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you mean the OC that he said u don't talk to me, i talk to u. i'm sure he'll do great with the vikingsI am curious what kind of relationship he had with Childress in Philly, TO,K-Rob and Burleson in Minny would be really pretty!!!!!!!
Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
This is the first thing that crossed my mind when I read the thread title.There's no way Gruden signs this guy. No way.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Really? Never heard of Keyshawn Johnson?Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Is that the guy Gruden kicked off the team for being an #######?Really? Never heard of Keyshawn Johnson?Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Yes - sorry, I used the phrase "problem WR".Is that the guy Gruden kicked off the team for being an #######?Really? Never heard of Keyshawn Johnson?Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
I think you're missing my point."Problem WRs" tend to be shown the door rather quickly by Mr. Gruden. Therefore Mr. Owens would not stand too good a chance with him.Yes - sorry, I used the phrase "problem WR".Is that the guy Gruden kicked off the team for being an #######?Really? Never heard of Keyshawn Johnson?Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Yep, sorry. I did miss your point. When you said Gruden didn't have a good track record, I thought you were saying he was too tolerant of garbage behavior.I think you're missing my point."Problem WRs" tend to be shown the door rather quickly by Mr. Gruden. Therefore Mr. Owens would not stand too good a chance with him.Yes - sorry, I used the phrase "problem WR".Is that the guy Gruden kicked off the team for being an #######?Really? Never heard of Keyshawn Johnson?Link?I was thinking Gruden has an excellent track record with problem WRs.Agreed. McCardell couldn't get along either. Gruden doesn't have a very good track record with hothead recievers.Didn't meshawn get kicked off this team for being a cancer? It doesn't make sense.
Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
What team really has the luxury to have 3 top receivers? Obviously losing Clayton hurt, but the money TO will demand, coupled with Clayton and Galloways salaries is just not worth it. The O Line is young, but I can't see how it will drastically improve. With young lineman, most of the problems are with assignments. The Bucs tackles were human turnstiles, they didn't move their feet at all when blocking. The Bucs should still be solid on defense, but unless that O Line is addressed, they are not getting far.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
What do you mean you can't see how they will improve? Three of them were first-year starters, you don't think they'll get better as they play more? Based on the fact they were all young, were blockng for a rookie RB and basically a rookie QB, I thought they held up well.I agree three quality wideouts is a luxury, but this team needs a jolt offensively.What team really has the luxury to have 3 top receivers? Obviously losing Clayton hurt, but the money TO will demand, coupled with Clayton and Galloways salaries is just not worth it. The O Line is young, but I can't see how it will drastically improve. With young lineman, most of the problems are with assignments. The Bucs tackles were human turnstiles, they didn't move their feet at all when blocking. The Bucs should still be solid on defense, but unless that O Line is addressed, they are not getting far.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
I was saying that just because they were first year starters does not mean they will improve to become adequate NFL lineman. Like I said, things like assignments can be improved with repetition, but how are they going to improve on having slow feet, and poor technique? The Bucs would be making a huge mistake if they didn't sign one free agent starter and draft a lineman with their 1st or 2nd round pick.What do you mean you can't see how they will improve? Three of them were first-year starters, you don't think they'll get better as they play more? Based on the fact they were all young, were blockng for a rookie RB and basically a rookie QB, I thought they held up well.I agree three quality wideouts is a luxury, but this team needs a jolt offensively.What team really has the luxury to have 3 top receivers? Obviously losing Clayton hurt, but the money TO will demand, coupled with Clayton and Galloways salaries is just not worth it. The O Line is young, but I can't see how it will drastically improve. With young lineman, most of the problems are with assignments. The Bucs tackles were human turnstiles, they didn't move their feet at all when blocking. The Bucs should still be solid on defense, but unless that O Line is addressed, they are not getting far.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
