Teixeira To Yanks (1 Viewer)

[DropKick]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The Yankees may not win the WS because of the 3 round play-off structure and the dynamics of baseball. With 8 teams in the play-offs, you're bound to see some variation. However, the Yankees are a virtual lock to make the post season. Not true of any other team due to the huge financial/competitive advantage. I wouldn't be surprised to see them add Manny Ramirez and then another star at the trade deadline to "get them over the hump". Again, this is something few teams can do and no one can do it at the Yankee's level.There is more to parity than the fact that NY does not win the WS annually. The game is dominated by big markets. In the past 10 years, only 4 AL teams have won championships; NY (2), Boston (2), Chicago and L.A. - all big markets. Of the 4 NL teams, both Arizona and Florida soon gave up their top pitchers to NY and Boston.I'm not sure what you don't get. Obviously, you like having a team that can have an all-star at every position. Is this "good" competition to you? Is this an ideal way for MLB to operate? Hey, maybe you put great stock into the Globetrotter's winning streak over the Washington Generals.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The Yankees may not win the WS because of the 3 round play-off structure and the dynamics of baseball. With 8 teams in the play-offs, you're bound to see some variation. However, the Yankees are a virtual lock to make the post season. Not true of any other team due to the huge financial/competitive advantage. I wouldn't be surprised to see them add Manny Ramirez and then another star at the trade deadline to "get them over the hump". Again, this is something few teams can do and no one can do it at the Yankee's level.There is more to parity than the fact that NY does not win the WS annually. The game is dominated by big markets. In the past 10 years, only 4 AL teams have won championships; NY (2), Boston (2), Chicago and L.A. - all big markets. Of the 4 NL teams, both Arizona and Florida soon gave up their top pitchers to NY and Boston.

I'm not sure what you don't get. Obviously, you like having a team that can have an all-star at every position. Is this "good" competition to you? Is this an ideal way for MLB to operate? Hey, maybe you put great stock into the Globetrotter's winning streak over the Washington Generals.

It is if you're a Yankee fan, if you aren't - it's not.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The sport has parity. But the issue is that NO team should be in a position to simply reload every year while a majority of the teams have to rebuild from time to time. Pointing to other teams that make 1 to 3 year runs and claiming that the system is OK because the Yankees ACTUALLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS once doesn't support any notion that the system is OK. If anything, it points out the flaw.The Yankees SHOULDN'T be in a position where not making the playoffs is such a huge disappointment. Every team should have the same crack at the playoffs and the Wold Series.

The parity is with the small market teams competing every year to take a crack at the big market teams. When the Mets, Angels, or Dodgers struggle, it's because they made huge mistakes in the front office, but the system is set up for them to compete and/or win every single year.

The teams with the advantages financially SHOULD make the playoffs every year, and they would if they could take advantage of a system heavily weighted in their favor. The Yankees have been one of the worst run organizations in all of sports since they haven't won the world series despite having such a huge competitive advantage.

That's not ignorance. And it's not perception. Those are facts.

You were making a flawless post until the bolded part. Again, baseball is not like the other sports. If the Yankees had built their team perfectly and went out and obtained Josh Beckett, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, and the ghost of Christy Matthewson, they still would lose a best of 5 series if two of those guys are a bit off on any given day. Or if they ran into the unhittable postseason versions Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan. It happens. The argument that should be made is that there is no excuse to finish in 3rd with a $200 million payroll. But there are plenty of excuses/reasons for not winning the WS once you're there. The payroll gets you in, but baseball is so reliant on luck and outliers in the postseason that it's hardly a good argument to suggest a team is poorly run simply because they win 98 regular season games but then lose 3 games in a 5-game stretch.Long story short, the 2001-2007 Yankees didn't miss winning the WS because they were poorly run. They missed the WS because they lost in the playoffs. In 2008, they were poorly run because they had a giant advantage to get IN the playoffs and still ended up blowing it.

The bolded part is 100% legit. Some more denial here as I see it if you don't see the failures of this orgnaization. Are they the WORST run franchise? I wouldnt say that - and outside of their baseball decisions, they are very, very, very well run - perhaps the best run organization in sports or close to it.But in terms of team management, you are talking Giambi. Pavano. Hundreds of millions wasted on terrible options - but the resources to hide those abject, utter, pathetic failures. Don't let the "we can just get another 50 million dollar - ot 160 million dollar - pitcher" mentality fool you. That doesnt make them good. It makes them very bad - just very, very fortunate.

And I should add, their non-baseball related success has enabled the embarassment of underperforming soiled riches, so its an intersting case study in great management and awful management ... all under one roof.

I mean, how did they handle the Torre situation and where did that get them? They finally found one situation they couldnt buy themselves out of.

Oh, until now since they have the four biggest contracts in the sport. Real genius, there.

Pavano and Giambi were two of the hottest FA's on the market at that time. It's not like they overpaid to get them. They (along with the rest of MLB ) didn't know that Giambi was on the juice. As far as Pavano goes, it wasn't like they were the only bidder there either. That's not to say they haven't made some bad moves.....but these two were moves that any MLB team would have made at the time.

not many teams can sign the 2 highest priced free agents every year.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The sport has parity. But the issue is that NO team should be in a position to simply reload every year while a majority of the teams have to rebuild from time to time. Pointing to other teams that make 1 to 3 year runs and claiming that the system is OK because the Yankees ACTUALLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS once doesn't support any notion that the system is OK. If anything, it points out the flaw.The Yankees SHOULDN'T be in a position where not making the playoffs is such a huge disappointment. Every team should have the same crack at the playoffs and the Wold Series.

The parity is with the small market teams competing every year to take a crack at the big market teams. When the Mets, Angels, or Dodgers struggle, it's because they made huge mistakes in the front office, but the system is set up for them to compete and/or win every single year.

The teams with the advantages financially SHOULD make the playoffs every year, and they would if they could take advantage of a system heavily weighted in their favor. The Yankees have been one of the worst run organizations in all of sports since they haven't won the world series despite having such a huge competitive advantage.

That's not ignorance. And it's not perception. Those are facts.

