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Ten Most Talented WRs in the NFL (1 Viewer)

Any of about 15 receivers could be in the top 10, and it seems like they are all studs.Does anyone think the number of extremely talented receivers has grown tremendously that past 5 or so years?
I do think that there's a real plethora of good receivers right now. It's a bit cyclical, but receivers are definitely in an up-cycle. So are QBs- you've got Peyton, Brees, Brady, Favre, Warner, Rodgers, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Romo, Palmer, Cutler, Schaub, Ryan, Flacco, and McNabb. That's 15 very good QBs. Not serviceable QBs, or acceptable QBs- legitimate VERY GOOD quarterbacks. Eli, Hasselback, Orton, and Garrard give you four more reliable vets, and Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Henne, and Cassel are all youngsters who have shown a lot of promise. Heck, even guys like Vince Young and Alex Smith who had been written off and left for dead are acquitting themselves rather well right now. That's 24-26 franchises that have to be reasonably happy with their QB situation at the moment. I can't think of another time when the league has been this flush with QBs before.Of course, the flipside is that there is an unbelievable dearth of quality RB talent right now.
 
We do not have nearly enough information to determine if Sidney Rice belongs on this list, therefore he does not.
He has been in the league as long as Calvin, and has missed less games. I don't see where the lack of info exists.
That's a bit misleading. Calvin has started 35 games to Rice's 16 starts. He's played 1,955 NFL snaps to Rice's 1,213 and targeted 267 times to Rice's 136. There's a substantial difference there. That said, Rice belongs on this list.
 
this thread seems like it should be 10 most physically talented. physically Vjax would be top 4barnun. he's Randy with 1/2 the skill level Reggie Wayne's "talent" or skill level trumps everyone else on the list. he can't run/burst/jump like anyone on the list but he's the single most unstoppable WR in the league at this moment. its just not the peyton factor...........the guy is just always open and has shown chris carter hands and sideline/end-zone feel with his feet. his route running/setup moves/zone hole finding/redirection skills are off the charts. and his hands once again are ridiculous. Fitz makes unbelievable catches but mostly they are the body contorting/control/amazingly graceful jump ball kind. Reggie makes the outstretched arms on the fingertips/falling out of bounds type catches look routine.i agree with most of the lists given. guys like Wayne/Welker should be on this list............. i mean if nobody can come close to slowing them down they obviously have incredible talent even tho it may not be in the great combine sense
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this thread seems like it should be 10 most physically talented. physically Vjax would be top 4barnun. he's Randy with 1/2 the skill level

Reggie Wayne's "talent" or skill level trumps everyone else on the list. he can't run/burst/jump like anyone on the list but he's the single most unstoppable WR in the league at this moment. its just not the peyton factor...........the guy is just always open and has shown chris carter hands and sideline/end-zone feel with his feet. his route running/setup moves/zone hole finding/redirection skills are off the charts. and his hands once again are ridiculous. Fitz makes unbelievable catches but mostly they are the body contorting/control/amazingly graceful jump ball kind. Reggie makes the outstretched arms on the fingertips/falling out of bounds type catches look routine.

i agree with most of the lists given. guys like Wayne/Welker should be on this list............. i mean if nobody can come close to slowing them down they obviously have incredible talent even tho it may not be in the great combine sense
How many defensive coordinators do you think approach a game thinking "man, we've just got to shut down Reggie Wayne"? How often do you think Wayne faces double coverages, and how does that compare to Fitz/Moss/Calvin? Defenses don't double Wayne very frequently, because they know that Manning will just go to Clark/Garcon/Collie, instead.Wayne is a very talented WR, but you're getting hyperbolic. Single most unstoppable WR in the league? More like "very good WR who benefits tremendously from playing with arguably the greatest QB in NFL history".
I guarantee every defensive coordinators first order of business is to attempt to shut down Reggie, followed by a close second of containing Dallas Clark....Reggie faces plenty of double coverage, and your example of defenses knowing Peyton could just got to other weapons, doesn't hold up when you are trying to compare to Fitz or Moss, because the same could be same for the defenses vs. a Warner or Brady. You state that Reggie's success is a benefit of having Manning throw him the ball. Do you not think he would be successful in Arizona ,New England, or Detroit (based on your Fitz,Moss,Calvin example)?
 
this thread seems like it should be 10 most physically talented. physically Vjax would be top 4barnun. he's Randy with 1/2 the skill level

Reggie Wayne's "talent" or skill level trumps everyone else on the list. he can't run/burst/jump like anyone on the list but he's the single most unstoppable WR in the league at this moment. its just not the peyton factor...........the guy is just always open and has shown chris carter hands and sideline/end-zone feel with his feet. his route running/setup moves/zone hole finding/redirection skills are off the charts. and his hands once again are ridiculous. Fitz makes unbelievable catches but mostly they are the body contorting/control/amazingly graceful jump ball kind. Reggie makes the outstretched arms on the fingertips/falling out of bounds type catches look routine.

i agree with most of the lists given. guys like Wayne/Welker should be on this list............. i mean if nobody can come close to slowing them down they obviously have incredible talent even tho it may not be in the great combine sense
How many defensive coordinators do you think approach a game thinking "man, we've just got to shut down Reggie Wayne"? How often do you think Wayne faces double coverages, and how does that compare to Fitz/Moss/Calvin? Defenses don't double Wayne very frequently, because they know that Manning will just go to Clark/Garcon/Collie, instead.Wayne is a very talented WR, but you're getting hyperbolic. Single most unstoppable WR in the league? More like "very good WR who benefits tremendously from playing with arguably the greatest QB in NFL history".
I guarantee every defensive coordinators first order of business is to attempt to shut down Reggie, followed by a close second of containing Dallas Clark....Reggie faces plenty of double coverage, and your example of defenses knowing Peyton could just got to other weapons, doesn't hold up when you are trying to compare to Fitz or Moss, because the same could be same for the defenses vs. a Warner or Brady. You state that Reggie's success is a benefit of having Manning throw him the ball. Do you not think he would be successful in Arizona ,New England, or Detroit (based on your Fitz,Moss,Calvin example)?
Successful, yes, but certainly not as successful.
 
