Tell me how YOU rank the consensus Top-6 QBs (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

I'll list them alphabetically to not influence the answers.

Brady, Brees, P. Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Vick

Assume the scoring is as follows:

- 1 point per 25 yards passing

- 1 point per 10 yards rushing

- 4 points for a TD pass

- 6 points for a TD rush

- Minus 1 point for a INT

No other unusual scoring or bonuses.

In what order would you rank them, knowing everything you know now? My Top-3 are pretty much set in stone, though I don't think there will be a huge difference between #1 and #6 when it's all said and done.

 

[joffer]

Rodgers

Brees

Vick

Manning

Brady

Rivers

 

[GCP]

Vick

Vick

Vick

Vick

Vick

...the other guys.

 

[Sabertooth]

Rodgers - I'm a Packer backer.

Vick - He's great. More likely to get hurt than Rodgers though.

Rivers - He's a machine. He put together a great season last year with hodge-podge.

Brees - The addition of a power running game is going to help him kill on play action.

Brady - His weapons are not what they once were, but he's still very sharp.

Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

 

[DesmondBishop]

Rodgers (Pinpoint accuracy, great targets to throw to and some rushing numbers)

Vick (Only due to his rushing, I think his passing numbers come down this year)

Brees (Great Passer and I think they throw just as much this year as any other year)

Brady (Incredible arm and accuracy, the two TE's + Welker/Chad/Branch)

Rivers (Awesome passer and throws deep a lot, will have his best wr back all year)

Mannings (Still great, I hope he is healthy enough for week 1, that O-line better keep him upright)

 

[Nero]

Vick

Rodgers

Brady

Rivers

Manning

Brees

 

[tsarc888]

he not in your top 6 but I see him as finishing top 5.....Tony Romo. Lots of good things setting up nice in Dallas for a big passing year.

 

[Raider Nation]

Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

I didn't have Peyton last season, so I didn't follow his numbers on a week-to-week basis like his owners would.It shocked me to learn he threw for 4,700 yards last season. I had no idea. I would have guessed 3,900 or so.

Dude is unreal. I'll never bet against him.

 

[Raider Nation]

he not in your top 6 but I see him as finishing top 5.....Tony Romo.

To be clear, this is not just "my" Top-6. It's the board consensus, and Romo is clearly outside of that group.That said, I won't argue with you. Romo was on pace for some monster numbers before the injury.

 

[eakfootball]

Vick

Rodgers

Rivers

Breed

Brady

Romo

 

[Gamblin'man]

Vick

(big gap)

Rodgers

Brady

Rivers

Manning

Brees

 

[Saint]

[*]Vick

[*]Rodgers

[*]Manning

[*]Rivers

[*]Brady

[*]Brees

 

[adrenaline]

Redraft

Vick

Rodgers

Rivers

Brady

Brees

Manning

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Vick

Rivers

Brady

Rogers

Ryan

Romo

 

[rzrback77]

Rodgers

Brady

P.Manning

Rivers

Brees

Romo

 

[Raider Nation]

Redraft

Yes. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. Rank them for this year only.

 

[Raider Nation]

Man, you guys ranking Vick #1 with a huge dropoff to #2 have a set of big ones.

You almost have to cover your eyes when he leaves the pocket and pray he'll line up for the next play.

 

[frigid5]

Rodgers

Manning

Brees

Brady

Rivers

Vick

I don't think Vick stays healthy or sustains his points per game average from last year. Other than that, I find it hard to rank the other five.

Also, add me to the group that definitely thinks Romo will be great this year.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Rodgers - I'm a Packer backer. Vick - He's great. More likely to get hurt than Rodgers though.Rivers - He's a machine. He put together a great season last year with hodge-podge.Brees - The addition of a power running game is going to help him kill on play action.Brady - His weapons are not what they once were, but he's still very sharp.Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

That's my list except that I could flip everyone after Rodgers and before Manning and not get my feelings hurt.I love Vick's ability to score with his legs, but that injury concern devalues him back into the Brady, Brees and Rivers tier.Manning just scares me. His injury history is starting to build and it's only a matter of time before he starts missing time or missing WR's.

 

[Raider Nation]

Manning just scares me. His injury history is starting to build and it's only a matter of time before he starts missing time or missing WR's.

That's a hard thing to say about a guy who has never missed a start. He is as reliable as the sun coming up.

 

[bengalbuck]

Manning just scares me. His injury history is starting to build and it's only a matter of time before he starts missing time or missing WR's.

That's a hard thing to say about a guy who has never missed a start. He is as reliable as the sun coming up.

