TE Oronde Gadsden II, LAC (2 Viewers)

[rockaction]

(Fannin has more of a chance to become that imo)

I don't know, man. Gadsden II is 6'5", 243 while Fannin is 6'3", 241

I don't think either will ever be in-line, but Gadsden II has more size to put on more weight. Have no idea about shoulder frame or metabolism.

Honestly I didn’t know Fannin was only 6’3”. I was just thinking he was only 20 years old and probably had some time to put on weight, but you are probably right in that regard,

Yeah, probably. I'm not going to victory lap my knowledge or anything—I was looking right at his measurements when we were typing back and forth. It was just . . . there, so I used reason. Gadsden can probably put on more weight. I think Fannin benched more (?). That was a measurement, I believe.

Yeah, Fannin threw up 22 bench presses and Gadsden threw up 19 bench presses.

 

[TripItUp]

Yeah, probably. I'm not going to victory lap my knowledge or anything—I was looking right at his measurements when we were typing back and forth. It was just . . . there, so I used reason. Gadsden can probably put on more weight. I think Fannin benched more (?). That was a measurement, I believe.

Yeah, Fannin threw up 22 bench presses and Gadsden threw up 19 bench presses.

Both great athletes. I like both.

 

[Insein]

Putting in a bid tonight. I already have 2 TEs and traded away Kraft. What's one more.

 

[rockaction]

Yeah, probably. I'm not going to victory lap my knowledge or anything—I was looking right at his measurements when we were typing back and forth. It was just . . . there, so I used reason. Gadsden can probably put on more weight. I think Fannin benched more (?). That was a measurement, I believe.

Yeah, Fannin threw up 22 bench presses and Gadsden threw up 19 bench presses.

Both great athletes. I like both.

Yeah, they're great athletes but then you've got your guys in the NFL who sort of dwarf both Gadsden II and Fannin. It just . . . is.

It's funny, when you really get into the weeds and start looking at RAS (Relative Athletic Score), you begin to realize how the teams are constructed. Of course they're big and fast. We know that. Nut it's weird to see the guys below five. This draft is 2023 and these cats are out of the league. It's really eye-opening. I think that the teams might even be putting more emphasis on this score in 2025 because there are so many guys in the later rounds that are in the 9 range. It's weird. Why not? The old way of doing it gave you so many unusable players, why not go with those guys who are maybe a little more raw and less football but more athlete and hope you can mold at the pro level?

Ranking NFL draft classes by RAS score: Most athletic 2023 groups from best (Jets) to worst (Vikings) | Sporting News

The metric known as Relative Athletic Score, or RAS, takes NFL combine measurables and compares them to other players, past and present.

www.sportingnews.com

And what's wild is I began to look at my IDP dynasty team and I do the same thing without even realizing it. Sure, I have some guys in the sevens and eights. Cool. But the guys on the DL are clearly 8.00s or above. It just works that way.

 

[rockaction]

This is pretty interesting. I want to caution everybody who sees this that I can't vouchsafe for Fantasy Points' in-house staff or methodology, and I also cannot endorse the person who is Tweeting this, Fusue, who seems like a nice enough guy (used to be a regular commenter here before my time, even) but who has steered me wrong once or twice before and has committed the unforgivable sin of having politics that are different from mine.

https://x.com/DevyEusuf/status/1970569575931711600

But this is something to consider. Good separation score for Oronde. The more I get familiar with Gadsden, the more he strikes me a much less productive version of Fannin. I do know that some of the guys I listen to on Twitter have advocated for Gadsden—and the guys advocating for him have been on certain guys since the beginning of summer if not even since the draft. The guys they've been advocating for include the likes of JCM (Bill), Skattebo, Tuten, Egbuka, and a host of others. A bunch were not sold on McCarthy, etc. A bunch of them loved Travis Hunter as a receiver, if you need a miss I've seen.

