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Teixeira To Yanks (1 Viewer)

You know, people always complain about what MLB players make, but not in other sports. How about this list of NBA players from insidehoops.com:
Because one player in the NBA can basically make a huge difference. Lebron or Kobe and 4 other average guys can make a very competitive team. In baseball you can be the greatest player of all time and be quite limited in what you do for the overall team.
Babe Ruth made a difference. So did Sandy Koufax, Jack Morris, Carl Yaztremski, Joe Morgan, Sam Crawford, Stan Musial, and so many more. If one player made that much difference in the NBA guys like George Gervin, Lebron James, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, and many more would have more championships. In fact I don't think those guys have any. A guy like A-Rod makes a huge difference in a team winning or losing. Lance Berkman, Pujols, Joe Mauer, and Hanley Ramirez can all make a difference in a team winning 30+ games over a season. If you think that NBA players have more of a direct impact on their team pound for pound I would agree but only because the NBA has 5 guys on the court at the same time, baseball has 9.
Plus NBA players have a far more demanding physical strain placed on them which can definitely shorten their careers.
162 games in 180 days. Not sure if you've traveled much but the travel schedule alone takes a tremendous toll. The NBA is a game requiring little thought and depends largely on athletic ability. Baseball requires a lot of scouting, is based on a ton of one on one match-ups, and requires much more concentration. Mentally IMO baseball is a much tougher game and mental strain cannot be ignored.
 
They've committed like $423M this off-season (so far) for Sabathia, Burnett, and Texiera!

How can MLB continue to let teams attempt to buy titles? Salary cap, anyone?
Why should there be a salary cap when half the teams in the league wouldn't come close to reaching it anyway? If anything there should be a salary FLOOR to make teams spend some money. If you have 30 teams bidding on high priced players the Yankees wont win so often, when they are just bidding against Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles and the Mets then they have a 1 in 6 chance of landing the player. Make it 1 in 30 and they'll get less of the big name players. If teams can't afford a salary floor get a new owner or move the team. It sounds harsh and unfair but you can't run a business in a place that cant support it. Having a team is not a right, its a privilege.

Whats the point of the Yanks writing a welfare check every year if the teams they give it to dont spend it?
Where do you propose these "welfare" teams move to?(if everyone played on an even $$$ field, teams wouldn't have to move)........I'm sure NY could support 4-5 MLB teams(that would even the field a bit)
 
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What is all this hubbub about? The fact is, ANYTHING short of winning a world series is an abject (sp?) failure considering how much the yanks continually spend. IF they win the world series, big deal - they SHOULD. Anything less is pathetic.

They can't win. Well, their bandwagon fans can, but the real yanks fans (and I do know some of them) have zero upside. Its win (and they should) or failure (again, which is probably going to happen anyway).

Unless they get at least 2 of the next 5 series rings, they underpeform.

 
What is all this hubbub about? The fact is, ANYTHING short of winning a world series is an abject (sp?) failure considering how much the yanks continually spend. IF they win the world series, big deal - they SHOULD. Anything less is pathetic.They can't win. Well, their bandwagon fans can, but the real yanks fans (and I do know some of them) have zero upside. Its win (and they should) or failure (again, which is probably going to happen anyway).Unless they get at least 2 of the next 5 series rings, they underpeform.
I completely disagree with this. REAL Yankee fans (and real baseball fans for that matter) understand that a lot can go wrong during the course of a season. And even more can go wrong during a short playoff series, as we've seen with them quite a bit the last few years. You're just assuming that the Yankees have the best team on paper so even the true fans take it for granted that they'll win.I've got news for you. There were times when the Yankees had Ruth, Gehrig, and Lazzeri in one lineup. They had Gehrig, Lazzeri, DiMaggio, and Dickey. They had DiMag, Yogi, Mantle, and Whitey. They didn't win the WS every year. There were times they didn't make the WS. REAL baseball fans and REAL Yankee fans understand that it's a long, grueling season and the playoffs tend to be a crapshoot based on how good Pitcher A does on a given day.We aren't taking anything for granted. I don't expect a WS win but yes, I want them to win. And I'll root just as hard as I would've if they had signed no one. I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of the "real" fans as much as you think you do. I know you're a Met fan so maybe it's sour grapes, I don't know -- but if you're trying to set it up to suggest that a Yankee fan won't possibly be able to enjoy the 2009 season, let me assure you that nothing could be further from the truth.Sorry if this came across confrontational...I mean nothing against you, just that i've heard this argument time and again since 2001 and I think it's one of the more overblown theories of non-Yankee fans.
 
Yanks have been trying to purchase a world series since the 90's. Maybe this will put them over the hump. He basically got the same contract Manny got 6 years ago. Thing is Tex, is not manny in his prime. This guy is overrated and he won't even sniff Manny's numbers. That said, if they really got him for 20M per, it wasn't a terrible signing. I'm surprised Henry hadn't already made that same offer.

 
And to the person complaining earlier about baseball making it damn near impossible for one guy to spend his entire career with one organization while the NFL and NBA do allow it, I ask you this:

HUH?!?

