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[trogg78]

I really hope he can find a backup job on another team. The Tebow frenzy is very amusing.

 

[Sarnoff]

One legitimate claim to fame Tebow can get is he was the first of the read option QBs to get real playing time and played a part in its acceptance and use at the pro level.I found him compelling and his interview on the nfl network after the broncos beat the jets is a classic on lots of levels. He seems to be a guy that burned out rather than faded away. Move on man, move on.

Exactly. Tebow was always ahead of his time. Only now is the NFL adjusting to the game style he pretty much created. It's easier to see stuff like this in retrospect. Years from now, a proper analysis of Tebow's historical impact in the game may mean we'll be seeing him in Canton.

 

[Buffaloes]

I really hope he can find a backup job on another team. The Tebow frenzy is very amusing.

I want to see him start for a team. That's even more entertaining. The Raiders. They aren't doing anything this year. Get him in there. Or Jacksonville. Make it happen.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

change thread title plz

 

[The Dude]

Terrell Davis making a case for the Raiders to sign Tebow - he was not advocating for it - but could see how it would be logical

 

[Doubtingthomas]

One legitimate claim to fame Tebow can get is he was the first of the read option QBs to get real playing time and played a part in its acceptance and use at the pro level.I found him compelling and his interview on the nfl network after the broncos beat the jets is a classic on lots of levels. He seems to be a guy that burned out rather than faded away. Move on man, move on.

Exactly. Tebow was always ahead of his time. Only now is the NFL adjusting to the game style he pretty much created. It's easier to see stuff like this in retrospect. Years from now, a proper analysis of Tebow's historical impact in the game may mean we'll be seeing him in Canton.

I'm sure you have heard this before but I will say it, you are a ####.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

HE'S NOT GETTING A FAIR SHOT!!!!!!!1111

HE'S NOT GETTING A FAIR SHOT!!!!!!!1111

Pretty classless of the Patriots to cut him right after every other team has finalized their rosters.

Any team had like two months to sign him before the Patriots did.

It was a joke, as that was the media's mantra about the Jets after they released Tebow the day after the NFL draft (a day where about 35 other players were released as well).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Terrell Davis making a case for the Raiders to sign Tebow - he was not advocating for it - but could see how it would be logical

Terrell Davis, I saw that. He's not a football dummy now is he.

Tebow's better than Pryor. They're the same kind of player too, all the same (legitimate) arguments against Tebow apply to Pryor too, but Tebow is better.

And he would win more than Flynn. And that's the problem.

This is a year to crash, get the no. 1 pick, & maybe that's a QB, retool, rebuild.

 

[bagger]

And so it ends.

It ends for the Pats, but I seriously doubt the Tebow hype is over.

correct. We need to put the stake through its heart and burn it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'd like to use this thread for tebow news updates, if we could

WGR 550 Buffalo reports the Bills have "zero interest" in free agent Tim Tebow.

Montreal Alouettes GM Jim Popp says he's never had a conversation with free agent Tim Tebow or his agent about joining the team.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Tebow's better than Pryor. They're the same kind of player too, all the same (legitimate) arguments against Tebow apply to Pryor too, but Tebow is better.

"He hasn't made any progress since 2011" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His mechanics aren't compatible with the NFL" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His throwing motion is too slow" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He has a weak arm" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He hasn't been able to adapt to a traditional NFL system" (hasn't applied to Pryor yet)

"He's slower than Terrelle Pryor" (definitely doesn't apply to Pryor!)

 

[msudaisy26]

Asking the Patriot homers here, Is there any chance of bringing Tebow back to the Pats in season? They are only carrying 2 quarterbacks right now, so if there is an injury they will have to bring in someone.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'd like to use this thread for tebow news updates, if we could

WGR 550 Buffalo reports the Bills have "zero interest" in free agent Tim Tebow.

Montreal Alouettes GM Jim Popp says he's never had a conversation with free agent Tim Tebow or his agent about joining the team.

