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rockalum

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I'm not a big believer in racism.

But when noodle-arm Chad Pennington lands a STARTING job in 1 day and some of the other guys that have been out there can't find work, it makes me wonder what's going on.

I guess I understand Culpepper hasn't been good for a few years now, but I'm a little surprised Leftwich and Brooks have been left out there.

Now, I know Culpepper and Leftwich are both going to sign with the Steelers to battle to back up Roethlisberger, but ... what's going on at QB in the NFL?

 
Because Parcells played a large role in drafting Pennington? That could have had a big role in them not wanting the other two..

As for Aaron Brooks.. uh, your kidding right?

 
Pennington has performed far better in his most recent action than any of those three guys. Further, Culpepper got an offer from Green Bay and didn't take it.

And like JG said, you're kidding about Brooks... right?

 
rockalum said:
I'm not a big believer in racism.

But when noodle-arm Chad Pennington lands a STARTING job in 1 day and some of the other guys that have been out there can't find work, it makes me wonder what's going on.

I guess I understand Culpepper hasn't been good for a few years now, but I'm a little surprised Leftwich and Brooks have been left out there.

Now, I know Culpepper and Leftwich are both going to sign with the Steelers to battle to back up Roethlisberger, but ... what's going on at QB in the NFL?
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How does the bolded apply to Culpepper, but not to Lefty or Brooks?I'm no Pennington apologist...I think hes a high quality backup whos an excellent spot starter, but can't be relied upon for a 16 game season.

However, thats much, MUCH, more than Pepper, Lefty, or especially Brooks can be to a team right now. None are talented enough to be a starter right now, and all have shown bad to horrible attitudes about being a backup, and in the case of Pepper and Lefty, havent shown the ability to stay healthy.

If Pepper and Lefty would be willing to sign a prove-it contract, they'd get work (which I believe is the case with PIT), but wanting starter's money and/or a guaranteed job at this point is a pipe-dream.

Penny, at the very least, is a very smart guy, who'll be able to quickly pick up and offense, and won't be a distraction in the locker room.

 
valhallan said:
And like JG said, you're kidding about Brooks... right?
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:hophead:There are plenty of worse backups in the league. I know there's a perception that he has a bad attitude, but that didn't stop Jeff George from getting jobs for a long time.I certainly believe there are still lingering racist attitudes in the NFL, particularly when it comes to the quarterback position. I'm acquaintances with a former player (I won't say who but anyone reading this board would recognize his name) and he's always joking that the best job situation in football is to be the white backup quarterback.
 
Afro Samurai said:
valhallan said:
And like JG said, you're kidding about Brooks... right?
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:shrug:There are plenty of worse backups in the league. I know there's a perception that he has a bad attitude, but that didn't stop Jeff George from getting jobs for a long time.I certainly believe there are still lingering racist attitudes in the NFL, particularly when it comes to the quarterback position. I'm acquaintances with a former player (I won't say who but anyone reading this board would recognize his name) and he's always joking that the best job situation in football is to be the white backup quarterback.
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:rolleyes: There are heaps of black backup QBs in the league. Cleo Lemon. Anthony Wright. DJ Shockley. Darrell Hackney. Dennis Dixon. Troy Smith. Seneca Wallace. Quinn Gray. Andre Woodson.
 
rockalum said:
I'm not a big believer in racism.

But when noodle-arm Chad Pennington lands a STARTING job in 1 day and some of the other guys that have been out there can't find work, it makes me wonder what's going on.

I guess I understand Culpepper hasn't been good for a few years now, but I'm a little surprised Leftwich and Brooks have been left out there.

Now, I know Culpepper and Leftwich are both going to sign with the Steelers to battle to back up Roethlisberger, but ... what's going on at QB in the NFL?
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Does this mean you aren't racist or you don't believe racism exists? Because I can assure there is plenty of racism in the world and the USA. All that said, Chad is a capable player, Culpepper not so much.
 
When will people finally understand that Leftwich sucks?

Leftwich <<<<<<<< Harrington <<<<<<<<< Chris Redman

Harrington and Chis Redman..,

 
rockalum said:
I'm not a big believer in racism.
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Teams currently, in 2008, put the best player on the field regardless of race.Culpepper, Leftwich and Brooks no longer belong in the league. Pennington does. He's no Tom Brady, but he's no Culpepper, Leftwich or Brooks either.Sometimes a Caucasian player just happens to be better than an African-American. It happens and it's okay.
 
