Tell me how YOU rank the consensus Top-6 QBs (1 Viewer)

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

1a. Vick - Only concern is that he will likely miss a couple of games this year, but getting VY late/another solid backup could cover you. Certainly a risk, but you're getting an extra RB when you start him. He won championships for many FF managers last season (myself included). 1b. Rodgers - The only other QB I'd consider in the first 2 rounds. No argument with anyone who ranks him higher, as he is the "safer" pick. Nice weapons on a great offense, and he gets his share of rushing points.3. Brees4. Rivers5. Peyton6. BradyThe above 4 are so close that I'm just ranking them according to "gut feelings". Subject to change on a weekly basis.

As I said after Brady won people leagues the year he threw 50 tds. You didn't spend a 1st or 2nd on him. 1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Manning4. Brees5. Rivers6. Vick

 

[spider321]

I can see a lot of you have been drinking the Michael "one year of accuracy wonder" Vick kool-aid.

 

[VaTerp]

Rodgers - I'm a Packer backer. Vick - He's great. More likely to get hurt than Rodgers though.Rivers - He's a machine. He put together a great season last year with hodge-podge.Brees - The addition of a power running game is going to help him kill on play action.Brady - His weapons are not what they once were, but he's still very sharp.Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

Let's not forget about Rodgers & concussions.

Is Vick less likely to get a concussion?

Based on what doctors say about concussions, YES.

 

[Moldy Potato]

One thing I haven't seen many of you mention: what kinds of defenses do these QBs' teams have?

The reason I bring this up--according to the pundits, Philly, New Orleans, and New England have all made meaningful improvements to their defenses (you can debate the merits of this argument, but let's assume those three teams will in fact be improved on defense). Should we consider moving Vick, Brees, and Brady down in the rankings at all? On the other hand, someone like Peyton Manning will likely be forced to go in every week and win those games on his own, with little help from his defense. Doesn't that make him a more reliable threat than a comparable quarterback on a team with a dominant defense?

 

[Raider Nation]

Brady (Better weapons but not too good of a run game) The Pats have virtually the same RB corps as last year

They drafted RBs in the 2nd AND 3rd round.

 

[VaTerp]

1)Vick- Reid + Vick= Fantasy Gold at the QB position. Yes, injury risk has to be considered but he's still comfortably #1 on my board.

2)Rogers- Can be surgical at times and numbers he can add on the ground seperate him from the pack.

3)Brady- The more I look at his numbers from last season the more impressed I am. Had the Pats not focused on the ground the last three weeks of the season he tops 4,000 yards easily and I think people are talking about him differently. I think Chad adds another deminsion to the intermediate passing game as well.

4) Rivers- A full season with Jackson. I see no reason for a drop off

5) Brees- Not much to say. I like him just a little less than the top 4, maybe b/c I think slightly less of his receiving corps.

6) Manning- He's a machine but small chinks in the armor may be starting to show

Vick's and Rogers'running ability along with explosive weapons in the passing game put them just above the rest of the pack. The next 4 are not far behind and I would not be surprised to see them finish in any order or even at the top. I also think Romo will push to be in this group. After those 7, there is a very clear and distinct cliff IMO.

 

[Raider Nation]

One thing I haven't seen many of you mention: what kinds of defenses do these QBs' teams have? The reason I bring this up--according to the pundits, Philly, New Orleans, and New England have all made meaningful improvements to their defenses (you can debate the merits of this argument, but let's assume those three teams will in fact be improved on defense). Should we consider moving Vick, Brees, and Brady down in the rankings at all? On the other hand, someone like Peyton Manning will likely be forced to go in every week and win those games on his own, with little help from his defense. Doesn't that make him a more reliable threat than a comparable quarterback on a team with a dominant defense?

More important than that to me is an ineffective running game. Like with Rivers and Manning last year, for the most part.

 

[VaTerp]

One thing I haven't seen many of you mention: what kinds of defenses do these QBs' teams have? The reason I bring this up--according to the pundits, Philly, New Orleans, and New England have all made meaningful improvements to their defenses (you can debate the merits of this argument, but let's assume those three teams will in fact be improved on defense). Should we consider moving Vick, Brees, and Brady down in the rankings at all? On the other hand, someone like Peyton Manning will likely be forced to go in every week and win those games on his own, with little help from his defense. Doesn't that make him a more reliable threat than a comparable quarterback on a team with a dominant defense?

More important than that to me is an ineffective running game. Like with Rivers and Manning last year, for the most part.