You were making a flawless post until the bolded part. Again, baseball is not like the other sports. If the Yankees had built their team perfectly and went out and obtained Josh Beckett, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, and the ghost of Christy Matthewson, they still would lose a best of 5 series if two of those guys are a bit off on any given day. Or if they ran into the unhittable postseason versions Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan. It happens. The argument that should be made is that there is no excuse to finish in 3rd with a $200 million payroll. But there are plenty of excuses/reasons for not winning the WS once you're there. The payroll gets you in, but baseball is so reliant on luck and outliers in the postseason that it's hardly a good argument to suggest a team is poorly run simply because they win 98 regular season games but then lose 3 games in a 5-game stretch.Long story short, the 2001-2007 Yankees didn't miss winning the WS because they were poorly run. They missed the WS because they lost in the playoffs. In 2008, they were poorly run because they had a giant advantage to get IN the playoffs and still ended up blowing it.

The bolded part is 100% legit. Some more denial here as I see it if you don't see the failures of this orgnaization. Are they the WORST run franchise? I wouldnt say that - and outside of their baseball decisions, they are very, very, very well run - perhaps the best run organization in sports or close to it.But in terms of team management, you are talking Giambi. Pavano. Hundreds of millions wasted on terrible options - but the resources to hide those abject, utter, pathetic failures. Don't let the "we can just get another 50 million dollar - ot 160 million dollar - pitcher" mentality fool you. That doesnt make them good. It makes them very bad - just very, very fortunate.

And I should add, their non-baseball related success has enabled the embarassment of underperforming soiled riches, so its an intersting case study in great management and awful management ... all under one roof.

I mean, how did they handle the Torre situation and where did that get them? They finally found one situation they couldnt buy themselves out of.

Oh, until now since they have the four biggest contracts in the sport. Real genius, there.

Pavano and Giambi were two of the hottest FA's on the market at that time. It's not like they overpaid to get them. They (along with the rest of MLB ) didn't know that Giambi was on the juice. As far as Pavano goes, it wasn't like they were the only bidder there either. That's not to say they haven't made some bad moves.....but these two were moves that any MLB team would have made at the time.

not many teams can sign the 2 highest priced free agents every year.

And if they did and it didn't work out (like Giambi and Pavano), it would cripple the organization for some time. In Baltimore, we're still trying to rebuild after the Albert Belle contract. Not the Yankees though. They just reload, reload, reload. And if 2 out 5 FA's work out, Yankee fans think they're doing a great job.It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

 

[Thunderlips]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The sport has parity. But the issue is that NO team should be in a position to simply reload every year while a majority of the teams have to rebuild from time to time. Pointing to other teams that make 1 to 3 year runs and claiming that the system is OK because the Yankees ACTUALLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS once doesn't support any notion that the system is OK. If anything, it points out the flaw.The Yankees SHOULDN'T be in a position where not making the playoffs is such a huge disappointment. Every team should have the same crack at the playoffs and the Wold Series.

The parity is with the small market teams competing every year to take a crack at the big market teams. When the Mets, Angels, or Dodgers struggle, it's because they made huge mistakes in the front office, but the system is set up for them to compete and/or win every single year.

The teams with the advantages financially SHOULD make the playoffs every year, and they would if they could take advantage of a system heavily weighted in their favor. The Yankees have been one of the worst run organizations in all of sports since they haven't won the world series despite having such a huge competitive advantage.

That's not ignorance. And it's not perception. Those are facts.

You were making a flawless post until the bolded part. Again, baseball is not like the other sports. If the Yankees had built their team perfectly and went out and obtained Josh Beckett, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, and the ghost of Christy Matthewson, they still would lose a best of 5 series if two of those guys are a bit off on any given day. Or if they ran into the unhittable postseason versions Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan. It happens. The argument that should be made is that there is no excuse to finish in 3rd with a $200 million payroll. But there are plenty of excuses/reasons for not winning the WS once you're there. The payroll gets you in, but baseball is so reliant on luck and outliers in the postseason that it's hardly a good argument to suggest a team is poorly run simply because they win 98 regular season games but then lose 3 games in a 5-game stretch.Long story short, the 2001-2007 Yankees didn't miss winning the WS because they were poorly run. They missed the WS because they lost in the playoffs. In 2008, they were poorly run because they had a giant advantage to get IN the playoffs and still ended up blowing it.

The bolded part is 100% legit. Some more denial here as I see it if you don't see the failures of this orgnaization. Are they the WORST run franchise? I wouldnt say that - and outside of their baseball decisions, they are very, very, very well run - perhaps the best run organization in sports or close to it.But in terms of team management, you are talking Giambi. Pavano. Hundreds of millions wasted on terrible options - but the resources to hide those abject, utter, pathetic failures. Don't let the "we can just get another 50 million dollar - ot 160 million dollar - pitcher" mentality fool you. That doesnt make them good. It makes them very bad - just very, very fortunate.

And I should add, their non-baseball related success has enabled the embarassment of underperforming soiled riches, so its an intersting case study in great management and awful management ... all under one roof.

I mean, how did they handle the Torre situation and where did that get them? They finally found one situation they couldnt buy themselves out of.

Oh, until now since they have the four biggest contracts in the sport. Real genius, there.

Pavano and Giambi were two of the hottest FA's on the market at that time. It's not like they overpaid to get them. They (along with the rest of MLB ) didn't know that Giambi was on the juice. As far as Pavano goes, it wasn't like they were the only bidder there either. That's not to say they haven't made some bad moves.....but these two were moves that any MLB team would have made at the time.

not many teams can sign the 2 highest priced free agents every year.

And if they did and it didn't work out (like Giambi and Pavano), it would cripple the organization for some time. In Baltimore, we're still trying to rebuild after the Albert Belle contract. Not the Yankees though. They just reload, reload, reload. And if 2 out 5 FA's work out, Yankee fans think they're doing a great job.It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

The Yanks had so much money coming off the books this year....what were they to do? They bit the bullet on alot of contracts over the past couple of years and are now reaping the benefit of A) the money coming off the books and B) there being actual, legitimate young players to give large contracts to. Isn't their payroll still lower this year than last? Believe me, I understand what people are getting at. But, in alot of baseball circles (particularly here) all of the baseball scholars have laughed at the Yankee postseason chances since 2004 as those teams of the past 4 years were older, bloated and tired.

 

[dparker713]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The sport has parity. But the issue is that NO team should be in a position to simply reload every year while a majority of the teams have to rebuild from time to time. Pointing to other teams that make 1 to 3 year runs and claiming that the system is OK because the Yankees ACTUALLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS once doesn't support any notion that the system is OK. If anything, it points out the flaw.The Yankees SHOULDN'T be in a position where not making the playoffs is such a huge disappointment. Every team should have the same crack at the playoffs and the Wold Series.