They've been pretty good as analysts. There is just a lot of charlatans who have no internal logic to their decisions; these guys like quantification of hypotheses backed up by some film. It's just . . .II've found them to be ahead of the game.

Not Fusue, though. (Sorry, Fusue, you lost me with the Isaiah Spiller is fast enough for the pros. No, he wasn't. It wasn't close.)

 

[Chaka]

For those that missed on Fannin, there may be hope…

Harold hasn't exactly been a revelation and he's trending in the wrong direction in a very crowded receiving group.

Gadsen got on the field because of an injury, definitely had a nice game but, the Chargers receiving group may be more crowded than the Browns.

Again, nice game but, I think he stays on the wire anywhere but the deepest redraft formats and even there he's a spec add at best.

This post was a smokescreen. Wanted to dissuade others in League Uno from bidding on him.

:tentsfingers:

Excellent...?

 

[Terpman22]

Bid 53/100 to get him on a team, I'm sick

edit: this was a dynasty league

 

[Insein]

I bid 11/1000 and no one else bid. Could have just grabbed for free.

We'll see what happens.

 

[Chaka]

Bid $55 ($1,000) no one else bid.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

 

[rockaction]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

Old enough to know the Peanuts reference! Thanks for the info .. I was just trying to get ahead of the possible curve like I did with Fannin.

 

[rockaction]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

Old enough to know the Peanuts reference! Thanks for the info .. I was just trying to get ahead of the possible curve like I did with Fannin.

You want an unfettered opinion that I might be dead wrong about but I can give because I'm not clouded with worry (well, actually I am worried),

Nah, Philly runs the ball a ton. Do you have any prayer of picking up Bigsby? He's twice the runner Dillon is and I just haven't seen any of Shipley to comment intelligently, so . . .yeah. Dillon hasn't looked like an NFL back since his first year in the league but he's gotta be there for a reason, right? He doesn't have photos of Sirianni compromised with security guy Philly Dom, does he?

Damn. I'm not sold on Shipley, either, though reports were that he got better. But everybody does from Year One to Year Two.

Whatever. I'd try for Tank. Barring that, you gotta think of what Shipley (who looks underweighted) would give you if Saquon went down. I don't think he gives you a ton, but if you really depend on Saquon then you might have to hold a guy who might only be the passing-down back, if that? I mean, this is a team trying for back-to-back titles. They signed Barkley when they haven't ever paid RBs. There ain't nothing stopping them from replacing Shipley if Barkley goes down, and I'd argue that would be likely even after the trade deadline. There are better guys off the street, I'd bet. Hoo boy. You have a juicy roster decision. Good luck!

 

[kcahnabru]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I'll take it. trusting a rookie on a drive to win the game and him having a couple catches was huge imo. In game trust from the coaches and QB means more than what's said elsewhere.

Not saying he's the next Gates, but this was a very good start for him imo

 

[rockaction]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I'll take it. trusting a rookie on a drive to win the game and him having a couple catches was huge imo. In game trust from the coaches and QB means more than what's said elsewhere.

Not saying he's the next Gates, but this was a very good start for him imo

Oh hells yeah. He went from healthy scratch to "our franchise QB that everybody is realizing is one of the best QBs in the league right now, which means one of the most talented ever, trusts you as a receiver and looks to you as a legitimate read in his progressions to the point where he's so comfortable with you that he'll dot or even force a throw to you on third freaking down with about five minutes to go in the fourth!" I mean, I drafted Gadsden in early May. Nobody had this cat on their radar, really, but I did extra freaking prep this year for RBs and TEs that might go late, and I traded back in our freaking draft to pick up the 6.03 that I turned into JCM (Bill) and the 6.12 that I turned into Gadsden II. Mr. Irrelevant of our draft is now getting seven targets in Week 3 in a John Harbaugh and Greg Roman offense.

And you think I don't love that start? Brother . . .

