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TE Irv Smith Jr. - CIN (1 Viewer)
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Dropped him when needed roster spot in Dec.... regret it slightly now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I feel very confident he can be just as good, if not better, than Hurst. I'm happy about the landing spot obviously.
Well, other than that he's always hurt and hardly ever plays, he could do really well.
But hope springs eternal that he stays healthy
Dez
Footballguy
This is the year !
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ja'Marr Chase hyped about Bengals adding Irv Smith Jr. to offense
... there are plenty of reasons for fans to look forward to his fit in the offense as the No. 1 tight end after the team didn’t use one of its eight draft picks on the position.
... there are plenty of reasons for fans to look forward to his fit in the offense as the No. 1 tight end after the team didn’t use one of its eight draft picks on the position.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's really saying something in one of the best TE drafts in a decade.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Post-post hype sleeper?
I’ll be targeting him in my upcoming start-up draft. It’s TE-P, and he could be a sneaky good pick after the big name options are off the board.
Before the NFL draft I was going to target whomever the Bengals drafted at TE. Same difference bringing in Smith.
Couple years of disappointment might have some managers gun shy.
I’ll be targeting him in my upcoming start-up draft. It’s TE-P, and he could be a sneaky good pick after the big name options are off the board.
Before the NFL draft I was going to target whomever the Bengals drafted at TE. Same difference bringing in Smith.
Couple years of disappointment might have some managers gun shy.
Solid thought especially considering his age and draft pedigree actually stacks up favorably with some of the top drafted TE's. 50th pick in the draft, actually a tad younger then Schoonmaker, just a little over a year older then Kincaid. With learning curve often associated with a lot of young TE's getting a ready made one at a that age has some appeal.
It's not like he's look bad. Just been injured a lot and was not a focal point of the offense.
Before Hurst got banged up in week 12 I think he was on a 90 target pace. If you give Irv 90 targets he'll probably hover in the 65'ish catch range.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And from what I’ve read, Schoonmaker is more of a blocking TE, while Peyton Hendershot is more of a receiver. DAL may try to flip them around, but for this year I’m slightly bullish on Hendershot as a sleeper.
I’d much rather have Irv than Hendershot, or most of the rookie TEs for that matter.
He’s sort of the Rashod Bateman of TEs right now. There are a lot of parallels.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I did not know he signed in Cincinnati
We've seen what Tight Ends can do with Joe Burrow and the HC likes to draw up plays for them
I would think he could be drafted as your TE2 if your roster holds it.
Ranked 27th right now, he's going to be undrafted in a lot of leagues and I like the upside of the Bengals offense.
I could see pairing him with a TE like Kmet or Everett and have a solid option at Tight End without burning a high draft pick on TE
I usually do not take a Tight End in the first 5-6 rounds, sometimes more like 10-11.
We've seen what Tight Ends can do with Joe Burrow and the HC likes to draw up plays for them
I would think he could be drafted as your TE2 if your roster holds it.
Ranked 27th right now, he's going to be undrafted in a lot of leagues and I like the upside of the Bengals offense.
I could see pairing him with a TE like Kmet or Everett and have a solid option at Tight End without burning a high draft pick on TE
I usually do not take a Tight End in the first 5-6 rounds, sometimes more like 10-11.
Pretty sure Jake Ferguson is the Cowboys starting TE this year. He's a better receiver than Schoonmaker or Hendershot. I do agree that Schoonmaker is probably more of a blocker.
Irv Smith is probably a more talented player than either Hayden Hurst or CJ Uzomah were. I liked the flier by the Bengals, but fantasy wise, I'd have a hard time considering him anything other than a middling TE2. Certainly taking Kincaid and Mayer over him, and could certainly see arguments for Musgrave and LaPorta as well.
An important thing to remember when projecting Bengals targets, is that Chase missed 4.5 games last season, and Higgins while not technically missing any games, was in and out of the lineup so much, he basically missed as much time as Chase did. I think there is a scenario where Irv Smith could get to 500-5, but I'm not seeing much upside beyond that, and Smith's injury history is extensive. I think 16-20 is around where Smith becomes a worthwhile look, which is probably the Gerald Everett/Cole Kmet range.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I like LaPorta more than Mayer. The Lions did too. Smith landed in a great spot and if he’s over his injury I think he is more than a middling TE2.
BassNBrew
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
moved him up to 207th (TE26) in my redraft rankings based on this thread's optimism
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hes a year older than Kincaid. Seems like Irv has been around a long time.
Irv is an old guys name.
Irv is an old guys name.
I also like LaPorta more than Mayer. So did Dallas. On the other hand think the Raiders and Texans both liked Mayer over Kincaid and LaPorta. NFL teams were all over the place on them and I think that makes sense since they do different things.
Anyway I drafted Irv earlier today as my TE2, TE21 overall of a FFPC draft(1.5 TE) and I feel solid about it. Not great, but solid. Kind of guy I don't feel like I'll be sucking air if I need him and even has a little upside.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’m sorry for saying that. Draft in progress and didn’t want to tip my hand and league members frequent this board.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't know...this wouldn't be the first time it took a TE until their second contract to blossom. I'm not considering him a priority, but he's on that list of guys that I'll sprinkle in my depth chart if I can get him cheap enough.
Odd comp considering the reason he failed was his neck injury forced him to retire.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bump Tatum Bell
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I already did that this year with Irv Smith. Not so sure I need to think about that right now.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Oh you don't need to do anything - just wait for the Bengals to sign Smith's replacement a year from now
-QG
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I can think of many different things to worry about.
Oh you don't need to do anything - just wait for the Bengals to sign Smith's replacement a year from now
-QG
Its all a ploy to motivate him
N Zone
Footballguy
I'm not saying he's going to fail or get hurt and fail. I'm saying I think he's very talented like how I felt about Jermichael Finley and I'll probably try to draft him this year and subsequent years.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Irv Smith was only 21 years old as a rookie. So while he is on his 2nd contract he is still pretty young and there is some historical evidence showing it takes TE players a few seasons to really develop. That could be even more true considering how young he was coming into the league.
We don't really know much about his development because he has been injured and missed a lot of games as well.
As a Vikings fan the hype about what Smith was going to do was a lot, and that really flavors the disappointment for me as expectations were so high yet unrealized.
Something I have noticed from watching interviews with him is that while he would say the right things, he didn't seem focused or driven to be great in the way I have noticed with other players. Now that's just a subjective impression I've gotten from him, it is something that bothered me.
I think he has a lot of talent. I was especially impressed with some of his blocks at times which isn't even his calling card, and that observable effort does contradict my impression of him from interviews.
Although I am reluctant to be optimistic about him based on disappointing results so far, as I was going into last season, I do think the talent is there for him to really surprise us if he puts it all together and stays healthy this season.