Two good points to consider. Maybe from a yardage standpoint it will be a factor but I still see all three of those teams throwing a bunch to get and keep big leads if that's how games play out.With Vick, Reid has shown he is going to throw the ball regardless. I think Philly will be very good on defense but some people are getting a little ahead of themselves. I've seen post talking about how they will be sitting all their starters once they get HFA. That's a big assumption to make.With Rogers, McCarthy has shown that he will use the short passing game like running the ball. And with Rogers' accuracy it works.With Brady, I think NE is most likely to go to the run game with the lead (and I noted above how the last 3 games of last season really brought down Brady's yardage total) but you never know with Belicheck. I still remember 2007 when the Pats were throwing on people up by 4-5 TDs.But again, these are good factors to consider.

 

[Captain Hook]

Some of these are so close it is a coin flip

1/2 - Vick/Rodgers or Rodgers/Vick

3 - Brady

4 - P. Manning

5)- Brees

6)- Rivers

 

[CentralPA]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

Still too soon?

 

[Raider Nation]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

Still too soon?

Fortunately, my league changed the scoring to get rid of the -1 for being a criminally sadistic animal abuser.

 

[thehornet]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

lol pathetic.

 

[Sabertooth]

One thing I haven't seen many of you mention: what kinds of defenses do these QBs' teams have? The reason I bring this up--according to the pundits, Philly, New Orleans, and New England have all made meaningful improvements to their defenses (you can debate the merits of this argument, but let's assume those three teams will in fact be improved on defense). Should we consider moving Vick, Brees, and Brady down in the rankings at all? On the other hand, someone like Peyton Manning will likely be forced to go in every week and win those games on his own, with little help from his defense. Doesn't that make him a more reliable threat than a comparable quarterback on a team with a dominant defense?

More important than that to me is an ineffective running game. Like with Rivers and Manning last year, for the most part.

Rodgers too.

 

[Sabertooth]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

lol pathetic.

Beneath all the sarcasm is the very real potential that Vick gets suspended for off the field activities.

 

[Banger]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

lol pathetic.

Beneath all the sarcasm is the very real potential that Vick gets suspended for off the field activities.

same with Big Ben, Santonio, VJax, Benson, and on and on.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

1 - Rodgers

2 - Brees

3 - Vick

4 - Rivers

5 - Peyton

6 - Brady

7 - r0m0

 

[steelcityman]

I have 0% chance of drafting any of these in our keeper league, so I dont even look at them, but

Rivers

Vick

Rodgers

Brady

Brees

Big Ben

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

lol pathetic.

he forgot to mention herpes.

 

[Sabertooth]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

lol pathetic.

Beneath all the sarcasm is the very real potential that Vick gets suspended for off the field activities.

same with Big Ben, Santonio, VJax, Benson, and on and on.

What do any of those guys have to do with this list? I realize that's true but he's the only one on this list with that hanging over his head.

 

[MikeApf]

Good thread:

Rodgers -- he's hitting his prime, always been consistent, etc.

Brees -- I like what they've done in the offseason; he's always been good but I think they are setting up for a big year.

Rivers -- getting Jax back will help

Brady -- Ocho could make him big though.

Beck -- ok, kidding; not really; I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

Vick -- If you had said Vick/Young, I may have ranked him higher, but I believe he will miss games and if we are scoring QBs on a full season and not just per game, this drops him down.

Manning -- he is tremendous but I think the dropoff will begin this year.

In general, if I'm going to take one of the top QBs, I'm likely going to be spending a high draft pick. And if that's the case, I want some security along with the big potential. That's why I would tend to drop Vick and Manning, which my instinct tells me carry some risk.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Manning - He's starting to show signs of age I think.

I didn't have Peyton last season, so I didn't follow his numbers on a week-to-week basis like his owners would.It shocked me to learn he threw for 4,700 yards last season. I had no idea. I would have guessed 3,900 or so.

Dude is unreal. I'll never bet against him.

Manning threw the second most attempts in the history of the NFL last season, falling just 12 attempts shy of Bledsoe's 691 mark pace from 1994. If you thought he had a ho-hum sort of year, you were right. It was actually the worst season of his career in terms of yards per pass and net yards per pass since his rookie season, and it was his fourth worst season (behind his rookie year, the '01 disaster, and a not so amazing (for Manning) '02 performance) in terms of ANY/A. The Colts ran an absurd number of plays last year -- 1,088. Part of that was that the Colts allowed six return scores, which put their offense back on the field a lot (four pick-sixes in there). Part of that is just plain fluky randomness -- for example, in 2009, the Colts ran 980 plays. Most teams average 1,000 plays a season, but every year, there are outliers. It's got nothing to do with team quality when you ran 1,088 plays, but that's what Indy did last season. Combined with a miserable running attack, and you can see why Manning nearly broke the record for most pass attempts in a season. Still, Manning as a QB was actually a bit down from his usual self last season, and it's possible we're seeing age set in (or it's possible that the attrition on offense was the biggest reason).

In all fairness, Manning runs a TON of plays out of the no huddle, getting more plays off, quicker.