 

[Tau837]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I would add that the Broncos LBs were viewed as a serious weakness coming into this game, and that could have been a reason to have Gadsden active. He played quite well, so that could help him to be active more often going forward for sure, but just saying that the particular matchup might have mattered in why he was active for the first time.

 

[rockaction]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I would add that the Broncos LBs were viewed as a serious weakness coming into this game, and that could have been a reason to have Gadsden active. He played quite well, so that could help him to be active more often going forward for sure, but just saying that the particular matchup might have mattered in why he was active for the first time.

Do they normally dress just two TEs? If so, then there might be something very much to that. We just won't know.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I would add that the Broncos LBs were viewed as a serious weakness coming into this game, and that could have been a reason to have Gadsden active. He played quite well, so that could help him to be active more often going forward for sure, but just saying that the particular matchup might have mattered in why he was active for the first time.

Do they normally dress just two TEs? If so, then there might be something very much to that. We just won't know.

Might just take the chance and drop Shipley for him.. worst that happens is I have a roster spot to pick up someone else if he doesn't hit.

 

[rockaction]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I would add that the Broncos LBs were viewed as a serious weakness coming into this game, and that could have been a reason to have Gadsden active. He played quite well, so that could help him to be active more often going forward for sure, but just saying that the particular matchup might have mattered in why he was active for the first time.

Do they normally dress just two TEs? If so, then there might be something very much to that. We just won't know.

Might just take the chance and drop Shipley for him.. worst that happens is I have a roster spot to pick up someone else if he doesn't hit.

Oh, I think Tau837 is telling you that was very situation-specific and might not hppen again this year. Tau837 is an ardent Charger fan who thinks deeply about these things and generally knows his club extraordinarily well. I disagree at times with him (I usually don't voice it) and he tends to be right an incredibly significant majority of the time. I thought he messed up the Mike Williams eval this year because Mike looked so bad with the Jets (my team) last year, but I'm not sure that wasn't actually good process by him and just bad luck for him.

Also. Heh. Don't let my restlessness and amped up paragraphs convince you. I was listening to music rather loudly and was just bopping around, so I might have been a little flush with recklessness. But it's your decision. Maybe ask Tau what he really thinks before you do something and want Shipley back. Saquon's peripherals are so bad this year that I honestly didn't buy it but now believe he might be feeling last year, which I usually would normally dispel as having no evidence, but I was reading his normal YAC and missed tackle rate and it was awful.

Caveat emptor, my man.

eta* I only say this because we're on an FF website and I know how much these little teams—no matter how much money you're playing for; from free to high stakes—can mean and I don't want intemperate, off-the-cuff thought processes that are really more akin to my id thinking aloud (instead of taking a moment and using contemplation and reason) to have a deleterious effect on anyone's year with their magic football team. Peace and salud.

 

[The Frankman]

https://x.com/danielrpopper/status/1970934711670407555

Daniel Popper @danielrpopper
#Chargers rookie TE Oronde Gadsden had five catches for 46 yards in his regular-season debut Sunday. Gadsden had been inactive for the first two weeks of the season.

"He's going to be in there more," Jim Harbaugh said. "And he earned that."
3:33 PM · Sep 24, 2025 * 30.6K Views

Just got Gadsen in FAAB waivers for $1 (no one else bid). Did I mention I also own Fannin Jr.?

 

[Tau837]

Dynasty .. worth dropping Shipley (Barkley owner) for Gadsden? Don't know much about him

Have McBribe and Fannin (also have Kelce and Jonnu that are virtually done)

Oh, dude—careful. This guy was a healthy scratch for the first two games until Dissly got hurt. I have no idea how to counsel you on this. It's like, he didn't play a ton but became Herbert's momentary Linus blanket. (It's a Peanuts reference.) Uh, he became his emotional support animal, how's that?

I would add that the Broncos LBs were viewed as a serious weakness coming into this game, and that could have been a reason to have Gadsden active. He played quite well, so that could help him to be active more often going forward for sure, but just saying that the particular matchup might have mattered in why he was active for the first time.