The NBA system is set up so that every single player in the league's contract ends after his fourth year if I'm not mistaken. They not only have a salary cap on the team, but they also have it on each individual player. That's inherently wrong in my opinion because a "max money" guy can only make "max money" even if he is ten times the player another "max money" guy is. The NFL likewise doesn't allow for continuity within the team because the contracts aren't guaranteed (which is a joke since those guys are risking the most). Players can be cut at any moment, which is why we hear about summertime holdouts all the time. When's the last time there was a baseball holdout? Right, there wasn't one.

I don't have the numbers, but I would venture a guess that over the last 20 years, there are a lot more baseball players who have spent their entire careers or at least 10+ seasons with one team than basketball or football.

Oh and the Yankees are currently below last year's payroll even after these signings and upping Wang to $5 mil. People act like this is some sort of accident that they have all this money. $88 million was coming off the books for a primo free agent crop -- do you think Cashman just lucked into that? And we're going to go through this song and dance again next offseason because Matsui, Nady and Damon's contracts are up. That'll free up over $30 million more. It shouldn't come as some sort of shock that they signed guys because obviously we know that their payroll threshold is somewhere right around $200 million. If you want to lament that, ok fine but it's not like it's any different than it was in 2008. It's just that the $90 million is being spent on guys like Sabathia and Teixeira rather than Giambi and Carl Pavano.

 
I want to take what has been mentioned in these forums before a step further. I agree there needs to be a salary floor and a cap. If the minor league franchises run in Pittsburgh, Florida, etc would spend even $50 million, and cap the top teams at $150 million, I think I have found before, the money in MLB wouldn't change, it would just move around more from team to team. This is why the NFL (I know not the only reason) is so successful. Unless you are the Lions, you actually can turn things around somewhat quickly if you have front office guys that know what's up. I agree that the big market teams shouldn't keep paying the little guys, just to see that cash go in their pockets. If we can't support all of these teams then contract a couple or 4 for god's sake! I still don't think the Yanks win the World Series personally, as I think Boston gets left out of the party and the Rays stay right there. Just my 2 cents worth

 
Oh and the Yankees are currently below last year's payroll even after these signings and upping Wang to $5 mil. People act like this is some sort of accident that they have all this money. $88 million was coming off the books for a primo free agent crop -- do you think Cashman just lucked into that? And we're going to go through this song and dance again next offseason because Matsui, Nady and Damon's contracts are up. That'll free up over $30 million more. It shouldn't come as some sort of shock that they signed guys because obviously we know that their payroll threshold is somewhere right around $200 million. If you want to lament that, ok fine but it's not like it's any different than it was in 2008. It's just that the $90 million is being spent on guys like Sabathia and Teixeira rather than Giambi and Carl Pavano.
The $88 Million that came off the books, was more than what 16 other MLB teams paid last year.
 
Yanks have been trying to purchase a world series since the 90's. Maybe this will put them over the hump. He basically got the same contract Manny got 6 years ago. Thing is Tex, is not manny in his prime. This guy is overrated and he won't even sniff Manny's numbers. That said, if they really got him for 20M per, it wasn't a terrible signing. I'm surprised Henry hadn't already made that same offer.
You're absolutely right that Tex is not Manny, but he fills a need for NY much like Manny did in Boston. The salary thing is sort of irrelevant because he's getting paid as much as Manny did due to inflation in the game since 2001. With each offseason, the minimum and average salaries go up...and the top end guys get more than the guys before them (see Johan/Sabathia). So the amount of the money has to be compared relative to the timeframe. And if it took the highest offer to get him, so be it.That said, suggesting he won't sniff Manny's numbers is silly. You were probably fishing, but just in case you weren't...He's one of the premier hitting 1B in the game already. He'll consistently give you 35-115-.290 with an OPS between .950-1.000. He also plays Gold Glove defense. Tex averages over the past 5 seasons:G - 1522B - 39HR - 35RBI - 118BA - .295K/BB - 80/115For comparison's sake, here are Manny's averages in the 5 seasons prior to joining the Sox (he was also 28, like Tex, when they signed him):G - 1432B - 38HR - 37RBI - 126BA - .322K/BB - 84/118And before anyone questions why I included games played, it's not as a point in favor of Teixeira that he was durable or anything. It was a point in favor of Manny that he put up these numbers despite playing less. So I acknowledge that he is Tex's superior. That said, I'm not ready to say it's not close. Look at the numbers. It's very close.Tex was 7-15 in the only postseason appearance of his career last year against Boston. Again, small sample size but if we're going to use it against Sabathia then it should be in favor for Tex. I realize it wasn't the most productive series with just 1 ribbie, but the Angels as a team forgot to show up for much of that series.It's getting old that on this board that whenever the Red Sox do anything people go ape #### because it was just such a brilliant maneuver. And when the Yankees do something as minor as sign a backup catcher, they're a bunch of fools who don't know what they're doing. I've got news for you people...both front offices have been incredibly dumb for many reasons over the last 5-7 years but the Yankees money has saved Theo from making some horrid decisions. Remember, he wanted A-Rod and "settled" for Mueller and Lowell since then. Not too shabby. He wanted Vazquez and settled on Schilling. He wanted Contreras and settled on nobody. They wanted to bring back Damon, but when they couldn't they got to see what they have in Ellsbury. Now they wanted Tex. While I think it's a good move for NY it might be that the Yankees have saved them from another dumb call. Regardless, it's not like Boston's front office is full of geniuses and the Yankees are a bunch of morons. They're ALL morons, and they could learn a thing or five from the ACTUAL geniuses down in Tampa's front office.
 
