Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Like I said, no offense, but I'm not interested in having this conversation. I'm sure there are any number of factors but I don't like where this is going.Peace.
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valhallan
Footballguy
Ok man, sorry to scare you off by responding to your post. For everyone else, I think the answer to my question is that Brooks has poor character, poor work ethic, and poor fundamentals, which are precisely the areas in which Pennington is excellent. We've seen countless examples over the years of guys with seemingly limited athletic ability being far superior quarterbacks than their more talented counterparts. That's just the nature of the quarterback position.Like I said, no offense, but I'm not interested in having this conversation.Peace.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
The snide remark only confirms to me that it's not a good idea to continue this conversation.
Obviously you are still very passionate about this, but I left it behind years ago and don't really feel like rehashing what is best left in the past.
Have a nice day, man.
Obviously you are still very passionate about this, but I left it behind years ago and don't really feel like rehashing what is best left in the past.
Have a nice day, man.
valhallan
Footballguy
I didn't mean that remark to be snide, and I'm really not that passionate about it anymore. You made it obvious you didn't want to talk about the past, so I shifted my question to focus on the topic at hand - "why don't these guys have jobs". I firmly believe the three things I outlined above are the reason. Even McCarthy wasn't interested.
It seems to me you can't discuss Brooks at all because of bad memories of past debates. Trust me, I went through plenty of those too and don't want to do it again either. But if your past precludes you from having any sort of conversation about Brooks, then you probably shouldn't have jumped in the thread. I have the same issue Manning/Brady debates.
It seems to me you can't discuss Brooks at all because of bad memories of past debates. Trust me, I went through plenty of those too and don't want to do it again either. But if your past precludes you from having any sort of conversation about Brooks, then you probably shouldn't have jumped in the thread. I have the same issue Manning/Brady debates.
-baller
Footballguy
how many goodbye posts are you going to make?The snide remark only confirms to me that it's not a good idea to continue this conversation.Obviously you are still very passionate about this, but I left it behind years ago and don't really feel like rehashing what is best left in the past.Have a nice day, man.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
IIRC, Culpepper was acting as his own agent when he was negotiating with the Pack. I am not sure and too lazy to search but I believe the Packers offered him a one year deal at the league minimum. For a team that was 30 M under the cap, that is peanuts for a QB. It almost guarantees that he will be cut before the season no matter how good he played in preseason.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
....and just think, Culpepper would have won the league MVP in 2004 had it not been for Peyton Manning's record setting season.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Familiarity with the system. Why make it more complicated than it is?
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Yes, he's been his own agent for some time.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
My apologies, your highness. I'll try to do better next time.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Penny is very NFL smart... hes the type that will take a young QB under his wing and Groom him. Even when he was able to go last yr, the Jets still placed Clemens out on the field even when it was clear that Penny offered a better chance to win... and did Penny take it personally, did he look upset when the Jets won a game while he was on the sidelines healthy.. nope; he cheered and congrat the kid for doing a great job. Those types of actions allow you to stay employed.
Pennington is miles ahead of those other QB mentioned.. even if he physically limited in his arm strength... everyone wants a team player in their locker room.
Pennington is miles ahead of those other QB mentioned.. even if he physically limited in his arm strength... everyone wants a team player in their locker room.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Parcells drafted Chad and always goes for "his guys" ala Terry Glenn.Pennington is good in the clubhouse, a non-complainer. Pennington is a smart QB, a guy willing to mentor. Culpepper and Lefty do not want to mentor a group of young QBs.
T Bell
Footballguy
Ok man, sorry to scare you off by responding to your post. For everyone else, I think the answer to my question is that Brooks has poor character, poor work ethic, and poor fundamentals, which are precisely the areas in which Pennington is excellent. We've seen countless examples over the years of guys with seemingly limited athletic ability being far superior quarterbacks than their more talented counterparts. That's just the nature of the quarterback position.Like I said, no offense, but I'm not interested in having this conversation.Peace.
Point out the snide part - I didn't see it.The snide remark only confirms to me that it's not a good idea to continue this conversation.
Obviously you are still very passionate about this, but I left it behind years ago and don't really feel like rehashing what is best left in the past.
Have a nice day, man.
It seems to me that you started a topic that couldn't be anything but controversial, but you've gotten some good substantive responses pointing out why the three guys you mentioned are poor examples of racism in the NFL, and I have yet to see you respond to that. Instead, I see you griping about the tone of some responses.
What was the point of this thread?
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Dude. I didn't start the topic.:facepalm:
As for why I didn't feel like going down the tangent we were headed, it should be fairly obvious.
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Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Well, what do you expect, going around making comments like that? Mind ya damn business.And besides we've already kissed and made up (sort of).
T Bell
Footballguy
My bad.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Now imagine Aaron Brooks was good at football.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
My suspension of disbelief works, but not that good.
freshly_shorn
Footballguy
Culpepper has proven that his banner years were more a product of the system, Robert Smith, Cris Carter and Randy Moss's talent than anything he did. Sure, he could chuck it a mile, but most NFL QB's can. I think he'd be a fine back up. Pennington is a starter and a nice fit for a West-Coast offense. I'm assuming that's what Miami will be running, or at least some version of it.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Sorry but I'm going to need a much better apology than this. Something containing the words "beg your humble forgiveness" would do. Or you could buy me a sixer.My bad.