Do they normally dress just two TEs? If so, then there might be something very much to that. We just won't know.

In weeks 1-2, they had Dissly and Conklin active, with Fisk and Gadsden inactive. IMO Fisk was the more notable inactive, because he is one of the Chargers' best run blockers.

In week 3, Dissly was hurt and inactive, and the other 3 were all active. Gadsden played well, and the Chargers running game had a good week, perhaps helped by Fisk, though PFF didn't grade him out well. Hard to predict going forward. But Gadsden played well enough that he probably earned more active playing time.

 

[Tau837]

Oh, I think Tau837 is telling you that was very situation-specific and might not hppen again this year. Tau837 is an ardent Charger fan who thinks deeply about these things and generally knows his club extraordinarily well. I disagree at times with him (I usually don't voice it) and he tends to be right an incredibly significant majority of the time.

This is a very nice compliment, and I appreciate it. I would like to welcome any discussion about disagreement with my Chargers opinions, though I suspect I view myself as more objective and reasonable than I really am.

 

[rockaction]

Oh, I think Tau837 is telling you that was very situation-specific and might not hppen again this year. Tau837 is an ardent Charger fan who thinks deeply about these things and generally knows his club extraordinarily well. I disagree at times with him (I usually don't voice it) and he tends to be right an incredibly significant majority of the time.

This is a very nice compliment, and I appreciate it. I would like to welcome any discussion about disagreement with my Chargers opinions, though I suspect I view myself as more objective and reasonable than I really am.

My pleasure. Glad to be able to give it honestly. You’ve always been good with both the Chargers and all-time discussions. And other football stuff—I just notice you gravitate (at least publicly) to those things. I believe that you’d welcome discussion and disagreement or even thoughtfully provoking agreement. My silence is nothing personal or a sign of you being ill-tempered. I’m not great with all-time football discussions. I do (or did) that with baseball, which is a sport I still know much better than football. Never outstanding with its history, either. Especially in comparison to the super passionate.

And I don’t pipe up about the Chargers because you’re a football guy who follows it pretty thoughtfully and has it well-covered. I’ve found that when I disagree it’s usually some prediction about FF and volume, output, or playing time and no matter how certain I am, the issue is usually very colorable; or what I mean is each side can make a pretty good case and you won’t know until it’s over. It’s really that simple. But thank you for the cordial offer. It’s appreciated in return

eta* and I appreciate y’all but I’ve got to run and attend to something. See you all later. Peace.

 

[rockaction]

Might want to make a waivers sweep, fellas. FCFS?

#Chargers rookie TE Oronde Gadsden had five catches for 46 yards in his regular-season debut Sunday. Gadsden had been inactive for the first two weeks of the season. "He's going to be in there more," Jim Harbaugh said. "And he earned that."

Chargers HC Jim Harbaugh on Oronde Gadsden II: "I just have a feeling, I've seen this movie a few times-there's more good to come."

 

[Penguin]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

 

[Penguin]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

I was worried that he was very raw coming in and FFPC has a cut down to 14 skill position players

 

[menobrown]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

I was worried that he was very raw coming in and FFPC has a cut down to 14 skill position players

I cut him in the two FFPC dynasty leagues I drafted him. Got outbid on him trying to pick him back up.

Won him all over in redraft.

 

[Faust]

Alex Insdorf
Chargers QB Justin Herbert on targeting Oronde Gadsden II heavily in his first game: "Same thing he's done since camp, he's made plays and he's picked up the offense really quickly. And he's a guy that you can trust out there. You can throw him out there as a rookie and the scene isn't too big for him. And so it's been really good to see from him. He's going out there, competing-he wants to be great and you can tell when he steps on that practice field that he's very focused, dialed in and doing everything he can to be the best tight end that he can be."