Is racism a part of reality? Yes, and sports is not somehow immune from that. However, the original poster's suggestion that racism played a part in these particular QBs being acquired or not acquired is one of the most ridiculous expressions I have ever, ever read on this messageboard.

It utterly fails to take into account the most serious considerations that factor into QB (non)signings and the control group is so small that we can't extrapolate any useful information other than what the above posters offered.

 
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Leftwich: Had the slowest delivery in the NFL. He's a statue back there and has to have a really, really good o-line in order to not get sacked on virtually every passing play.

Brooks: Was, at one point, the dumbest QB in the NFL>

Culpepper: Has small hands and a tendency to fumble every time he gets hit. Plus, wthout Randy Moss he's been worse than mediocre. And, he turned down a contract.

More importantly, every one of these players has had an opportunity with at least one other team since they were originally released, and none of them could make a go of it.

Brooks: Raiders

Culpepper: Dolphins and Raiders

Leftwich: Falcons

 
Frank Black said:
Is racism a part of realty? Yes, and sports is not somehow immune from that. However, the original poster's suggestion that racism played a part in these particular QBs being acquired or not acquired is one of the most ridiculous expressions I have ever, ever read on this messageboard.

It utterly fails to take into account the most serious considerations that factor into QB (non)signings and the control group is so small that we can't extrapolate any useful information other than what the above posters offered.
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Yes. There are people out there that won't even go to an Open House if they know the realtor selling the house is black.
 
Sam Quentin said:
When will people finally understand that Leftwich sucks?Leftwich <<<<<<<< Harrington <<<<<<<<< Chris RedmanHarrington and Chis Redman..,
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If Leftwich was white we would not be having this conversation. It is reverse racism. It is kinda a built in crutch that when things do not go the way they are perceived to suppose to go and a black player or whatever the situation is it is racism. JUST BULL CRAP! Here is the deal if you work hard have talent and this goes for anything in life you will succeed. If Leftwich and Culpepper had what it took they would not be out there long. Fact is they are just not that good. Now they both signed with the Steelers so lets see if either if them stick.
 
Pennington isn't very good but he's better than Culpepper and Leftwich.

Perhaps a better question would be why did the Colts sign Quinn Gray instead of Leftwich and Culpepper?

 
I'm pretty sure this is true about government jobs in general, but I know that the government of my town is very strong in hiring blacks as part of affirmative action, so those guys won't be out of a job for long --- don't worry too much about them.

 
I have only watched random games of the QBs listed in this topic but based on that admittedly small sample size and following the fantasy and sports analyses of the players, I believe this is not an example of bias but reflective of two other factors:

First, Pennington is a QB, with admittedly limited athletic gifts.

Culpepper, Leftwich, Brooks and Vick to include him as another example, are tremendously gifted athletes who played QB. Culpepper and Leftwich are the size of, or larger than many linebackers, incredibly strong and fairly mobile. Brooks and Vick are incredibly fast and agile, Vicks being the epitome of an athlete.

However, success in football requires ability that incorporates leadership and skill, not just raw talent. Vick displayed leadership and skill, Culpepper somewhat, the others not from what I saw. Pennington, in contrast, is a team player and even when he was injured was seen rallying teammates on the sideline. I am sure the movie "Rudy" is on Pennington's shelf in the AV room.

Short passes and ball control are how games are won. The big play is exciting, but for day in and day out success, the boring five to fifteen yard plays are how it is done. People forget the value of moving the chains in the day of televised highlights. I think of Jeff Garcia as another Pennington type.

The issue of racism or other forms of bias surely exists as every human forms opinions and expectations based upon their upbringing and personal experience. Much of the NFL ownership is of the "good old boy" network. Yet, the business of the NFL and the goal of winning precludes bias from being the basis of personnel decisions. Character, yes. Ability, yes. Race, hopefully not.

People should note too, the emergence of the Hispanic superstars in the league. Garcia, Romo, Bulger and Losman are all noted to be Mexican-American according to wikipedia. I was not aware of Bulger or Losman's nationalities, and having learned that, I can't say it changes my opinion of any of them. The NFL is well integrated, with racial representations that vary considerably from the national population. I am glad that the sport, in addition to providing such wonderful entertainment, also provides opportunity to so many athletes, many of whom have come from very modest backgrounds. Thankfully, many of these athletes represent the league and are exceptional role models. Sadly, the media focuses on those whose character is suspect or corrupt.

