Tebow vs Cutler (1 Viewer)

[pantagrapher]

It's amazing to me how much playing with a good defense vs a bad defense complete changes (fools) people's perception of a QB. Last year Cutler was the biggest loser in the NFL according to many on this board. Now after one year, where he himself didn't actually play that well compared to his peers, he's a "proven winner".I like Cutler personally, but it's just funny to see.

The Bears were 4-0 this season in games in which their opponents scored 20 points or more. It's not like he only wins low-scoring games.

No they didn't...

What I meant to say is that they won 4 games in which their opponents scored 20 or more. Don't know where I got 4-0. That obviously should have said 4-4.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It's amazing to me how much playing with a good defense vs a bad defense complete changes (fools) people's perception of a QB. Last year Cutler was the biggest loser in the NFL according to many on this board. Now after one year, where he himself didn't actually play that well compared to his peers, he's a "proven winner".

I like Cutler personally, but it's just funny to see.

The Bears were 4-0 this season in games in which their opponents scored 20 points or more. It's not like he only wins low-scoring games.

No they didn't...

What I meant to say is that they won 4 games in which their opponents scored 20 or more. Don't know where I got 4-0. That obviously should have said 4-4.

Yeah, like I said, I like Cutler (and you'll find me arguing on his behalf in many threads). It's just funny to me. Cutler is the same quarterback he was two years ago. Worse, if anything. In both cases, he's a .500 quarterback when his defense gives up 20+ points and a 0.900 quarterback when they give up less. The difference is that now the defense has put them into the latter category (less than 20 points) more than the former (20 or more). So now he's a "proven winner" whereas before he was the leagues biggest loser, even though he's the exact same guy, if not playing worse. The only difference has been the defense.Honestly, you could say the same thing about Tim Tebow in college. His first year as a starter he put up ridiculous numbers. But the Gators lost 4 games. Why? Because their defense sucked. Tebow was just a stat-whore, not a winner. The next two years, "Tebow" went 26-2 as a starter despite playing much worse individually and was considered by all to be "just a flat out winner". Why? Because Florida had the #1 defense in the country those two years.

I'm a huge Gator fan, so I love Tebow. But as a Gator fan, I can say that if Florida had had their same awful defense from 2007 in 2008 and 2009, Florida would have lost 4 games both of those seasons as well (and way more than 4 in 2009), and no one would ever mention Tebow and "winner" in the same sentence. The same way that if the Bears had a bad defense this year, Cutler would still be considered a "loser".

It's silly the amount that wins and losses factor into people's decisions about how good a QB is. People are basing 50% of their opinion of how good a quarterback is based on what happens while they're sitting on the bench.

 

[two_dollars]

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

 

[two_dollars]

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

 

[two_dollars]

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

 

[two_dollars]

It's amazing to me how much playing with a good defense vs a bad defense complete changes (fools) people's perception of a QB. Last year Cutler was the biggest loser in the NFL according to many on this board. Now after one year, where he himself didn't actually play that well compared to his peers, he's a "proven winner".

I like Cutler personally, but it's just funny to see.

The Bears were 4-0 this season in games in which their opponents scored 20 points or more. It's not like he only wins low-scoring games.

No they didn't...

What I meant to say is that they won 4 games in which their opponents scored 20 or more. Don't know where I got 4-0. That obviously should have said 4-4.

Yeah, like I said, I like Cutler (and you'll find me arguing on his behalf in many threads). It's just funny to me. Cutler is the same quarterback he was two years ago. Worse, if anything. In both cases, he's a .500 quarterback when his defense gives up 20+ points and a 0.900 quarterback when they give up less. The difference is that now the defense has put them into the latter category (less than 20 points) more than the former (20 or more). So now he's a "proven winner" whereas before he was the leagues biggest loser, even though he's the exact same guy, if not playing worse. The only difference has been the defense.Honestly, you could say the same thing about Tim Tebow in college. His first year as a starter he put up ridiculous numbers. But the Gators lost 4 games. Why? Because their defense sucked. Tebow was just a stat-whore, not a winner. The next two years, "Tebow" went 26-2 as a starter despite playing much worse individually and was considered by all to be "just a flat out winner". Why? Because Florida had the #1 defense in the country those two years.