1. Fitz

2. AJ

3. Calvin

4. VJax

5. Randy

6. Ocho

7. Marshall

8. Steve Smith (Carolina)

9. Wayne

10. Sidney Rice

 
It's about as unsexy a pick as you can get but I'd find a space for Hines Ward in the top 10 - he brings a lot to the table in toughness, leadership and blocking - he can throw the ball as well.

1. Larry Fitz

2. Reggie Wayne

3. Calvin Johnson

4. Andre Johnson

5. Randy Moss

6. Hines Ward

7. Vincent Jackson

8. Steve Smith

9. Wes Welker

10. Marques Colston

 
I guarantee every defensive coordinators first order of business is to attempt to shut down Reggie, followed by a close second of containing Dallas Clark....Reggie faces plenty of double coverage, and your example of defenses knowing Peyton could just got to other weapons, doesn't hold up when you are trying to compare to Fitz or Moss, because the same could be same for the defenses vs. a Warner or Brady. You state that Reggie's success is a benefit of having Manning throw him the ball. Do you not think he would be successful in Arizona ,New England, or Detroit (based on your Fitz,Moss,Calvin example)?

Of course Reggie Wayne would be successful in New England or Arizona. Those are some of the best passing offenses in the NFL, and Wayne is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Any halfway decent WR will look good with a hall of famer throwing it to him, and Wayne is much better than merely halfway decent. The real question is whether Wayne would be successful with Josh McCown or John Navarre or Matt Leinart (guys who Fitzgerald has caught a ton of passes from), or with Dan Orlovsky, Jon Kitna, and Daunte Culpepper (the three starters on Detroit last year when Calvin had 1300/12), or with David Carr (who Andre Johnson caught 103 balls from), or with Jake Delhomme (who Smiff averaged 100 yards per game with for four consecutive seasons). I think he'd be successful, but nowhere NEAR as successful. If not for Peyton Manning, I don't think anyone would be talking about Reggie Wayne as a top 5 NFL WR.
 
Does Sidney Rice really even belong in the discussion? He's talented sure, but I don't think I'd put him near the top 10 yet. Seems to me like Favre is driving up his value right now...
He isn't even close to top 10...If you put this list out week 1, he wouldn't even be Top 40
 
You pretty much hit it. He can make catches very few players can make. He has amazing athleticism for a player his size. His problem is hands, more specifically concentration, which isn't really a talent issue. In a vacuum, Edwards is one of the ten most talented WRs in the league - the criteria was ability to make jawdropping plays, and Edwards is one of the best at that.
We disagree here. The ability to concentrate each play is a talent (IMO). Perhaps it's a mental talent, but it directly affects his play and value to a team. Fitz

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Randy Moss

Marshall

Crabtree

Steve Smith

Vincent Jackson

DeSean

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Hines Ward

Boldin

 
Good stuff fellas...

I figured I'd get some flak for keeping Wayne out of the top 10. Don't get me wrong, he's a helluva WR, but I just don't think he compares with the top dogs from a pure talent perspective. I know many feel differently, and certainly compelling cases have been made for him, but I still feel that he is on the outside of the top 10.

Many have said Fitz should be #1, and really, I can't argue with you. The way I see it, the top 4 are pretty much agreed upon across the board. As long as a list has Fitz, Moss, Calvin, AJ in the top 4, I'll agree with it, regardless of the order, which for all intents and purposes is arbitrary.

With regards to Sidney Rice, I agree that it is too early to put him in the top 10, but I've seen enough from him to know that he is a legitimate talent and it's not just the Favre factor. I guess you could say I've seen even less of Harvin, so why is he in my top 10 while Rice merely gets HR, and it's a valid question. I don't really have a good answer. Harvin was a gut pick - what I see when I watch him is a very special talent, and he is going to get much better as his experience in the league grows.

As for Boldin, honestly I believe that, at his best, he is easily a top 10 talent at the position, but we haven't seen his best for a while, and he has to be able to stay on the field to really be in the discussion with the other guys in my top 10. Thus, he is in my honorable mention.

On Greg Jennings, I am a huge fan - I think he is a terrific WR and I do believe that his numbers this year are misleading with regard to his true abilities, but even at his best, I don't think, from a pure talent standpoint, he is on the level of the other WR's I've mentioned.

Crabtree, I have no doubt that given time, he will probably be a lock for inclusion in a list like this, but I just haven't seen enough of him to warrant including him just yet.

In any case, keep it coming...

 
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I guess you could say I've seen even less of Harvin, so why is he in my top 10, and it's a valid question. I don't really have a good answer. Harvin was a gut pick - what I see when I watch him is a very special talent, and he is going to get much better as his experience in the league grows.
The one thing that I've come away with while watching Harvin is that I see no fear in this kid. He seems to be in the middle of the field all the time and has taken some serious shots. Yet, there he is again the next play, in the middle of the field. With his skill-set, that will go a long way if his body can hold up to the abuse.
 
I also agree with what others have said about the abundance of WR talent in the league right now. It's pretty insane, really. I have to say that as a fan, I love it. And as SSOG said, with all of the great/good QB's in the league, it makes it that much better. Definitely a Golden Age for the passing game.

With regards to the RB talent being somewhat depleted, I suppose it's true, but the guys at the top more than make up for the lack of depth at the position. In ADP, MJD, and CJ, I think we could be watching 3 future HOFers - with SJax, possibly 4. Obviously LT is on the downslope, but he's a sure bet to get in on the first ballot.

 
I guess you could say I've seen even less of Harvin, so why is he in my top 10, and it's a valid question. I don't really have a good answer. Harvin was a gut pick - what I see when I watch him is a very special talent, and he is going to get much better as his experience in the league grows.
The one thing that I've come away with while watching Harvin is that I see no fear in this kid. He seems to be in the middle of the field all the time and has taken some serious shots. Yet, there he is again the next play, in the middle of the field. With his skill-set, that will go a long way if his body can hold up to the abuse.
Agree completely. There are two plays, I think, that really sold me on Harvin as a special WR. We all know he has the blazing speed and the open field abilities. But I recall these two plays where he was in traffic in the deep middle of the field and Favre threw it up to him. Harvin is not a tall guy, but he went up and got both balls with relative ease despite being draped by defenders, and one of these balls he took the distance. On top of those plays, he has already proven to be a very good red zone threat, and I'm not sure many of us saw that coming. The guy is the full package and he is just starting the scratch the surface of what he can do. We haven't even seen him and Favre connect on many deep routes yet, but given his speed, I'm sure those plays will come. He can score and make plays in so many ways - I am truly in awe of his talent and as I've said, it's scary to imagine just how could he can, and most likely will, be.
 