Tebow in the CFL would be hilarious. A QB who can't pass in a league where you have to throw the ball 35+ times a game.

Alouettes desperately need a QB as Calvillo is really showing his age and is most likely done after this year leasemakethishappen:

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tebow's better than Pryor. They're the same kind of player too, all the same (legitimate) arguments against Tebow apply to Pryor too, but Tebow is better.

"He hasn't made any progress since 2011" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His mechanics aren't compatible with the NFL" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His throwing motion is too slow" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He has a weak arm" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He hasn't been able to adapt to a traditional NFL system" (hasn't applied to Pryor yet)

"He's slower than Terrelle Pryor" (definitely doesn't apply to Pryor!)

Hmmm, should I really get into this?

Ok. Let's.

Points 1-4 all relate to Pryor's passing. We don't know how much progress Pryor has really made in that regard. He's always been able to run. His passing is maybe improving but we haven't seen him in a regular season game yet this year. We know where he was last year and it was behind Tebow (IMO). That last PS game, supposedly against scrubs, was awful passing-wise. Better mechanics and a better throwing motion (part and parcel of the same thing...) is useless if it still means the QB can't hit a wide open WR. All of these are about passing fundamentals, the reason so many GMs don't like Tebow. We know this. You could say the same thing about Kafka, the guy the Pats let go as No. 3 and the same guy the Jags just cut, his throwing fundamentals are better. Same goes for Kyle Orton. Nearly everyone has better passing fundamentals than Tebow. This is a moot point. In the end Pryor's completion percentage will probably be as bad as Tebow's and I'm going to guess (guess, because we haven't seen Pryor in regular season this year) his TO ratio would be higher.

I'm not sure I have the time to look up the final stats, but I'm guessing Pryor's passing stats from last year and this PS are similar to or worse that Tebow's. I've heard he's improved too, but again PS isn't showing that (well except that he was horrible before and maybe is relatively better now). I saw in play the Saints, not much there I think.

The point about adapting to traditional NFL systems: if Oak has kept their offense I'd bet its application is pretty limited, pretty vanilla for what Pryor can do in the passing game.

Speed: well I agree. In fact Pryor may be the fastest QB in the league right now? Vick is fast, but I'm sure Pryor is up there. All I know is that Tebow regularly produced some nice FF points running the ball and was quite good in the red zone.

One thing Tebow appears to have in the pass game that Pryor has not shown yet - the ability to draw the defense in and get the big pass play. Has anyone seen this yet from Pryor?

All of this is not boosting TT or denigrating Pryor. I like Pryor, I'd say consider picking him up if he starts (and Tebow was a pretty good FF starter btw). But the conversation is over because TT is not likely going to start anywhere ever again, except for some strange injury situation or a desperate team situation. This academic. I do think there's a conversation to be had here about how running QBs with poor passing skills, not just TT, can do well in the NFL and even win because that's in football's DNA. That's a football discussion, this has never been there.

 

[mjr]

Asking the Patriot homers here, Is there any chance of bringing Tebow back to the Pats in season? They are only carrying 2 quarterbacks right now, so if there is an injury they will have to bring in someone.

Not a Pats homer, but I lived in Boston for years and know the Pats pretty well. There's always the possibility they throw Tebow onto the practice squad then bring him up to the bench as a backup if there's a QB injury, but with the other QBs available out there right now, like Leinhart, Young, ect., I don't see why Tebow would be a favorable preference for the Pats system.

 

[Bri]

Tebow could return to the Pats sure...more of a question of why not since he actually knows the offense and anyone they sign wouldn't.

According to everyone here and many people previously over the years; I think his best move is to hook up with some QB guru and work on technique this season in hopes of impressing next year.

This guy is too driven to quit his NFL dreams just yet.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Asking the Patriot homers here, Is there any chance of bringing Tebow back to the Pats in season? They are only carrying 2 quarterbacks right now, so if there is an injury they will have to bring in someone.