I dunno -- I thought Buenning and Mahan played pretty well this year, and Walker was damn near excellent. I imagine you're talking about Anthony Davis here, and you're correct -- he's pretty poor in pass blocking. Slow feet. But he's an absolute mauler when it comes to run blocking, and he's not protecting the QBs blind side now with Simms in there.I was saying that just because they were first year starters does not mean they will improve to become adequate NFL lineman. Like I said, things like assignments can be improved with repetition, but how are they going to improve on having slow feet, and poor technique? The Bucs would be making a huge mistake if they didn't sign one free agent starter and draft a lineman with their 1st or 2nd round pick.What do you mean you can't see how they will improve? Three of them were first-year starters, you don't think they'll get better as they play more? Based on the fact they were all young, were blockng for a rookie RB and basically a rookie QB, I thought they held up well.I agree three quality wideouts is a luxury, but this team needs a jolt offensively.What team really has the luxury to have 3 top receivers? Obviously losing Clayton hurt, but the money TO will demand, coupled with Clayton and Galloways salaries is just not worth it. The O Line is young, but I can't see how it will drastically improve. With young lineman, most of the problems are with assignments. The Bucs tackles were human turnstiles, they didn't move their feet at all when blocking. The Bucs should still be solid on defense, but unless that O Line is addressed, they are not getting far.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
They made a huge mistake the last time they took OL in the first round (K Walker). So taking an o-lineman in the draft isn't always a sure thing. And free agency didn't really work out for them either, can you say Todd Steucie or Derrick Deese.I was saying that just because they were first year starters does not mean they will improve to become adequate NFL lineman. Like I said, things like assignments can be improved with repetition, but how are they going to improve on having slow feet, and poor technique? The Bucs would be making a huge mistake if they didn't sign one free agent starter and draft a lineman with their 1st or 2nd round pick.What do you mean you can't see how they will improve? Three of them were first-year starters, you don't think they'll get better as they play more? Based on the fact they were all young, were blockng for a rookie RB and basically a rookie QB, I thought they held up well.I agree three quality wideouts is a luxury, but this team needs a jolt offensively.What team really has the luxury to have 3 top receivers? Obviously losing Clayton hurt, but the money TO will demand, coupled with Clayton and Galloways salaries is just not worth it. The O Line is young, but I can't see how it will drastically improve. With young lineman, most of the problems are with assignments. The Bucs tackles were human turnstiles, they didn't move their feet at all when blocking. The Bucs should still be solid on defense, but unless that O Line is addressed, they are not getting far.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
... and Mortensen would be covering 28 of those 30.I am willing to bet ESPN will report 30 other teams this offseason T.O. may end up.
And so it begins JAA. You may be able to save a few bucks and contact Wood for your I TO shirt.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
this is exactly right...TONIGHT ON SPORTS CENTER...COULD T.O. END UP IN ___________I am willing to bet ESPN will report 30 other teams this offseason T.O. may end up.
And there will be 30 other "our coach knows how to handle T.O." threads about it.I am willing to bet ESPN will report 30 other teams this offseason T.O. may end up.
You'll never see me defend the guy for his off-field actions, just like I never defended Keyshawn for being a lunatic. But I have said many times how good of a WR that Key is, and TO is certainly better.Yeah I don't like the guy, but after seeing 34-year-old Galloway being triple-covered yesterday I'll take it.And so it begins JAA. You may be able to save a few bucks and contact Wood for your I TO shirt.Actually without Clayton, receiver is a pretty sore spot. Skins just took away Galloway's deep presence today, completely limiting the offense. And you saw what Sheppard did in the end zone today -- a guy like TO doesn't drop that pass.Oline is very, very young -- they'll get better. Three of those guys were first-year starters.I think Tampa is a terrible fit. Yes, Galloway is old, but he is coming off one of his best seasons. And Michael Clayton's injury obviously effected him. He is a big time player when healthy, a young Rod Smith. Receiver is the least of their woories on offense (and you can throw in tight end - Alex Smith is going to be a good one), its inconsistency from the quarterback, who has zero pocket presence, and a pretty horrible O Line.
This team needs another explosive offensive threat something fierce. TO would be perfect, but I'm not sure I want that nut on this team.
But whatever gets another Super Bowl.
The third-string QB usually doesn't get a whole lot of say in these matters.I bet Rattay would be really happy to have TO back on his team.