The key to this discussion for me is it's not all about production. Its about talent. Therefore a rookie can be every bit as talented as a 10 year vet, and placed in the same list.

1. Randy Moss. He will probably go down as the 2nd best WR to play the game when he retires. May not be the most well rounded WR ever, but he's so exceptional at the deep ball he's my #1.

2. Larry Fitzgerald. Read SSOG's post for all you need to know here.

3. Steve Smith. In my book this guy is an awesome talent. He's one of the few WRs that actually matches his ability with his drive to succeed.

4. Andre Johnson. Beast mode does fit here.

5. Calvin Johnson. Lets hope he doesn't become Lionized.

6. Chad Ochocinco The speed at with which he can make his precise cuts keeps him here in my book.

7. Michael Crabtree. Everything he's done so far is totally on raw ability, and if you've seen some of the catches (or near catches) that he's made, you'll agree with this spot for him.

8. Sidney Rice. The acrobatics are impressive.

9. Brandon Marshall. If he just didn't have a 2 cent head.

10. DeSean Jackson. Game isn't fully rounded out and may not ever be. He is so deadly with the ball its shocking what he's done so far.

 
#1 with a bullet- Larry Fitzgerald.

An NFL WR's job description is very simple- there are really only two requirements. The first is "get open", and the second is "catch the ball". Larry Fitzgerald is the best WR in the league at getting open. He runs the sharpest, most precise routes in the league, and he has the size/strength/speed/leaping ability to physically outclass any defender unlucky enough to draw him in coverage. Larry Fitzgerald is also the best WR in the league at catching the ball. He's the quickest I've seen at finding and recognizing the ball in flight, he consistently maintains focus until the ball is in his hands, and he's a prototypical hands-catcher (even more, a fingertips-catcher). He might not provide the sexy plays of a Moss, Calvin, or Andre, but nobody in the league today gets the job done better.
Couldn't have put it better myself. He has all the tools and is as close to the perfect WR as you can get IMHO.
 
1a. AJ

1b. Fitz

Both can do it all. Go over the middle, go grab the ball at its highest point, run great routes etc... Could go either or for top spot, but I feel AJ is a little better all around

3. Randy Moss - So sick how he gets open deep often... Top 3 receiver all time

4. Calvin - Obv weak season so far, and injuries are a prob, but as far as Talent wise, he may be the most physically gifted in the league. A little more time with the Rook under center, I think Stafford to Calvin will be around for a long time.

5. Vincent Jackson - Nice to see him break out this year. Tall, fast, etc... he will be a household name in a year.

6. Steve Smith - When you think of #1 receiver, Steve doesnt fit the mold, but sure performs like one. For his size, he just constantly outperforms the defense to put up the stats. Too bad Delhomme is playing like complete ### this year, he has been one of the steadiest receivers over the last few years.

7. Marshall - Sick last few years, physical beast.

8. Ocho - Best route runner in the league imo... Last year may have made people forget he has been one of the best over the last few years.

9. Boldin - funny how before the playoffs and before he got hurt last year, there were many people who believed Boldin was the best receiver in Zona. Just a physical receiver who is not afraid to go through the middle to catch passes.

10. Wayne - No Harrison, no problem. Just a consistent receiver through and through.

 
#1 with a bullet- Larry Fitzgerald.

An NFL WR's job description is very simple- there are really only two requirements. The first is "get open", and the second is "catch the ball". Larry Fitzgerald is the best WR in the league at getting open. He runs the sharpest, most precise routes in the league, and he has the size/strength/speed/leaping ability to physically outclass any defender unlucky enough to draw him in coverage. Larry Fitzgerald is also the best WR in the league at catching the ball. He's the quickest I've seen at finding and recognizing the ball in flight, he consistently maintains focus until the ball is in his hands, and he's a prototypical hands-catcher (even more, a fingertips-catcher). He might not provide the sexy plays of a Moss, Calvin, or Andre, but nobody in the league today gets the job done better.
Couldn't have put it better myself. He has all the tools and is as close to the perfect WR as you can get IMHO.
I love Fitz, but I'd put Wayne's highlight reel up against anyone currently playing. He makes ridiculous catches, he runs amazing routes, and then he gets discredited because he plays with Peyton Manning. I remember the same arguments being used against Harrison. It's laughable.Fitz is playing with one of the greatest QBs of this era in a pass-happy offense. He is tremendous, but to just blindly say he is the best route runner with the best hands is doing a disservice to several WRs currently playing.

Rant over. :)

 
I guarantee every defensive coordinators first order of business is to attempt to shut down Reggie, followed by a close second of containing Dallas Clark....Reggie faces plenty of double coverage, and your example of defenses knowing Peyton could just got to other weapons, doesn't hold up when you are trying to compare to Fitz or Moss, because the same could be same for the defenses vs. a Warner or Brady. You state that Reggie's success is a benefit of having Manning throw him the ball. Do you not think he would be successful in Arizona ,New England, or Detroit (based on your Fitz,Moss,Calvin example)?

He would be as or more successful as the ones you just mentioned....you just said earlier Peyton spreads it around to Clark/Collie/Garcon.....you can't have it both ways....Carr would have locked into Reggie the same way he did AJ, Delhomme would have locked into Reggie the same way he does Smith, and the Detroit flavors of the month would have locked into Reggie the same way they do Calvin. As far as Fitz goes I will give you success with Warner and will even throw in credit with McCown, but didn't he only have one game with Navarre?, and I only recall one great game with Leinart ( vs. Minnesota a few years back).
 
1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. Randy Moss

3. Andre Johnson

4. Calvin Johnson

5. Steve Smith

6. Anquan Boldin

7. Vincent Jackson

8. Marques Colston

9. Chad Ochocinco

10. Roddy White

 
I love Fitz, but I'd put Wayne's highlight reel up against anyone currently playing. He makes ridiculous catches, he runs amazing routes, and then he gets discredited because he plays with Peyton Manning. I remember the same arguments being used against Harrison. It's laughable.