The parity is with the small market teams competing every year to take a crack at the big market teams. When the Mets, Angels, or Dodgers struggle, it's because they made huge mistakes in the front office, but the system is set up for them to compete and/or win every single year.

The teams with the advantages financially SHOULD make the playoffs every year, and they would if they could take advantage of a system heavily weighted in their favor. The Yankees have been one of the worst run organizations in all of sports since they haven't won the world series despite having such a huge competitive advantage.

That's not ignorance. And it's not perception. Those are facts.

You were making a flawless post until the bolded part. Again, baseball is not like the other sports. If the Yankees had built their team perfectly and went out and obtained Josh Beckett, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, and the ghost of Christy Matthewson, they still would lose a best of 5 series if two of those guys are a bit off on any given day. Or if they ran into the unhittable postseason versions Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan. It happens. The argument that should be made is that there is no excuse to finish in 3rd with a $200 million payroll. But there are plenty of excuses/reasons for not winning the WS once you're there. The payroll gets you in, but baseball is so reliant on luck and outliers in the postseason that it's hardly a good argument to suggest a team is poorly run simply because they win 98 regular season games but then lose 3 games in a 5-game stretch.Long story short, the 2001-2007 Yankees didn't miss winning the WS because they were poorly run. They missed the WS because they lost in the playoffs. In 2008, they were poorly run because they had a giant advantage to get IN the playoffs and still ended up blowing it.

The bolded part is 100% legit. Some more denial here as I see it if you don't see the failures of this orgnaization. Are they the WORST run franchise? I wouldnt say that - and outside of their baseball decisions, they are very, very, very well run - perhaps the best run organization in sports or close to it.But in terms of team management, you are talking Giambi. Pavano. Hundreds of millions wasted on terrible options - but the resources to hide those abject, utter, pathetic failures. Don't let the "we can just get another 50 million dollar - ot 160 million dollar - pitcher" mentality fool you. That doesnt make them good. It makes them very bad - just very, very fortunate.

And I should add, their non-baseball related success has enabled the embarassment of underperforming soiled riches, so its an intersting case study in great management and awful management ... all under one roof.

I mean, how did they handle the Torre situation and where did that get them? They finally found one situation they couldnt buy themselves out of.

Oh, until now since they have the four biggest contracts in the sport. Real genius, there.

Pavano and Giambi were two of the hottest FA's on the market at that time. It's not like they overpaid to get them. They (along with the rest of MLB ) didn't know that Giambi was on the juice. As far as Pavano goes, it wasn't like they were the only bidder there either. That's not to say they haven't made some bad moves.....but these two were moves that any MLB team would have made at the time.

not many teams can sign the 2 highest priced free agents every year.

And if they did and it didn't work out (like Giambi and Pavano), it would cripple the organization for some time. In Baltimore, we're still trying to rebuild after the Albert Belle contract. Not the Yankees though. They just reload, reload, reload. And if 2 out 5 FA's work out, Yankee fans think they're doing a great job.It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

The Yanks had so much money coming off the books this year....what were they to do? They bit the bullet on alot of contracts over the past couple of years and are now reaping the benefit of A) the money coming off the books and B) there being actual, legitimate young players to give large contracts to. Isn't their payroll still lower this year than last? Believe me, I understand what people are getting at. But, in alot of baseball circles (particularly here) all of the baseball scholars have laughed at the Yankee postseason chances since 2004 as those teams of the past 4 years were older, bloated and tired.

They're under last year's payroll right now, but they've only got about 15 players under contract. Their full roster is certain to have a higher payroll than last season. And Im sorry, but Baltimore is not still trying to recover from Albert Belle, they're trying to recover from a meddling owner and crappy scouting/drafting while playing in the hardest division in baseball. And one other thing, the Yankees management isnt horrible. They've got plenty of misses, but they've also been able to consisently restock their farm system with highly regarded farm hands despite often losing draft picks due to signing FAs. Wish the Mets were as good at that aspect of the game.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Y23... you are a smart guy who puts out an arguement quite well - but you can't win this one. You want a medal because the Yanks are so inept that even with a HUGE HUGE advantage they havent won since the turn of the millenium? Come on, don't let the meathead nation blind your rationale. It's an awful system that hurts the game. Is the game doing well? Sure. Would it do better if say, the Oriole s fan felt they had a chance in hell to compete over the long haul? Damn straight. To say otherwise is rather meatheaded... then again, you are a Yanks fan.

I don't want a medal, and you are wrong. I have won this one. The facts don't back up the woe is me the Yankees spend too much and the sport has no parity arguement at all. I agree I can't change perception based on ignorance.

The sport has parity. But the issue is that NO team should be in a position to simply reload every year while a majority of the teams have to rebuild from time to time. Pointing to other teams that make 1 to 3 year runs and claiming that the system is OK because the Yankees ACTUALLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS once doesn't support any notion that the system is OK. If anything, it points out the flaw.The Yankees SHOULDN'T be in a position where not making the playoffs is such a huge disappointment. Every team should have the same crack at the playoffs and the Wold Series.

The parity is with the small market teams competing every year to take a crack at the big market teams. When the Mets, Angels, or Dodgers struggle, it's because they made huge mistakes in the front office, but the system is set up for them to compete and/or win every single year.

The teams with the advantages financially SHOULD make the playoffs every year, and they would if they could take advantage of a system heavily weighted in their favor. The Yankees have been one of the worst run organizations in all of sports since they haven't won the world series despite having such a huge competitive advantage.

That's not ignorance. And it's not perception. Those are facts.

You were making a flawless post until the bolded part. Again, baseball is not like the other sports. If the Yankees had built their team perfectly and went out and obtained Josh Beckett, Johan Santana, Jake Peavy, and the ghost of Christy Matthewson, they still would lose a best of 5 series if two of those guys are a bit off on any given day. Or if they ran into the unhittable postseason versions Kenny Rogers or Jeff Suppan. It happens. The argument that should be made is that there is no excuse to finish in 3rd with a $200 million payroll. But there are plenty of excuses/reasons for not winning the WS once you're there. The payroll gets you in, but baseball is so reliant on luck and outliers in the postseason that it's hardly a good argument to suggest a team is poorly run simply because they win 98 regular season games but then lose 3 games in a 5-game stretch.Long story short, the 2001-2007 Yankees didn't miss winning the WS because they were poorly run. They missed the WS because they lost in the playoffs. In 2008, they were poorly run because they had a giant advantage to get IN the playoffs and still ended up blowing it.

