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Team X Chess thread (1 Viewer)
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Joe T
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Sand
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It is in the opening stages, but they're not horribly slow. Right now it looks like team Joe, Sand, and Pizza against the horde over there. I'd love to see our other folks start to chime in as we move toward the middle game here. Speaking of that, they have moved:
In our black game O moved Nxd4. Standard. Choices are Nf6, a6, and g6 for the most part.
In our white game O moved O-O. Bg5, e4, Bf4, and g3 are possible here.
If I was playing these solo I'd choose Nf6 (a6 is ok, too) and likely Bg5, though e4 looks good, as well (want to keep developing pieces and getting the bishop out is a good thing. g3 is too passive. Bf4 is an interesting choice, though I'd prefer e4 over it. ).
Thoughts?
Sand
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Don't go anywhere. We have one person on the team who hasn't posted at all yet (and it doesn't look like he will). I am going to post in the main thread and try to claim you. Read up and have a look at the games thus far. Really the only rule is no chess engines. And don't read the other team's thread.
pizzatyme
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What about in the black game going Qh5, if he blocks with the Bishop, then Qe5. If he blocks with the pawn, then we just proceed to develop pieces. If he blocks with the night then we go Nf6.
I know this is early for the Q, but I want to get them off their standard line.
Just food for thought. I'm open to the suggested line of thinking as well.
I know this is early for the Q, but I want to get them off their standard line.
Just food for thought. I'm open to the suggested line of thinking as well.
Joe T
Footballguy
As white, would like to understand why you like Bg5 more.
I can see e4 or e3. e4 is the most aggressive move and am fine with it followed by d5.
I do agree with sand that we should get the bishops involved soon. But I don't like to put our dark square bishop in much risk this early only because I know we will really need him later.
Joe T
Footballguy
For black I would stick for now
I like Nf6, but can be convinced into making this a fun game...
Hmmm... I lean toward Nf6, but I do like the idea of getting them off of their line early. Not sure I like using the queen to get them off their line however.What about in the black game going Qh5, if he blocks with the Bishop, then Qe5. If he blocks with the pawn, then we just proceed to develop pieces. If he blocks with the night then we go Nf6.
I know this is early for the Q, but I want to get them off their standard line.
Just food for thought. I'm open to the suggested line of thinking as well.
I like Nf6, but can be convinced into making this a fun game...
Sand
Footballguy
1. Nf6
2. ????
3
Seriously, I was thinking something on the lines of:
Nf6
Nc3 a6
Be2 e5
White's moves don't matter too much.
Good video here on the Silician Najdorf. It is, by this guy, the opposite of passive.
Oh, and I like e4 for the white. Let's do that. We have 3 agreeing here, so I'm going to make that move.
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Sand
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Don't go into the Team O thread and start kibbutzing here. Otello has blessed this. The games are in the second and third posts. We are playing white and black simultaneously.
Sand
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Sand
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Go here: http://chesstempo.com/pgn-viewer-beta.html
Copy the moves into the box, hit "load pgn" and it should be good to go.
spOOfy
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move is already done, but i like the e4 move, followed by d5 (depending on what they do) for our white game.
sorry i haven't been giving input so far. i fell behind in the game over the weekend and brownsfan and i are just catching our version up. add in that i don't know the codes by heart and it makes it a little tougher to give input unless i'm sitting at my computer.
sorry i haven't been giving input so far. i fell behind in the game over the weekend and brownsfan and i are just catching our version up. add in that i don't know the codes by heart and it makes it a little tougher to give input unless i'm sitting at my computer.
Sand
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Not a problem. Now is a good time to jump in, anyway, as hopefully we'll throw them a curve soon and send us into the mid-game pretty quick.
Sand
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No longer waiting.nysfl2 said:
In our white game O has moved d6. Very standard English opening-they are going by the book. Reasonable responses include Be2, h3, Be3, and d5. Of these I'd prefer h3, but want to hear from the group. I see something like h3, e5, dxe5, dxe5, Qxd1, Rxd1, Bg5 happening, which I believe puts us in very good position. Not that I don't like d5 (then white likely goes e5 and clogs up the middle) - that leads to a closed game rather than an open game. Which one do we want?
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Joe T
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I prefer Be2. Prepare to castle and sustain control of the middle.