True, but father time catches up to you at some point. I don't know if it will be this year or not, but its going to happen one of these years. And when I say that, I don't necessarily mean that he'll miss games, but at some point it will start limiting his effectiveness. I'd rank them:

1. Vick-Back him up w/ VY in the last round if you're that worried about an injury. Reid's offense always produces big passing #s. Add in the rushing...he has to be #1. Might drop him to 2nd or 3rd depending on DJax holdout and Maclin mystery illness though.

2. Rodgers-Close to Vick and the only other guy I'd go out of my way to draft early. Great weapons. Plus he gives you rushing yards that the next 4 guys don't.

3. Brady- I think the young TEs lead to him leading the league in passing TDs.

4. Manning- So consistent and a nice group of weapons. Age/injury are a concern, but still elite.

5. Rivers-I think last year's yardage numbers were inflated due to playing from behind more than normal and weak run game. I think the run game, special teams and D all improve and Rivers falls back to his normal, just over 4000.

6. Brees- I still like him and Graham could be awesome, but the WRs don't look great to me (esp. with Colston's injury concerns). Also seems like Ingram could steal some TDs and pass attempts away.

 

[shortbow]

I'll list them alphabetically to not influence the answers.

Brady, Brees, P. Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Vick

Assume the scoring is as follows:

- 1 point per 25 yards passing

- 1 point per 10 yards rushing

- 4 points for a TD pass

- 6 points for a TD rush

- Minus 1 point for a INT

No other unusual scoring or bonuses.

In what order would you rank them, knowing everything you know now? My Top-3 are pretty much set in stone, though I don't think there will be a huge difference between #1 and #6 when it's all said and done.

VickBrady

Brees

Rivers

Manning

Rodgers

If passing TDs were worth 6:

Brady

Brees

Rivers

Rodgers

P. Manning

E. Manning

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Points per game I like Vick, but he won't last. I fully expect to see huge games by Vick in September and October, but not in December.

1. Rodgers

2. Phillip Rivers

3. Drew Brees

4. Tom Brady

5. Peyton Manning

6. Mike Vick

 

[sihaokills]

Rodgers(everything about him goes to stud)

Vick(stud, great weapons)

Rivers(Was a beast with a bad group last year, will be a stud this year)

Brees(Better running game and solid receivers)

Brady(Better weapons but not too good of a run game)

Manning(Aging, weapons are ok but are getting old or injured. No solid run game)

 

[Bayhawks]

Rodgers(everything about him goes to stud)Agreed, easy #1, IMO

Vick(stud, great weapons)Health is an issue, IMO; PPG, he'll probably be #1, but unsure about him playing all 16; he has to be #2, though

Rivers(Was a beast with a bad group last year, will be a stud this year)If the running game is improved, his attempts & yards will probably go down, but 4000 and 30 TDs is a safe bet; agree with #3

Brees(Better running game and solid receivers)Ingram should make the run game better, but it doesn't need to be; part of Brees' value is his huge number of pass attempts (and yards); I'd put him #5

Brady(Better weapons but not too good of a run game)The Pats have virtually the same RB corps as last year, and last year they were top-10 in attempts, rushing yards, yards per carry, AND rushing TDs. With the improvements to their defense, I can see NE having the lead often this year, and rushing the ball even more towards the end of games, thereby lowering Brady's attempts (and yards); #6

Manning(Aging, weapons are ok but are getting old or injured. No solid run game)His weapons are as good (or better) and as healthy as Brees', he's only a year older than Brady, and he hasn't had a solid run game in 3 years, and he still puts up 4000+ and 30+ TDs; #4

 

[Banger]

Vick

Rodgers

Brady

Brees

Rivers

Manning

Vick and Rodgers and at the top of pack in my mind due to their rushing ability and their young developing nucleus's (nuclei??). Put the next 4 in a hat IMO and pick. If I miss out on the top 2, I'm going for whoever falls to #6.

 

[Sabertooth]

Man, you guys ranking Vick #1 with a huge dropoff to #2 have a set of big ones.You almost have to cover your eyes when he leaves the pocket and pray he'll line up for the next play.

He's no more likely to be injured than Rivers or Manning. He's 31, most running backs don't hit the wall until, oh wait.

 

[MTskibum]

Big ben was tied for 6th in ppg last season, and he was 3rd in ppg 2 seasons ago. Yet everyone is discounting him this year. Ben will finish top 6 this season.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

1a. Vick - Only concern is that he will likely miss a couple of games this year, but getting VY late/another solid backup could cover you. Certainly a risk, but you're getting an extra RB when you start him. He won championships for many FF managers last season (myself included).

1b. Rodgers - The only other QB I'd consider in the first 2 rounds. No argument with anyone who ranks him higher, as he is the "safer" pick. Nice weapons on a great offense, and he gets his share of rushing points.

