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Teixeira To Yanks (1 Viewer)
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It'll be an interesting year, that's for sure....
The Man from Laramie
Footballguy
Only 7 teams that have actually won the NBA title in the past 25 YEARS. The NFL has had about twice as many champions over that time frame. The NHL has had 7 different champions over the past ten years. 7 different baseball teams have won the World Series over the past 8 years, and none of them were the Yankees.Baseball's problem is that the regular season means something, and teams with no legitimate chance to win the title don't make it to the playoffs. Everyone knows simply making the playoffs in basketball and hockey means next to nothing. Football's slightly better. The main perceptual problem with baseball parity is the salary discrepancies, and the league's unwillingness to trash the regular season by expanding the playoffs.And I agree that baseball should have a salary cap, but where do you set it? You have 5 teams spending over $120MM and 5 teams spending below $55MM.Should I lament that billionaire Carl Polhad doesn't spend as much on his players as the multi-millionaire Stienbrenner family does? Should I feel sorry for the Marlins who cut their salary to laughable levels (while still competing BTW.maybe this is why fans of teams like the Royals and the Orioles hate the Marlins; they've shown how to win over time with no real financial resources), while receiving royalties from baseball's luxury tax system?Maybe baseball should set itself up like European soccer leagues, with demotion and different tiers. If that were the case, though, I'd want at least a best 5 of 9 series for the World Series. Wouldn't want to see a team that couldn't win under the current system, get a free ride to a title game by playing inferior opponents, only to throw their two best pitchers 20 innings a piece in the World Series.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Yes, that guy and his family are a ####.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Over the past 110 years, one team has won nearly 25% of the world series.Guess which one
Alias
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Horrible. Simply horrible.
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Insoxicated
Anyone who wasn't expecting this was nuts. Yanks sat back...waited on everyone to throw down their "final" offer.. then wrote a check. Smart business rather than bidding up through the whole process.
Regarding folks saying this proves baseball is rigged...listen to the wise posters pointing out your folly. Look at NBA (Lakers 4 appearances / Pistons 2 appearances / Spurs 2 appearances)... the NFL (Patriots 4 appearances / GIants 2 appearances / Rams 2 appearances). MLB looks similar with Yanks (3) Red Sox (2) Cardinals (2).
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
They've committed like $423M this off-season (so far) for Sabathia, Burnett, and Texiera!
How can MLB continue to let teams attempt to buy titles? Salary cap, anyone?
How can MLB continue to let teams attempt to buy titles? Salary cap, anyone?
Copeman
Footballguy
Yeah, but......
Not that it matters anyways. I hate baseball nowadays, and this is one of the reasons.
Not that it matters anyways. I hate baseball nowadays, and this is one of the reasons.
Wrigley
Footballguy
What does all of this mean?
Anyone who wasn't expecting this was nuts. Yanks sat back...waited on everyone to throw down their "final" offer.. then wrote a check. Smart business rather than bidding up through the whole process.
Regarding folks saying this proves baseball is rigged...listen to the wise posters pointing out your folly. Look at NBA (Lakers 4 appearances / Pistons 2 appearances / Spurs 2 appearances)... the NFL (Patriots 4 appearances / GIants 2 appearances / Rams 2 appearances). MLB looks similar with Yanks (3) Red Sox (2) Cardinals (2).
Thunderlips
Footballguy
What it means is that despite the differences in salary between various teams in regards to championships/dynasties and playoff teams..the MLB has as much parity as those leagues that have a salary cap.The big difference between the MLB and the other three is that MLB has such an extensive minor league system. It is possible for a franchise who drafts smart and develops young talent go on a championship run with little money invested. The minor league system is the bulkhead against a financial giant dominating the league.What does all of this mean?
Anyone who wasn't expecting this was nuts. Yanks sat back...waited on everyone to throw down their "final" offer.. then wrote a check. Smart business rather than bidding up through the whole process.