Why do Yankees fans continually put the Red Sox in the same payroll boat? The Yanks spent 37% more than the Sox last year. In fact the difference in payroll between the Yanks and the Red Sox would cover the payroll of 14 teams last year.

There's really no comparison. The Sox stay competitive. The Yanks try to buy championships and fail. They ruin the market. I'm not worried though. 4 years from now Sabathia will be pushing 400 lbs, Burnett will have not seen the mound in 16 months, and Tex will be tearing the Yanks clubhouse apart.

 
Why do Yankees fans continually put the Red Sox in the same payroll boat? The Yanks spent 37% more than the Sox last year. In fact the difference in payroll between the Yanks and the Red Sox would cover the payroll of 14 teams last year.

There's really no comparison. The Sox stay competitive. The Yanks try to buy championships and fail. They ruin the market. I'm not worried though. 4 years from now Sabathia will be pushing 400 lbs, Burnett will have not seen the mound in 16 months, and Tex will be tearing the Yanks clubhouse apart.
Is this directed at me? I didn't put them in the same "payroll boat". You mentioned that Tex is essentially getting the same deal Manny got back in 2001 so I responded to it. If this wasn't directed at me, then nevermind.Anyway if Sabathia is pushing 400 pounds, Burnett dies, and Teixeira flies off the handle in a post-roid rage incident then the Yankees will probably sign whatever free agents are available that year too. It's what they do. Obviously as we've seen year after year, the money doesn't buy a championship; what it does is, it buys the flexibility to be wrong a whole lot. That's the key aspect that most people fail to realize and it's far more important than buying titles. If any other team had signed Giambi, they wouldn't have seen the playoffs once during his contract. Instead, the Yanks made it ever year but one. And once you're in the crapshoot postseason, anything can happen.

 
Yanks have been trying to purchase a world series since the 90's. Maybe this will put them over the hump. He basically got the same contract Manny got 6 years ago. Thing is Tex, is not manny in his prime. This guy is overrated and he won't even sniff Manny's numbers. That said, if they really got him for 20M per, it wasn't a terrible signing. I'm surprised Henry hadn't already made that same offer.
You're absolutely right that Tex is not Manny, but he fills a need for NY much like Manny did in Boston. The salary thing is sort of irrelevant because he's getting paid as much as Manny did due to inflation in the game since 2001. With each offseason, the minimum and average salaries go up...and the top end guys get more than the guys before them (see Johan/Sabathia). So the amount of the money has to be compared relative to the timeframe. And if it took the highest offer to get him, so be it.That said, suggesting he won't sniff Manny's numbers is silly. You were probably fishing, but just in case you weren't...He's one of the premier hitting 1B in the game already. He'll consistently give you 35-115-.290 with an OPS between .950-1.000. He also plays Gold Glove defense. Tex averages over the past 5 seasons:G - 1522B - 39HR - 35RBI - 118BA - .295K/BB - 80/115For comparison's sake, here are Manny's averages in the 5 seasons prior to joining the Sox (he was also 28, like Tex, when they signed him):G - 1432B - 38HR - 37RBI - 126BA - .322K/BB - 84/118And before anyone questions why I included games played, it's not as a point in favor of Teixeira that he was durable or anything. It was a point in favor of Manny that he put up these numbers despite playing less. So I acknowledge that he is Tex's superior. That said, I'm not ready to say it's not close. Look at the numbers. It's very close.Tex was 7-15 in the only postseason appearance of his career last year against Boston. Again, small sample size but if we're going to use it against Sabathia then it should be in favor for Tex. I realize it wasn't the most productive series with just 1 ribbie, but the Angels as a team forgot to show up for much of that series.It's getting old that on this board that whenever the Red Sox do anything people go ape #### because it was just such a brilliant maneuver. And when the Yankees do something as minor as sign a backup catcher, they're a bunch of fools who don't know what they're doing. I've got news for you people...both front offices have been incredibly dumb for many reasons over the last 5-7 years but the Yankees money has saved Theo from making some horrid decisions. Remember, he wanted A-Rod and "settled" for Mueller and Lowell since then. Not too shabby. He wanted Vazquez and settled on Schilling. He wanted Contreras and settled on nobody. They wanted to bring back Damon, but when they couldn't they got to see what they have in Ellsbury. Now they wanted Tex. While I think it's a good move for NY it might be that the Yankees have saved them from another dumb call. Regardless, it's not like Boston's front office is full of geniuses and the Yankees are a bunch of morons. They're ALL morons, and they could learn a thing or five from the ACTUAL geniuses down in Tampa's front office.
I agree with a bunch of this but I wouldn't consider Boston's front office morons. And Tampa has finally cashed in on a decade of high draft picks coupled with hitting the mark on their picks. They made it to a world series and have a bunch of young talent but lets not go overboard here. They've been the grundle of MLB since their inception. The Marlins have been doing it for years...Sox made a blunder with Lugo...bad signing. Drew is still up in the air....not horrible. Manny actually played up to his contract. The Sox didn't get A-Rod because they didn't pay what the Yanks offered. Yanks had Pavano, Brown, Giambi, Clemens, Damon, the list goes on. Tell me about some of the Yankees brilliant signings over the last decade?
 