Fitz is playing with one of the greatest QBs of this era in a pass-happy offense. He is tremendous, but to just blindly say he is the best route runner with the best hands is doing a disservice to several WRs currently playing.

Rant over. :tfp:
Marvin Harrison? You're invoking Marvin Harrison, here? Do you honestly believe that Reggie Wayne is in Marvin Harrison's class as a receiver? Here's a simple comparison that says it all for me- Randy Moss was clearly in Harrison's class. Larry Fitzgerald is clearly in Randy Moss's class. Reggie Wayne was clearly not in Harrison's class. Therefore, Reggie Wayne is clearly not in Fitzgerald's class. See how easy that was?Also, who said I was blindly saying that Fitzgerald was the best route runner with the best hands? What's blind about watching the games and reaching a decision on my own. Do you think I've got some secret bias against Colts, or some secret love of the Cardinals? We've got an obviously biased observer accusing a neutral third party of blind favoritism, here. Now I've really seen it all.

He would be as or more successful as the ones you just mentioned....you just said earlier Peyton spreads it around to Clark/Collie/Garcon.....you can't have it both ways....Carr would have locked into Reggie the same way he did AJ, Delhomme would have locked into Reggie the same way he does Smith, and the Detroit flavors of the month would have locked into Reggie the same way they do Calvin. As far as Fitz goes I will give you success with Warner and will even throw in credit with McCown, but didn't he only have one game with Navarre?, and I only recall one great game with Leinart ( vs. Minnesota a few years back).
Yes, Carr/Delhomme/etc would lock on to Wayne. My point is that I don't think he could shoulder the load like AJ/Calvin/Fitz/Moss/Smiff can, or like his former teammate Harrison could before Wayne hit the scene. Wayne would undoubtedly enjoy the increase in targets, but I don't think he'd deal as well with the increased defensive attention, and his numbers would certainly go down. He'd probably wind up producing less like the Fitzgerald/Johnson/Johnson's of the world and more like the White/Colston/Boldins of the world. Which is incredibly fitting, since those guys are a much closer match for Wayne's talent level.
 
I'm not asking for your top 10 FF WR's, or the ten most productive WR's. I'm asking for the top ten most talented WRs, the players who have the talent to make plays that make your jaw drop.My list:1. Moss - even at 32, he is still the most freakishly gifted WR in the NFL2. Calvin - this guy's talent is through the roof - size, strength, speed, leaping ability - he has it all, but still waiting for him to put it all together3. Fitz - not a burner, but has a bigger catch radius than anyone perhaps in NFL history; great ball skills and body control, strength, and the surest hands in the NFL4 AJ - a little bit of Fitz, a little bit of Calvin; was tempted to put him ahead of Fitz, but what Fitz does better, he does a lot better, and this is not a knock on AJ - just a testament to how good Fitz is5. Marshall - this might seem a little high, but Marshall is a beast; decent speed, amazing leaping ability, size, strength, and ball skills, and incredible YAC ability6. Steve Smith (Car) - still among the elite when it comes to pure talent; incredibly strong for his size, great hands, speed, and ball skills and incredibly dangerous after the catch7. Desean Jackson - freakishly fast, sure handed, and as dangerous in the open field as anyone in the league8. Percy Harvin - I know it's early, but I've seen enough of this kid to know that his talent is immense; a lot like Smith, incredibly fast, deceptively strong for his size, great ball skills and very dangerous in the open field; he's still developing, it's scary to imagine how good this kid will be9. VJax - big, fast, and strong; a fantastic deep threat and a great red zone option; a bit of a cross between Fitz and AJ, albeit not in either of their leagues... yet10. Colston - I think this guy's talent is incredibly underrated; not a burner, but like Fitz has an amazing catch radius; fantasy leaping ability and ball skills and has a knack for the endzoneHonorable Mention: Ocho Cinco, Wayne, Roddy White, Boldin, Sidney RiceI'm sure many (most?) will disagree. So, tear my list apart, list yours, let's get the debate rolling...
Wayne at 7.Boldin at 8.
 
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I love Fitz, but I'd put Wayne's highlight reel up against anyone currently playing. He makes ridiculous catches, he runs amazing routes, and then he gets discredited because he plays with Peyton Manning. I remember the same arguments being used against Harrison. It's laughable.

Fitz is playing with one of the greatest QBs of this era in a pass-happy offense. He is tremendous, but to just blindly say he is the best route runner with the best hands is doing a disservice to several WRs currently playing.

Rant over. :)
Marvin Harrison? You're invoking Marvin Harrison, here? Do you honestly believe that Reggie Wayne is in Marvin Harrison's class as a receiver? Here's a simple comparison that says it all for me- Randy Moss was clearly in Harrison's class. Larry Fitzgerald is clearly in Randy Moss's class. Reggie Wayne was clearly not in Harrison's class. Therefore, Reggie Wayne is clearly not in Fitzgerald's class. See how easy that was?Also, who said I was blindly saying that Fitzgerald was the best route runner with the best hands? What's blind about watching the games and reaching a decision on my own. Do you think I've got some secret bias against Colts, or some secret love of the Cardinals? We've got an obviously biased observer accusing a neutral third party of blind favoritism, here. Now I've really seen it all.

He would be as or more successful as the ones you just mentioned....you just said earlier Peyton spreads it around to Clark/Collie/Garcon.....you can't have it both ways....Carr would have locked into Reggie the same way he did AJ, Delhomme would have locked into Reggie the same way he does Smith, and the Detroit flavors of the month would have locked into Reggie the same way they do Calvin. As far as Fitz goes I will give you success with Warner and will even throw in credit with McCown, but didn't he only have one game with Navarre?, and I only recall one great game with Leinart ( vs. Minnesota a few years back).
Yes, Carr/Delhomme/etc would lock on to Wayne. My point is that I don't think he could shoulder the load like AJ/Calvin/Fitz/Moss/Smiff can, or like his former teammate Harrison could before Wayne hit the scene. Wayne would undoubtedly enjoy the increase in targets, but I don't think he'd deal as well with the increased defensive attention, and his numbers would certainly go down. He'd probably wind up producing less like the Fitzgerald/Johnson/Johnson's of the world and more like the White/Colston/Boldins of the world. Which is incredibly fitting, since those guys are a much closer match for Wayne's talent level.
What is this class you speak of? Do things like YPC mean anything to you? You do realize that Harrison played most of his career without Wayne there to take away catches. Wayne's #s will have gone up after this season without Harrison there as well.What makes Harrison in a different class in your opinion? Is it yards? TDs? YPC?