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1970978689157300567?s=61

 

[Nameath]

I dropped Teslaa for Gadsen in a Gorilla league. It was costly-+300 FAAB-but this could be the break I need in my roster. It’s worth the risk.

 

[shadrap]

I dropped Teslaa for Gadsen in a Gorilla league. It was costly-+300 FAAB-but this could be the break I need in my roster. It’s worth the risk.

went for $81 in a Gorilla I'm in. $115 in a main event league. He's raw & hope he pans out.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Thinking of dropping RJ Harvey for him today through our free Fc/Fs waivers

 

[rockaction]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

I was worried that he was very raw coming in and FFPC has a cut down to 14 skill position players

I cut him in the two FFPC dynasty leagues I drafted him. Got outbid on him trying to pick him back up.

Won him all over in redraft.

I can’t imagine him sticking on one of my teams if I had 14 spots. This is still in its infancy. In a lot of ways, it has those Bill vibes. That is not the greatest positional room and it’s a contending team. Gadsden is both pretty athletic but unproven and not necessarily a multi-faceted player, kinda like Bill.

I don’t know. I could go on but even the negatives give me Bill vibes. There are already three legit pass catchers here and you want your TE to be the second-best pass catcher on the team with serious distance between 2 and 3, ideally. GII (Gadsden II) doesn’t have that here.

He doesn’t even have distance between 3 and 4, and if anything, he’s actually 4. Actually, Greg Roman and Jim H aside, he’s most def 4. But who knows with these coaches?

Crowded pass-catching room, folks. Ask folks who roster Ladd M how crowded it is.

Tread lightly. Caveat emptor with your FAAB allotment. I wouldn’t blow it all, frankly.

Don’t get me wrong. I dig him and dug his highlights so back in early May I made him pick 6.12, or Mr. Irrelevant if you want, of our Zealots PPR 24 Blood Syndicate (gotta love the designation and name here) 2025 draft. And I’ve held so I’m hoping but #4 is what we’re sorta looking at here

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

For long-term/dynasty ceiling, is anyone taking him over Mason Taylor or Brenton Strange? I had an opening at TE after trading Kincaid away. The fact that all were available, along with Noah Gray, led me to Coker and giving Boutee one more week. I would easily drop Boutee if I need to make a Gadsden Purchase or pounce on anyone else from this group.

 

[rockaction]

For long-term/dynasty ceiling, is anyone taking him over Mason Taylor or Brenton Strange? I had an opening at TE after trading Kincaid away. The fact that all were available, along with Noah Gray, led me to Coker and giving Boutee one more week. I would easily drop Boutee if there was a screaming add from this group.

Dude, I’ve been watching Strange highlights and holeeeee you know what. He’s freaking pancaking guys this year. Mason Taylor got those bloodlines like GII but Mason played at LSU.

I mean, Oronde has some funky stats like a greater than 2 yards per routes run, which is very rare. Like only six others can say that.

TE is so context-specific. I don’t have any good advice for you. Sorry, man.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

For long-term/dynasty ceiling, is anyone taking him over Mason Taylor or Brenton Strange? I had an opening at TE after trading Kincaid away. The fact that all were available, along with Noah Gray, led me to Coker and giving Boutee one more week. I would easily drop Boutee if there was a screaming add from this group.

Dude, I’ve been watching Strange highlights and holeeeee you know what. He’s freaking pancaking guys this year. Mason Taylor got those bloodlines like GII but Mason played at LSU.

I mean, Oronde has some funky stats like a greater than 2 yards per routes run, which is very rare. Like only six others can say that.

TE is so context-specific. I don’t have any good advice for you. Sorry, man.

No, that's helpful, and I can make a case for all three going by eye test on what limited highlights are out there. Taylor more about draft capital and camp buzz at this point. In a non-TEP, I think I tend to just not chase it until top-6 ceiling becomes apparent. Missing out on a guy that ascends to a back-half TE1 is only going to hurt so much if you already have a couple of decent options. That said, it's easy to be too late on someone who is capable of getting to the top of the TE pack when you set the bar that high.