 

[Chase Stuart]

In all fairness, Manning runs a TON of plays out of the no huddle, getting more plays off, quicker.

980 plays in 2009. 969 in 2008.

 

[butcher boy]

Rivers - Gained more weapons than he lost.

Rodgers - Still great.

Romo - If healthy, he belongs here.

Brees - Improved defense affects numbers just enough to be ranked 4th

Brady - Still great, but no longer top 3.

Vick - Defense is so good he can stop passing/running by halftime.

Manning - Still good, but getting older.

 

[Chaka]

Per game:

Vick

Rogers

Rivers

Brees

Manning

Brady

Season:

Rogers

Rivers

Brees

Manning

Brady

Vick

 

[thehornet]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

 

[Bayhawks]

Brady (Better weapons but not too good of a run game) The Pats have virtually the same RB corps as last year

They drafted RBs in the 2nd AND 3rd round.

I don't see either rookie getting significant playing time at RB in 2011. Vereen (who is already hurt) would most likely play a Faulk/Woodhead type role (although a number of people feel he is suited to be an "every-down" back, I don't, at least not this year), and Ridley would most likely play a BJGE role. I don't see either rookie replacing the veterans ahead of them, but if they did, it would make sense to assume they were better than the veterans, thereby improving the top-10 Pats rushing attack. Since the post I replied to indicated that the Pats rushing attack was not good, IF the rookies were to replace the veterans, they good rushing attack would only get better.

In either case, my concern (and it's a small one) with Brady is that the improved defense could allow the rushing attack to take over in many 4th quarters, thereby reducing Brady's attempts, and yardage.

 

[DoubleG]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players--------tier here---------Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though(somebody else)Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues(somebody else)(somebody else)---------tier here--------(somebody else)Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)There ya go.

Where does Big Ben fit in? Not sure what the morality grading scale is between rape and dog killing.... personally I'd drop Ben several spots lower on the morality scale.

Let's not do this again. It'd be a shame to morality all over this thread. In all fairness it wasn't you who started it, but let's not go here.

 

[GDogg]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

It has probation and supervised release. A violation of the terms of those could (will probably) send you back to prison. This changes Wimer's point how?

 

[thehornet]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

It has probation and supervised release. A violation of the terms of those could (will probably) send you back to prison. This changes Wimer's point how?

Yeah, i know. Thats why I wrote it above. If you're going to bash someone, get your facts straight. or you can sound ignorant, like he did.

 

[Chairshot]

All of this is telling me I should be able to get Peyton on the cheap come draft day.

 

[jurb26]

- 4 points for a TD pass- 6 points for a TD rush

Because of this I'd rank them:VickRogersBreesRiversBradyManning

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

All of this is telling me I should be able to get Peyton on the cheap come draft day.

Funny, I was thinking the same. Only for Romo.

 

[Chairshot]

All of this is telling me I should be able to get Peyton on the cheap come draft day.

Funny, I was thinking the same. Only for Romo.

I think you are definitely right there. I'd be happy with either one of these guys in the 4th or 5th round.

 

[RBM]

Rodgers

Brees

Brady

Manning

Rivers

Vick

 

[shortbow]

I mean, I realize the top 6 is pretty much opinion every year as they are all so close it doesnt matter, just seems really funny to me that specifically Rodgers and Vick are toted above the QBs that are clearly better.

There are arguments to be made for both of them, but you would figure that Brees Brady and Manning at least 2 of them would be in everyones top 3, as they are easily the three best QBs in the NFL right now.

 

[Mark Wimer]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

It has probation and supervised release. A violation of the terms of those could (will probably) send you back to prison. This changes Wimer's point how?

Yeah, i know. Thats why I wrote it above. If you're going to bash someone, get your facts straight. or you can sound ignorant, like he did.

Vick Could Face Parole Violation 7/7/2010It appears that thehornet finds it a flaw in my analysis that I was formerly unaware of the fine distinctions between parole violations, probation violations, and violations of a federally "supervised release". Evidently there is a huge difference between a city or state parole officer and a federal "supervised release" overseer/officer/case-worker-whatever-the-Feds-call-it.

If that makes me ignorant, then I'm happily ignorant.

I also DO NOT think that exhibiting behavior on the edge of a federal "supervised release" violation makes Vick one whit better of a risk as a fantasy quarterback during 2011 than if he were exhibiting behavior on the edge of a "parole" violation in some lesser jurisdiction.

Can I quantify those risks in yards per attempt or yards per carry or the moral implications of being a criminally sadistic animal abuser. NO. Can I say that:

MICHAEL VICK IS AT RISK TO RETURN TO PRISON DUE TO HIS CONTINUING INVOLVEMENT WITH AN ENTOURAGE THAT ARRANGES EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE GET SHOT?