You do realize that Wayne has a better career YPC than both Harrison and Fitz, right?

Also, since Wayne has become a full time starter, he has averaged 8TDs/yr while Fits has averaged 9/yr.

Wayne is shouldering the load without Harrison this year, which will end up his finest of his career thus far.

How about we compare single best seasons between Wayne and Fitz?

Catches- Wayne 104 Fitz 103

Yards- Wayne 1510 Fitz 1431

TDs- Wayne 12 Fitz 12

YPC- Wayne 15.7 Fitz 14.9

What other meaningful stats would you want to compare to show that Wayne is not in Fitz's class?

And while the "blindly comparing" comment wasn't directed at you I feel it applies based on these comparisons even though you have watched the games and apparently I haven't. That, and I'm a blind homer. :rolleyes:

Finally, Fitz hasn't had to shoulder the load in any of his years. He's had Boldin there his entire career. He plays in an offense that is at least equal in pass/run % to the Colts.

He has played on bad teams which means more passing, so even though Warner wasn't there, he was getting more targets.

While I may be a homer, I fail to see where Fitz is head and shoulders above Wayne in any category other than jump ball receptions. I'll give him that. And all of this is said with me already acknowledging that I love Fitz as a player, Colts homer or not.

 
I love Fitz, but I'd put Wayne's highlight reel up against anyone currently playing. He makes ridiculous catches, he runs amazing routes, and then he gets discredited because he plays with Peyton Manning. I remember the same arguments being used against Harrison. It's laughable.

Fitz is playing with one of the greatest QBs of this era in a pass-happy offense. He is tremendous, but to just blindly say he is the best route runner with the best hands is doing a disservice to several WRs currently playing.

Rant over. :)
Marvin Harrison? You're invoking Marvin Harrison, here? Do you honestly believe that Reggie Wayne is in Marvin Harrison's class as a receiver? Here's a simple comparison that says it all for me- Randy Moss was clearly in Harrison's class. Larry Fitzgerald is clearly in Randy Moss's class. Reggie Wayne was clearly not in Harrison's class. Therefore, Reggie Wayne is clearly not in Fitzgerald's class. See how easy that was?Also, who said I was blindly saying that Fitzgerald was the best route runner with the best hands? What's blind about watching the games and reaching a decision on my own. Do you think I've got some secret bias against Colts, or some secret love of the Cardinals? We've got an obviously biased observer accusing a neutral third party of blind favoritism, here. Now I've really seen it all.

He would be as or more successful as the ones you just mentioned....you just said earlier Peyton spreads it around to Clark/Collie/Garcon.....you can't have it both ways....Carr would have locked into Reggie the same way he did AJ, Delhomme would have locked into Reggie the same way he does Smith, and the Detroit flavors of the month would have locked into Reggie the same way they do Calvin. As far as Fitz goes I will give you success with Warner and will even throw in credit with McCown, but didn't he only have one game with Navarre?, and I only recall one great game with Leinart ( vs. Minnesota a few years back).
Yes, Carr/Delhomme/etc would lock on to Wayne. My point is that I don't think he could shoulder the load like AJ/Calvin/Fitz/Moss/Smiff can, or like his former teammate Harrison could before Wayne hit the scene. Wayne would undoubtedly enjoy the increase in targets, but I don't think he'd deal as well with the increased defensive attention, and his numbers would certainly go down. He'd probably wind up producing less like the Fitzgerald/Johnson/Johnson's of the world and more like the White/Colston/Boldins of the world. Which is incredibly fitting, since those guys are a much closer match for Wayne's talent level.
What is this class you speak of? Do things like YPC mean anything to you? You do realize that Harrison played most of his career without Wayne there to take away catches. Wayne's #s will have gone up after this season without Harrison there as well.What makes Harrison in a different class in your opinion? Is it yards? TDs? YPC?

You do realize that Wayne has a better career YPC than both Harrison and Fitz, right?

Also, since Wayne has become a full time starter, he has averaged 8TDs/yr while Fits has averaged 9/yr.

Wayne is shouldering the load without Harrison this year, which will end up his finest of his career thus far.

How about we compare single best seasons between Wayne and Fitz?

Catches- Wayne 104 Fitz 103

Yards- Wayne 1510 Fitz 1431

TDs- Wayne 12 Fitz 12

YPC- Wayne 15.7 Fitz 14.9

What other meaningful stats would you want to compare to show that Wayne is not in Fitz's class?

And while the "blindly comparing" comment wasn't directed at you I feel it applies based on these comparisons even though you have watched the games and apparently I haven't. That, and I'm a blind homer. :rolleyes:

Finally, Fitz hasn't had to shoulder the load in any of his years. He's had Boldin there his entire career. He plays in an offense that is at least equal in pass/run % to the Colts.

He has played on bad teams which means more passing, so even though Warner wasn't there, he was getting more targets.

While I may be a homer, I fail to see where Fitz is head and shoulders above Wayne in any category other than jump ball receptions. I'll give him that. And all of this is said with me already acknowledging that I love Fitz as a player, Colts homer or not.
You make good points based on stats, but the times I've seen either Wayne or Fitz play tell me (admittedly an untrained observer of this sport) that Fitz has more talent or at least has shown more, it's just what I and apparently most people, see. FTR, I'll take Peyton Manning over Warner any day. He helps Wayne's stats more than Warner helps Fitz. The QB difference is one reason comparing stats is always difficult. Let's see Wayne be as successful without Peyton. It's the same reason Colston is one of the more successful WRs despite IMO being just a tad less talented than the top 10.

 
There will always be a bias because of P. Manning's involvement. 95%would likely take Manning over Warner, but that doesn't mean Warner isn't an excellent passing QB. He was a Super Bowl MVP and likely HOFer.

 
For me, the luster has worn off VJax given his inability to break double coverage this year. It seems defensive coordinators are having a lot of success taking him out of the game. The same can't be said of Wayne, Fitzgerald, AJ and other elites on this list.

I'm shocked to see Harvin's name show up on a couple of lists. He's my rookie keeper but we haven't seen near enough to rate him in with this group.