Unless you want to carry 7 TEs, all you can really do is add them to your watch list and be ready to pounce when the jig is up on a breakout.

I've said it before, but I am absolutely done with spending draft capital at this position. Too many good options that emerge from nowhere.

 

[Smack Tripper]

He went for pretty decent change in all the ffpc leagues I'm in, 60-125 across 9 managed leagues

 

[menobrown]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

I was worried that he was very raw coming in and FFPC has a cut down to 14 skill position players

I cut him in the two FFPC dynasty leagues I drafted him. Got outbid on him trying to pick him back up.

Won him all over in redraft.

I can’t imagine him sticking on one of my teams if I had 14 spots. This is still in its infancy. In a lot of ways, it has those Bill vibes. That is not the greatest positional room and it’s a contending team. Gadsden is both pretty athletic but unproven and not necessarily a multi-faceted player, kinda like Bill.

I don’t know. I could go on but even the negatives give me Bill vibes. There are already three legit pass catchers here and you want your TE to be the second-best pass catcher on the team with serious distance between 2 and 3, ideally. GII (Gadsden II) doesn’t have that here.

He doesn’t even have distance between 3 and 4, and if anything, he’s actually 4. Actually, Greg Roman and Jim H aside, he’s most def 4. But who knows with these coaches?

Crowded pass-catching room, folks. Ask folks who roster Ladd M how crowded it is.

Tread lightly. Caveat emptor with your FAAB allotment. I wouldn’t blow it all, frankly.

Don’t get me wrong. I dig him and dug his highlights so back in early May I made him pick 6.12, or Mr. Irrelevant if you want, of our Zealots PPR 24 Blood Syndicate (gotta love the designation and name here) 2025 draft. And I’ve held so I’m hoping but #4 is what we’re sorta looking at here

He's not be worth picking up in a 14 spot regular PPR lineup to me either but I'm taking about national type contest, with 20 man rosters that are TEP leagues. I can't express to you how empty the waiver wire is for TE's. Like if you need one and are looking over the waiver wire in most leagues I'd struggle to find a TE I would feel reasonably good could provide me 5 points that week, and that's with getting 1.5 PPR. Guys like Dalton Schultz are owned in over 90% of my leagues. Theo Johnson was just cut in a lot of them, still owned over 50%, but I'd venture to guess in the other 50% he's the top FA TE in most of them to give you an idea of the landscape.

I understand some of the concerns you laid out, and he's for sure no better then 4th in the pecking order, but sometimes you got to take a shot on upside and see if things work out. Some injuries hit the WR group then what? Or maybe he just organically starts carving out a bigger role.

One could take a negative approach and mention some of what you aid out, and also say the guy only played 17 snaps. 26%, that's terrible and even if he was in more of a full time role, as you pointed out he's got a lot of WR comp for targets. This is all valid and most likely outcome for why he's not going to go off and be a TEP league winner.

OTOH to draw 7 targets on just 17 snaps is fairly incredible, especially, and I would highlight the especially part of this, to do it in high level situations. I believe he was targeted and caught 2 passes on the game ending drive for a FG. That's huge to me that Herbert showed this kind of trust to a guy playing his first game.

I did not break the bank for him, bought him a lot more then I anticipated though, was usually coming in the 8-13% range of my FA allotment for the year. I overbid a lot though, would say on average I overbid the runnerup bid by close to $50 in most leagues(out of a $1k budget). In a few weeks I'm either going to hate I bought him so much and overbid or rejoice about it. Again understand some of the issues, but if he turned into a consistent 10-12 PPG player,and gave me some depth as a TE2/3 I'm going to be good spending that money.

FWIW you referenced Bill a few times, I assume JCM. If he was dropped in these leagues I'd guess his average bid would be close to 50% of teams budgets.

