rockaction
Footballguy
This is the thread for forty times as they unfold at the combine. Times are unofficial.
Jaydon Blue - 4.40u/4.39u
Tahj Brooks - 4.53u/4.55u
Jaydon Blue - 4.40u/4.39u
Tahj Brooks - 4.53u/4.55u
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Temporary RB Forty Time Thread (1 Viewer)
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Donovan Edwards - 4.45u with a stumble/4.45u
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Trevor Etienne - 4.43u with a stumble/4.43u
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DJ Giddens - 4.43u/4.45u
Ollie Gordon II - 4.61u/4.62u
Ollie Gordon II - 4.61u/4.62u
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Omarion Hampton - 4.47u at 221 lbs./4.46u
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RJ Harvey - UCF - 4.41u/4.43u
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TreVeyon Henderson - 4.43u/4.45u
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Jarquez Hunter - Auburn - 4.45u
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Jordan James - Oregon - 4.55u/4.55u
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Kaleb Johnson - Iowa - 4.58u/4.57u
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Montrell Johnson - Florida - 4.42u
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Quinshon Judkins - 4.48u at 221/4.51u
Whoa. He just helped his stock.
Vert 38 1/2"
Broad 11'0"
Whoa again.
Whoa. He just helped his stock.
Vert 38 1/2"
Broad 11'0"
Whoa again.
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Corey Kiner - Cincinnati - 4.58u/4.63u
Woody Marks - USC - 4.56/4.54u
Damien Martinez - Miami - 4.58u/4.51u
Kyle Monangai - Rutgers - 4.62u/4.60u
Devin Neal - Kansas - 4.60u/4.58
Woody Marks - USC - 4.56/4.54u
Damien Martinez - Miami - 4.58u/4.51u
Kyle Monangai - Rutgers - 4.62u/4.60u
Devin Neal - Kansas - 4.60u/4.58
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Raheim Sanders - South Carolina - 4.47u/4.49u
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Breshard Smith - SMU - 4.42u/4.39u
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Bhayshul Tuten - 4.38u/4.32u
Tuten running and jumping out of the gym. So it seems Judkins is. Nothing surprises me about Tuten. This guy moves and pops in highlights.
5'9", 206 for Tuten. 10 second split is 1.49, Vert 40.5", Broad is 10'10"
Marcus Yarns - Delaware - 4.45u/4.48u
Tuten running and jumping out of the gym. So it seems Judkins is. Nothing surprises me about Tuten. This guy moves and pops in highlights.
5'9", 206 for Tuten. 10 second split is 1.49, Vert 40.5", Broad is 10'10"
Marcus Yarns - Delaware - 4.45u/4.48u
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221lbs?
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes. My bad. Edited. I knew that was too heavy. I heard Eisen say it, but I have the volume on low. I clearly misheard him.
rockaction
Footballguy
Great question. Whichever measurement is measuring functional speed; that is, speed relative to other people, and I have no idea which measurement would be better for that. MPH captures you at one moment in time while the forty takes an entire range (points all along the way to the end).
rockaction
Footballguy
HIs false start and subsequent instructions from the person doing the timing about how to place his hands leads me to believe that HE WASN'T PRACTICING HIS FORTY WITH SOMEONE QUALIFIED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OR THE PROGRAM WHICH DRIVES ME NUTS AND JUST COST HIM MILLIONS
Thanks and I don't know for sure but lean MPH as being a better indicator of pure speed. That last line you wrote is spot on but I think the 40 takes more into account like how good you are getting out of a sprinter stance and that's not really relative to an actual football move.
Not sure there is a right or wrong answer.
I'm sure you and others have seen this but in case you have not it's a cool to study that I don't recall seeing in past years: https://www.nfl.com/combine/iq/
One thing I was looking at relative to this question. Tuten hits his top speed right around the 30 yard mark and then basically flat lines. That's different then a lot of the other RB's who are still building speed at the 40 yard line mark. That might be why his MPH is lower, several other RB's are hitting that higher gear at the end of their runs, where Tuten lost most of the MPH ground was between the 30-40 yard lines.