Why do Yankees fans continually put the Red Sox in the same payroll boat? The Yanks spent 37% more than the Sox last year. In fact the difference in payroll between the Yanks and the Red Sox would cover the payroll of 14 teams last year.

There's really no comparison. The Sox stay competitive. The Yanks try to buy championships and fail. They ruin the market. I'm not worried though. 4 years from now Sabathia will be pushing 400 lbs, Burnett will have not seen the mound in 16 months, and Tex will be tearing the Yanks clubhouse apart.
Is this directed at me? I didn't put them in the same "payroll boat". You mentioned that Tex is essentially getting the same deal Manny got back in 2001 so I responded to it. If this wasn't directed at me, then nevermind.Anyway if Sabathia is pushing 400 pounds, Burnett dies, and Teixeira flies off the handle in a post-roid rage incident then the Yankees will probably sign whatever free agents are available that year too. It's what they do. Obviously as we've seen year after year, the money doesn't buy a championship; what it does is, it buys the flexibility to be wrong a whole lot. That's the key aspect that most people fail to realize and it's far more important than buying titles. If any other team had signed Giambi, they wouldn't have seen the playoffs once during his contract. Instead, the Yanks made it ever year but one. And once you're in the crapshoot postseason, anything can happen.
Wasn't directed at you.
 
I think, in order to improve the competitive balance in MLB, the Yanks should buy the Royals and Pirates of the world. The new Stadium wll fund those teams, anyway.

I like this move (much more than the Burnett signing), but I don't think they are done yet.

 
What is all this hubbub about? The fact is, ANYTHING short of winning a world series is an abject (sp?) failure considering how much the yanks continually spend. IF they win the world series, big deal - they SHOULD. Anything less is pathetic.

They can't win. Well, their bandwagon fans can, but the real yanks fans (and I do know some of them) have zero upside. Its win (and they should) or failure (again, which is probably going to happen anyway).

Unless they get at least 2 of the next 5 series rings, they underpeform.
1st of all, Once the playoff start - talent is pretty equal and anything can happen - A David Ortiz, a Manny Ramiriz, a Johan Santana or a bunch of other players can almost single handedly take over a series - Money doesn't buy you the hot HEALTHY hand at crunch time -Money buys you the consistent OPPORTUNITY to get there and have a shot, that's all - When the Yankees won, a lot of small time players stepped up, a lot of lucky breaks went their way - STUFF happens when you win.. When the Yankees won, they were also remarkebly HEALTHY - No past Yankees team won with the injuries last years team had no matter what they spent and no matter what talent was on the team.BUT, With or without Tex, the Yankee haters had this scenario mapped out for many many years - So, the Real Yankee fans I know would rather see the signings as long as they are smart and as long as they don't hurt the team long term like a Pavano signing - many hated the Giambi signing as well, including me - Many now are mixed on Burnett.

REAL Yankee fans know that to the rivals it's either "Ha the Yankees spend and can't win" or "Ha the Yankees bought a Championship again".. NO matter what the hell they do at this point and I know what real Yankee fans would rather hear.

I understand that scenario and accept it.. Then sit back, analyze the actual talent in the league and on the rival teams, figure out their chances to win and then enjoy the season...

Again, it's entertainment - MLB is screwed up - Salary caps should be in all leagues- Our only choice is to watch it or not - Constantly ##### and whine about it or not.

Hey, after the Mets got Johan last year I was just about willing to bet my house that they would make the playoffs and go far - HOW COULD THEY NOT????? To, me, money or not, they had the best team....

You don't need to have the largest payroll to Underperfrom - Ask Mets fan. No matter what the Yankees do, I think it would be hard to match what the Mets did the past two years in the Underperform rankings regardless of how much higher their payroll was. That's based on Talent more than payroll.. In the end if you have the TALENT is what matters - Underperforming sucks when you have the talent PERIOD... Money or not. At that point, wether they spent 100 million or 300 million doesn't change that ####ty feeling Mets had when the Phillies stole their ice cream. Mets fans on the radio actually cried that if they had Manny they would have taken it - YEP, that's right, they were pissed that they didn't "Buy the division" by Buying Manny..... Any Mets fan who could go back in time Buys Manny and BUYS possibly the WS.