 

[menobrown]

He went for pretty decent change in all the ffpc leagues I'm in, 60-125 across 9 managed leagues

$127 average bid price in the Main Events and $88 in the Big Gorilla.

This is pretty much the range I was coming in for him when I was buying a lot of him. Got outbid in a few when people went over $200. I got a struggling Taylor, Loveland, Likely TE team, almost like I'm not starting a TE in a TEP league, I think I went over $150 in that league as my high end bid.

 

[rockaction]

I put in some (what I thought) were aggressive FFPC bids and got him in only 1 of like 8 dynasty leagues he was available (like $200+.) I had drafted him in like 3 others and the rest someone else drafted him.

I was worried that he was very raw coming in and FFPC has a cut down to 14 skill position players

I cut him in the two FFPC dynasty leagues I drafted him. Got outbid on him trying to pick him back up.

Won him all over in redraft.

I can’t imagine him sticking on one of my teams if I had 14 spots. This is still in its infancy. In a lot of ways, it has those Bill vibes. That is not the greatest positional room and it’s a contending team. Gadsden is both pretty athletic but unproven and not necessarily a multi-faceted player, kinda like Bill.

I don’t know. I could go on but even the negatives give me Bill vibes. There are already three legit pass catchers here and you want your TE to be the second-best pass catcher on the team with serious distance between 2 and 3, ideally. GII (Gadsden II) doesn’t have that here.

He doesn’t even have distance between 3 and 4, and if anything, he’s actually 4. Actually, Greg Roman and Jim H aside, he’s most def 4. But who knows with these coaches?

Crowded pass-catching room, folks. Ask folks who roster Ladd M how crowded it is.

Tread lightly. Caveat emptor with your FAAB allotment. I wouldn’t blow it all, frankly.

Don’t get me wrong. I dig him and dug his highlights so back in early May I made him pick 6.12, or Mr. Irrelevant if you want, of our Zealots PPR 24 Blood Syndicate (gotta love the designation and name here) 2025 draft. And I’ve held so I’m hoping but #4 is what we’re sorta looking at here

He's not be worth picking up in a 14 spot regular PPR lineup to me either but I'm taking about national type contest, with 20 man rosters that are TEP leagues. I can't express to you how empty the waiver wire is for TE's. Like if you need one and are looking over the waiver wire in most leagues I'd struggle to find a TE I would feel reasonably good could provide me 5 points that week, and that's with getting 1.5 PPR. Guys like Dalton Schultz are owned in over 90% of my leagues. Theo Johnson was just cut in a lot of them, still owned over 50%, but I'd venture to guess in the other 50% he's the top FA TE in most of them to give you an idea of the landscape.

I understand some of the concerns you laid out, and he's for sure no better then 4th in the pecking order, but sometimes you got to take a shot on upside and see if things work out. Some injuries hit the WR group then what? Or maybe he just organically starts carving out a bigger role.

One could take a negative approach and mention some of what you aid out, and also say the guy only played 17 snaps. 26%, that's terrible and even if he was in more of a full time role, as you pointed out he's got a lot of WR comp for targets. This is all valid and most likely outcome for why he's not going to go off and be a TEP league winner.

OTOH to draw 7 targets on just 17 snaps is fairly incredible, especially, and I would highlight the especially part of this, to do it in high level situations. I believe he was targeted and caught 2 passes on the game ending drive for a FG. That's huge to me that Herbert showed this kind of trust to a guy playing his first game.

I did not break the bank for him, bought him a lot more then I anticipated though, was usually coming in the 8-13% range of my FA allotment for the year. I overbid a lot though, would say on average I overbid the runnerup bid by close to $50 in most leagues(out of a $1k budget). In a few weeks I'm either going to hate I bought him so much and overbid or rejoice about it. Again understand some of the issues, but if he turned into a consistent 10-12 PPG player,and gave me some depth as a TE2/3 I'm going to be good spending that money.

