Teixeira To Yanks (1 Viewer)

[Giantseasonticketholder]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I'm too lazy to look up every team, but is there another sport with a salary cap that most teams don't come close to reaching it? Basketball and Football teams all seem to spend close to the max.

Why should KC spend a $100 million just to be beaten by the $130 million Red Sox or $200 million Yankees? I think if there were a structure in place, you'd see the floor raise as the ceiling came down.

 

[Steelers4Life]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

I HATE this attitude.The best place for the smaller market teams to invest that money is into the minor leagues and player development. I don't want to see the Pirates raise their payroll with the revenue sharing because that won't ever equate to sustained success. What in the world would be the point of raising the payroll to $60 or even $70 million when teams spend twice that, and in the Yankees case, over 3 times as much? Some teams DO invest that money, but it's not seen at the major league payroll level. The Pirates spent more money on draft and international signings than any other team this year, and THAT'S a sign that the current ownership is taking that money and investing it where it should be. They don't have the option of just outspending everyone to remain competitive.For the bigger market teams to complain that the smaller market teams don't invest in their major league payroll is assinine. They're out of touch with what it takes to compete with far more limited resources. Bad signings cripple the small market teams. The Yankees just go out and sign someone else to make up for it.The salary floor concept is a great one, but there can only be a floor if there's complete and TOTAL revenue sharing like in the NFL. Not all teams make enough revenues to support the same payroll. If there was a salary cap and a salary floor that were about $50 million apart, it'd be great for the game... but that can only be accomplished through more than the token revenue sharing that's in place right now.

 

[Thunderlips]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

When a Boston fan cries poor.... you know it has to be bad. I guess 04 didn't mean as much since they so outspent the Cardinals.

 

[Thunderlips]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

I HATE this attitude.The best place for the smaller market teams to invest that money is into the minor leagues and player development. I don't want to see the Pirates raise their payroll with the revenue sharing because that won't ever equate to sustained success. What in the world would be the point of raising the payroll to $60 or even $70 million when teams spend twice that, and in the Yankees case, over 3 times as much? Some teams DO invest that money, but it's not seen at the major league payroll level. The Pirates spent more money on draft and international signings than any other team this year, and THAT'S a sign that the current ownership is taking that money and investing it where it should be. They don't have the option of just outspending everyone to remain competitive.For the bigger market teams to complain that the smaller market teams don't invest in their major league payroll is assinine. They're out of touch with what it takes to compete with far more limited resources. Bad signings cripple the small market teams. The Yankees just go out and sign someone else to make up for it.The salary floor concept is a great one, but there can only be a floor if there's complete and TOTAL revenue sharing like in the NFL. Not all teams make enough revenues to support the same payroll. If there was a salary cap and a salary floor that were about $50 million apart, it'd be great for the game... but that can only be accomplished through more than the token revenue sharing that's in place right now.

I agree that the amount of revenue sharing in the MBL needs to be readdressed...but to compare MLB to the NBA and NFL isn't right. Neither of these two organizations have the minor league system that MLB has, a system that acts as a bulwark against rampant spending at the major league level.

 

[DropKick]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

There have already been a couple of legitimate replies to your post.Yes, I'm in favor of a floor. But how many teams really refuse to reinvest? I'm sure there are a few inept organizations just as there is in the NFL. And I bet there are some cheap owners. But most of the others have financial constraints. After all, it is a business. There are revenue streams and expenses and ultimately a profit to be made by owners. I don't know just how big those revenues, expenses and profits are for each team. I imagine the NY stream is immense, with the YES Network, merchandise, the gate, etc. So, with this huge income, the Yankees, Sox, etc. can pay salaries and take risks that others simply cannot.

 

[DropKick]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

When a Boston fan cries poor.... you know it has to be bad. I guess 04 didn't mean as much since they so outspent the Cardinals.

Actually grew up a fan of the Big Red Machine. Tough to get too wound up about them these days. Although I'll pull for anybody playing the Yankees. I'm not trying to take Boston's side. The discussion just went that way. Part of my frustration is the fixation of Boston/NY on each other.

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

There have already been a couple of legitimate replies to your post.Yes, I'm in favor of a floor. But how many teams really refuse to reinvest? I'm sure there are a few inept organizations just as there is in the NFL. And I bet there are some cheap owners. But most of the others have financial constraints. After all, it is a business. There are revenue streams and expenses and ultimately a profit to be made by owners. I don't know just how big those revenues, expenses and profits are for each team. I imagine the NY stream is immense, with the YES Network, merchandise, the gate, etc. So, with this huge income, the Yankees, Sox, etc. can pay salaries and take risks that others simply cannot.

Then fold the teams that cannot turn a profit in a multi-billion dollar industry. Yankees and Red Sox fans have to suffer because the people of Pittsburgh cannot afford to support their team? Fold the Royals and the Marlins, too. Maybe then the Union will agree to loosed it's stranglehold. That is the side everyone should be against because ultimately it is the Baseball Players Union that has done this. The "haves" are still playing within the rules.

 

[Thunderlips]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side. I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

When a Boston fan cries poor.... you know it has to be bad. I guess 04 didn't mean as much since they so outspent the Cardinals.

Actually grew up a fan of the Big Red Machine. Tough to get too wound up about them these days. Although I'll pull for anybody playing the Yankees. I'm not trying to take Boston's side. The discussion just went that way. Part of my frustration is the fixation of Boston/NY on each other.