 
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There will always be a bias because of P. Manning's involvement. 95%would likely take Manning over Warner, but that doesn't mean Warner isn't an excellent passing QB. He was a Super Bowl MVP and likely HOFer.
Yes, Kurt Warner is a very good QB. However, Peyton Manning is the greatest QB ever at recognizing coverages and taking advantage of them. Plus, no one is saying Reggie Wayne isn't talented. It would be moronic to say so. They are saying that he isn't as talented as Fitzgerald which isn't a big statement considering Fitz is most likely in everyone's top 3. Most rational people would put Wayne in their top 10 just outside the top 5. Considering the talent currently playing WR in this league that's a HUGE compliment.Plus, when you get to this level of talent you can't really use stats. Judging talent is more of an eye test and most would agree you need the stats to back it up. However, when you have 15 receivers with the stats to back it up then ranking them is a matter of preference and, once again, the eye test.
 
These are not terrible lists, and lots of good debate around the bottom half of the top-10.

The two I think are being over-rated right now are Colston and Harvin. Now that some of the younger receivers have developed in NO, I think we are seeing Colston for what he is - a very good possession receiver. I think he is comparable to TJ Houshmandzadeh - which is still very good, but not an elite WR.

Harvin is really a smaller version of Reggie Bush, albeit being used in the right position in the NFL. Long-term I don't think he will hold up as an "elite" WR. Once he loses his speed, I don't think he will have much to fall back on. He, more than Rice, is the beneficiary of an offense where the defense cannot focus on him this year. LBs have to stay keyed on Peterson, and worry about the TE, DBs already have Rice and Berrian to contend with, which leaves Harvin in advantageous situations. Kudos for the Vikings for putting him in positions to be successful, but in a different situation he would be Peter Warwick.

 
pizzatyme said:
this thread seems like it should be 10 most physically talented. physically Vjax would be top 4barnun. he's Randy with 1/2 the skill level Reggie Wayne's "talent" or skill level trumps everyone else on the list. he can't run/burst/jump like anyone on the list but he's the single most unstoppable WR in the league at this moment. its just not the peyton factor...........the guy is just always open and has shown chris carter hands and sideline/end-zone feel with his feet. his route running/setup moves/zone hole finding/redirection skills are off the charts. and his hands once again are ridiculous. Fitz makes unbelievable catches but mostly they are the body contorting/control/amazingly graceful jump ball kind. Reggie makes the outstretched arms on the fingertips/falling out of bounds type catches look routine.i agree with most of the lists given. guys like Wayne/Welker should be on this list............. i mean if nobody can come close to slowing them down they obviously have incredible talent even tho it may not be in the great combine sense
very :thumbdown: :goodposting: :goodposting:
Reggie Wayne=Most Underrated NFL Receiver.
 
I like Rice but he's in the absolutely perfect situation right now. Nearly all of those wr's on the list are the focal points to their offense and are constantly doubled, Rice faces single coverage all day long. He's a good talent no doubt but if his situation weren't so perfect he wouldn't even be close to this list. Bowe is only on a few peoples lists and while this year has been a total washout for him he's certainly right around the 9-12 spot IMO.

 
These are not terrible lists, and lots of good debate around the bottom half of the top-10.The two I think are being over-rated right now are Colston and Harvin. Now that some of the younger receivers have developed in NO, I think we are seeing Colston for what he is - a very good possession receiver. I think he is comparable to TJ Houshmandzadeh - which is still very good, but not an elite WR.Harvin is really a smaller version of Reggie Bush, albeit being used in the right position in the NFL. Long-term I don't think he will hold up as an "elite" WR. Once he loses his speed, I don't think he will have much to fall back on. He, more than Rice, is the beneficiary of an offense where the defense cannot focus on him this year. LBs have to stay keyed on Peterson, and worry about the TE, DBs already have Rice and Berrian to contend with, which leaves Harvin in advantageous situations. Kudos for the Vikings for putting him in positions to be successful, but in a different situation he would be Peter Warwick.
I assume you mean Peter Warrick the former Bengals bust.I recomend you watch Harvin some more. He makes very difficult catches at times and is so strong once he gets the ball. I have seen defensive backs just get trucked by him with their weak tackles. He runs like a RB once he has the ball not like Reggie Bush. Harvin can run over you. He is not smaller than Bush and Bush cannot run inside with power. Harvin can.Harvin is so much faster than Warrick ever was it's not funny and his hands are actualy pretty good. Favre keeps throwing it at his head but he usualy catches it with his hands. When Favre leads him decently Harvin is really hard to stop.
 
encaitar said:
pizzatyme said:
There will always be a bias because of P. Manning's involvement. 95%would likely take Manning over Warner, but that doesn't mean Warner isn't an excellent passing QB. He was a Super Bowl MVP and likely HOFer.
Yes, Kurt Warner is a very good QB. However, Peyton Manning is the greatest QB ever at recognizing coverages and taking advantage of them. Plus, no one is saying Reggie Wayne isn't talented. It would be moronic to say so. They are saying that he isn't as talented as Fitzgerald which isn't a big statement considering Fitz is most likely in everyone's top 3. Most rational people would put Wayne in their top 10 just outside the top 5. Considering the talent currently playing WR in this league that's a HUGE compliment.Plus, when you get to this level of talent you can't really use stats. Judging talent is more of an eye test and most would agree you need the stats to back it up. However, when you have 15 receivers with the stats to back it up then ranking them is a matter of preference and, once again, the eye test.
I can certainly see adding Wayne in the group that I currently have as my 2nd tier:Marshall

Crabtree

Steve Smith

Vincent Jackson

DeSean

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I just didn't, maybe because he hasn't overwhelmed me with his talent, he's a guy who consistently does well and has the best QB arguably to ever play the game, these 6 have either shown groundbreaking talent at some point or I'm just enamored with. Wayne is certainly underrated.

Hines and Boldin I added as tier 3 because their talent seems underappreciated by many and their talent isn't what we usually see.

 
Bush - Height: 6-0 Weight: 203

Harvin - Height: 5-11 Weight: 184

I'd say that makes Harvin smaller than Bush.

:thumbdown: I don't ever see Harvin as a #1 guy in the NFL - hard to put someone like that in the top-10.