Pennington left behind many supporters in the Jets, and it was stated in one news article that much of the team was angered at his release. I wish Pennington success, and hope Culpepper, Leftwich and Brooks all find opportunity to further develop and showcase their talents.

 
rockalum said:
I'm not a big believer in racism.
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Oh cmon, don't be modest.lmao @ Brooks. Yeah and why can't Andre Ware get an offer? Friggin klan NFL.
Afro Samurai said:
I certainly believe there are still lingering racist attitudes in the NFL
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Of course there are. How many white RBs or WRs you see nowdays? Nobdy gets a job based on ability anymore. All racism one way or other.
RenegadeGM said:
Yes. There are people out there that won't even go to an Open House if they know the realtor selling the house is black.
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Represents a large % of the population too, so that's a good point. Course no black person ever avoids a white person because only whites are racist. [/Trinity United Church of Christ]
Eviloutsider said:
Culpepper turned down a Packers deal maybe, wait for it, because he is racist!
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Again, black people can't be racist, stupid. duh.
 
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I think Pennington's lack of a "big arm" and brittleness overshadows his true effectiveness. Penny's QB rating has topped 80+ and his completion percentage has eclipsed 63%+ in each of the 5 seasons where he has played at least 1/2 the games. Additionally, he has sported a positive TD-INT ratio in each of these 5 seasons and taken the Jets to the Playoffs three times ('02, '04 and '06).

Not a bad pick-up for a team with essentially two rookies (Beck and Henne) and a journeyman (McCown). Not bad at all.

 
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Eviloutsider said:
Culpepper turned down a Packers deal maybe, wait for it, because he is racist!
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Which was ridiculous, IMO. There's no way I'd rather play behind PGH's line than Green Bay's. Now he's competing for the job of second string behind Big Ben, who is much less likely to lose time or get yanked than Rodgers.The dude either doesn't really want to play football or he should 'fire his agent'.
 
I had to start Culpepper in an emergency situation last year and he scored me 5 TD's in one game against Miami.

You'll never hear me say a bad word against the man. He's awesome. lol :)

 
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notice it takes TWO of those 3 dudes you mentioned just to replace one charlie batch?

btw, anybody else sickened tomlin would go out of his way to sign not one, but TWO black guys while testaverde is only a phone call away?

I wonder what he's got against italians.

also, while I'm asking, is there any news on getting another italian drafted into the league to replace him?

 
Truman said:
:) There are heaps of black backup QBs in the league. Cleo Lemon. Anthony Wright. DJ Shockley. Darrell Hackney. Dennis Dixon. Troy Smith. Seneca Wallace. Quinn Gray. Andre Woodson.
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You missed the point. The idea is that the white guy gets the benefit of the doubt more, particularly from fans but also from coaches and teammates in a subtler way.I have no reason to disbelieve my friend since he has pretty much made a career out of being a backup QB and would benefit from said "phenomenon". :lmao:
 
Parcells - He saw the Favre to the Jets scenario and has been planning this move for a while now, so the Pennigton lands a job in a single day theory is not really true

 
Your thread loses some credibility because you included Aaron Brooks, but in all honesty, Pennington is better than Leftwich and Culpepper, and Leftwich can't stay healthy. He's slow footed and has one of the slowest deliveries in the history of the game. Rookie QB Andre Woodson eventually might give him a run for his money for that honor. As far as Culpepper goes, well, he hasn't shown much at all in recent years has he? Why would the Colts go after Quinn Gray and not give Culpepper a 2nd thought? Also, Culpepper has extremely small hands, thus the reason for so many fumbles.

 
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Afro Samurai said:
valhallan said:
And like JG said, you're kidding about Brooks... right?
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;)There are plenty of worse backups in the league.
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After seeing every game he played in 6 years for New Orleans, I'm not so sure. He absolutely would have been removed from his starting position in '02 if he and Haslett hadn't been given seemingly lifetime passes for getting the Saints their first EVER playoff win. Those two clowns allowed Brooks to continue playing with a bum shoulder and took a good 9-4 team to 3 straight losses and no playoffs, while a healthy and obviously more talented Delhomme sat on the bench. In order to protect Aaron from more "We Want Jake" chants, the team let Delhomme go to a divisional rival, whom he promptly took to the Super Bowl. In other words, Brooks kept his job as long as he did because the Saints management was inept. Not because he deserved it. Even the Raiders knew enough to part ways with him after 1 season.
 
RenegadeGM said:
Frank Black said:
Is racism a part of realty? Yes, and sports is not somehow immune from that. However, the original poster's suggestion that racism played a part in these particular QBs being acquired or not acquired is one of the most ridiculous expressions I have ever, ever read on this messageboard.