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Footballguy
Have not caught up on today's results, but yesterday they were displaying a split time for the 10 yard mark for the edge rushers. Did they not do the same for today's events?
They are and in the post I made above this I provided a link which shows that info.
Also if you scroll over each player it will show you their MPH the 10, 20, 30 and 40 yard markers.
He did start his run poorly but this goes back to MPH over 40 time where you'd think his max MPH at some point in his run would make up for poor technique. It did not in his case, he still had the second lowest MPH of the RB's and he was not picking up much steam at the end of his run, more like Tuten where he was close to flat lining between the 30-40 yard markers.
This is one of my favorite sleepers. I think he is one of the biggest winners from today.
Biggest winner at RB. He basically tested the same as Henderson but 20-ish pounds heavier. Absolutely put himself in the RB3 conversation after Jeanty/Hampton.
On a day where almost everyone ran well, he laid a bit of an egg. I think he might have fallen to round 3 with this performance. Interesting that he didn't do the jumps.
rockaction
Footballguy
The graded his athleticism on Combine IQ at 74, which is the very top end of average. Interesting. His vert was a 37.5" and his broad was a 10'4" or something like that. For comparison, Skattebo was a 10'3" broad and a 39.5" vert.
Skattebo is who I wanted to see run, but didn't.
rockaction
Footballguy
From highlights he was one of mine until I read every draft capsule that said he could not pass pro for the life of him. Ask Kendre Miller how that translates to getting on the field when healthy.
To be fair, I think the not being healthy has been a much bigger issue than pass pro in Miller's case. Personally, I think Harvey is a better prospect than Miller was. I really disliked Miller when he was coming out. Still blows my mind he went ahead of Achane.
Started delving into this, that new feature from Next Gen Stats is great btw.
My conclusion: if you are measuring long speed MPH is the best indicator and it seems fairly obvious when you look into the numbers. Typically almost every player is hitting their top speed at the end of the run, can't recall one who did not.
This does not mean MPH is better at 40+ yards, it's at minimum better at 30+ yards but sometimes as early as 20+ with respect to measuring deep speed.
Put another way that 20-30 yard area is a little grey with a lot of variance but the 40 yard time generally is a better measurement of how fast a player is from to zero to 20-30 yards and MPH is a better indicator of how fast a player is from 20-30 yards to end.
A few observations:
*Saw Bond catching a lot of flak yesterday for saying he'd beat Worthy's 40 time. Was obviously way off base but he actually came close to matching Worthy's MPH and was the only WR to go over 24 MPH this year and really was head and shoulders aboves the other WR's in this department. To put in perspective the gap between his ending MPH between the second fastest WR was the same gap between the second fastest WR and the eight fastest. I'm not a Bond guy, but he did nothing to disappoint with respect to showing the NFL he has elite deep speed.
*Tuten is an interesting study. Despite the great 40 at no yard marker is the fastest(these are done as 5, 10, 20, 30 and end). He tails off considerably after 30 yards and drops all the way to 7th fastest at the end. If you look at his testing he's elite in his jumps, short shuttle and running 30 yards or less. This all matches up to show he's got tremenous short area explosive abiltiy and speed. That's great of course, means more to me then pure long speed. But that 40 time is probably overrating him as somone the league will view as that guy to take it to the house from a distance. Not all saying he'd be graded low in that department, just saying several other RB's tested better and relative to his 40.
*Raheim Sanders is sort of the opposite of Tuten. 4.46 40 at his size is great for sure so nothing to sneeze at but he's starts off as one of the slowest RBs from 5 yards out and then starts picking up steam and by the 30 yard marker he's the second fastest RB and by the 40 yard market he's dusting everyone.
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