 
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The one thing I'll say is - the Yanks spending this much makes it 100 times more entertaining when they fail to win the world series. The Yankees front office firing back at each other through the media - the speculation of "will the coach be fired"?

It's much better to watch. :rolleyes:

 
Now this is a great signing, much better than the other two...but it still doesn't make them the favorites for the WS, much less the AL East. The OF is nothing but horrible, the DH could be a broken Matsui or Damon, Jeter looks like he's about to be toast soon, Cano was horrible last year, Posada was too, and the bullpen is iffy besides Mo.

They're definitely in the mix but people are overreacting. I'm not convinced that Teix/RF to be named will be more productive than Giambi/Abreu.

One other thing...Teix has never lifted any team to any heights. Texas wasn't a contender, but the Braves and Angels were and they both ended up floundering with him there. So let's not act like he's Bonds here.

 
The one thing I'll say is - the Yanks spending this much makes it 100 times more entertaining when they fail to win the world series. The Yankees front office firing back at each other through the media - the speculation of "will the coach be fired"?It's much better to watch. :jawdrop:
Party ON. :thumbup: You can't lose.None of that EVER happens when they spend less.. Wait, they ARE spending less.
 
The Sox/Yankee rivalry needed something like this...although Manny signing in NY would've provided the same thing. Obviously would've preferred getting Tex here in Boston, but if the pressure on the Yankees to win it all is going to be tremendous next year, and it's going to be really fun to watch if they don't deliver.

If Lowell and Ortiz can get/stay healthy this year, I still feel pretty good about the Sox. Sure, would've been great having Tex in the middle of that lineup, but Youk started showing some real power last year, and Bay/Drew are no slouches either.

I hope the Sox sign someone, even if it's another SP, if for no other reason than it's been a pretty boring off-season dominated by Teixiera rumors.

 
Wait, they ARE spending less.
Please stop saying this. It makes you look like a stupid person.
Settle down Cap. All in fun...The point was, ALL of that stuff always happens in NY another 10 or 100 million dollars isn't going to save a Yankee manager from the backpage firing squad.Heck, it's happening with the Jets for a HC that has won possibly 10 games 2 of 3 years.
 
What is all this hubbub about? The fact is, ANYTHING short of winning a world series is an abject (sp?) failure considering how much the yanks continually spend. IF they win the world series, big deal - they SHOULD. Anything less is pathetic.They can't win. Well, their bandwagon fans can, but the real yanks fans (and I do know some of them) have zero upside. Its win (and they should) or failure (again, which is probably going to happen anyway).Unless they get at least 2 of the next 5 series rings, they underpeform.
I completely disagree with this. REAL Yankee fans (and real baseball fans for that matter) understand that a lot can go wrong during the course of a season. And even more can go wrong during a short playoff series, as we've seen with them quite a bit the last few years. You're just assuming that the Yankees have the best team on paper so even the true fans take it for granted that they'll win.I've got news for you. There were times when the Yankees had Ruth, Gehrig, and Lazzeri in one lineup. They had Gehrig, Lazzeri, DiMaggio, and Dickey. They had DiMag, Yogi, Mantle, and Whitey. They didn't win the WS every year. There were times they didn't make the WS. REAL baseball fans and REAL Yankee fans understand that it's a long, grueling season and the playoffs tend to be a crapshoot based on how good Pitcher A does on a given day.We aren't taking anything for granted. I don't expect a WS win but yes, I want them to win. And I'll root just as hard as I would've if they had signed no one. I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of the "real" fans as much as you think you do. I know you're a Met fan so maybe it's sour grapes, I don't know -- but if you're trying to set it up to suggest that a Yankee fan won't possibly be able to enjoy the 2009 season, let me assure you that nothing could be further from the truth.Sorry if this came across confrontational...I mean nothing against you, just that i've heard this argument time and again since 2001 and I think it's one of the more overblown theories of non-Yankee fans.
Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. I think you are out of touch with "Real" baseball fans. There is a very big difference between Yankee fans (and Red Sox fans to a degree) and a fan of any other team.
 
Wait, they ARE spending less.
Please stop saying this. It makes you look like a stupid person.
Settle down Cap. All in fun...
Yea, sorry you caught the brunt of that. Seen it about 10 times already this morning. Not really a logical stance, that's all. I've grown use to the Yankee spending spree, which is what made the Rays season all the more fun last year. Let's be honest...that happens in the AL Central and it's not nearly as meaningful or remarkable. As a Rays fan, just winning the AL East and beating out the Yanks/Sox over 162 games was almost (almost) as amazing as a WS win.
 
Also, glad he went to the Yanks and not the Sox. Sox would've been clear favorites with him, now they're just on par with Rays/Yanks.

Sox offense looks pretty good, but not amazing without this guy.