Regarding folks saying this proves baseball is rigged...listen to the wise posters pointing out your folly. Look at NBA (Lakers 4 appearances / Pistons 2 appearances / Spurs 2 appearances)... the NFL (Patriots 4 appearances / GIants 2 appearances / Rams 2 appearances). MLB looks similar with Yanks (3) Red Sox (2) Cardinals (2).
Thunderlips
Footballguy
New York dominated everything in this country (from politics to sports to revenue to entertainment) for the past 100 years.
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The Ghost of Common
Guest
Yankee fans trying to be modest about the fact that they haven't won a championship in 8 years just cracks me up. There are 2 dozen other franchises that would kill to have won their last championship 8 years ago.
This helps - this gives the Yankees the best team in baseball on paper bar none. They locked in the top hitters on the market and the top 2 pitchers on the market.
It matters what happens on the field; right we get that. But it's like 2 pro golfers - 1 with the best caddy, equipment, and conditioning in the sport taking on a golfer with all wooden clubs, a numbnut for a caddy and no coach.
Sure, Golfer B is going to win 1 out of 10, maybe even 2 out of 10. But over the course of time - it's just going to be an insurmountable feat for him to sustain any prolonged period of success against the other guy.
This helps - this gives the Yankees the best team in baseball on paper bar none. They locked in the top hitters on the market and the top 2 pitchers on the market.
It matters what happens on the field; right we get that. But it's like 2 pro golfers - 1 with the best caddy, equipment, and conditioning in the sport taking on a golfer with all wooden clubs, a numbnut for a caddy and no coach.
Sure, Golfer B is going to win 1 out of 10, maybe even 2 out of 10. But over the course of time - it's just going to be an insurmountable feat for him to sustain any prolonged period of success against the other guy.
The Man from Laramie
Footballguy
But you can't change the past. Under the modern system, the Yankees have won about 6 championships in about 35 years. That's more than chance would dictate, but it's hard to argue that it's undeniable evidence of a broken system The Mets and Dodgers and Cubs of the past 15 years are great examples of how money isn't everything. The Marlins, Rockies, Rays are good examples too
Wrigley
Footballguy
The Rays, Rockies, and Marlins have great systems in place, the big difference is they can't afford to keep their talent once they reach free agency. Something NY and it's 250,000,000 payroll have a problem with.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
This is not a fair point. If Pohlad or any other owner wanted to spend $250 million, they would have to come out of their pocket with well over $100 million of it, while the Yankees could probably spend $400 million and still make a profit. That is a grossly unfair advantage over the rest of the league. Any owner would do the same thing if they had the revenues that the Yankees have. I wouldn't care as much about them spending money if the playing field was level, but it isn't even close to that.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't disagree that the luxury tax should be increased and that a minimum team payroll should be established in which teams need to spend the luxury tax money they get. After all, what's good for MLB is obviously good for the Yankees. But has a cap helped the NBA, NHL or NFL? There are more than a few people I know who think no to all three.
Wrigley
Footballguy
You know, people always complain about what MLB players make, but not in other sports. How about this list of NBA players from insidehoops.com:
1) Kevin Garnett (Boston) $24,751,934
2)tie Jason Kidd (Dallas) $21,372,000
2)tie Jermaine O'Neal (Toronto) $21,372,000
4) Kobe Bryant (LA Lakers) $21,262,500
5) Shaquille O'Neal (Phoenix) $21,000,000
6)tie Allen Iverson (Detroit) $20,840,625
6)tie. Stephon Marbury (New York) $20,840,625
8) Tim Duncan (San Antonio) $20,598,704
9) Tracy McGrady (Houston) $20,370,437
10) Ray Allen (Boston) $18,388,430
11) Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas) $18,077,904
12) Paul Pierce (Boston) $18,077,903
13) Shawn Marion (Miami) $17,810,000
14) Rashard Lewis (Orlando) $16,447,871
15) Michael Redd (Milwaukee) $15,780,000
16)tie Pau Gasol (LA Lakers) $15,106,000
16)tie. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah) $15,106,000
18)tie. Amare Stoudemire (Pho.) $15,070,550
18)tie Yao Ming (Houston) $15,070,550
20) Mike Bibby (Atlanta) $14,983,603
Also, what about the money actors get for movies? Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey get about $20 million dollars per movie. I think twice about renting one of their movies from the Red Box for $1.00.