Also, in your post, I may be missing something, but I don't think Rxd1 is possible? And both queens are out of the game early which I'm not a big fan of. ETA: if Rxd1 is possible, that changes things and I like your scenario much better.
But this is where the game gets more interesting. We can really go several ways here. You are right, the next move can make a change in the direction of the game. Interested in hearing more opinions.
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Sand
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pizzatyme
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What's the team's concerns over Bg5 here?
Blacks possible responses are:
Bg4 which leads to us doing h3 and if they exchange, it puts us with the Q in play taking the B or take with the pawn and open the g file against his K.
e5 leads to us winning a pawn
Nd7 closes off his white bishop.
Nf6 leads to us pushing d5 and then they move Ne5 we exchange Knights and they end with doubled pawns and we have many options to proceed.
Thoughts?
Blacks possible responses are:
Bg4 which leads to us doing h3 and if they exchange, it puts us with the Q in play taking the B or take with the pawn and open the g file against his K.
e5 leads to us winning a pawn
Nd7 closes off his white bishop.
Nf6 leads to us pushing d5 and then they move Ne5 we exchange Knights and they end with doubled pawns and we have many options to proceed.
Thoughts?
Joe T
Footballguy
Bg5 thoughts:
I'm not sure we gain much of anything with this move. With or without Bg5, blacks response options are the same as you've stated above (Bg4, e5, or most likely Nd7). I only like these types of bishop moves if it is a pin or at a very minimum to threaten an exchange. This is really neither which is why I think we gain nothing. Our black bishop already has a line on all of those black squares so we don't gain anything directionally either..
With Be2 (my choice) we at least gain by bringing our white bishop in play and opening up to a castle.
With h3 (sand's choice) we at least are blocking some potential next moves from black by protecting g4.
Both of those, I like better.
I'm not sure we gain much of anything with this move. With or without Bg5, blacks response options are the same as you've stated above (Bg4, e5, or most likely Nd7). I only like these types of bishop moves if it is a pin or at a very minimum to threaten an exchange. This is really neither which is why I think we gain nothing. Our black bishop already has a line on all of those black squares so we don't gain anything directionally either..
With Be2 (my choice) we at least gain by bringing our white bishop in play and opening up to a castle.
With h3 (sand's choice) we at least are blocking some potential next moves from black by protecting g4.
Both of those, I like better.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Fine. I'll wait on Bg5. I feel like either Bd2 or h3 allows them to catch up on their development. We have a clear advantage there and I'm a proponent of strengthening your strengths.
And although Bg5 isn't a pin, it becomes one with any e-pawn move.
With that said, what is our plan with Bd2? Castle and then what?
Same with h3? Where do we go from there?
And although Bg5 isn't a pin, it becomes one with any e-pawn move.
With that said, what is our plan with Bd2? Castle and then what?
Same with h3? Where do we go from there?
Joe T
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I'd like to see more opinions and also I hate to post so many moves in advance because every time I enter this thread there are "guests."
But after Be2 and Castle, we have 2 more pieces involved.
Then we start to push with things like Bf4/Bg5, Qd2, Ng5, f4.... too many possibilities to name, but we start to apply pressure to the defense black has built up and we do so with both our white bishop and rook in play and applying pressure that direction.
Also want to stress, I think this is a big move for us and am happy to be patient here and wait on more input from nyslf, uni, and others before we do anything on this next move.
spOOfy
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In white game:
I don't see the advantage of moving Bg5, although I'm much more of a n00b in chess knowledge compared to you fine folks. I typically have no trouble trading a bishop for a knight (and maybe that is a flaw in my game, i don't know), and I have no idea if that is what you are intending with that move, but I don't see a strong reason to do it at this point.
I lean towards Be2. I like the position it puts us in, and always like leaving room for the castle, particularly after my opponent has already castled himself.
I think h3 is also a good move, and one we may make on the next turn. d5 i think should still be in consideration, but i usually prefer open games if possible. depends on the opponent though. if someone is facing me, they should go for a closed game since i have more trouble playing that way. if we think Team O would have trouble with it, then i'm on board with it.
i think if i was playing this myself, Be2 would be my next move.