In all honesty, I think this will be the make or break year. Baseball as a whole has been doing well these past few years. If attendance is down across the league, the combo of the recession and the reality that the Yankees revenue stream enables them an unfair advantage might push the league for a more even distribution of revenue....something that the Yankees FO will have to seriously consider.

 

[DropKick]

There are only a few teams with the financial ability to pay this type of contract. Count em on one hand. The Yankees have a hole at first base... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that NY is involved.

The Yanks didn't have a hole at 1B -- they had traded for Swisher. Call it whatever you want, but they were fully prepared to go into the season with him at 1B. Want proof? Swisher is currently on the trading block. But only sine they signed Tex. If they *knew* they were getting Tex, why would they have dealt for Swisher and then traded him away all in one offseason?

OK.. "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first."... in what bizarro world are you talking about? Isn't that pure speculation? The general ballpark of offers from various clubs was public knowledge...

This seems contradictory to me. First you said I'm speculating on what the offers were, and then you suggested the offers were public knowledge. I apologize if I'm missing something, but I don't understand what you said here.

Call it what it is. Teixeira (just like most of these guys) went where he could make the most money. Please don't equate dollars to "respect" or use phrases like "really wanted".

Jeez, I try to make the argument that CC is going to go where the money is and people tell me I'm nuts because he's not all about the money. Turns out I was right about that.Then I try to take the opposite viewpoint and suggest (as has been reported by various media) that Teixeira took the most guaranteed money but turned down the actual bigger offer because the Yankees "respected" or "really wanted him" the most (i.e., didn't try to publicly bring his value down one cent) and you jump me for it. If you think it's not insulting for a player to hear from a potential employer that they are backing out of the bidding because the salary is too high, you're nuts. That's essentially the Red Sox telling him AND everyone else, "We like you but we just don't think you're good enough to pay that much money". That's where the respect angle comes in. There was no such public bargaining from NY. I think if Boston had remained behind the scenes with their negotiating and not broadcast to the world that they were "out of it", Tex would be a Red Sock right now.

First of all, I respect your input to this thread. The time and energy to compose a response tells me you're interested in a healthy debate, unlike some other weak, tired input.Upon the Swisher deal, I thought two things... leverage and insurance. Leverage so they would not be dealing from a position of need with Teixeira and insurance if they didn't win the Teixeira bidding.

I thought the statement "the Yanks went there (salary) without needing Boston to go there first." was speculative. Was the Yankee offer a blind bid? (No) Was it made with the knowledge of Boston's offer? (Yes) I'm certain Boras plays these teams off one another to maximize his deal. The Red Sox drive up the price for the Yankees and vice versa.

I can't tell you what is in CC's or Tex's head. In the end, they both went where they could make the most money. I have a suspicion that CC might have taken a little less money to play in a different locale (that was the buzz)... but who can say except him or his agent?

And I'm not nuts... I think you only see the world through pin-striped glasses. The Angels (Tex's previous employer) backed out at 160M. Boston's offer was in the 180M range. I don't think anybody in the sport finds that insulting. Nor do I think the reluctance to commit $ 200 million to one ball player for 10 years is a lack of respect. Nor do I think that things said during the negotiation process are taken to heart as dearly as you suggest.

I think its comical how you criticize the Red Sox for their role in the negotiations. The real truth is you will find fault in anything the Red Sox do.. but not even be aware of the same behavior from the Yankees. I don't want this to be a Boston/NY debate. My beef is the big market/small market side.

I didn't get the impression the Teixeira negotiations were all that contentious. In contrast, consider the A-Rod negotiations of a year ago. Don't you think Yankee brass statement's about A-Rod were far more "disrespectful" than anything Boston said about Teixeira?

So... CC, A-Rod, Tex... the list goes on and on. All these high profile guys naturally go where they can get the most money and that is NY. They cut their hair, conform to the "look", and parade around with a fat wallet protruding from their uni.

Drop Kick,If you could tell me the the Salary Cap would also come with a floor (over $50 million) I would be all for it. The fact that small market teams REFUSE to reinvest in their teams is more of a sham than what the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Tigers, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers etc do.

There have already been a couple of legitimate replies to your post.Yes, I'm in favor of a floor. But how many teams really refuse to reinvest? I'm sure there are a few inept organizations just as there is in the NFL. And I bet there are some cheap owners. But most of the others have financial constraints. After all, it is a business. There are revenue streams and expenses and ultimately a profit to be made by owners. I don't know just how big those revenues, expenses and profits are for each team. I imagine the NY stream is immense, with the YES Network, merchandise, the gate, etc. So, with this huge income, the Yankees, Sox, etc. can pay salaries and take risks that others simply cannot.

Then fold the teams that cannot turn a profit in a multi-billion dollar industry. Yankees and Red Sox fans have to suffer because the people of Pittsburgh cannot afford to support their team? Fold the Royals and the Marlins, too. Maybe then the Union will agree to loosed it's stranglehold. That is the side everyone should be against because ultimately it is the Baseball Players Union that has done this. The "haves" are still playing within the rules.

I don't think the Yankees or Red Sox are suffering. But you're right; everyone is playing within the rules. Maybe those rules will change in the coming years. I can certainly see the impetus for it.Oh and negative on folding small market teams.