Yes, I think it is reasonable to present the above as a risk factor when evaluating his 2011 prospects. And downgrading him accordingly as I see fit.

 

[shortbow]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

--------tier here---------

Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

It has probation and supervised release. A violation of the terms of those could (will probably) send you back to prison. This changes Wimer's point how?

Yeah, i know. Thats why I wrote it above. If you're going to bash someone, get your facts straight. or you can sound ignorant, like he did.

Vick Could Face Parole Violation 7/7/2010It appears that thehornet finds it a flaw in my analysis that I was formerly unaware of the fine distinctions between parole violations, probation violations, and violations of a federally "supervised release". Evidently there is a huge difference between a city or state parole officer and a federal "supervised release" overseer/officer/case-worker-whatever-the-Feds-call-it.

If that makes me ignorant, then I'm happily ignorant.

I also DO NOT think that exhibiting behavior on the edge of a federal "supervised release" violation makes Vick one whit better of a risk as a fantasy quarterback during 2011 than if he were exhibiting behavior on the edge of a "parole" violation in some lesser jurisdiction.

Can I quantify those risks in yards per attempt or yards per carry or the moral implications of being a criminally sadistic animal abuser. NO. Can I say that:

MICHAEL VICK IS AT RISK TO RETURN TO PRISON DUE TO HIS CONTINUING INVOLVEMENT WITH AN ENTOURAGE THAT ARRANGES EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE GET SHOT?

Yes, I think it is reasonable to present the above as a risk factor when evaluating his 2011 prospects. And downgrading him accordingly as I see fit.

I hate Michael Vick as a person and its unfortunate that I wont ever forgive him, but I can respect what hes done in an attempt to make right, he will never have done enough though.Also, 0.55 Violations per 2,000 yds passing, hope Vick owners werent hoping for a 4k Passing yd season.

 

[thehornet]

1. Rodgers - Elite QB, Best Supporting Cast, Best overall team

2. Brees - Elite QB, Quality Supporting Cast - some injury concerns with Colston

3. Manning - Elite QB, Quality Supporting cast but age and injuries are catching up with core Offense players

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Brady - Elite QB, OK Supporting cast, dink-and-dunk 2-TE game plan though

(somebody else)

Rivers - Great QB, Depth problems among supporting cast, TE Antonio Gates serious foot issues

(somebody else)

(somebody else)

---------tier here--------

(somebody else)

Vick - Criminally sadistic animal abuser, convicted felon on parole, many credible rumors of marijuana use when in Atlanta (possible parole violation ahead), convicted gambler - risk of lengthy NFL suspension if he starts gambling again and is caught, still surrounded by a gangster entourage (fellow convict Quanis Phillips shot at a party that Vick's entourage arranged/where Vick attended in summer 2010) - possible parole violation risks here too, increased injury risk due to style of play (only 12 games last year; fragile A/C joints in his shoulders have caused considerable problems in the past), questions on WR corps (Maclin mystery illness, Jackson contract dispute)

There ya go.

Vick isn't on parole. The federal system doesn't have parole. He is on supervised release, but I am sure you knew all that.

It has probation and supervised release. A violation of the terms of those could (will probably) send you back to prison. This changes Wimer's point how?

Yeah, i know. Thats why I wrote it above. If you're going to bash someone, get your facts straight. or you can sound ignorant, like he did.

Vick Could Face Parole Violation 7/7/2010It appears that thehornet finds it a flaw in my analysis that I was formerly unaware of the fine distinctions between parole violations, probation violations, and violations of a federally "supervised release". Evidently there is a huge difference between a city or state parole officer and a federal "supervised release" overseer/officer/case-worker-whatever-the-Feds-call-it.

If that makes me ignorant, then I'm happily ignorant.

I also DO NOT think that exhibiting behavior on the edge of a federal "supervised release" violation makes Vick one whit better of a risk as a fantasy quarterback during 2011 than if he were exhibiting behavior on the edge of a "parole" violation in some lesser jurisdiction.

Can I quantify those risks in yards per attempt or yards per carry or the moral implications of being a criminally sadistic animal abuser. NO. Can I say that:

MICHAEL VICK IS AT RISK TO RETURN TO PRISON DUE TO HIS CONTINUING INVOLVEMENT WITH AN ENTOURAGE THAT ARRANGES EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE GET SHOT?

Yes, I think it is reasonable to present the above as a risk factor when evaluating his 2011 prospects. And downgrading him accordingly as I see fit.

Pointing out the risk is one thing. Flaming us with your high moral standards is just annoying. We've been doing this in the pool since Vick re-entered the league. So yeah, I called you out for misusing the terms of his realease because there is in fact, no such thing as parols in the federal penal system.Anyways, sorry to disrupt the thread....