It utterly fails to take into account the most serious considerations that factor into QB (non)signings and the control group is so small that we can't extrapolate any useful information other than what the above posters offered.
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Yes. There are people out there that won't even go to an Open House if they know the realtor selling the house is black.
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Forgive my early Sunday morning typo. What you say is sometimes true, and also applies to some doctors, lawyers and other professional services.
 
rockalum said:
I'm not a big believer in racism.

But when noodle-arm Chad Pennington lands a STARTING job in 1 day and some of the other guys that have been out there can't find work, it makes me wonder what's going on.

I guess I understand Culpepper hasn't been good for a few years now, but I'm a little surprised Leftwich and Brooks have been left out there.

Now, I know Culpepper and Leftwich are both going to sign with the Steelers to battle to back up Roethlisberger, but ... what's going on at QB in the NFL?
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playing the race card every single time that things don't go your way, is a cheesy cop-out. ;) Pennington is a Parcells guy, he's won playoff games, he's won a division title, he was the 2006 NFL Comback Player of the Year

Among NFL quarterbacks with at least 1,500 pass attempts, Chad Pennington's 65.6 career completion percentage ranks best all-time....

Culpepper is/was a product of Randy Moss/Chris Carter, he's sucked everywhere else he's played..

Brooks? 'cmon , be real..

Leftwhich? what's he done to prove he can even play at the pro level..I don't know, plenty of teams could use a young QB such as Leftwhich.. I wonder why no one has signed him yet..let me think...oh yeah, he sucks..

Pennington is a great teammate, lockeroom guy, etc..he's not a flake like Leftwhich or Brooks..

EDITED: just read that Pitt signed both Culpepper and Leftwhich.. :popcorn:

 
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I agree that the OP's reasoning is fundamentally flawed. However, why are some citing Leftwhich's durability as a factor when Pennington also has an extensive injury history?

 
TidesofWar said:
Parcells - He saw the Favre to the Jets scenario and has been planning this move for a while now, so the Pennigton lands a job in a single day theory is not really true
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Bill has a history of keeping his eye on his old players, for example Keyshawn and in a more recent Dolphin move, Anthony Fasano. What happens to the OP's theory if TidesofWar is correct?
 
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valhallan said:
After seeing every game he played in 6 years for New Orleans, I'm not so sure. He absolutely would have been removed from his starting position in '02 if he and Haslett hadn't been given seemingly lifetime passes for getting the Saints their first EVER playoff win. Those two clowns allowed Brooks to continue playing with a bum shoulder and took a good 9-4 team to 3 straight losses and no playoffs, while a healthy and obviously more talented Delhomme sat on the bench. In order to protect Aaron from more "We Want Jake" chants, the team let Delhomme go to a divisional rival, whom he promptly took to the Super Bowl. In other words, Brooks kept his job as long as he did because the Saints management was inept. Not because he deserved it. Even the Raiders knew enough to part ways with him after 1 season.
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I saw all his games too, and I AM sure. There are definitely worse backups in the league. *sigh* I can't believe I find myself in the position of defending Aaron Brooks. How did this happen?Not getting into this stuff. It's not 2003 anymore (thank God). No sense in continuing to revisit this, I'd prefer to stick to the topic at hand.
 
Afro Samurai said:
valhallan said:
After seeing every game he played in 6 years for New Orleans, I'm not so sure. He absolutely would have been removed from his starting position in '02 if he and Haslett hadn't been given seemingly lifetime passes for getting the Saints their first EVER playoff win. Those two clowns allowed Brooks to continue playing with a bum shoulder and took a good 9-4 team to 3 straight losses and no playoffs, while a healthy and obviously more talented Delhomme sat on the bench. In order to protect Aaron from more "We Want Jake" chants, the team let Delhomme go to a divisional rival, whom he promptly took to the Super Bowl. In other words, Brooks kept his job as long as he did because the Saints management was inept. Not because he deserved it. Even the Raiders knew enough to part ways with him after 1 season.
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I saw all his games too, and I AM sure. There are definitely worse backups in the league. *sigh* I can't believe I find myself in the position of defending Aaron Brooks. How did this happen?Not getting into this stuff. It's not 2003 anymore (thank God). No sense in continuing to revisit this, I'd prefer to stick to the topic at hand.
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You can think he's still talented and I won't try to convince you otherwise, but why do you think 32 NFL general managers and 32 coaches do not want to employ Brooks now?
 
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