I really hope to hell they don't. He has absolutely no value.

Besides, there are a hundred better free agent QB's they could bring in if they were that desperate.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Asking the Patriot homers here, Is there any chance of bringing Tebow back to the Pats in season? They are only carrying 2 quarterbacks right now, so if there is an injury they will have to bring in someone.

Not a Pats homer, but I lived in Boston for years and know the Pats pretty well. There's always the possibility they throw Tebow onto the practice squad then bring him up to the bench as a backup if there's a QB injury, but with the other QBs available out there right now, like Leinhart, Young, ect., I don't see why Tebow would be a favorable preference for the Pats system.

there is?

pretty slim possibility

 

[msommer]

Tebow's better than Pryor. They're the same kind of player too, all the same (legitimate) arguments against Tebow apply to Pryor too, but Tebow is better.

"He hasn't made any progress since 2011" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His mechanics aren't compatible with the NFL" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His throwing motion is too slow" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He has a weak arm" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He hasn't been able to adapt to a traditional NFL system" (hasn't applied to Pryor yet)

"He's slower than Terrelle Pryor" (definitely doesn't apply to Pryor!)

Hmmm, should I really get into this?

Ok. Let's.

Points 1-4 all relate to Pryor's passing. We don't know how much progress Pryor has really made in that regard. He's always been able to run. His passing is maybe improving but we haven't seen him in a regular season game yet this year. We know where he was last year and it was behind Tebow (IMO). That last PS game, supposedly against scrubs, was awful passing-wise. Better mechanics and a better throwing motion (part and parcel of the same thing...) is useless if it still means the QB can't hit a wide open WR. All of these are about passing fundamentals, the reason so many GMs don't like Tebow. We know this. You could say the same thing about Kafka, the guy the Pats let go as No. 3 and the same guy the Jags just cut, his throwing fundamentals are better. Same goes for Kyle Orton. Nearly everyone has better passing fundamentals than Tebow. This is a moot point. In the end Pryor's completion percentage will probably be as bad as Tebow's and I'm going to guess (guess, because we haven't seen Pryor in regular season this year) his TO ratio would be higher.

I'm not sure I have the time to look up the final stats, but I'm guessing Pryor's passing stats from last year and this PS are similar to or worse that Tebow's. I've heard he's improved too, but again PS isn't showing that (well except that he was horrible before and maybe is relatively better now). I saw in play the Saints, not much there I think.

The point about adapting to traditional NFL systems: if Oak has kept their offense I'd bet its application is pretty limited, pretty vanilla for what Pryor can do in the passing game.

Speed: well I agree. In fact Pryor may be the fastest QB in the league right now? Vick is fast, but I'm sure Pryor is up there. All I know is that Tebow regularly produced some nice FF points running the ball and was quite good in the red zone.

One thing Tebow appears to have in the pass game that Pryor has not shown yet - the ability to draw the defense in and get the big pass play. Has anyone seen this yet from Pryor?

All of this is not boosting TT or denigrating Pryor. I like Pryor, I'd say consider picking him up if he starts (and Tebow was a pretty good FF starter btw). But the conversation is over because TT is not likely going to start anywhere ever again, except for some strange injury situation or a desperate team situation. This academic. I do think there's a conversation to be had here about how running QBs with poor passing skills, not just TT, can do well in the NFL and even win because that's in football's DNA. That's a football discussion, this has never been there.

The statements quoted were from Charlie Casserly from the same segment

 

[msommer]

Asking the Patriot homers here, Is there any chance of bringing Tebow back to the Pats in season? They are only carrying 2 quarterbacks right now, so if there is an injury they will have to bring in someone.

Not a Pats homer, but I lived in Boston for years and know the Pats pretty well. There's always the possibility they throw Tebow onto the practice squad then bring him up to the bench as a backup if there's a QB injury, but with the other QBs available out there right now, like Leinhart, Young, ect., I don't see why Tebow would be a favorable preference for the Pats system.

there is?

pretty slim possibility

Indeed.