3. Brees

4. Rivers

5. Peyton

6. Brady

The above 4 are so close that I'm just ranking them according to "gut feelings". Subject to change on a weekly basis.

 

[fightingillini]

Vick, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Rivers, P Manning

Vick and Rodgers are in their own tier due to their running stats....Vick would easily be #1 if he could stay upright for 16 games.

Brees, Brady, Rivers, and P Manning are all very similar to me......I would be fine with any of the 4.

But my ideal scenario is to pass on all of those and I would target Romo or Roethlisberger a round or two later.....especially Romo, who I have #4 on my QB list, in between Brees and Brady.

 

[NeverEnough]

Rodgers - I'm a Packer backer. Vick - He's great. More likely to get hurt than Rodgers though.Rivers - He's a machine. He put together a great season last year with hodge-podge.Brees - The addition of a power running game is going to help him kill on play action.Brady - His weapons are not what they once were, but he's still very sharp.Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

Let's not forget about Rodgers & concussions.

 

[sho nuff]

More interesting to me than the gap some want to put between Vick and Rodgers is the few that have Rodgers all the way down to 4th or 5th on this list?

Are you predicting a big injury? Because with that scoring, I don't see any other reason to rank him lower with what he adds running the ball.

 

[DoubleG]

Manning just scares me. His injury history is starting to build and it's only a matter of time before he starts missing time or missing WR's.

The bolded part doesn't make sense. Last year Garcon missed time, Collie missed time and his favorite TE was out almost half the season...and he still had the most completions he has had in a single season and threw for 4,700 yards and 33 TDs.

 

[gandalas]

1) Rivers. With Matthews being banged up again already, it is looking like he will have to fling it again. If Gates and Jackson are there all season, I see him possibly being the #1.

2) Rodgers. I would put him at #1 except for the injury concerns that HE has with the concussions. 1 game out if he even gets one more, most likely.

3) Brees. Playing off a better run game will only help his effeciency.

4) Romo. I really like him, and that running game in DAL looks like a mess right now.

5) Brady. #1 last year, and his targets are all a year older, which is good (young WRs and TEs), and bad (Welker). Also added 85, which could be a godsend.

6) Manning. Can't really put him lower than this, and will probably finish higher.

7) Vick. If he plays all season he will blow this ranking away. But that is a BIG if.

 

[davidwb]

Rodgers

Vick

Brees

Manning

Rivers

Brady

 

[DoubleG]

Rodgers - Finley back, Grant/Starks both healthy. Clear #1 IMHO. The only concern is that he has to play Chicago and Detroit's defenses twice every season. Check his QB ratings against those two teams.

Manning - I think his injury is being over-stated. His fantasy numbers were great last year - without Clark for half the season. The Indy run game is still bad (meaning they have to keep airing it out). He should be right there again...as he always is. He has finished in the top 3 fantasy QBs in 10 of the last 11 years (I don't remember what happened in 2008.)

Vick - last season was no fluke - but he will come back down to earth a little though. Maclin's mysterious illness concerns me a little bit too.

Rivers - Gates relatively healthy and VJax back in the fold. He could even give Rodgers a run for #1 if Gates can stay on the field more.

Brees - Colston already showing signs that he might miss some time. I think the additional running game will add to the Saints offensive numbers, I just don't think it will help Brees's fantasy numbers much. I realize the whole "more chances due to more 1st downs" thing - but some of those chances will be spent running (and some of the ones leading to the 1st downs will be on the ground moreso as well). Also, some of Brees' passing numbers were to Bush. The combo of his being gone and Colston being possibly out at times, leads to a wash (at best) with the overall improvement of the offense due to the running game.

Brady - addition of 85 helps, but not enough to put him up with the others. Brady hasn't cracked the top 5 in fantasy QBs since 2007. I don't think he does in 2011 either.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

I didn't have Peyton last season, so I didn't follow his numbers on a week-to-week basis like his owners would.It shocked me to learn he threw for 4,700 yards last season. I had no idea. I would have guessed 3,900 or so.

Dude is unreal. I'll never bet against him.