I don't see the advantage of moving Bg5, although I'm much more of a n00b in chess knowledge compared to you fine folks. I typically have no trouble trading a bishop for a knight (and maybe that is a flaw in my game, i don't know), and I have no idea if that is what you are intending with that move, but I don't see a strong reason to do it at this point.
I lean towards Be2. I like the position it puts us in, and always like leaving room for the castle, particularly after my opponent has already castled himself.
I think h3 is also a good move, and one we may make on the next turn. d5 i think should still be in consideration, but i usually prefer open games if possible. depends on the opponent though. if someone is facing me, they should go for a closed game since i have more trouble playing that way. if we think Team O would have trouble with it, then i'm on board with it.
i think if i was playing this myself, Be2 would be my next move.
spOOfy
Footballguy
little embarrassed to say i've been studying it on on wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_notation_%28chess%29 
Sand
Footballguy
I was working this morning and didn't get to this.
In our black game O has moved Nc3. spOOfy on top of things! I vote for the line I mentioned earlier:
Nc3 a6
Be2 e5
We can't control who wanders in here, so why worry about it. Need to go over this stuff.I'd like to see more opinions and also I hate to post so many moves in advance because every time I enter this thread there are "guests."
But after Be2 and Castle, we have 2 more pieces involved.
Then we start to push with things like Bf4/Bg5, Qd2, Ng5, f4.... too many possibilities to name, but we start to apply pressure to the defense black has built up and we do so with both our white bishop and rook in play and applying pressure that direction.
Also want to stress, I think this is a big move for us and am happy to be patient here and wait on more input from nyslf, uni, and others before we do anything on this next move.
After Be2, if we play it I'd probably prefer a Be3 line after and build up that way. But it does develop pieces in the middle really nicely and sets up up to control the center of the board. I think at that point we would be well ahead in development. So if we go Be2 (and we have Pizza(?), Joe, and spOOfy who really like it) I'd like us to really consider Be3 as the top candidate move after.
If Pizza confirms his liking of Be2 I think that will be enough to make that move.
Joe T
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In the black game, agree with a6 continuing our line. In general, this game will eventually be more interesting than our white game.
For the next move ... something like Qb6 will get pizza excited.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Although it's passive for my tastes, I'm okay with Be2.
My Be5, is a part of a master plan and onslaught of the king side. If I were playing myself, that's where I'd go.
Only thing I think we consider here over the next few moves is to not let them catch up on development. They've given it away up until now.
I'm less of a proponent of castling if there is an advantage to be had in attacking/pressure, so that's where I'm coming from.
I know this may be foreign to some, but just my style.
I'm a team player for this purpose, however, so let's set up and own the middle!
My Be5, is a part of a master plan and onslaught of the king side. If I were playing myself, that's where I'd go.
Only thing I think we consider here over the next few moves is to not let them catch up on development. They've given it away up until now.
I'm less of a proponent of castling if there is an advantage to be had in attacking/pressure, so that's where I'm coming from.
I know this may be foreign to some, but just my style.
I'm a team player for this purpose, however, so let's set up and own the middle!
Sand
Footballguy
Be2 it is.Although it's passive for my tastes, I'm okay with Be2.
My Be5, is a part of a master plan and onslaught of the king side. If I were playing myself, that's where I'd go.
Only thing I think we consider here over the next few moves is to not let them catch up on development. They've given it away up until now.
I'm less of a proponent of castling if there is an advantage to be had in attacking/pressure, so that's where I'm coming from.
I know this may be foreign to some, but just my style.
I'm a team player for this purpose, however, so let's set up and own the middle!
That's two for a6.In the black game, agree with a6 continuing our line. In general, this game will eventually be more interesting than our white game.
For the next move ... something like Qb6 will get pizza excited.
I expect healthy debate as we move on. Since I might as well label myself the anti-Rybka after reviewing my games I know for a fact that I'll pick bad lines that will get discarded. I look forward to learning, as well.
Sand
Footballguy
pizzatyme
Footballguy
The force is strong with you young Jedi!
For the white game, I like that you made the Be2 move over the Bg5 move. I just don't see Bg5 gaining us much. We're just threatening a trade with the move, and a trade really doesn't affect their defense all that much. As things develop, they could also easily set up an attack on the bishop, and make us waste time defending it.
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