Since he is not eligible

 

[Joe Summer]

Not a Pats homer, but I lived in Boston for years and know the Pats pretty well. There's always the possibility they throw Tebow onto the practice squad then bring him up to the bench as a backup if there's a QB injury

No, there isn't. Trust me. I'm not a Pats homer and I've never been to Boston, but I know your scenario will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happen.

 

[Jeremy]

Tebow could return to the Pats sure...more of a question of why not since he actually knows the offense and anyone they sign wouldn't.

According to everyone here and many people previously over the years; I think his best move is to hook up with some QB guru and work on technique this season in hopes of impressing next year.

This guy is too driven to quit his NFL dreams just yet.

His issues go deeper than mechanics. He struggles with the mental side of the game as well. He doesn't make his reads. The game is too fast for him and struggles to remember the plays.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Not a Pats homer, but I lived in Boston for years and know the Pats pretty well. There's always the possibility they throw Tebow onto the practice squad then bring him up to the bench as a backup if there's a QB injury

No, there isn't. Trust me. I'm not a Pats homer and I've never been to Boston, but I know your scenario will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happen.

Yeah, because it's against the NFL rules.

 

[Anarchy99]

Tebow has no practice squad eligibility left for any NFL team.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tebow's better than Pryor. They're the same kind of player too, all the same (legitimate) arguments against Tebow apply to Pryor too, but Tebow is better.

"He hasn't made any progress since 2011" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His mechanics aren't compatible with the NFL" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"His throwing motion is too slow" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He has a weak arm" (nope, doesn't apply to Pryor)

"He hasn't been able to adapt to a traditional NFL system" (hasn't applied to Pryor yet)

"He's slower than Terrelle Pryor" (definitely doesn't apply to Pryor!)

Hmmm, should I really get into this?

Ok. Let's.

Points 1-4 all relate to Pryor's passing. We don't know how much progress Pryor has really made in that regard. He's always been able to run. His passing is maybe improving but we haven't seen him in a regular season game yet this year. We know where he was last year and it was behind Tebow (IMO). That last PS game, supposedly against scrubs, was awful passing-wise. Better mechanics and a better throwing motion (part and parcel of the same thing...) is useless if it still means the QB can't hit a wide open WR. All of these are about passing fundamentals, the reason so many GMs don't like Tebow. We know this. You could say the same thing about Kafka, the guy the Pats let go as No. 3 and the same guy the Jags just cut, his throwing fundamentals are better. Same goes for Kyle Orton. Nearly everyone has better passing fundamentals than Tebow. This is a moot point. In the end Pryor's completion percentage will probably be as bad as Tebow's and I'm going to guess (guess, because we haven't seen Pryor in regular season this year) his TO ratio would be higher.

I'm not sure I have the time to look up the final stats, but I'm guessing Pryor's passing stats from last year and this PS are similar to or worse that Tebow's. I've heard he's improved too, but again PS isn't showing that (well except that he was horrible before and maybe is relatively better now). I saw in play the Saints, not much there I think.

The point about adapting to traditional NFL systems: if Oak has kept their offense I'd bet its application is pretty limited, pretty vanilla for what Pryor can do in the passing game.

Speed: well I agree. In fact Pryor may be the fastest QB in the league right now? Vick is fast, but I'm sure Pryor is up there. All I know is that Tebow regularly produced some nice FF points running the ball and was quite good in the red zone.

One thing Tebow appears to have in the pass game that Pryor has not shown yet - the ability to draw the defense in and get the big pass play. Has anyone seen this yet from Pryor?

All of this is not boosting TT or denigrating Pryor. I like Pryor, I'd say consider picking him up if he starts (and Tebow was a pretty good FF starter btw). But the conversation is over because TT is not likely going to start anywhere ever again, except for some strange injury situation or a desperate team situation. This academic. I do think there's a conversation to be had here about how running QBs with poor passing skills, not just TT, can do well in the NFL and even win because that's in football's DNA. That's a football discussion, this has never been there.