 
How does any real Yankee fan root for a team like this? Its just so corporate. So stupid
It's entertainment...I'm a huge proponent for Salary caps in sports.But, MLB is what it is - You decide to watch or not.... No surprises really. Hpw can a real fan NOT root for the team they bleed the colors of?Hey, there's teams with advantages in College sports, there's teams and players with advantages in the Olympics - We all root for U S A for the most part.....1996 was practically a religeous experience for me Being At Game 6 after a long long wait between Championships and being young for the last one...YES... It's less exciting after the 1st few Championships (i'd say that goes for all fans - even Pats) and YES, the Cap takes some of the fun away... But, the whining fans and the fans who create rivalry's by paying so much attention to the Yankees and Hating so much helps keep it interesting...In the end it comes down to Pitcher Vs batter.Yes, I feel bad for most MLB fans like KC who have little shot... I admit it, if I lived in KC I migth not watch MLB - It's tough for me to watch Hockey being an Islander fan - But, i stick it out.Bottom line it's entertainment...And what could be more entertaining that THIS?
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I hear a lot less celebration/glee from Yankee fans than I expected...and a lot less...anything from Sox fans.

Everyone just seems kinda stunned.

Talk about raising expectations this year in New York.
Happy? AbsolutelyBut this guarantees NOTHING
Guarentees competetiveness. Last time the Yankess had a losing records was 1992. Is this because of good scouting, player development, and personnel decisions? Things that other teams must do to be competitive. No. Its because they spent a boatload of money.

 
Did anyone really expect him to land anywhere but with the Yankees? If you did, you are delusional.

Steinbrenner's spawn have more potential for first class trainwreck than George ever did. This should be fun to watch.

 
Did anyone really expect him to land anywhere but with the Yankees? If you did, you are delusional.Steinbrenner's spawn have more potential for first class trainwreck than George ever did. This should be fun to watch.
I expected it...as a Sox fan I know no different...Mussina, Bernie Williams, Giambi, Contreras, A-Rod, etc...Whenever the Sox covet a high priced talent, the Yankees stay silent, wait for the Sox offer, then swoop in. And the Yanks have nothing to show for it. I'll start ot worry about them when they get a good scoutng team. I feared Scott Brosius, Williams, Luis Sojo, Paul O'Neill and Tino Martinez...clutch players who never gave a damn about their individual stats to compliment their stars. Of course, it's all gonna come down to pitching and as of right now, I still like the Sox rotation better.Gonna be an interesting race for the East among the 3 teams, including the Rays.
 
Whenever the Sox covet a high priced talent, the Yankees stay silent, wait for the Sox offer, then swoop in.
Oh please, Sox have had plenty of success signing big free agents.Theo just got :goodposting: on this one.
Not as much as you think...The only "win" I can think of where the Yanks really wanted a guy was Dice-K. All other big singings were either Option B's or upper middle range guys. And don't get me wrong, I'm not crying about payrolls either, with the Sox #2 on the list. I just think the Yankees focus way too much on the Sox versus what's best for their own team. I think they have lost sight of what made them so great in years past. The Sox team of the past few years is exactly what the Yankees were the first 5 years of Jeter's career. A bunch of home-grown star players, some utility guys, and a couple of high-priced stars.
 
Bought a #25 Giambi jersey last year.

Hopefully Tex keeps that number to save me some cash. GB no names on Yanks jerseys!

 
What is all this hubbub about? The fact is, ANYTHING short of winning a world series is an abject (sp?) failure considering how much the yanks continually spend. IF they win the world series, big deal - they SHOULD. Anything less is pathetic.They can't win. Well, their bandwagon fans can, but the real yanks fans (and I do know some of them) have zero upside. Its win (and they should) or failure (again, which is probably going to happen anyway).Unless they get at least 2 of the next 5 series rings, they underpeform.
I completely disagree with this. REAL Yankee fans (and real baseball fans for that matter) understand that a lot can go wrong during the course of a season. And even more can go wrong during a short playoff series, as we've seen with them quite a bit the last few years. You're just assuming that the Yankees have the best team on paper so even the true fans take it for granted that they'll win.I've got news for you. There were times when the Yankees had Ruth, Gehrig, and Lazzeri in one lineup. They had Gehrig, Lazzeri, DiMaggio, and Dickey. They had DiMag, Yogi, Mantle, and Whitey. They didn't win the WS every year. There were times they didn't make the WS. REAL baseball fans and REAL Yankee fans understand that it's a long, grueling season and the playoffs tend to be a crapshoot based on how good Pitcher A does on a given day.We aren't taking anything for granted. I don't expect a WS win but yes, I want them to win. And I'll root just as hard as I would've if they had signed no one. I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of the "real" fans as much as you think you do. I know you're a Met fan so maybe it's sour grapes, I don't know -- but if you're trying to set it up to suggest that a Yankee fan won't possibly be able to enjoy the 2009 season, let me assure you that nothing could be further from the truth.Sorry if this came across confrontational...I mean nothing against you, just that i've heard this argument time and again since 2001 and I think it's one of the more overblown theories of non-Yankee fans.
Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. I think you are out of touch with "Real" baseball fans. There is a very big difference between Yankee fans (and Red Sox fans to a degree) and a fan of any other team.
Hey, you can't expect a Yanks fan NOT to be defensive. As noted, there is ZERO upside unless the yanks win AT LEAST 2 rings over the next five years. Anything short is failure, and one ring would be pretty much average.So, they can spew long posts as much as they wish, but the reality is the same... win it and you have merely done what you should do, even in baseball where nothing can be taken for granted. Anything short and the Yanks look like fools for once again outspending everyone by a long, long ways and once again coming up short. :bag:
 