FWIW you referenced Bill a few times, I assume JCM. If he was dropped in these leagues I'd guess his average bid would be close to 50% of teams budgets.

No doubt it is dependent upon context. And my pouring cold water on it is specifically to show a rational thought process behind my assessment of a guy that I have stated I roster already in the thread. I do that because I’ve already both drafted and been irrationally exuberant about one of “my guys” and I want to use dispassionate analysis so that I steelman whatever position I ultimately take. It’s simply showing my work. I think Herbert targeting him in big situations is huge. I say that here:

Post in thread 'TE Oronde Gadsden II, LAC'
https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/te-oronde-gadsden-ii-lac.816440/post-2547064

Believe that.

At the same time, there are guys in the thread who have viable other guys on the wire, and I want to lay everything out there so that each person can assess their scarcity and situation and maybe make an informed decision with a thoroughly explained thought process laid out.

That’s my motive.

Good luck with the contests, meno. Hope you win.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

GII or Otton, 1/2 PPR ?

 

[menobrown]

GII or Otton, 1/2 PPR ?

If I was in a TEP league with 25 roster spots I would not put Otton on a roster.

 

[TheWinz]

Picked up and starting over Freiermuth this week (Kittle on IR)

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

GII or Otton, 1/2 PPR ?

If I was in a TEP league with 25 roster spots I would not put Otton on a roster.

Say no more...thx

 

[Faust]

Jim Harbaugh makes it clear Chargers rookie Oronde Gadsden is en route to breakout

 

[Footballdaz]

I miss having Antonio Gates on my teams.
I haven't owned a Charger TE since he retired.

This RC has my interest.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

I am also holding Fannin and Gadsden, which rookie do you prefer ROS?

 

[Football Jones]

I am also holding Fannin and Gadsden, which rookie do you prefer ROS?

Hard to say in redraft, but much prefer Gadsden in dynasty as things stand now.

Gadsden is one of those F-type TE prospects (like Fannin) where you have to worry what they can do as a blocker. The Chargers wanted to see Gadsden improve his blocking and he's done that (Harbaugh said his blocking was good last week). That's key for getting more snaps.

If Gadsden can hold his own as a blocker, I could see him passing Dissly this season. There's also the right kind of dynamic in this offense to where it wouldn't surprise me if a TE became their top receiving weapon.

 

[rockaction]

I am also holding Fannin and Gadsden, which rookie do you prefer ROS?

Hard to say in redraft, but much prefer Gadsden in dynasty as things stand now.

Gadsden is one of those F-type TE prospects (like Fannin) where you have to worry what they can do as a blocker. The Chargers wanted to see Gadsden improve his blocking and he's done that (Harbaugh said his blocking was good last week). That's key for getting more snaps.

If Gadsden can hold his own as a blocker, I could see him passing Dissly this season. There's also the right kind of dynamic in this offense to where it wouldn't surprise me if a TE became their top receiving weapon.

If he can hold his own as a blocker then he's their TE1 for seven years and gets paid like a champ. Tyler Conklin? The other good blocker, Tucker Fisk? Neither of those guys will start over him if he can block, but we also have to live in the reality that is likely to be there for Gadsden II throughout his pro career, which is that he is very likely to always be a subpar blocker in comparison to what many coaches want from their TE.

That does not mean they won't play him or like him. It means that a lot of these coaches love (and rightfully so) the tangible advantages that come from the physical benefits of being able to pick up the hard yards and the ability to move defenders off of the line.

 

[Gr00vus]

Dissly is out again this week.

 

[Football Jones]

One thing with Gadsden...at 6'5", he's got the height to better use leverage if he can refine his blocking technique. I hope Gadsden doesn't purposefully put on a bunch of weight. I cringe when I see that...almost never works out.

Gadsden can certainly become a technician and get stronger, though. This kid has a real chance.