I know the Yankees spend a lot of money on player salaries. They have ALWAYS spent a lot of money. Wasn't Babe Ruth the first $100,000 player? Reggie Jackson was one of the highest paid players when he signed as a free agent with them. Just because they are spending all of this money, doesn't mean they will automatically win the World Series. Look at how much Detroit and Boston spent on salaries last year? They didn't win the Series either.
It just seems to me that baseball players get singled out for what they make.
1) Kevin Garnett (Boston) $24,751,934
2)tie Jason Kidd (Dallas) $21,372,000
2)tie Jermaine O'Neal (Toronto) $21,372,000
4) Kobe Bryant (LA Lakers) $21,262,500
5) Shaquille O'Neal (Phoenix) $21,000,000
6)tie Allen Iverson (Detroit) $20,840,625
6)tie. Stephon Marbury (New York) $20,840,625
8) Tim Duncan (San Antonio) $20,598,704
9) Tracy McGrady (Houston) $20,370,437
10) Ray Allen (Boston) $18,388,430
11) Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas) $18,077,904
12) Paul Pierce (Boston) $18,077,903
13) Shawn Marion (Miami) $17,810,000
14) Rashard Lewis (Orlando) $16,447,871
15) Michael Redd (Milwaukee) $15,780,000
16)tie Pau Gasol (LA Lakers) $15,106,000
16)tie. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah) $15,106,000
18)tie. Amare Stoudemire (Pho.) $15,070,550
18)tie Yao Ming (Houston) $15,070,550
20) Mike Bibby (Atlanta) $14,983,603
Also, what about the money actors get for movies? Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey get about $20 million dollars per movie. I think twice about renting one of their movies from the Red Box for $1.00.
I know the Yankees spend a lot of money on player salaries. They have ALWAYS spent a lot of money. Wasn't Babe Ruth the first $100,000 player? Reggie Jackson was one of the highest paid players when he signed as a free agent with them. Just because they are spending all of this money, doesn't mean they will automatically win the World Series. Look at how much Detroit and Boston spent on salaries last year? They didn't win the Series either.
It just seems to me that baseball players get singled out for what they make.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I've heard people say that the cap contributes to a water downed product where there are very few chances for an organization to have a dynasty style team. yeah I know....Pats down?
DropKick
Footballguy
Those players are distributed around the league somewhat... In baseball, the Yankees have the 4 highest paid players. That could move to five if they chased Manny. I think it's embarrassing...
DropKick
Footballguy
Yankee fans love a stacked deck.This is awesome!
DropKick
Footballguy
Just because the Yankees have underachieved doesn't mean the system works. A virtually guaranteed play-off spot each year... It is a broken system.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Stealing Money.
Onions
Footballguy
I am assuming the Phillies and Rays are part of that list?Who are the other 3-4 teams?
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Why should there be a salary cap when half the teams in the league wouldn't come close to reaching it anyway? If anything there should be a salary FLOOR to make teams spend some money. If you have 30 teams bidding on high priced players the Yankees wont win so often, when they are just bidding against Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles and the Mets then they have a 1 in 6 chance of landing the player. Make it 1 in 30 and they'll get less of the big name players. If teams can't afford a salary floor get a new owner or move the team. It sounds harsh and unfair but you can't run a business in a place that cant support it. Having a team is not a right, its a privilege. Whats the point of the Yanks writing a welfare check every year if the teams they give it to dont spend it?
yankeebrat
Footballguy
Merry Christmas Yankee fans!!! This is an exciting signing!