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Yanks finally sign a young player whos good on offense and defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should be a fun season. For all the people #####ing about the system I try to stay out of those arguments. The fact is the Yanks did not have a playoff team coming into this offseason and they made the moves necessary to make the playoffs. I dont know how people can hate on that. I still say the Burnett signing was bad but since they got Tex anyway I guess it doesnt matter. Id say the Yanks leaped ahead of the Sox and are right there with TB now.

 
So who plays CF now? Damon or Swisher? Thats a brutally bad OF defensively. Im assuming Nady in RF. I wish we can trade Matsui and move Damon to DH and one of Gardner or Cabrera to CF.

 
Tex is going to get killed in NY. Look at his month by month splits. He is perhaps the most inconsistent player to play on the level that he does. When he chokes for 4 out of 9 months throughout the year Yankees fans and media are going to slaughter the guy.

 
Tex is going to get killed in NY. Look at his month by month splits. He is perhaps the most inconsistent player to play on the level that he does. When he chokes for 4 out of 9 months throughout the year Yankees fans and media are going to slaughter the guy.
One thing that is good about him though is he fields his position better than probably anyone else in baseball. Yankee fans are pretty baseball smart and I think they will tolerate him being streaky...unless streaky equals 1-16 in the first round of the playoffs.
 
Tex is going to get killed in NY. Look at his month by month splits. He is perhaps the most inconsistent player to play on the level that he does. When he chokes for 4 out of 9 months throughout the year Yankees fans and media are going to slaughter the guy.
I think alot of Yankee fans have learned from the ARod debacle. Fans will be patient with Tex IMO.
 
There were many reasons for the Yankees to spend $180 million on first baseman Mark Teixeira on Tuesday.1. In my column in today's Post, I wrote about how similar this offseason was for the Yanks compared to the 2004-05 offseason. That year they decided not to sign Carlos Beltran, a switch-hitter and top defender repped by Scott Boras. This time they decided to spend the dough on Teixeira, a switch-hitter and top defender repped by Boras. Just check out the upcoming free-agent markets. They were not going to be deep in prime-aged positional standouts. So if the Yanks did not act on Teixeira now they were going to regret it in the near future.2. Don't ignore age as a factor in this. Teixeira turns 29 in April. Last year, the Yanks spent too much of the season depending on the too inexperienced and the too old. But since the start of last year, they have added Xavier Nady, who will play next season at 30; Nick Swisher, who will play next season at 28; CC Sabathia, who turns 28 in July; and A.J. Burnett, who turns 32 in two weeks.This gives them significantly more players in their prime, and should be of great benefit if Robinson Cano , 26, bounces back from a poor season; Chien-Ming Wang , 29 in March, returns to 19-win health; and Joba Chamberlain , 23, can avoid the disabled list.The Yanks suddenly have a lot more players who could be considered near or in their prime.3. Don't ignore the defense. Teixeira is probably the second best offensive first baseman in the majors after Albert Pujols. But he probably has no rival defensively. The Yanks have been abysmal in recent years in the field, particularly at first base. Now with Teixeira at first, either Nady or Swisher in right rather than Bobby Abreu and perhaps Brett Gardner in center, their range should improve markedly.4. It can't be ignored that the Yanks kept Teixeira away from the Red Sox. He helps the Yanks, no doubt, but this also hurts Boston.5. I fully suspect that the Yanks are going to make a trade or two now. Teixeira's presence allows them to make the best deal available for at least one player from the group of Johnny Damon , Hideki Matsui , Nady and Swisher.Damon, Matsui and Nady are all free agents after the season, and all but Nady have no-trade protection. My suspicion is that the Yanks would want to retain Damon the most for 2009 because of his leadoff skills. All things being equal they would move Matsui since they are trying to improve on defense, and he provides the worst fielding option of this quartet.The Angels (who failed to sign Teixeira), Rangers , A's and Rays are all in the market for more hitting. The problem for the Yanks is that the free-agent market has a glut of hitters such as Milton Bradley, Jason Giambi , Pat Burrell and Ken Griffey available. So making a trade will not be easy.The Yanks have some surplus set-up relief to spice up a trade and I do not think it is inconceivable that they could try to do a huge trade that would include Wang, who is two years from free agency. The Yanks would have to know for sure that Andy Pettitte is returning plus, possibly, know that they could get another starter they like.If they are able to find trades, I think they should concentrate on trying to add two elements: 1) Multi-dimensional players. The Yanks have a wonderful looking starting lineup, but their depth is still hardly inspiring. So they can use a few do-everything kind of guys such as the Angels' Chone Figgins or the Braves' Martin Prado to rest regulars and provide insurance against injuries. 2) The Yanks should emphasize positional prospects. They are really lacking in that area in the upper reaches of their system. For example, the Braves have had a tough time completing deals this winter. They have liked both Nady and Swisher in the past; in fact they tried to obtain Swisher this winter before the Yanks did. Atlanta has three well-regarded minor league center fielders in Jason Heyward, Jordan Schafer and Gorkys Hernandez. Could the Yanks turn a regular outfielder into one of those prospects?6. Don't ignore that Teixeira is a switch-hitter, who brings power and patience to both sides. The Yanks also added another switch-hitter, Swisher, this offseason to join Jorge Posada. During the recent dynasty, the Yanks enjoyed the strategy-destroying element of having elite switch-hitters such as Posada, Bernie Williams, Tim Raines and Chili Davis.7. Don't ignore that Teixeira is a legit No. 3 hitter. Who was going to hit there for the Yanks without him? Matsui? Cano? Jeter dropping down from the No. 2 hole? A-Rod moving up from cleanup?8. Hey, it is tough to be the Mets right now. Sure, they solidified their end of game relief with Francisco Rodriguez and J.J. Putz. But these electric additions by the Yanks have clearly kept the Mets as the second team in town in an even stronger way, at a time when they are opening a new stadium, too, and also have their own TV network.And it is hard to ignore that Met owner Fred Wilpon lost an exorbitant amount in Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme and the Mets' new stadium is named after a financially troubled bank. The Mets might not have the dough necessary to fire back and create a greater excitement around the team.9. Without Teixeira, the Yankee lineup might have been good enough, especially if Jorge Posada and Hideki Matsui bounced back from injury, and Robinson Cano honored his skills fully. But if that didn't happen and/or there were injuries again, the Yanks were once more going to take a significant nosedive in offensive talent. Teixeira makes them more bulletproof to an offensive snooze.He also should make it easier - if the Yanks decide to go this way - to emphasize defense in center with either Melky Cabrera or Brett Gardner.10. Manny Ramirez never made sense for the Yankees. He is one of the great hitters ever. But he was another guy who was going to hurt their defense. He was going to be another guy well beyond prime age. He was going to be someone who would challenge authority at a time when manager Joe Girardi does not have a firm hold on the clubhouse. Teixeira conversely is a disciplined kid from a military family who will not have trouble with Girardi's no sweets in the clubhouse edicts.
 