 
Bush - Height: 6-0 Weight: 203

Harvin - Height: 5-11 Weight: 184

I'd say that makes Harvin smaller than Bush.

;) I don't ever see Harvin as a #1 guy in the NFL - hard to put someone like that in the top-10.
That is what NFL.com says however as a rookie prospect he was listed at 192 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/percy-harvin?id=80425 but to be honest I think he is playing at around 200-205.That is not really what is important however. It is the way he runs. He is not just a jitterbug who can make defenders miss. He can break tackles running with power too.

He is the best reciever on the Vikings roster w respect to Rice and Berrian but when Harvin has as much experience as them he will outshine them imho. I also see Harvin taking over much of the screen game moving forward. So some of the looks that Chester Taylor gets now on 3rd down will become a Harvin play if Chester is not re-signed.

Harvin is not Devin Hester. He can catch the ball.

 
What is this class you speak of? Do things like YPC mean anything to you? You do realize that Harrison played most of his career without Wayne there to take away catches. Wayne's #s will have gone up after this season without Harrison there as well.What makes Harrison in a different class in your opinion? Is it yards? TDs? YPC?You do realize that Wayne has a better career YPC than both Harrison and Fitz, right? Also, since Wayne has become a full time starter, he has averaged 8TDs/yr while Fits has averaged 9/yr.Wayne is shouldering the load without Harrison this year, which will end up his finest of his career thus far.How about we compare single best seasons between Wayne and Fitz?Catches- Wayne 104 Fitz 103Yards- Wayne 1510 Fitz 1431TDs- Wayne 12 Fitz 12YPC- Wayne 15.7 Fitz 14.9What other meaningful stats would you want to compare to show that Wayne is not in Fitz's class?And while the "blindly comparing" comment wasn't directed at you I feel it applies based on these comparisons even though you have watched the games and apparently I haven't. That, and I'm a blind homer. :yes:Finally, Fitz hasn't had to shoulder the load in any of his years. He's had Boldin there his entire career. He plays in an offense that is at least equal in pass/run % to the Colts.He has played on bad teams which means more passing, so even though Warner wasn't there, he was getting more targets.While I may be a homer, I fail to see where Fitz is head and shoulders above Wayne in any category other than jump ball receptions. I'll give him that. And all of this is said with me already acknowledging that I love Fitz as a player, Colts homer or not.
No, YPC doesn't mean anything to me in a vaccuum. Ashley Lelie and Devery Henderson have YPCs that put Wayne and Harrison to shame. YPT is a much better metric, although that has to be taken in context, too. Still, any comparison that suggests that Wayne is as good of a receiver as Harrison is dumb, because we KNOW Wayne wasn't as good as Harrison. We know this because Harrison was the #1 WR in Indy, facing tougher defensive coverages and getting more targets anyway.Comparing the single season bests between Fitz and Wayne is also stupid. You're combining Wayne's '04 TD total with his '07 yardage total. Obviously any piecemeal comparison is going to favor the guy who has been around longer, since he's had more chances to have a good season. If you look at seasons as a whole, Wayne has topped 200 fantasy points once in 8 years (13%), while Fitz has done it three times in 5 years (60%). And, this cannot be stressed enough, but Wayne has posted those inferior stats despite playing in a radically superior situation. Every single season of his career, Wayne has played every game with Peyton Manning. In 2007, Fitz played 11 games with Warner and 5 games with Leinart, and he still put up 1400/10. In 2005, Josh McCown and John Navarre accounted for 44% of Arizona's pass attempts, and while Warner accounted for the other 56%, it was the 2005 Kurt Warner (the guy who was playing for his 3rd team in 3 years and who nobody really wanted). Fitzgerald still put up 1400/10. Those are stats that show that Reggie Wayne isn't in Fitzgerald's class. Wayne has topped 1250 yards twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it more times in 3 fewer seasons. Reggie Wayne has hit double digit TDs twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it one more time in three fewer years.Beyond the statistics, Fitz makes crisper cuts, does a better job of selling and setting up his routes, has a wider catch radius, and is more physically dominant. He excels against tougher coverages. In Wayne's defense, he does have perhaps the best body control in the league, which leads to some absolutely ridiculous side-line catches. That one advantage isn't enough, in my mind, to overcome all of Fitz's advantages.
For me, the luster has worn off VJax given his inability to break double coverage this year. It seems defensive coordinators are having a lot of success taking him out of the game. The same can't be said of Wayne, Fitzgerald, AJ and other elites on this list.I'm shocked to see Harvin's name show up on a couple of lists. He's my rookie keeper but we haven't seen near enough to rate him in with this group.
From what I've seen, it's not that VJax can't break double coverages, it's that Rivers sees no reason to go to a double-covered VJax while Gates is running free in the middle of the field.
 
Comparing the single season bests between Fitz and Wayne is also stupid. You're combining Wayne's '04 TD total with his '07 yardage total. Obviously any piecemeal comparison is going to favor the guy who has been around longer, since he's had more chances to have a good season. If you look at seasons as a whole, Wayne has topped 200 fantasy points once in 8 years (13%), while Fitz has done it three times in 5 years (60%). And, this cannot be stressed enough, but Wayne has posted those inferior stats despite playing in a radically superior situation. Every single season of his career, Wayne has played every game with Peyton Manning. In 2007, Fitz played 11 games with Warner and 5 games with Leinart, and he still put up 1400/10. In 2005, Josh McCown and John Navarre accounted for 44% of Arizona's pass attempts, and while Warner accounted for the other 56%, it was the 2005 Kurt Warner (the guy who was playing for his 3rd team in 3 years and who nobody really wanted). Fitzgerald still put up 1400/10. Those are stats that show that Reggie Wayne isn't in Fitzgerald's class. Wayne has topped 1250 yards twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it more times in 3 fewer seasons. Reggie Wayne has hit double digit TDs twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it one more time in three fewer years.
In his defense, he was second fiddle to one of the best WRs in this era until the last 3 years.
 
