Terrance Copper (1 Viewer)

[simmonjm]

First let me say this is not who do i start but I have been thinking of starting Terrance Copper over Santana Moss.

New Orleans will be overmatched verses the Cowboys. I have watched alot of New Orleans and all the Cowboys games this season and it seems that the Saints always seem to turn it over or drop crucial passes in big games. I see this as being a game were Dallas starts of fast and enjoys a 10-14 point lead the entire game. I figure that Brees will be chucking the ball downfield pretty much the entire game because that is the only weak spot of the Dallas defense.

This brings us to match ups I assume that Newman will match up with Henderson leaving Copper on Henry. Henry is a good cover corner but can be beat deep or with double move. My projections for this game go something like Drew Brees 26-40 for 320 yards 3 tds 2 Ints. Henderson 6-89 o touchdowns, Copper 10-142 2 tds, Bush 8-58 1 td. What is everyone's thoughts on the game and projections?

 

[Fireballer]

That's exactly what I am thinking. The NO recievers look like junk time gold this week. Dallas is a good D, but fantasy wise, NO can be gold against a good D. Look at the Balt. game. I may put Copper in if Colston and Horn are both inactive.

 

[purestrength]

So if Colston and Horn sit out, is Copper really more likely to be productive than Henderson?

 

[LivingTheDream]

First let me say this is not who do i start but I have been thinking of starting Terrance Copper over Santana Moss. New Orleans will be overmatched verses the Cowboys. I have watched alot of New Orleans and all the Cowboys games this season and it seems that the Saints always seem to turn it over or drop crucial passes in big games. I see this as being a game were Dallas starts of fast and enjoys a 10-14 point lead the entire game. I figure that Brees will be chucking the ball downfield pretty much the entire game because that is the only weak spot of the Dallas defense. This brings us to match ups I assume that Newman will match up with Henderson leaving Copper on Henry. Henry is a good cover corner but can be beat deep or with double move. My projections for this game go something like Drew Brees 26-40 for 320 yards 3 tds 2 Ints. Henderson 6-89 o touchdowns, Copper 10-142 2 tds, Bush 8-58 1 td. What is everyone's thoughts on the game and projections?

Guy has caught 1 pass in the last 2 weeks. I'm not buying it.

 

[Chickenwang]

The only thing Copper has done this season is catch a hail marry bomb before halftime.

Other than that, the guy has dropped a boatload of passes

 

[Fireballer]

So if Colston and Horn sit out, is Copper really more likely to be productive than Henderson?

I wouldn't say that. I would say that he has as good of a chance at putting up WR1 numbers as Henderson does, IF both Colston and Horn sit. I'm saying that goes for this week only. I just cant see NO being able to run the ball that great against Dallas. IMHO, Brees will have to throw about 40 times this game, and if Copper is the #2, he should have good numbers.

 

[Fireballer]

The only thing Copper has done this season is catch a hail marry bomb before halftime.Other than that, the guy has dropped a boatload of passes

Prior to 4 weeks ago, he was invisibe. Weeks 10, 11, 12, he put up 10, 14, 15 pts. in my league. The only thing that makes him viable this week, it the possibility of Colston and Horn being out. He's not gonna replace guys like Wayne, Owens, Holt, or Harrison. For people that are thin because of injury, be should be a good sub. He's especially valuable for Colston owners who need a sub to plug in before the 8:00 game.

 

[Todem]

The only thing Copper has done this season is catch a hail marry bomb before halftime.Other than that, the guy has dropped a boatload of passes

Prior to 4 weeks ago, he was invisibe. Weeks 10, 11, 12, he put up 10, 14, 15 pts. in my league. The only thing that makes him viable this week, it the possibility of Colston and Horn being out. He's not gonna replace guys like Wayne, Owens, Holt, or Harrison. For people that are thin because of injury, be should be a good sub. He's especially valuable for Colston owners who need a sub to plug in before the 8:00 game.

Exactly what I think as well. I am plugging him in as a one week band aid (at WR3) with some big upside. Against Pittsburgh he looked like player that can become a very productive WR in the future.

 

[davidwb]

but would copper be better than "mid-level" receivers, such as reggie brown, marty booker, antonio bryant, or marcus robinson? or would they be safer plays, but with less upside than copper?

the big problem with copper (unless you have colston) is that if colston is a true game-time decision, you won't be able to plug anyone else in for copper if colston is able to start. this makes copper a high risk start, unless he's sure to go before the early sunday games.

 

[home dog]

Why did Copper have 0 last week when Colston sat. Did he dress?

 

[SproutDaddy]

Why did Copper have 0 last week when Colston sat. Did he dress?

Because the Saints didn't rely on their passing game with their 2 starting receivers out. It was the Deuce and Reggie show.

 

[Skeetcher]

Why did Copper have 0 last week when Colston sat. Did he dress?

Other threads have inferred that Copper is seen as Horns b/u while Henderson is the b/u for Colston. I haven't seen a lot of the Saints this year so I can't confirm this but it has been written several times by reputable sources.With Horn likely out, I am also planning on playing Copper this week and can see nice numbers for him (80 and a score).

 

[Todem]

but would copper be better than "mid-level" receivers, such as reggie brown, marty booker, antonio bryant, or marcus robinson? or would they be safer plays, but with less upside than copper?the big problem with copper (unless you have colston) is that if colston is a true game-time decision, you won't be able to plug anyone else in for copper if colston is able to start. this makes copper a high risk start, unless he's sure to go before the early sunday games.