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Well they dropped 88 million from their payroll last year, and their signings so far are less than that total, I believe, so as of right now, yes, i believe this to be true
Oh Yes!
Footballguy
bad comparison. is there what, 8 or 9 rostered players on an NBA team? MLB teams carry 24 or more i think...big difference
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Well at least the Red Sux didn't get him. The Yankees are what is wrong with baseball as a whole but they are setting themselves up for monumental failure here. There is no way they can't expect to at least be in the World Series five of the next seven years or so and that's just not gonna happen. If they don't win the World Series in the next two years they might implode.
Tau837
Footballguy
The NBA instituted its current cap in 1984-85. I suppose one could argue that the 80s Lakers and Celtics dynasties were already in place, but certainly the Bulls, Lakers, and Spurs have built dynasties since then. The Rockets and Pistons also were able to build teams that won back to back championships under the cap system. I believe the salary cap is widely believed to have been instrumental in transforming the NBA from a struggling league to an extremely successful league.The NHL has only had its cap in place since 2005, so I'm not sure it is reasonable to judge its success at this point. I'm pretty sure some aspects of the latest collective bargaining agreement are phasing in over several years.
The NFL cap has been in place since 1994, and obviously the Pats have had a dynasty since then. I'd argue the Colts have as well, though they only have the one title.
IMO salary caps are good for pro sports leagues.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
This is depressing not because the Yankees will be able to "buy" another championship, it is depressing because it is a reminder that baseball has never taken the correct stance on free agency. The players union still holds the league by the balls and it is sickening. You team goes out and does the right thing to find a player but even if they take the time and develop them they won't be around long. In every other sport the opportunity for a player to spend his entire career with one team is still a possibility, in baseball it is practically zero. Hell, the only one that comes to mind is Smoltz and he wasn't raised a Brave and also may be on his way to another team. I mean look at basketball who has the best way of doing it. The Cavs have the ability to resign Lebron. Even if it doesn't happen they have as legit a shot as any. Do you think the Rays will be able to keep their core together or if the Pirates/Royals develop an awesome player they'll be able to keep them around? It isn't even about the Yankees being in a "big" market. Both LA teams and the Mets are in comparable markets and don't do this stuff. The fact is is that the Yankees reach into their YES network allowing them to do buy whoever they want. I don't hate them for that, its not against the rules and its to their advantage. What I do hate is the players union and the ownership for letting this linger. At some point its going to blow up in their face with another strike or lockout because the disparity in teams is getting further and further apart every year despite what the World Series results tell us. It should not be a fact that their are teams who right now no matter what they do for the rest of the off-season are already out of contention.
The 5/7-game playoff series is the great leveler. Although this spending spree ensures that NY is going to have their names in the hat a lot more.
Pretty amazing that either NY, Boston or Tampa isn't going to be in the postseason next year. Not to mention Toronto, who were half-decent last year in a brutal division.
The Yankees are the symptom of the larger problem that is a lack of a cap. Gonna be hilarious to see Sawks fans boo Teixeira next year, since their 8 year, $170M offer came up short.
Pretty amazing that either NY, Boston or Tampa isn't going to be in the postseason next year. Not to mention Toronto, who were half-decent last year in a brutal division.
The Yankees are the symptom of the larger problem that is a lack of a cap. Gonna be hilarious to see Sawks fans boo Teixeira next year, since their 8 year, $170M offer came up short.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Actually given how tough that division is, two of them could be left out.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
Because one player in the NBA can basically make a huge difference. Lebron or Kobe and 4 other average guys can make a very competitive team. In baseball you can be the greatest player of all time and be quite limited in what you do for the overall team. Plus NBA players have a far more demanding physical strain placed on them which can definitely shorten their careers. Baseball players are busy having feathers and Guitar Hero take them out of games.