I'm a huge Gator fan, so I love Tebow. But as a Gator fan, I can say that if Florida had had their same awful defense from 2007 in 2008 and 2009, Florida would have lost 4 games both of those seasons as well (and way more than 4 in 2009), and no one would ever mention Tebow and "winner" in the same sentence. The same way that if the Bears had a bad defense this year, Cutler would still be considered a "loser".

It's silly the amount that wins and losses factor into people's decisions about how good a QB is. People are basing 50% of their opinion of how good a quarterback is based on what happens while they're sitting on the bench.

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

 

[two_dollars]

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Easy pick.. Cutler.

Yes, he does throw a lot of those that are easy. For the other team.

For some reason I expected better from you Gianmarco....the SP really is turning for the worst and whoever can get in the best one liners.

This was actually my hidden purpose for starting this thread.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Easy pick.. Cutler.

Yes, he does throw a lot of those that are easy. For the other team.

For some reason I expected better from you Gianmarco....the SP really is turning for the worst and whoever can get in the best one liners.

This was my hidden intent for starting this thread.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Easy pick.. Cutler.

Yes, he does throw a lot of those that are easy. For the other team.

For some reason I expected better from you Gianmarco....the SP really is turning for the worst and whoever can get in the best one liners.

This was my hidden intent for starting this thread.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Easy pick.. Cutler.

Yes, he does throw a lot of those that are easy. For the other team.

For some reason I expected better from you Gianmarco....the SP really is turning for the worst and whoever can get in the best one liners.

This was my hidden intent for starting this thread.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Easy pick.. Cutler.

Yes, he does throw a lot of those that are easy. For the other team.

For some reason I expected better from you Gianmarco....the SP really is turning for the worst and whoever can get in the best one liners.

This was my hidden intent for starting this thread.

 

[nysportsfan]

Cutler, but I can see why others think Tebow. I am of the mindset that wants a traditional QB.

 

[two_dollars]

Yes, definitely Cutler.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Yeah, like I said, I like Cutler (and you'll find me arguing on his behalf in many threads). It's just funny to me. Cutler is the same quarterback he was two years ago. Worse, if anything. In both cases, he's a .500 quarterback when his defense gives up 20+ points and a 0.900 quarterback when they give up less. The difference is that now the defense has put them into the latter category (less than 20 points) more than the former (20 or more). So now he's a "proven winner" whereas before he was the leagues biggest loser, even though he's the exact same guy, if not playing worse. The only difference has been the defense.

Honestly, you could say the same thing about Tim Tebow in college. His first year as a starter he put up ridiculous numbers. But the Gators lost 4 games. Why? Because their defense sucked. Tebow was just a stat-whore, not a winner. The next two years, "Tebow" went 26-2 as a starter despite playing much worse individually and was considered by all to be "just a flat out winner". Why? Because Florida had the #1 defense in the country those two years.

I'm a huge Gator fan, so I love Tebow. But as a Gator fan, I can say that if Florida had had their same awful defense from 2007 in 2008 and 2009, Florida would have lost 4 games both of those seasons as well (and way more than 4 in 2009), and no one would ever mention Tebow and "winner" in the same sentence. The same way that if the Bears had a bad defense this year, Cutler would still be considered a "loser".

It's silly the amount that wins and losses factor into people's decisions about how good a QB is. People are basing 50% of their opinion of how good a quarterback is based on what happens while they're sitting on the bench.

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

I have no idea why you're quoting my post with this. Go back to those Orton vs. Cutler threads. I was *vehemently* on the side of Cutler, perhaps more so than anyone else on this board. I've always said the "winner" and "loser" talk is just stupid.