Manning threw the second most attempts in the history of the NFL last season, falling just 12 attempts shy of Bledsoe's 691 mark pace from 1994. If you thought he had a ho-hum sort of year, you were right. It was actually the worst season of his career in terms of yards per pass and net yards per pass since his rookie season, and it was his fourth worst season (behind his rookie year, the '01 disaster, and a not so amazing (for Manning) '02 performance) in terms of ANY/A. The Colts ran an absurd number of plays last year -- 1,088. Part of that was that the Colts allowed six return scores, which put their offense back on the field a lot (four pick-sixes in there). Part of that is just plain fluky randomness -- for example, in 2009, the Colts ran 980 plays. Most teams average 1,000 plays a season, but every year, there are outliers. It's got nothing to do with team quality when you ran 1,088 plays, but that's what Indy did last season. Combined with a miserable running attack, and you can see why Manning nearly broke the record for most pass attempts in a season. Still, Manning as a QB was actually a bit down from his usual self last season, and it's possible we're seeing age set in (or it's possible that the attrition on offense was the biggest reason).

 

[shadyridr]

Vick

Rodgers

Brees

Manning

Rivers

Brady

 

[We Tigers]

Rodgers

Vick

Rivers

Brees

Manning

Brady

And I would be delighted to have any of them, which means I probably won't be touching Rodgers or Vick since at least one of the others (or Romo) will be around 2 rounds later.

 

[Cawbird]

1. Rodgers

2. Brady

3. Vick

4. Brees

5. Manning

6. Rivers

 

[cubbie5150]

Vick > Rodgers > Brady >> Rivers > Brees > P Manning

Pretty much same scoring as my leagues EXCEPT we get 6 pts/ANY TD. That makes Rodgers & Vick pretty much a con-flip to me given the former's ability to produce rushing yards & scores, albeit on a lesser level than Vick, of course. Maclin's condition could have a very big impact on where ends up on my list prior to when I draft (Aug 27). Brady is actually my dark horse to be the #1 QB, but I can't get myself to buck convention & rank him #1.

 

[Sabertooth]

Rodgers - I'm a Packer backer. Vick - He's great. More likely to get hurt than Rodgers though.Rivers - He's a machine. He put together a great season last year with hodge-podge.Brees - The addition of a power running game is going to help him kill on play action.Brady - His weapons are not what they once were, but he's still very sharp.Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

Let's not forget about Rodgers & concussions.

Is Vick less likely to get a concussion?

 

[eoMMan]

Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Manning

 

[Banger]

Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

I didn't have Peyton last season, so I didn't follow his numbers on a week-to-week basis like his owners would.It shocked me to learn he threw for 4,700 yards last season. I had no idea. I would have guessed 3,900 or so.

Dude is unreal. I'll never bet against him.

Manning threw the second most attempts in the history of the NFL last season, falling just 12 attempts shy of Bledsoe's 691 mark pace from 1994. If you thought he had a ho-hum sort of year, you were right. It was actually the worst season of his career in terms of yards per pass and net yards per pass since his rookie season, and it was his fourth worst season (behind his rookie year, the '01 disaster, and a not so amazing (for Manning) '02 performance) in terms of ANY/A. The Colts ran an absurd number of plays last year -- 1,088. Part of that was that the Colts allowed six return scores, which put their offense back on the field a lot (four pick-sixes in there). Part of that is just plain fluky randomness -- for example, in 2009, the Colts ran 980 plays. Most teams average 1,000 plays a season, but every year, there are outliers. It's got nothing to do with team quality when you ran 1,088 plays, but that's what Indy did last season. Combined with a miserable running attack, and you can see why Manning nearly broke the record for most pass attempts in a season. Still, Manning as a QB was actually a bit down from his usual self last season, and it's possible we're seeing age set in (or it's possible that the attrition on offense was the biggest reason).

I think you can look at it a couple ways..I tend to view it as Manning being his SuperManning self (haha)... They had a crazy amount of injuries to his wr staff... Collie, Garcon, Gonzo, Clark so they were constantly shuffling guys in and out of the lineup and he was still able to keep the wheels on, keep drives alive and score points. If the guys stay healthy I think it will give the offense more continuity and make the drives more efficient. Last year when I watched Manning it didn't seem like he lost anything, in fact most of the time I watched them I thought to myself if he weren't on that team they would very likely be the worst team in the league...no running game, terrible defense, bad STs, ragtag bunch of wrs and no name te's. He did a remarkable job keeping that team competitive.

 

[Mark Wimer]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

 

[Sabertooth]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

 

[eoMMan]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

I think you're a little low on Vick.

 

[Banger]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

Where does Big Ben fit in? Not sure what the morality grading scale is between rape and dog killing.... personally I'd drop Ben several spots lower on the morality scale.

 

[NeverEnough]

Vick

Rodgers

Romo

Brees

Manning

Brady

 

[Reepicheep]

I think there is a tedency to downgrade Vick too much based on injury concerns. It's not like you don't get to put in a replacement QB for games he misses.

Just adding conservative "replacement-level" points of 16 * 4 to Vicks numbers last year but your total QB scoring at 430 and give a VBD of 136.