The bolded part is 100% legit. Some more denial here as I see it if you don't see the failures of this orgnaization. Are they the WORST run franchise? I wouldnt say that - and outside of their baseball decisions, they are very, very, very well run - perhaps the best run organization in sports or close to it.But in terms of team management, you are talking Giambi. Pavano. Hundreds of millions wasted on terrible options - but the resources to hide those abject, utter, pathetic failures. Don't let the "we can just get another 50 million dollar - ot 160 million dollar - pitcher" mentality fool you. That doesnt make them good. It makes them very bad - just very, very fortunate.

And I should add, their non-baseball related success has enabled the embarassment of underperforming soiled riches, so its an intersting case study in great management and awful management ... all under one roof.

I mean, how did they handle the Torre situation and where did that get them? They finally found one situation they couldnt buy themselves out of.

Oh, until now since they have the four biggest contracts in the sport. Real genius, there.

Pavano and Giambi were two of the hottest FA's on the market at that time. It's not like they overpaid to get them. They (along with the rest of MLB ) didn't know that Giambi was on the juice. As far as Pavano goes, it wasn't like they were the only bidder there either. That's not to say they haven't made some bad moves.....but these two were moves that any MLB team would have made at the time.

not many teams can sign the 2 highest priced free agents every year.

And if they did and it didn't work out (like Giambi and Pavano), it would cripple the organization for some time. In Baltimore, we're still trying to rebuild after the Albert Belle contract. Not the Yankees though. They just reload, reload, reload. And if 2 out 5 FA's work out, Yankee fans think they're doing a great job.It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

The Yanks had so much money coming off the books this year....what were they to do? They bit the bullet on alot of contracts over the past couple of years and are now reaping the benefit of A) the money coming off the books and B) there being actual, legitimate young players to give large contracts to. Isn't their payroll still lower this year than last? Believe me, I understand what people are getting at. But, in alot of baseball circles (particularly here) all of the baseball scholars have laughed at the Yankee postseason chances since 2004 as those teams of the past 4 years were older, bloated and tired.

They're under last year's payroll right now, but they've only got about 15 players under contract. Their full roster is certain to have a higher payroll than last season. And Im sorry, but Baltimore is not still trying to recover from Albert Belle, they're trying to recover from a meddling owner and crappy scouting/drafting while playing in the hardest division in baseball. And one other thing, the Yankees management isnt horrible. They've got plenty of misses, but they've also been able to consisently restock their farm system with highly regarded farm hands despite often losing draft picks due to signing FAs. Wish the Mets were as good at that aspect of the game.

You misinterpreted my statement to mean Belle was the only reason for the Orioles recent troubles. After the signing of Albert Belle and his injury, Baltimore took a turn for the worse and are still trying to right the ship. Obviously there have been other issues over the past decade. It's a rebuilding process (and a mighty long one for the Orioles) that began after Albert Belle. The first couple of years of this rebuilding was definitely slowed by his rediculous contract.

 

[Wrigley]

It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

I equate it to a fantasy football auction.You have $100 to spend, while the Yankee's have $250.Which team do you think has a better chance of making the playoffs?

 

[avoiding injuries]

It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

I equate it to a fantasy football auction.You have $100 to spend, while the Yankee's have $250.Which team do you think has a better chance of making the playoffs?

Your analogy is spot on.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

 

[Bogart]

This thread gets the award for most words per post. You guys are writing books worth of opinions here.

/sweetgreggo Good times. Baseball is a talkin' sport /sweetgreggo

 

[Koya]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

You REALLY think there is the same level of joy when you do what you are supposed to do, when anything else is failure, as opposed to the wonderful surprise when a team plays above its head and finds a way to win against all odds? Here, you win with all the odds strongly in your favor, or you fail.Now, perhaps you and some other yanks fans truly do feel JUST as good winning with a huge, huge advantage as you would with a level playing field. I would suggest that is part of the problem, especially with many yanks fans (although I wouldnt have had you lumped in with them until this came up). But lets just say that you actually do feel the joy... what about being a WS runner up? For most teams, while there is some sadness at not winning, there is joy of a successful season. With an advantage like the yanks, thats a lost season, no question.But you are correct - I should not tell you nor anyone how to feel when you win a championship. But I can make a judgement when someone gains as much joy from winning with all the odds in their favor as opposed to earning it through a fair playing field.

 

[Reaper]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

You REALLY think there is the same level of joy when you do what you are supposed to do, when anything else is failure, as opposed to the wonderful surprise when a team plays above its head and finds a way to win against all odds? Here, you win with all the odds strongly in your favor, or you fail.Now, perhaps you and some other yanks fans truly do feel JUST as good winning with a huge, huge advantage as you would with a level playing field. I would suggest that is part of the problem, especially with many yanks fans (although I wouldnt have had you lumped in with them until this came up). But lets just say that you actually do feel the joy... what about being a WS runner up? For most teams, while there is some sadness at not winning, there is joy of a successful season. With an advantage like the yanks, thats a lost season, no question.

But you are correct - I should not tell you nor anyone how to feel when you win a championship. But I can make a judgement when someone gains as much joy from winning with all the odds in their favor as opposed to earning it through a fair playing field.

I think a lot of times it depends more on the circumstances of the season - I think in 1998 with 114 regular season wins, while the Yankees rolled along, it became almost a relief to win it... Kinda like Pats fans last year going undefeated for the regular season, you paint yourself into a corner of win or disaster.... in 2000 Vs the Mets, again, I felt relief - Losing AND losing to the Mets in the process would have Blown. The Pain Risk was much higher than the Joy index.Then on the other side, in 2007, the Yankees stunk it up the 1st half, had a ton of problems, Cappy starts his 100 Loss thread but, they got on track and played GREAT baseball... And as a fan watching Great baseball is what it's all about... And then, things looking good until these freaking Midges, that I never heard of before, swarmed Joba, made it all more painful... Money really played no part in my "Joy Rating" compared to the midges.

Overall.... If we're really going to "Measure Joy" - I can say that a Jets Super Bowl would trump anything the Yankees could possibly do right now... But, again, that comes more from me seeing the Yanks win a number of times moreso than salaries.

If the Yankees had no competition and blasted through the regular season and Playoffs and won the WS, it probably wouldn't be that exciting... Hilarity would ensue around here and that would be fun though.