In all honesty, I do agree with the OP to some (small) extent. I mean, Todd Bouman is still in the league for cripe's sake. What redeeming qualities does he have that keep him in a job?But it doesn't just happen with black quarterbacks......like somebody else mentioned, there are very few white receivers and running backs, and the ones that are around in invariably lumped into the "lumbering slow white guy" category.It's hardly a stretch to believe that racism/prejudice exists in the NFL when it quite obviously exists in other parts of society. Not that it's a vast sinister conspiracy or anything like that.
-baller
Footballguy
dude, it's a joke thread.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Coaches and GMs that are trying to get a new contract would start a martian at QB if they could run the offense with precision.Sorry but I'm going to need a much better apology than this. Something containing the words "beg your humble forgiveness" would do. Or you could buy me a sixer.My bad.In all honesty, I do agree with the OP to some (small) extent. I mean, Todd Bouman is still in the league for cripe's sake. What redeeming qualities does he have that keep him in a job?
But it doesn't just happen with black quarterbacks......like somebody else mentioned, there are very few white receivers and running backs, and the ones that are around in invariably lumped into the "lumbering slow white guy" category.
It's hardly a stretch to believe that racism/prejudice exists in the NFL when it quite obviously exists in other parts of society. Not that it's a vast sinister conspiracy or anything like that.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
No way they signed him because he has the highest completion % in NFL history, right?
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Says you.I still believe there's a little truth to it, sorry.e-baller said:
valhallan
Footballguy
Cool. Glad we could help.
I understand this, but there is something missing from that discussion. I doubt Bauman is getting over the league minimum. Go back and look at what Leftwich and Culpepper wanted. They may have changed their collective tunes by now, but bridges might have been burned. Do I think some players/coaches are discriminated against? maybe. But, I do not think this is what is at work with these two. Aaron Brooks was a situation that surprised me.Afro Samurai said:Sorry but I'm going to need a much better apology than this. Something containing the words "beg your humble forgiveness" would do. Or you could buy me a sixer.Tatum Bell said:My bad.
In all honesty, I do agree with the OP to some (small) extent. I mean, Todd Bouman is still in the league for cripe's sake. What redeeming qualities does he have that keep him in a job?
But it doesn't just happen with black quarterbacks......like somebody else mentioned, there are very few white receivers and running backs, and the ones that are around in invariably lumped into the "lumbering slow white guy" category.
It's hardly a stretch to believe that racism/prejudice exists in the NFL when it quite obviously exists in other parts of society. Not that it's a vast sinister conspiracy or anything like that.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Given the players selected by the OP, high draft picks with physical talent who have some version of teased and failed as NFL QBs, David Carr and Joey harrington should be the prime examples of guys who have jobs that should not. If you try to take any objective look at whether or not race is a factor in 2008 in QB decisions, while possible would be a tough sell. the organizations which these guys last played for all currently or recently had other black QBs as thier starters and all but a couple of organizations have had a black QB make and stay on the 53 man roster.
I am certain that forms of bigotry exist in the world, but i am more worried about the guy who did not get a $30,000 a year job or was denied a mortgage on an average house than I am guys who made multi-millions who can't get another high paying gig, becasue their play was at best questionable at thier last stop.
I am certain that forms of bigotry exist in the world, but i am more worried about the guy who did not get a $30,000 a year job or was denied a mortgage on an average house than I am guys who made multi-millions who can't get another high paying gig, becasue their play was at best questionable at thier last stop.
baconisgood
Footballguy
OP- its been said a few different ways, but Pennington was not cut in the same way the three suckateers you mentioned were. Leftwich and Culpepper had starting jobs last year that they sucked at and they were cut for performance reasons. Brooks would have probably gotten another shot if he hadn't had attitude issues, but he also sucked his last two years (16TD and 25ints in 21 games). Pennington was cut because his salary was to high, they needed cap space to get favre and Chad was suddenly expendable. He may be a below average starting QB, but far ahead of the other three.
as for 3rd string QBs, there are probably a dozen or so of them who would be worse starting QBs than Leftwich, but frankly that difference is small considering that neither would be likely to lead the team to a win. A 3rd QBs job (unless they are young and being groomed) is to run the scout team, chart plays, watch film- in general they are like an assitant coach who will see the field in an emergency.
as for 3rd string QBs, there are probably a dozen or so of them who would be worse starting QBs than Leftwich, but frankly that difference is small considering that neither would be likely to lead the team to a win. A 3rd QBs job (unless they are young and being groomed) is to run the scout team, chart plays, watch film- in general they are like an assitant coach who will see the field in an emergency.
valhallan
Footballguy
Yep. The third QB is never a guy that's had his chance and failed at starting. It's silly to act like the guys in question here should have jobs over most of the 3rds in the league now.
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Pennington and Parcells have familiarity and a comfort level with one another...yet Aaron Brooks can't get a fair shake and there are people from Appalachia or other white, rural portions of the country who won't attend a real estate open house if they know the real estate agent isn't white?! 
Not sure how folks got down that path in the Pool (save it for the FFA, buddy, LOL), but could it just be that Parcells KNOWS Pennington, and sees him as a veteran who can buy them a bit of time to get Henne or ??? ready to take over the gig?! A term for folks to get to know, understand and eventually live by: Occam's razor TIA.