 

[az_prof]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

 

[two_dollars]

Yeah, like I said, I like Cutler (and you'll find me arguing on his behalf in many threads). It's just funny to me. Cutler is the same quarterback he was two years ago. Worse, if anything. In both cases, he's a .500 quarterback when his defense gives up 20+ points and a 0.900 quarterback when they give up less. The difference is that now the defense has put them into the latter category (less than 20 points) more than the former (20 or more). So now he's a "proven winner" whereas before he was the leagues biggest loser, even though he's the exact same guy, if not playing worse. The only difference has been the defense.

Honestly, you could say the same thing about Tim Tebow in college. His first year as a starter he put up ridiculous numbers. But the Gators lost 4 games. Why? Because their defense sucked. Tebow was just a stat-whore, not a winner. The next two years, "Tebow" went 26-2 as a starter despite playing much worse individually and was considered by all to be "just a flat out winner". Why? Because Florida had the #1 defense in the country those two years.

I'm a huge Gator fan, so I love Tebow. But as a Gator fan, I can say that if Florida had had their same awful defense from 2007 in 2008 and 2009, Florida would have lost 4 games both of those seasons as well (and way more than 4 in 2009), and no one would ever mention Tebow and "winner" in the same sentence. The same way that if the Bears had a bad defense this year, Cutler would still be considered a "loser".

It's silly the amount that wins and losses factor into people's decisions about how good a QB is. People are basing 50% of their opinion of how good a quarterback is based on what happens while they're sitting on the bench.

The "winner" argument was ok when people were using it to compare Orton to Cutler. Now that it benefits Cutler, it's not ok to use anymore. This forum is nothing more than a bunch of Cutler haters.

I have no idea why you're quoting my post with this. Go back to those Orton vs. Cutler threads. I was *vehemently* on the side of Cutler, perhaps more so than anyone else on this board. I've always said the "winner" and "loser" talk is just stupid.

ok, my mistake then. I agree with you.

 

[two_dollars]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Yeah, no way he could ever beat the Jets..

 

[whitem0nkey]

1)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/Jdf6G

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown more than 100 touchdowns:

Manning

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Everett

Roethlisberger

Favre

Unitas

2)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/AOtSj

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have completed more than 1300 passes:

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Bledsoe

Favre

3)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/lA8n7

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have passed for more than 15000 yards:

Manning

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Namath

Everett

4)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/oAVt8

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have a completion percentage 61% or over (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Cutler

Roethlisberger

Favre

Brady

Aikman

5)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/L7Kzy

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have a passer rating 80 or over (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Everett

Roethlisberger

Favre

Brady

Kosar

Aikman

6) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/rUzsc

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown for over 15000 yards and rushed for over 500 yards.

Cutler

Manning

7) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/yYZYc

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown for over 100 touchdowns and rushed for over 4 yards per attempt:

Cutler

Favre

Unitas

8) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/CSA30

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, average over 225 yards per game passing (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Everett

Favre

Bledsoe

9) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/DLzhk

These are all the quarterbacks who, age 25 or younger, threw for over 4500 yards in a single season:

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Lomax

He's doing all right at this point, I think, statistics-wise despite not having sterling receivers, a great line or a consistent offensive system.

Hopefully some more stability in offensive systems and a professional offensive-line will help Jay continue to have a fine career.

what has tebow done in his pro career aside from having a commercial about abortion?tim tebow -in 9 NFL games-passing stats 41 completions, 5 TDs - 3 INTs, 6 sacks.

 

[Barry Foster]

Heh, I find this an interesting topic. A year ago, I probably would have said "neither." Both have improved in the last year, I think. I'll take Tebow for now, just because of how much he's improved and his all-world work ethic. I wasn't a Tebow believer at first. After watching how much he improved from the combine to the preseason, and then from the preseason to the last couple weeks of the regular season, I'm confident he will turn out to be a good QB. Cutler has the better stats for now, but there's something said to being the leader of a team. Tebow's definately a better leader than Cutler in my opinion.