BUT, like I've been saying all along - I think there IS competition...And I have a feeling the season is going to be a roller coaster of emotions and ups and downs and the AL east is going to be a battle no matter what the $$$ differential is... At the end of the day MLB is what it is and you haved to look at talent.

I get it - The Yankees have a huge advantage - On paper they should win... Now lets PLAY BALL!!!!

And lets Enjoy the season.. I do feel bad for many other fans - I'm still enjoying the baseball season.

 

[cobalt_27]

It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

I equate it to a fantasy football auction.You have $100 to spend, while the Yankee's have $250.Which team do you think has a better chance of making the playoffs?

The analogy works and illustrates what a disaster this franchise has been in spending its money.

 

[DropKick]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

You REALLY think there is the same level of joy when you do what you are supposed to do, when anything else is failure, as opposed to the wonderful surprise when a team plays above its head and finds a way to win against all odds? Here, you win with all the odds strongly in your favor, or you fail.Now, perhaps you and some other yanks fans truly do feel JUST as good winning with a huge, huge advantage as you would with a level playing field. I would suggest that is part of the problem, especially with many yanks fans (although I wouldnt have had you lumped in with them until this came up). But lets just say that you actually do feel the joy... what about being a WS runner up? For most teams, while there is some sadness at not winning, there is joy of a successful season. With an advantage like the yanks, thats a lost season, no question.But you are correct - I should not tell you nor anyone how to feel when you win a championship. But I can make a judgement when someone gains as much joy from winning with all the odds in their favor as opposed to earning it through a fair playing field.

Well said. I will respectfully withdraw from this thread. Hopefully, you've shed appropriate light on the topic.

 

[Michael Brown]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

You REALLY think there is the same level of joy when you do what you are supposed to do, when anything else is failure, as opposed to the wonderful surprise when a team plays above its head and finds a way to win against all odds? Here, you win with all the odds strongly in your favor, or you fail.Now, perhaps you and some other yanks fans truly do feel JUST as good winning with a huge, huge advantage as you would with a level playing field. I would suggest that is part of the problem, especially with many yanks fans (although I wouldnt have had you lumped in with them until this came up). But lets just say that you actually do feel the joy... what about being a WS runner up? For most teams, while there is some sadness at not winning, there is joy of a successful season. With an advantage like the yanks, thats a lost season, no question.But you are correct - I should not tell you nor anyone how to feel when you win a championship. But I can make a judgement when someone gains as much joy from winning with all the odds in their favor as opposed to earning it through a fair playing field.

So if the Mets win the division in 2009, it won't be a big deal? You won't be excited? After all, they will have the highest payroll in the NL East and probably by a decent margin. So all they'd be doing is what they're supposed to do.

 

[shakeybarn]

Leave it to the Yankees to try and buy a championship. This is what's wrong with baseball.

Last I checked... the most expensive world series champion ever is the BoSox. But who's counting...

 

[shakeybarn]

It's like when you are playing video games and you are always the All-Star team, All-Madden Team etc. and choose to play against the worst team. Having the most advantage is more fun for them.

I equate it to a fantasy football auction.You have $100 to spend, while the Yankee's have $250.Which team do you think has a better chance of making the playoffs?

And Boston has $200, and Chicago, NYM, LA and the Angels have $150-175.There is a reason why the NFL is the best sport in the country, and viewership and marketing-per-game is off the charts. Salary cap...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

and (2) no true joy in winning, just the fear of not living up to the teams expectations, created by their decision to use the system to its absolute fullest, yet come up short.

I just can't understand why anyone who isn't a fan of a team seriously thinks they can define what makes another fan hit that point of joy. I was going to respond to your posts, but if this is a point where you begin, then we will never be able to come remotely close to a finale on the subject because we are speaking two different languages. This is basically what Capella was saying as well and it's a crap point, it really is.

You REALLY think there is the same level of joy when you do what you are supposed to do, when anything else is failure, as opposed to the wonderful surprise when a team plays above its head and finds a way to win against all odds? Here, you win with all the odds strongly in your favor, or you fail.Now, perhaps you and some other yanks fans truly do feel JUST as good winning with a huge, huge advantage as you would with a level playing field. I would suggest that is part of the problem, especially with many yanks fans (although I wouldnt have had you lumped in with them until this came up). But lets just say that you actually do feel the joy... what about being a WS runner up? For most teams, while there is some sadness at not winning, there is joy of a successful season. With an advantage like the yanks, thats a lost season, no question.But you are correct - I should not tell you nor anyone how to feel when you win a championship. But I can make a judgement when someone gains as much joy from winning with all the odds in their favor as opposed to earning it through a fair playing field.

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

 

[Koya]

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

Yanks - first, a lot of what I have said here has been a bit tongue in cheek, but there is still a lot of truth to it. Then again, egging on yanks fans is just about all we mets fans have. Considering your record compared to ours, I dont understand why the vitriolic reaction - but that's what makes it interesting.Anyway, I never claimed that you wouldnt have joy if you win. You should. But there is not as much joy when you are an overwhelming favorite, nor when you have a huge advantage as compared to a team pulling it together either against the odds, or at least not with odds stacked in their favor. As someone else mentioned, its a bit analogous to winning at Madden with a team of complete all stars. Yeah its a win, but is it a true accomplishment?That's my main point. That and that Yanks fans get very very defensive when reminded how huge an advantage they have.. even/especially considering the fact that for nearly a decade, they have not fulfilled on the promise of that huge advantage. But its ok - they totally reloaded. Have what, the 4 biggest contracts in the game? If it isnt this year, when will it be? And while you may consider a WS runner up successful, many yanks fans dont and wont - and most observers definately wont think of that as a success with the riches the team has. Anyway, I dont have much energy for this anymore, just counting days until p's and c's report.

 

[Thunderlips]

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

Yanks - first, a lot of what I have said here has been a bit tongue in cheek, but there is still a lot of truth to it. Then again, egging on yanks fans is just about all we mets fans have. Considering your record compared to ours, I dont understand why the vitriolic reaction - but that's what makes it interesting.Anyway, I never claimed that you wouldnt have joy if you win. You should. But there is not as much joy when you are an overwhelming favorite, nor when you have a huge advantage as compared to a team pulling it together either against the odds, or at least not with odds stacked in their favor. As someone else mentioned, its a bit analogous to winning at Madden with a team of complete all stars. Yeah its a win, but is it a true accomplishment?That's my main point. That and that Yanks fans get very very defensive when reminded how huge an advantage they have.. even/especially considering the fact that for nearly a decade, they have not fulfilled on the promise of that huge advantage. But its ok - they totally reloaded. Have what, the 4 biggest contracts in the game? If it isnt this year, when will it be? And while you may consider a WS runner up successful, many yanks fans dont and wont - and most observers definately wont think of that as a success with the riches the team has. Anyway, I dont have much energy for this anymore, just counting days until p's and c's report.