I would not start him over Reggie Brown but I would gamble over Booker (2 hot weeks in a row 3 in a row would be unreal for him and Joey) Antonio Bruant is a stiff as well as Marcus Robinson IMO.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

First let me say this is not who do i start but I have been thinking of starting Terrance Copper over Santana Moss. New Orleans will be overmatched verses the Cowboys. I have watched alot of New Orleans and all the Cowboys games this season and it seems that the Saints always seem to turn it over or drop crucial passes in big games. I see this as being a game were Dallas starts of fast and enjoys a 10-14 point lead the entire game. I figure that Brees will be chucking the ball downfield pretty much the entire game because that is the only weak spot of the Dallas defense. This brings us to match ups I assume that Newman will match up with Henderson leaving Copper on Henry. Henry is a good cover corner but can be beat deep or with double move. My projections for this game go something like Drew Brees 26-40 for 320 yards 3 tds 2 Ints. Henderson 6-89 o touchdowns, Copper 10-142 2 tds, Bush 8-58 1 td. What is everyone's thoughts on the game and projections?

Guy has caught 1 pass in the last 2 weeks. I'm not buying it.

Have to recall last week was the Reggie Bush show and in week 12 Horn did play...but week 10 copper had 6/92/1 and week11 had 6/87/1..not bad for a backup wr huh?

 

[NJ OAK]

Listen, let's put an end to this right now. The Saints haven't played a team as balanced as the Cowboys (especially on the road). Do you think Dallas is saying "damn, we have to worry about those BACK-UP receivers"? They are 2nd tier for a reason, otherwise they would be starters. Yes, they are good and have produced, but I really think that this is a perfect time for the Cowboys to just throttle somebody. If anything, garbage points may come the Saints WR way, but I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Listen, let's put an end to this right now. The Saints haven't played a team as balanced as the Cowboys (especially on the road). Do you think Dallas is saying "damn, we have to worry about those BACK-UP receivers"? They are 2nd tier for a reason, otherwise they would be starters. Yes, they are good and have produced, but I really think that this is a perfect time for the Cowboys to just throttle somebody. If anything, garbage points may come the Saints WR way, but I wouldn't bank on it.

Thats your opinion...seems you think second tier aka backup wr's are not able to replace starters..hate to tell you happens almost every week in the NFL! And some do keep the job as starters!

 

[NJ OAK]

Listen, let's put an end to this right now. The Saints haven't played a team as balanced as the Cowboys (especially on the road). Do you think Dallas is saying "damn, we have to worry about those BACK-UP receivers"? They are 2nd tier for a reason, otherwise they would be starters. Yes, they are good and have produced, but I really think that this is a perfect time for the Cowboys to just throttle somebody. If anything, garbage points may come the Saints WR way, but I wouldn't bank on it.

Thats your opinion...seems you think second tier aka backup wr's are not able to replace starters..hate to tell you happens almost every week in the NFL! And some do keep the job as starters!

The line is 7 1/2 from experts for a reason. I'm not saying the back-ups aren't capable, in fact I acknowledged that they were good, but I just have a hunch that big D shuts this team down. Hey, I would love a shootout because I have both Cowboys and Saints players, but I just would temper my expectations for NO offensive players right now.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I believe any wr on the saints could be #1 since brees has to throw the ball so much..for gods sakes he threw for 510 yards and still lost the game!

 

[NJ OAK]

I believe any wr on the saints could be #1 since brees has to throw the ball so much..for gods sakes he threw for 510 yards and still lost the game!

And 186 last week at HOME vs. SF! C'mon now. The 500+ was vs. Cinci.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I believe any wr on the saints could be #1 since brees has to throw the ball so much..for gods sakes he threw for 510 yards and still lost the game!

And 186 last week at HOME vs. SF! C'mon now. The 500+ was vs. Cinci.

There was no need to throw last week as posted in this thread before (was the Reggie Bush show 3 rushing Td's)..Saints had the lead early and just ran aginst weak 49ers DT 190 total rushing yds. I never said that 510 yard passing game was last week..just said he lost that GAME WHERE HE THREW FOR 510.

 

[NJ OAK]

I believe any wr on the saints could be #1 since brees has to throw the ball so much..for gods sakes he threw for 510 yards and still lost the game!

And 186 last week at HOME vs. SF! C'mon now. The 500+ was vs. Cinci.

There was no need to throw last week as posted in this thread before (was the Reggie Bush show 3 rushing Td's)..Saints had the lead early and just ran aginst weak 49ers DT 190 total rushing yds. I never said that 510 yard passing game was last week..just said he lost that GAME WHERE HE THREW FOR 510.

As I stated ALREADY, I wouldn't mind a shootout considering I have players on both sides, but I DO NOT think that NO has faced a team of this caliber yet. With a balanced offense and very good defense, the Cowboys can dictate how teh game is played.

 

[Bri]

Why did Copper have 0 last week when Colston sat. Did he dress?

Because the Saints didn't rely on their passing game with their 2 starting receivers out. It was the Deuce and Reggie show.

Not really, they did pass to Bush...alot. I know what ya mean though.Brees recently said they're just playing matchups, Bush had the most favorable one. (At Saints. official site) That bugs me re- their WRs. I expect X amount to the WRs and Y to the RBs with maybe a little more due to injury. I got the impression Bush is thought of like a WR. 10 pass plays to him instead of 5 to Devery 5 to Copper, is just fine with Payton+Brees so long as he has the favorable matchup. When isn't that ultra talented guy going to have a favorable matchup?