The statements quoted were from Charlie Casserly from the same segment

Charlie Casserly. I watched that discussion (or another one) after Tebow was cut, I laughed.

The guy who picked Heath Shuler with the 3rd overall 1st round pick and David Carr with the 1st overall.

Maybe we should hear what Matt Millen has to say on wide receivers.

 

[RushHour]

To the people who say that a lot of the negativity and hatred towards Tebow is because of the media focus and attention on a guy that isn't warranted, based on NFL ability, how is that Tebow's fault? That's ESPN etc driving that. I haven't seen any ego or arrogance on Tebow's part in that he needs the spotlight - he goes along with the media stuff because he kind of has to, but he's been humble and self-deprecating along the way. Plus, he's been toiling in (relative) football obscurity the last two years and hasn't complained. I still don't get why people dislike him so much or take pleasure in him failing.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

I'm really starting to feel sorry for those people who think Tim Tebow is disliked in football and Fantasy Football circles because of anything other than his lack of ability to play the QB position. I'm not sure what drives their imagination or belief in this gimp winged, slow delivery, inaccurate, non-defense reading QB that they call Tebow but the NFL has spoken.....again. You should listen. He cannot and will not play QB in the NFL for anyone. He got two extra chances, one on a terrible team with a terrible starting QB and another with the idiot coach who drafted him. They both passed on him.

Unfortunately for Tim, he seems to be too selfish of a person to be a good teammate and attempt to play another position and potentially make the roster. I'm not sure what is driving that ego of his, but he is not thinking clearly if he actually wants to play football and make a living in the NFL.

 

[McGarnicle]

I'll tell ya, he may be done, but it was a hell of a run and I will never forget those three thrilling years he gave us. This game we so look forward to each fall sparks our imaginations and makes us hopeful that we're watching the next Unitas, Staubach, Elway or Tebow. You run inside from raking the leaves, mom's got some stew simmering, the crowd roars from the TV as Tebow kneels after another TD toss. That's what football is all about. Thank you, Tim. See you in Canton.

 

[Niles Standish]

I'm really starting to feel sorry for those people who think Tim Tebow is disliked in football and Fantasy Football circles because of anything other than his lack of ability to play the QB position. I'm not sure what drives their imagination or belief in this gimp winged, slow delivery, inaccurate, non-defense reading QB that they call Tebow but the NFL has spoken.....again. You should listen. He cannot and will not play QB in the NFL for anyone. He got two extra chances, one on a terrible team with a terrible starting QB and another with the idiot coach who drafted him. They both passed on him.

Unfortunately for Tim, he seems to be too selfish of a person to be a good teammate and attempt to play another position and potentially make the roster. I'm not sure what is driving that ego of his, but he is not thinking clearly if he actually wants to play football and make a living in the NFL.

Why should he want to play another position? If Tebow is out of the NFL he's a celebrity. He can probably make more money off his name than as a random bench player. That's assuming his athletic gifts are so profound that he can play an entirely new position and be one of the best in the world. Pretty bold assumption.

I thought he was a fun story to watch. And way more interesting than that Orton led team for those of us in Denver. Not to mention probably a lot of the reason Manning chose Denver. Since winning games with that sort of QB makes the rest of the team look a lot better. I mean if Tebow can get to the playoffs what can Peyton do?

I just watch the games not sports center etc so the Tebow-mania never really bothered me. Maybe that's why I don't hate the guy like you seem to.

 

[Joe Summer]

Tebow has been offered a 3-year contract by..... L.A.'s Arena Football team

Tim Tebow and Gene Simmons.....a match made in hell?!

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

 

[shader]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

It makes no sense. Gabbert is a train-wreck, Henne is a stopgap, and Tebow would put fans in the seats and make Jacksonville relevant. And if it didn't work, at least they could get Bridgewater.

Tebow has some shortcomings for sure, but I guarantee that's a better team with Tebow behind center than Gabbert.