So it's all relative to the amount your team spent? So you couldn't be as happy as a Phils fan...or a Marlins fan? Yeah....this makes sense.

 

[shadyridr]

Hes getting introduced at the Stadium today at 1PM. Im recording it on my DVR

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

Yanks - first, a lot of what I have said here has been a bit tongue in cheek, but there is still a lot of truth to it. Then again, egging on yanks fans is just about all we mets fans have. Considering your record compared to ours, I dont understand why the vitriolic reaction - but that's what makes it interesting.Anyway, I never claimed that you wouldnt have joy if you win. You should. But there is not as much joy when you are an overwhelming favorite, nor when you have a huge advantage as compared to a team pulling it together either against the odds, or at least not with odds stacked in their favor. As someone else mentioned, its a bit analogous to winning at Madden with a team of complete all stars. Yeah its a win, but is it a true accomplishment?That's my main point. That and that Yanks fans get very very defensive when reminded how huge an advantage they have.. even/especially considering the fact that for nearly a decade, they have not fulfilled on the promise of that huge advantage. But its ok - they totally reloaded. Have what, the 4 biggest contracts in the game? If it isnt this year, when will it be? And while you may consider a WS runner up successful, many yanks fans dont and wont - and most observers definately wont think of that as a success with the riches the team has. Anyway, I dont have much energy for this anymore, just counting days until p's and c's report.

 

[harryhood]

Never knew he was a Donny Baseball guy. I like it.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

Yanks - first, a lot of what I have said here has been a bit tongue in cheek, but there is still a lot of truth to it. Then again, egging on yanks fans is just about all we mets fans have. Considering your record compared to ours, I dont understand why the vitriolic reaction - but that's what makes it interesting.Anyway, I never claimed that you wouldnt have joy if you win. You should. But there is not as much joy when you are an overwhelming favorite, nor when you have a huge advantage as compared to a team pulling it together either against the odds, or at least not with odds stacked in their favor. As someone else mentioned, its a bit analogous to winning at Madden with a team of complete all stars. Yeah its a win, but is it a true accomplishment?That's my main point. That and that Yanks fans get very very defensive when reminded how huge an advantage they have.. even/especially considering the fact that for nearly a decade, they have not fulfilled on the promise of that huge advantage. But its ok - they totally reloaded. Have what, the 4 biggest contracts in the game? If it isnt this year, when will it be? And while you may consider a WS runner up successful, many yanks fans dont and wont - and most observers definately wont think of that as a success with the riches the team has. Anyway, I dont have much energy for this anymore, just counting days until p's and c's report.

It doesn't create a citriolic reaction in me. To be honest, arguments like yours bore me. The Yankees spend a ton of money. Have for awhile. So do some other teams. And some teams spend nothing. It's the variant of baseball. Yet for all the "problems" you guys mention with that system, in the end, it's just as fair and allows for just as much parity as the NFL, which is usually the measuring stick. The facts simply don't back up the crying that some people do over the Yankees spending $200 million on payroll.And as a Yankee fan, and I know I speak for a ton of them, I don't want the highest priced guy on the market on the team every year. It's never worked. When they were on top of the world and unstoppable there were workhorses in the rotation, a bullpen that was nasty anchored by a "homegrown" guy that they didn't buy at the top price, a lineup that had players, not just stars, and a bench full of good solid situation guys mixed with cast offs that could produce here and there or even for a little longer. Again, the fact of the matter is that the team with Posada, Jeter, Williams, Pettite, Rivera, Brosious, O'Neill, Stanton, Nelson and Mendoza was more successful and won more titles then the teams with Posada, Keter, Rivera, Damon, Giambi, Rodriguez, Abreau, Matsui, Farnsworth, and Pavano.If there is one thing that annoyes the hell out of us it isn't that the ownership spends a ton of money every year. Why wouldn't you want your owner to do that? There isn't a single fan of any team that says, I don't want them to invest that much in the best player they can find. It's just too much. Doesn't happen. No, what annoys us is that they seem hell bent on a 25 man roster where the least used bench/bullpen guy is a $10 million player. That doesn't build a team where you have the middle inflied guy that will sac bunt every time up and play solid defense without ego. It doesn't give you a young stud that will do anything to get playing time on the mound. A team of 25 superstars can't win every game, and therefore is just as able to lose as any other team, because baseball, contrary to what the sabermetric nerds try to beleive, is more then numbers. You need a Dave Roberts to steal a base at the most critical time.I have no problem with Tex on the team. I would have preferred Manny if they were going that way though. But that's just personal. He is still my favorite non-Yankee in the sport.

 

[shadyridr]

Never knew he was a Donny Baseball guy. I like it.

Yep. Thats why he wore #23. Also his family hates the Red Sox

 

[Koya]

Again, I just don't fathom that position. Sorry. I don't see how you can be a fan and not be happy when your team wins. If you aren't, what the hell is the point?And yes, there are different levels of joy I guess. 96 means more to me then 99, but not because I was bored with winning. Obviously 2003 and 2004 really really sucked. 04 moreso then 03 given what actually happened.Being a runner up sucks. But I don't consider it a lost season. Just not the most successful one. A lost season is last year. And not just because of the record, but because of the lack of devlopment/injuries to the young pitchers coupled with offense going down and missing the playoffs.

Yanks - first, a lot of what I have said here has been a bit tongue in cheek, but there is still a lot of truth to it. Then again, egging on yanks fans is just about all we mets fans have. Considering your record compared to ours, I dont understand why the vitriolic reaction - but that's what makes it interesting.Anyway, I never claimed that you wouldnt have joy if you win. You should. But there is not as much joy when you are an overwhelming favorite, nor when you have a huge advantage as compared to a team pulling it together either against the odds, or at least not with odds stacked in their favor. As someone else mentioned, its a bit analogous to winning at Madden with a team of complete all stars. Yeah its a win, but is it a true accomplishment?That's my main point. That and that Yanks fans get very very defensive when reminded how huge an advantage they have.. even/especially considering the fact that for nearly a decade, they have not fulfilled on the promise of that huge advantage. But its ok - they totally reloaded. Have what, the 4 biggest contracts in the game? If it isnt this year, when will it be? And while you may consider a WS runner up successful, many yanks fans dont and wont - and most observers definately wont think of that as a success with the riches the team has. Anyway, I dont have much energy for this anymore, just counting days until p's and c's report.