 

[greenroom]

1)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/Jdf6G

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown more than 100 touchdowns:

Manning

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Everett

Roethlisberger

Favre

Unitas

2)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/AOtSj

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have completed more than 1300 passes:

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Bledsoe

Favre

3)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/lA8n7

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have passed for more than 15000 yards:

Manning

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Namath

Everett

4)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/oAVt8

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have a completion percentage 61% or over (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Cutler

Roethlisberger

Favre

Brady

Aikman

5)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/L7Kzy

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have a passer rating 80 or over (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Everett

Roethlisberger

Favre

Brady

Kosar

Aikman

6) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/rUzsc

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown for over 15000 yards and rushed for over 500 yards.

Cutler

Manning

7) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/yYZYc

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, have thrown for over 100 touchdowns and rushed for over 4 yards per attempt:

Cutler

Favre

Unitas

8) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/CSA30

These are all the quarterbacks who through their first five seasons, age 27 or younger, average over 225 yards per game passing (minimum 1900 attempts):

Manning

Marino

Cutler

Everett

Favre

Bledsoe

9) http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/DLzhk

These are all the quarterbacks who, age 25 or younger, threw for over 4500 yards in a single season:

Marino

Bledsoe

Cutler

Lomax

He's doing all right at this point, I think, statistics-wise despite not having sterling receivers, a great line or a consistent offensive system.

Hopefully some more stability in offensive systems and a professional offensive-line will help Jay continue to have a fine career.

what has tebow done in his pro career aside from having a commercial about abortion?tim tebow -in 9 NFL games-passing stats 41 completions, 5 TDs - 3 INTs, 6 sacks.

Would be nice if you would paint the correct picture not from your homer vision.

Tim Tebow 9 NFL games 3 Starts 41-82 654 yards 5Td's 3 Ints 6 Sacks 227 rushing yards 5.3 avg 6 TDs

That would be the full picture of Tebows year..

Compared to Cutlers stats

Cutler 5 games 5 starts 81-137 1001 yards 9 TD 5 INT 13 Sacks 18 yards 3.6 avg 0 TD

To me its pretty much a draw when you compare W-L Tebow 1-2 Cutler 2-3. Unless you look at the talent of the team which most would say Cutler had better talent round him.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

 

[az_prof]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

Did you say Playoffs?Seeing as Cutler is 2-0 versus those teams in his two years with Chicago, how could you come to such a conclusion?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's comical to see folk keep raising the requirements on Cutler every time he beats the previous complaint.

 

[DoubleG]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

On 12/25, the Jets were playing for a playoff seed and home game - the Bears were playing for the same. The Steelers argument - fine, but the Jets were playing hard and for something - and that game was less than a month ago.Cutler can (and has) beaten each of the teams remaining in the playoffs. Is that a guarantee that he will again? Nope. But to say there is "No way" he will is simply baseless and silly.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

BusterTBronco: great job spamming my inbox with a bunch of nonsense trash talk, then blocking your inbox so you can't get PM replies. Let's just say all of your juvenile garbage....failed to deliver. Stay classy.

 

[shnikies]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow wouldn't be effective enough with a Bennett's fracture to make the playoffs. So, I don't find it hard to imagine.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow will never make the playoffs so he won't have to worry about it.

 

[qimqam]

It depends on the the qualities your looking for in your QB.

Fat, Lazy, Quitter/Loser

or

Athletic, Enthusiastic Leader/Winner

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It depends on the the qualities your looking for in your QB.Fat, Lazy, Quitter/Loser orAthletic, Enthusiastic Leader/Winner

 

[footballnerd]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow will never make the playoffs so he won't have to worry about it.

kind of harsh for one game out from the playoffs

 

[Max Power]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

Has Tebow even played a team that is going to make the playoffs? oh yeah...Detroit.

 

[shnikies]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

Has Tebow even played a team that is going to make the playoffs? oh yeah...Detroit.

