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About two years ago I left my old job at a sinking organization to take a seemingly better one for more money and trajectory. It was maybe the worst decision I've ever made. When I joined, the office was essentially three people who had been there for a little bit, and four others who had been hired within the past two months. Only one was a boss. I'll spare some of the gory details, but that boss was bad.

Within two months, a mid-level boss was hired. Everyone was ecstatic. The mid-level boss turned out to be just as bad as the high-level boss, if not worse in some ways. He called people idiots in public, yelled at everyone (including the high-level boss), and would literally take his bag and go home when he didn't get his way. After I asked to take vacation, during Christmas week mind you, he reprimanded me saying that I should consider how my vacation would affect the workload of other people in the office. The next day, he took vacation for the entire week.

Best part is he started becoming rather close with the young woman in the office (not worth pics). There were three hour lunches, shopping trips, he would buy her shoes and what not. They would pick each other up from the airport and wait to leave the office together. After the young woman got promoted, people got pissed and spoke to HR. Side note, after this happened the mid-level boss confronted me in the bathroom, like literally waited outside the stall while I took a dump, to ask if I had spoken to HR. The ones who did were put on probation and then fired (two people). Three others and I quit within two months. They've since had three more people quit (new hires after I quit).

Concise epilogue is that the mid-level boss was fired late last year, after the young woman turned on him and, reportedly, is now in line for his old job. He's since completely flipped his s***. He's emailed old colleagues asking them to sign a petition to get his old boss (high-level manager) fired and still sends flowers to the young woman at the office, despite whatever it is she did to him. Oh, he's also married.

Since I quit I've been happily freelancing. A couple of organizations are starting to recruit me. I haven't said no, but I am secretly nervous about re-entering an office. I know this makes me sound like a wuss, but it's true. I want to believe that what I experienced was pretty extreme, but it really messed me up a bit. I just can't shake the thought that so many bad things happened and everyone who could have done anything (high-level boss, HR, VPs, CEO) just sat on their hands while chaos ensued. It just seems like there are so many ways for things to go badly, and so few for things to go correctly.

I know I can't freelance forever. Please say something that will make me feel confident about going back to an office.

 
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It sounds like the office you came from was a disaster, and not just because of that one guy. If he was getting away with banging/stalking employees, intimidating employees, and people were quitting because of him and HR, his supervisor, and those above him did nothing about it, the company as a whole had a problem.

That being said, you're going to run across multiple ###holes in any office, but the chances that you encounter something like that again are slim. A good company (hell, a mediocre company) will not stand for someone like that. If that experience alone is why you are worried about getting back into an office, I wouldn't sweat it.

 
I'd avoid really small organizations. I've worked for 2 and they both were terrible b/c all it takes is was crazy owner. Unless you have firsthand knowledge of what you're getting into, there's just too much risk. I think I'd draw the line at like a 50 person organization.

 
I'd avoid really small organizations. I've worked for 2 and they both were terrible b/c all it takes is was crazy owner. Unless you have firsthand knowledge of what you're getting into, there's just too much risk. I think I'd draw the line at like a 50 person organization.
That makes sense. This was actually about a 100 person organization, but the office I worked in was a satellite office, so there was some level of independence.

 
I'd avoid really small organizations. I've worked for 2 and they both were terrible b/c all it takes is was crazy owner. Unless you have firsthand knowledge of what you're getting into, there's just too much risk. I think I'd draw the line at like a 50 person organization.
Agreed. I took a job that sounded great once that ended up being similar to the OP's experience, minus the woman thing. I only lasted a month before I left. I'll never work for a small company like that again.

 
I want to hear more about this old job
Yeah, more about this mid level loser. Pretty sure it's the same guy I worked with back in the late 90's/early 2000s.

A real #### eating loser.

 
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I want to hear more about this old job
Yeah, more about this mid level loser. Pretty sure it's the same guy I worked with back in the late 90's/early 2000s.

A real #### eating loser.
It's insane that people like this are allowed to operate. He was just a total beta who wanted to be an alpha--all bark and no bite, hiding behind a position. A classic combination of little man's syndrome meets equipment manager who's convinced he should be starting quarterback. Looking back I'm convinced he never slept with the woman because he's too much of a coward to make anything happen. He just kept hanging on like a 17 year old in the friend zone. Once the woman decided she got all she could from him, she turned on him and that was that. Now he's still hanging on by sending her flowers on Valentine's Day and other nonsense. It just baffles me.

 
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Small organisations are either great or terrible IMO. There seems to be very little room for a middle ground. The biggest thing with a small company is it doesn't take someone deliberately making life terrible for your work experience to be a poor one. In a small company, even a lazy or disinterested management will make you hate life quickly.

If you find a small company with a great owner and great management, it can and likely will be one of the best work experiences of your life. It will be much like working for yourself with an added level of security. However, if you find one with a poor owner or terrible management.... well you already know what that's like.

Don't automatically assume that a large company will be better though. Sure, a large company will most likely have an HR department that will take things more seriously than your last company did, but a horrible boss or immediate supervisors can still make your life hell.

 
Since I quit I've been happily freelancing. A couple of organizations are starting to recruit me. I haven't said no, but I am secretly nervous about re-entering an office. I know this makes me sound like a wuss, but it's true. I want to believe that what I experienced was pretty extreme, but it really messed me up a bit. I just can't shake the thought that so many bad things happened
I don't think you're a wuss. Went through very similar first job out of college. Went out on my own. Happy as ever & making significantly more. Make own hours/work from home. I could never ever ever ever ever ever do an office job again.

 
I want to hear more about this old job
Yeah, more about this mid level loser. Pretty sure it's the same guy I worked with back in the late 90's/early 2000s.

A real #### eating loser.
It's insane that people like this are allowed to operate. He was just a total beta who wanted to be an alpha--all bark and no bite, hiding behind a position. A classic combination of little man's syndrome meets equipment manager who's convinced he should be starting quarterback. Looking back I'm convinced he never slept with the woman because he's too much of a coward to make anything happen. He just kept hanging on like a 17 year old in the friend zone. Once the woman decided she got all she could from him, she turned on him and that was that. Now he's still hanging on by sending her flowers on Valentine's Day and other nonsense. It just baffles me.
You sure you weren't working for a FBG? That sounds awful lot like Mad Sweeney.

Addressing your post, I think you'll be fine and wouldn't sweat working in an office. Besides, you can always quit, right? You did it once before and it seems to be working out so far.

 
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First of all, how are you?
I'm great now. Working for myself is nice.

There's just lingering wounds or whatever you call it. I don't think there's really anything I can do to get over flushing and then seeing my boss waiting right there for me. That was just inexplicably awkward. If anything, I think what pisses me off the most is the thought that I was very dependent upon him by virtue of his relationship to me. He was responsible for teaching me how to do things and introducing me to contacts. He was supposed to evaluate my performance, and whatever his opinion was would have been immediately accepted as fact. Now, every time I hear about him doing something borderline deranged, I think about how dependent I was on a nut case just because of my position relative to his.

 
Man just had to update this. Had lunch with a former co-worker. Apparently the mid-level guy used to leave the woman's favorite candy all over the office for her to find. Last week he went into the office's parking garage and left some on her car (you know, after she wore him like a cheap suit). Mind you the parking garage is 15 floors, so I don't know how long it took him to find her car. She texted him to stop doing that and now he's emotionally crushed. Those guys who reported him to HR many moons ago must feel so validated now.

Can't believe I put up with that job for as long as I did.

 

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