What shirt? I tore up my Mets shirt during their last choke. Im pointing to man boobs right now, its all I got.ttmb:

 

[Michael Brown]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

I think Boras may have worn out his welcome in Boston.

 

[Reaper]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

YES, definitely.My joy factor just shot up 2 notches.

 

[Wrigley]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Really surprised the players association didn't step in.

 

[harryhood]

“If some of the owners are upset that we’re trying to invest in our team, which we do for the fans and only the fans,” he said, “then I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.”

to Hal

 

[DropKick]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

 

[DropKick]

“If some of the owners are upset that we’re trying to invest in our team, which we do for the fans and only the fans,” he said, “then I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.” to Hal

"Times being what they are today, one can understand why Mark Teixeira, introduced Tuesday as the newest member of the Yankees, said that his No. 1 reaction was “relief” when he learned that the Yankees, after already investing about $243 million in pitchers CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, somehow had scraped together $180 million for him to provide for his family the next eight years."It's great to know Teixeira and family won't be in a soup kitchen. What a BS article and its all too typical too see the Yankee fans swallow it as always.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

“If some of the owners are upset that we’re trying to invest in our team, which we do for the fans and only the fans,” he said, “then I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.” to Hal

"Times being what they are today, one can understand why Mark Teixeira, introduced Tuesday as the newest member of the Yankees, said that his No. 1 reaction was “relief” when he learned that the Yankees, after already investing about $243 million in pitchers CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, somehow had scraped together $180 million for him to provide for his family the next eight years."It's great to know Teixeira and family won't be in a soup kitchen. What a BS article and its all too typical too see the Yankee fans swallow it as always.

Isn't there a pic of a WWWHHAAAAMbulance around here?

 

[Michael Brown]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

 

[dparker713]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

I would love to see that for the entertainment value but I can't imagine owners thinking it's a good idea. Do you really want to negotiate in public like that? Would just the salary be open news or everything, like suites, planes, girlfriends in the clubhouse, etc. etc.?

 

[DropKick]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

 

[cobalt_27]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

The whimpering on this board is just laughable. You could have added the Rays to that least just 9 months ago. Just sack it up, already, play ball, and get over the #####ing.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

They should put another team in Northern NJ. This area would then have the 3 highest payrolls in baseball, but at least it would hurt the Yankees.

 

[Wrigley]

I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

The whimpering on this board is just laughable. You could have added the Rays to that least just 9 months ago. Just sack it up, already, play ball, and get over the #####ing.

Typical.You can add the Rays to that list.

Making the playoffs one year is not an indication of sustained success.

 

[Michael Brown]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

Don't you agree that Boston assumed NY wasn't a consideration? Because it is a fact that the entire media and most of the fan bases assumed the Yanks were not involved. So if you DID assume the Yanks were involved, good for you but can you also PM me next week's lotto numbers?My point is, Boston was caught off-guard with the Yanks jumping in with that offer. They were trying to string along the negotiations and lie to the media about being "out of it" all in an attempt to drive Tex's price down. THe Yanks, meanwhile, jumped in with an offer that not only didn't drive the price down but it actually EXCEEDED Boston's.

I may have been unclear about something in the last line; I didn't say Boston only wanted him because the Yanks wanted him. I said they only would've PAID him more if they knew the Yanks were involved. What I mean is, they certainly wanted to sign him, but on their terms. They were busy trying to drive down the price because they felt he was theirs. They wouldn't have gone to $180 mil unless they knew the Yanks were also going there. On the flipside, the Yanks went there without needing Boston to go there first. That may have shown Tex who really wanted him, that's all.

 

[David Yudkin]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

Don't you agree that Boston assumed NY wasn't a consideration? Because it is a fact that the entire media and most of the fan bases assumed the Yanks were not involved. So if you DID assume the Yanks were involved, good for you but can you also PM me next week's lotto numbers?My point is, Boston was caught off-guard with the Yanks jumping in with that offer. They were trying to string along the negotiations and lie to the media about being "out of it" all in an attempt to drive Tex's price down. THe Yanks, meanwhile, jumped in with an offer that not only didn't drive the price down but it actually EXCEEDED Boston's.

I may have been unclear about something in the last line; I didn't say Boston only wanted him because the Yanks wanted him. I said they only would've PAID him more if they knew the Yanks were involved. What I mean is, they certainly wanted to sign him, but on their terms. They were busy trying to drive down the price because they felt he was theirs. They wouldn't have gone to $180 mil unless they knew the Yanks were also going there. On the flipside, the Yanks went there without needing Boston to go there first. That may have shown Tex who really wanted him, that's all.

Tex went to the Yankees because his wife told him to. That's pretty much it. All the banter about who offered what really didn't matter. She just didn't like Boston and really liked NY. Pretty much end of story.

 

[shadyridr]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

Don't you agree that Boston assumed NY wasn't a consideration? Because it is a fact that the entire media and most of the fan bases assumed the Yanks were not involved. So if you DID assume the Yanks were involved, good for you but can you also PM me next week's lotto numbers?My point is, Boston was caught off-guard with the Yanks jumping in with that offer. They were trying to string along the negotiations and lie to the media about being "out of it" all in an attempt to drive Tex's price down. THe Yanks, meanwhile, jumped in with an offer that not only didn't drive the price down but it actually EXCEEDED Boston's.

I may have been unclear about something in the last line; I didn't say Boston only wanted him because the Yanks wanted him. I said they only would've PAID him more if they knew the Yanks were involved. What I mean is, they certainly wanted to sign him, but on their terms. They were busy trying to drive down the price because they felt he was theirs. They wouldn't have gone to $180 mil unless they knew the Yanks were also going there. On the flipside, the Yanks went there without needing Boston to go there first. That may have shown Tex who really wanted him, that's all.

Tex went to the Yankees because his wife told him to. That's pretty much it. All the banter about who offered what really didn't matter. She just didn't like Boston and really liked NY. Pretty much end of story.

