelce	KC	61.4	16.3	94	153	25
Foster Moreau	LV	46.5	11.0	93	200	14
Evan Engram	JAX	66.7	8.6	70	105	5
Dalton Schultz	DAL	42.3	13.5	69	163	17
Pat Freiermuth	PIT	68.3	4.0	69	101	19
Mark Andrews	BAL	57.6	4.2	68	118	15
Jordan Akins	HOU	77.0	9.2	67	87	11

 

[jobarules]

Two guys I likes as possible streamers this week both play in the same game. Logan Thomas vs a NYG team who is bad vs TE and Daniel Bellinger for a NYG team desperate for receiving options.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Two guys I likes as possible streamers this week both play in the same game. Logan Thomas vs a NYG team who is bad vs TE and Daniel Bellinger for a NYG team desperate for receiving options.

Logan was losing targets to John Bates last week. He ran 119 routes the first 4 games (29.8 /g.) Since returning from injury, he's run 94 in 5 g, average of 18.8.

Like the Bellinger call, he seems to have good chemistry with Jones. But the BAL game was the only time this season he's run more than 17 routes but some of the peripherals are good. Low ADOT but he does have decent YAC numbers (6.5) and he was targeted on 24.2% of his routes run Weeks 3-6. If his snap count resembles how they used him versus the Ravens he might have a good stretch run.