Yankee fans more in the know.....aside from the idea of moving The Captain and that he might not be willing to do it.....could Jeter be an effective 2B. defensively.... at least more than he is at SS?

 
Capella said:
Also, glad he went to the Yanks and not the Sox. Sox would've been clear favorites with him, now they're just on par with Rays/Yanks. Sox offense looks pretty good, but not amazing without this guy.
Teixeira is a luxury to the Yankees. He would have been a luxury to Boston as well. The tiresome thing about MLB is that a Baltimore or Washington landing spot would have been better for the competitive balance and the fan bases of those teams.But greed will prevail. The Yankees need to have a marquee player at every position and the players themselves need to squeeze every last nickle out of a deal. Pretty disgusting when player salaries are far beyond what anyone would ever need and the common fan struggles to get by.
 
blackjack23 said:
:popcorn:Yanks finally sign a young player whos good on offense and defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should be a fun season. For all the people #####ing about the system I try to stay out of those arguments. The fact is the Yanks did not have a playoff team coming into this offseason and they made the moves necessary to make the playoffs. I dont know how people can hate on that. I still say the Burnett signing was bad but since they got Tex anyway I guess it doesnt matter. Id say the Yanks leaped ahead of the Sox and are right there with TB now.
See it only takes a $200+ million payroll to compete with the ~$45 million Rays.Not sure what you're missing about the have's and have-not's in Baseball, but when you can throw $ around without constraint like no other team in the league... there is a problem with the system.Wow, the Yankees missed the play-offs one year. Try rooting for a small market team that won't sniff the play-offs in this decade.
 
God bless the Yankees. It is their money and they should spend it however they see fit. Do they have a market advantage? Yes. So what. Other teams need to deal with it and build their marketability up to where they can compete.

The drawback I see is that with less disposable income, less fans will want to pay the ticket price and less advertisers are going to want to pay the advertising rate. So in the long run these huge salaries could be very detrimental in this economy...but every other market will face the same pinch. Good on the Yanks.

Hopefully my Cards can find a way past the evil Cubs empire to get a shot at the boys in pinstripes.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
FFMaster said:
Pretty amazing that either NY, Boston or Tampa isn't going to be in the postseason next year. Not to mention Toronto, who were half-decent last year in a brutal division.
Actually given how tough that division is, two of them could be left out.
Good Point. All it will take is some consistency from the central.
 

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