Detroit isn't going to make the playoffs. He also played the Raiders who are going to make the playoffs. If the Raiders don't make the playoffs, it means the Broncos will.

 

[Max Power]

To me its pretty much a draw when you compare W-L Tebow 1-2 Cutler 2-3. Unless you look at the talent of the team which most would say Cutler had better talent round him.

I would think most would say Denver has more talent on offense. Although its probably close

 

[ivnabru]

It's nice Cutler beat SEA, but let's be real: home game against a sub-five hundred team does not make you a great QB. if Cutler plays well and is a big part of the Bears beating Pack, I will will more positive. No way he beats Jets or Steelers though. So, one division championship and one playoff win for Cutler is fine, but if Tebow goes on to win several SB it won't mean much. Cutler is in his fourth year and so it is a bit premature to compare them, but I would prefer proven leadership and unlimited potential over poor leadership and an uneven production over four seasons.

Already happened.Cutler beat Steelers last year and Jets this year.

In the playoffs? Playoff intensity and preparation is a whole different order of magnitude and the Steelers in particular are always a tough out in the playoffs.

Has Tebow even played a team that is going to make the playoffs? oh yeah...Detroit.

Oakland probably (otherwise the Broncos are almost certainly in).Jets possibly (with that upcoming schedule have a very good shot).

So there's a good chance 3 of the 6 teams he has played are in the playoffs which would be a pretty tough schedule considering 3/8 teams make it on average.

 

[urbanhack]

Cutler has a better arm. Tebow has better intangibles. I'll take Tebow.

Cutler runs scared; Tebow runs tough. I want a tough leader for my team. Cutler just sheds fear and whining. Cutler is an ok NFL QB. Tebow may not become one; but, he has a much higher ceiling. I think we have seen the best that Cutler has and it is average.

did you watch any of the games Cutler played before he got hurt? I'm no fan of Cutler, but that guy can make a lot of throws that other QBs in the league just can't.

 

[shnikies]

Cutler has a better arm. Tebow has better intangibles. I'll take Tebow.

Cutler runs scared; Tebow runs tough. I want a tough leader for my team. Cutler just sheds fear and whining. Cutler is an ok NFL QB. Tebow may not become one; but, he has a much higher ceiling. I think we have seen the best that Cutler has and it is average.

did you watch any of the games Cutler played before he got hurt? I'm no fan of Cutler, but that guy can make a lot of throws that other QBs in the league just can't.

You're responding to a post from January. Anybody that watched Cutler the half dozen games leading up to the injury that says he played at anything short of an elite level is obviously blind.

 

[Breesisdaman]

needs to be an option for none of the above

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow will never make the playoffs so he won't have to worry about it.

kind of harsh for one game out from the playoffs

Not as harsh as a someone blaming Cutler for having a broken bone that he can't help. Do you blame Matt Schuab for not toughing it out then?I'd argue Cutler is the toughest QB in the NFL with all the hits i've seen him get up from the last 2 years.

Tebow won't be a starting QB on a team in the playoffs, that's a promise.

 

[yoman]

You could start this thread comparing any QB with Tebow and he would be the obvious pick. You only need character and intangibles in a QB when building a franchise. I once saw Aaron Rodgers get angry with a receiver on the field which removes him from contention. Drew Brees plays football in front of a bunch of sinners and by transitive properties is obviously going straight to hell. Cutler is a pouter. He always hangs his teammates out to dry and he faked an injury in the NFC championship game when the going got tough. I'll take Timmy any day of the week.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Cutler AINEC. I don't think he's a great QB, but he's at least serviceable and capable of taking a team to the playoffs. Tebow will be lucky to reach that level.

From a revenue standpoint... Do you think Tebow would sell a lot more Jerseys and bobble heads? And have you factored this into your decision?

You forgot about having God on your side factor. Having said that, I picked Cutler.