Thats what hes telling the media. MB is 100% right here. Tex wouldve went to Boston until they started playing hardball. The Yanks decided to swoop in and make an offer and the Sox didnt think the Yanks would make an offer. Once the Yanks made the offer, Tex's wife told him to play in NY.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

The whimpering on this board is just laughable. You could have added the Rays to that least just 9 months ago. Just sack it up, already, play ball, and get over the #####ing.

Typical.You can add the Rays to that list.

Making the playoffs one year is not an indication of sustained success.

Perhaps. Now making the World Series and doing so with an extremely young team only bodes well for the future, no?

 

[dparker713]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

Not saying the Yankees dont have more resources than any other club, but they also have an ownership that INVESTS in winning. They routinely lose money on their operating budget each year (though since the Steinbrenners also own a stake in the tv station, thats partly because of accounting procedures). However, last year 27 of 30 teams made a profit. Hell, the Nats had a higher profit then they did payroll last season. And even though the Mets have much of the same resources as the Yankees, they are run to turn a yearly profit - hence the massive difference in the two club's payrolls.Make no mistake, the Yankee's spending is as much a function of the Steinbrenners as it is with being located in NYC.

 

[DropKick]

Does it make anyone feel better to know that the Yankees did not offer the most money?

Link

Almost 1/2 billion billion dollars committed this off season and everyone should feel better about the competitive balance?What makes you think the Yankees didn't offer the most money?

From reading the article, it appears the Boston offer was based on his performance rather than just showing up at the office. Apparently, Texeira didn't like the challenge... that, or he was going to sign in New York anyway for the MOST GUARANTEED money.

Now I don't believe all the best players belong in the big markets anyway but the Yankee fans patting themselves on the fanny makes me want to puke.

It will be interesting to see these teams scramble when those corporate seats stop selling...

First off, I was being sarcastic with the first line because of this whole thread. So please don't read into it that I'm patting myself on the back (especially considering I had nothing to do with any of it). Secondly, according to the article, the Yankees didn't offer the most money. So that's where I got it from. Third, it had nothing to do with a "challenge"...the guaranteed money aspect you mentioned is far more significant.I think if Boston had any idea the Yankees were going to $180/8 for him, they'd have stopped farting around with the negotiations and gotten something done sooner. I think Boston not getting a final shot had nothing to do with Teixeira's Mattingly love. Or his wife. Or the new stadium. I think it had to do with Boston's arrogant public posturing that they were backing out while at the same time still negotiating behind the scenes. They assumed he was theirs, and they could get him to sign the deal THEY wanted, not him. And when the Yankees came in with the offer and showed they truly wanted him, he said F Boston we're going to NY. Obviously he was willing to sign at $180/8 but the Red Sox wouldn't go there. Maybe if they go back to Boston, the Sox go to $180/8 or $185/8 or whatever...but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't. I know that goes against typical Boras clientele, but maybe he actually is different in that regard.

And you can call it a BS article, but Edes is a Boston guy.

Actually, sounds more like the fix was always in. Sounds like he (and by he I mean Boras) wanted Tex to go to the Yankees, and that the bad blood between Boras and Henry played a significant roll in how this negotiation played out. Given how Boras and some other agents have worked the system, I wouldnt be surprised if the owners push for transparent bidding on FAs. It would prevent idiot owners from bidding against themselves and prevent any debacles like ARod to the Rangers where Hicks outbid everyone by 50 million.

Yes, the "fix" was in.. in that NY was going to outbid Boston at whatever number they stopped at. As I've stated in other posts, I didn't want him on either team. The fact that NY can outbid every other team because of the huge market and population hurts baseball. I'll probably never see a league where the Pirates, Reds, Royals or the like can be a sustained contender.

But where does Mr. Brown come up with this stuff "but it appears that Tex didn't necessarily want to go to a place that didn't really want to pay him; they only wanted to pay him so the Yankees couldn't"...

Is there anything even remotely factual about that statement. Or are all Yankee fans this brain washed?

Don't you agree that Boston assumed NY wasn't a consideration? Because it is a fact that the entire media and most of the fan bases assumed the Yanks were not involved. So if you DID assume the Yanks were involved, good for you but can you also PM me next week's lotto numbers?My point is, Boston was caught off-guard with the Yanks jumping in with that offer. They were trying to string along the negotiations and lie to the media about being "out of it" all in an attempt to drive Tex's price down. THe Yanks, meanwhile, jumped in with an offer that not only didn't drive the price down but it actually EXCEEDED Boston's.

I may have been unclear about something in the last line; I didn't say Boston only wanted him because the Yanks wanted him. I said they only would've PAID him more if they knew the Yanks were involved. What I mean is, they certainly wanted to sign him, but on their terms. They were busy trying to drive down the price because they felt he was theirs. They wouldn't have gone to $180 mil unless they knew the Yanks were also going there. On the flipside, the Yanks went there without needing Boston to go there first. That may have shown Tex who really wanted him, that's all.

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved. I certainly wouldn't compare that to the one in 7 million chance of hitting the lottery. Do I think Boston was trying to drive the price down? They were trying to negotiate a contract... don't both sides typically try to move the $ in their favor.

What is this "lie to the media" bologna? Boston said they're not a factor... NY said they're not involved. Do you think any participant in the negotiations believed these things? Not likely.

The Yankees price exceeded Boston? You don't say! Isn't that what we're talking about? the ability to grab every high profile player available. Incidentally, they also outbid LA, Baltimore and Washington (there are more than two teams in the league)...

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

And this is the clincher "That may have shown Tex who really wanted him". Classic talk radio brain washing. What did the Angel's GM say "no player is worth more than 160 million"? You don't think all those other teams didn't want him? Dude, they can't afford those types of salaries. That is the whole point.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".... I know they don't NEED him as much as the O's or Nats. The Yankees have a new stadium (ok, maybe more than a little fiscal irresponsibility there) and they need fannies in the seats. That is all.

So, we've always had a gap between the baseball have's and have not's. That gap is getting much bigger. Teams in some of these markets are going to really suffer with these economic problems.

C'mon Yankee fans. Show your true colors. Say that I'm whining or use some other lame, tired response that doesn't really address the issue. Admit that you like baseball the way it is, actually love having this huge advantage. And recognize that you would whine like the high heavens if you had to field a team with a couple holes or "questions marks".

 

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There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

 

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There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.