 

[lod01]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

Because he's just a waste of time. He's not an NFL QB and they already have one of those on the team. They don't need another. They need to look at the 2014 draft for a real QB.

 

[bagger]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

It makes no sense. Gabbert is a train-wreck, Henne is a stopgap, and Tebow would put fans in the seats and make Jacksonville relevant. And if it didn't work, at least they could get Bridgewater.

Tebow has some shortcomings for sure, but I guarantee that's a better team with Tebow behind center than Gabbert.

i have heard that he is not too well thought of by other players...why add that to the mix. he is an attention whore. always standing by sanchez or whomever as he knows the camera will be there. too many distractions for not enough upside. same reason why to or moss isnt on a team. is he better than some wr5s in the nfl? of course, but not worth what comes with it.

 

[glock]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

It makes no sense. Gabbert is a train-wreck, Henne is a stopgap, and Tebow would put fans in the seats and make Jacksonville relevant. And if it didn't work, at least they could get Bridgewater.

Tebow has some shortcomings for sure, but I guarantee that's a better team with Tebow behind center than Gabbert.

i have heard that he is not too well thought of by other players...why add that to the mix. he is an attention whore. always standing by sanchez or whomever as he knows the camera will be there. too many distractions for not enough upside. same reason why to or moss isnt on a team. is he better than some wr5s in the nfl? of course, but not worth what comes with it.

Been missing my favorite avatar. I never thought of Tebow as an attention whore. I thought that the cameras were always looking to add him to a shot. Same result, kinda. As a Jet fan? Glad he's gone. Could he make things happen for another team given the right team make up, etc? I think so.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I still have no idea why Jacksonville wouldn't try him out

Maybe because he's awful?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

See thats the thing. Tebow is not awful...hes just bad. Gabbert is awful. And the fact that the oline is awful makes henne awful. Tebow would give the jags the best chance to win football games.

 

[PatsFanCT]

See thats the thing. Tebow is not awful...hes just bad. Gabbert is awful. And the fact that the oline is awful makes henne awful. Tebow would give the jags the best chance to win football games.

I couldn't disagree more. Tebow can't throw, and any defense he faced would defend against his average running ability. There's a reason he lost 4 of his last 5 games. He's a gimmick QB, and the rest of the league figured out how to stop him. If any team thought he would give their team the best chance to win, they would sign him. He comes very cheap.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Probably time to transition to a new Tebow thread.

Because this one's done.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Probably time to transition to a new Tebow thread.

Because this one's done.

"***Official Tebow Wandering In the Desert Thread"?

-QG

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Probably time to transition to a new Tebow thread.

Because this one's done.

"***Official Tebow Wandering In the Desert Thread"?

-QG

Or - Possible New Lines of Work for Tebow Thread?

Yes.

Or maybe this belongs in the CFL forum.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

maybe he can just update thread title as necessary --

tebow signed to patriots 1 yr ago

tebow signed to patriots 2 yrs ago

tebow signed to patriots 10 yrs ago

etc

 

[FreeBaGeL]

His issues go deeper than mechanics. He struggles with the mental side of the game as well. He doesn't make his reads. The game is too fast for him and struggles to remember the plays.

The throwing motion and accuracy stuff was overblown. It was always the mental side of the game that held (and always will hold) Tebow back. He had the upside of a guy like Donovan Mcnabb (will tick you off by throwing a short crossing route into the dirt on one play, and make you elated by extending a play and hitting someone deep a few plays later) if he could just read a defense for the plays in between the scrambles and long bombs.

 

[GregR]

I think you guys are being short sighted.

Week 1 of the NFL season is in the books, and Tebow's incompletion and interception rate both dropped significantly compared to preseason.

 

[QuizGuy66]

And then we have this today from good ol' yahoo sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/blaine-gabbert-ruled-week-2-jaguars-ask-tim-203438944--nfl.html

-QG

 

[Hoss Style]

Oh lord.