 

[cvnpoka]

tebow has a great chance to make the playoffs since they hold the tiebreak on the bengals and jets. have a nice schedule where they will only be dogs in one game. jets have a cakewalk schedule. bengals need to pull 2 out vs steelers, ravens and texans.

 

[footballnerd]

Not as harsh as a someone blaming Cutler for having a broken bone that he can't help. Do you blame Matt Schuab for not toughing it out then?I'd argue Cutler is the toughest QB in the NFL with all the hits i've seen him get up from the last 2 years.Tebow won't be a starting QB on a team in the playoffs, that's a promise.

I was only addressing the Broncos being one game out. Cutler def shows toughness every time he peels himself from the ground and gets behind center in a Martz offense.

 

[Ray_T]

I think it depends on your team.

If you have solid talent set up for a traditional NFL style offense, it would be a waste to have teebow in there.

If you have receivers who can catch the ball, but no stars, and a weak offensive line, then Teebow is your answer. He's the type of QB that can make something out of nothing, and thrives on broken plays that turn into a scramble.

 

[two_dollars]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow will never make the playoffs so he won't have to worry about it.

kind of harsh for one game out from the playoffs

Not as harsh as a someone blaming Cutler for having a broken bone that he can't help. Do you blame Matt Schuab for not toughing it out then?I'd argue Cutler is the toughest QB in the NFL with all the hits i've seen him get up from the last 2 years.

Tebow won't be a starting QB on a team in the playoffs, that's a promise.

Tebow wins. Bears lose. What else is new, #####?

Yep, Cutler played terrible today.

 

[shnikies]

Hard to imagine Tebow letting a little thing like a thumb injury keep him out of the playoffs.

Tebow will never make the playoffs so he won't have to worry about it.

kind of harsh for one game out from the playoffs

Not as harsh as a someone blaming Cutler for having a broken bone that he can't help. Do you blame Matt Schuab for not toughing it out then?I'd argue Cutler is the toughest QB in the NFL with all the hits i've seen him get up from the last 2 years.

Tebow won't be a starting QB on a team in the playoffs, that's a promise.

Tebow wins. Bears lose. What else is new, #####?

I thought "what else is new?" is usually used sarcastically?

 

[glumpy]

:$$:

I actually dropped Cutler for Tebow the week it was announced he was starting. Don't get me wrong--I'm a Cutler fan from waaaaay back and have carried him on my fantasy teams at least 80% of the time he's been playing. And--in a Martz offense--look at the potential!!! Nope. Not gonna happen.

Look at what happened to Bulger. It's happening to Cutler. There's one QB who we've seen really thrive in a Martz offense and that's Warner--and I honestly think it's because of his Arena League background where you're trained to look quick and react even quicker, know the routes and don't think twice, sling the ball and ask questions later.

Ever watched Arena games? They're worth it.

Tebow is all or nothing--it'll work, or it won't. After seeing his fantasy numbers the last three games of last season I jumped him as fast as the starting job was given to him. As a Carolina fan I love Fox, and I've always followed and liked Elway--but if Tebow succeeds This season it will be in spite of them. I'm really rooting for him to do so; he's a real inspiration, like him or not. Sure as hell don't know when to play him though....this week he would have been good for over 28 points in my league but given the past month's numbers I've got him benched in favor of Romo. :fingers crossed:

 

[Blue Demon]

Can't believe the poll is this close. I don't envy Elway's position. He knows he doesn't have an NFL-caliber QB in Tebow yet what can you do given the results? He best have a good plan B going into next season - I just can't see this good fortune lasting.

 

[az_prof]

Can't believe the poll is this close. I don't envy Elway's position. He knows he doesn't have an NFL-caliber QB in Tebow yet what can you do given the results? He best have a good plan B going into next season - I just can't see this good fortune lasting.

Tebow and it isn't even close. Cutler is a loser. He is a whiner. He is not a leader. QB is about more than a strong arm. We are starting to see in Tebow's game how those intangibles really do matter.