Comparing the single season bests between Fitz and Wayne is also stupid. You're combining Wayne's '04 TD total with his '07 yardage total. Obviously any piecemeal comparison is going to favor the guy who has been around longer, since he's had more chances to have a good season. If you look at seasons as a whole, Wayne has topped 200 fantasy points once in 8 years (13%), while Fitz has done it three times in 5 years (60%). And, this cannot be stressed enough, but Wayne has posted those inferior stats despite playing in a radically superior situation. Every single season of his career, Wayne has played every game with Peyton Manning. In 2007, Fitz played 11 games with Warner and 5 games with Leinart, and he still put up 1400/10. In 2005, Josh McCown and John Navarre accounted for 44% of Arizona's pass attempts, and while Warner accounted for the other 56%, it was the 2005 Kurt Warner (the guy who was playing for his 3rd team in 3 years and who nobody really wanted). Fitzgerald still put up 1400/10. Those are stats that show that Reggie Wayne isn't in Fitzgerald's class. Wayne has topped 1250 yards twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it more times in 3 fewer seasons. Reggie Wayne has hit double digit TDs twice in 8 years, while Fitz has done it one more time in three fewer years.
In his defense, he was second fiddle to one of the best WRs in this era until the last 3 years.
In Fitzgerald's defense, he was a rookie/sophomore until the last 3 years. He's also spent his entire career splitting time with the NFL's all-time leader in receiving yards per game. The difference is that you don't need to make that argument in Fitz's defense, because Fitz's results don't need defending. He put up 103/1400/10 in his second year in the league catching passes from has-beens and never-weres that no one else in the league wanted.Even if you want to play the "second fiddle to Marvin Harrison" card... even over the last two years when Wayne has clearly been "the guy", Fitz has 10 more receptions, 200 more receiving yards, 6 more TDs, 54 more fantasy points (64 more in PPR leagues), and the best postseason performance by any WR in NFL history. Fitz is 2nd in NFL history in receptions through 2 years, 2nd in NFL history in receptions through 3 years, 2nd in receptions through 4 years, and 1st in receptions through 5 years. He's on pace to be 1st in receptions through 6 years, too. In terms of competing for targets, Fitz lines up across from the guy who is first in receptions through 1 year, 3 years, and 4 years.
 
The OP should have asked everyone to rank the #5-10 WRs in the game. Seriously people there are four transcendent WRs in the game Moss, Fitz, AJ & Calvin.

Everyone else is fighting for table scraps.

 
When I think of top 10 WR's, I think of a receiver that is a game changer, always a threat, possesses abilities that other guys do not. My top 10..

1. Randy Moss- guy is a freak of nature, I've seen him catch balls with his forearm.

2. Fitzgerald- Same as Randy, physically a freak of nature.

3. AJ- Physical, extremely fast, great hands... locked in at 3.

4. Calvin- If he was on any other team, you'd see outlandish numbers... the guy is a victim of circumstance but that doesn't take away any talent.

5. Reggie Wayne- The guy is just like the guy he took the torch from.. nothing spectacular, just sure-handed, and solid is in aspect of the game.

6. Wes Welker- Is there another receiver you'd want on your team when you need a 3rd and 10 converted? The guy has lead the league in receptions, time to give the devil his due.

7. Desean Jackson- Guy is electric.. can take it to the endzone any given moment.

8. Heinz Ward- Being an NFL receiver just isn't about catch footballs folks, this guy is a legit football player that is also one heck of a WR but blocks like a fullback. All-around solid player.

9. Brandon Marshall- Baby T.O... has been contributing since his rookie season at a high level, was in the doghouse... has shown some maturity... easily top 10.

10. I saw this getting flamed but I have to go with Sidney Rice at my #10 spot. Just because he now has a Qb doesn't mean Favre is the reason for all of his success. WR's tend to break out in their 3rd year, the guy is still insanely young... had his first real QB. I've been catching a lot of Vikings games and everytime this guy has single coverage... he has yet to be stopped. He's showing all the talent you want as your #1 option. He has the size, speed, hands to dominate opponents. Favre is helping him develop but I don't see Rice being less valuable from here on out.

 
Bush - Height: 6-0 Weight: 203 Harvin - Height: 5-11 Weight: 184I'd say that makes Harvin smaller than Bush. :thumbup: I don't ever see Harvin as a #1 guy in the NFL - hard to put someone like that in the top-10.
How big was Marvin Harrison?
 
jojoh07 said:
Boldin needs a mentioning.
THISits funny how short ppl's memory are , you do this list last year and Q makes almost everyones top 10.
How many players are top 10 year to year? Wayne, AJ, Moss, Welker(Calvin wasn't last year - I got him as 25th WR taken in one re draft).Too many injury issues for me to put him there.
 
Does Sidney Rice really even belong in the discussion? He's talented sure, but I don't think I'd put him near the top 10 yet. Seems to me like Favre is driving up his value right now...
Some of the catches Rice has been making have been crazy. If the the ball gets near him, he makes the catch. Favre have also benefited from having Rice.
 
We do not have nearly enough information to determine if Sidney Rice belongs on this list, therefore he does not.
The guy is catching 71% of the targets thrown his way. He's averaging over 12 yards/target. There's no question he belongs in the discussion right now. I can see people leaving him off the top ten, but he is an immensely talented receiver and the scary part is he's only 23. Favre doesn't make the receiver, he just gives them the opportunity.
I don't see how his performance over the last 9 games (he put up 5 catches for 46 yards in week 1-2) elevates any player to the level of Moss, Fitz, Calvin and AJ. Those guys are clearly the most physically gifted WRs in the game.Sidney needs to show a little more before he enters this conversation.
Rice trained some with Fitzgerald this summer and he said that Rice had more talent than he himself has. Rice just had to dedicate himself to let the talent show.
 
We do not have nearly enough information to determine if Sidney Rice belongs on this list, therefore he does not.
The guy is catching 71% of the targets thrown his way. He's averaging over 12 yards/target. There's no question he belongs in the discussion right now. I can see people leaving him off the top ten, but he is an immensely talented receiver and the scary part is he's only 23. Favre doesn't make the receiver, he just gives them the opportunity.
I don't see how his performance over the last 9 games (he put up 5 catches for 46 yards in week 1-2) elevates any player to the level of Moss, Fitz, Calvin and AJ. Those guys are clearly the most physically gifted WRs in the game.Sidney needs to show a little more before he enters this conversation.
Rice trained some with Fitzgerald this summer and he said that Rice had more talent than he himself has. Rice just had to dedicate himself to let the talent show.
What would you expect Fitz to say? "He sucks"?
 
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