Terrell Owens (1 Viewer)

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From CBS Sportsline:

Terrell Owens, WR DAL

News: Between the Cowboys getting WR Terrell Owens a second MRI on his hamstring and conversations we've had with insiders and NFL alumni, T.O. has dropped from the top of our wide receiver rank list. We've learned that in addition to Owens' sore hamstring -- which is a serious injury after all -- he has what has been described as a "chronic groin" ailment that has been with him since Philadelphia. Several sources, including Sports Illustrated's Peter King, have reported that Owens has been slower than normal in camp and has not been able to shake even third-string defensive backs. T.O. has yet to be cleared to play in the team's third preseason game vs. the 49ers on Saturday and may not play based on his limited practice and the results of his MRI.

Analysis: We've also learned that rivals are already plotting for a slower version of Owens, and it could impact his performance, which could potentially lead to another locker room mess. Owens remains a quality No. 1 Fantasy receiver, but in our estimation he would not be the best one to take first off the WR board. We've got him slotted fourth among WRs and in the overall top 20, but that is as of now; if he plays in the team's third preseason game, he could be moved back up the boards. Consider using a late second- or early third-round pick on him, but beware of his faults. We could not blame you if you dropped him even further on your rank lists, but just remember that he does have awesome size, a very strong drive to compete and his hands are considered one of the game's best.

 

[joffer]

i hear he also has bad breath

if he puts up 3 TDs week one a lot of people are going to be

 

[redman]

We could not blame you if you dropped him even further on your rank lists, but just remember that he does have awesome size, a very strong drive to compete and his hands are considered one of the game's best.

 

[#@%&$!?]

I just searched around a bit and Peter King does refer to TO's 'recent history of groin injuries.' I don't remember reading about this last year. Did I miss something?

 

[redman]

I just searched around a bit and Peter King does refer to TO's 'recent history of groin injuries.' I don't remember reading about this last year. Did I miss something?

Well, a groin is one way of referring to TO.

 

[cybergourmet]

oh the chronic pain that is T.Owe

 

[chris1969]

The groin is the opposite side of where I would think a TO pain would be

 

[BigTex]

oh the chronic pain that is T.Owe

 

[Hammerage]

I remember that TO actually did have a groin injury in SF prior to going to the Eagles. All of this posturing by TO and the fact that he has barely played for the past two years has me wondering.... does he have lingering injuries, he knows this, and he knows that he is not the receiver he used to be. Now he is trying to play everything out as long as he can without actually exposing himself as being a step or two slower than he used to be. Pure speculation, but the longer this goes on the more I wonder.

 

[Hammerage]

Maybe it was in Philly. Found this...

Owens Misses Practice With Groin Injury

AP Sports

08/05/2005

BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) - Terrell Owens left the Philadelphia Eagles' morning practice Thursday and did not return for the team's afternoon session after injuring his left groin.

During the morning practice, Owens walked to the medical tent before being carted off the field. His official status was not immediately released.

 

[poopdawg]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

 

[Mark Wimer]

Owens has fought through a sore groin for several years - it was an issue for him in S.F. at the end of his time there and while in Philadelphia he missed practices on a semi-regular basis in order to rest the groin. He's been dealing with groin issues for some time - it is not a new injury. He was listed on the Eagle's injury report with an "abdomen" injury starting in week 3 of last year (Oakland/Philadelphia) and it popped up a few more times while he was still with the team - but it is really an ongoing issue with him.

 

[BigTex]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

A third? You must really be ##%@*^?

 

[J-Co]

The chronic groin injury really isn't news. He's dealt with it for quite a while now. Up to now, he's managed to play through it as much as I can remember. That said, if you've messed up your groin or hamstring before then you know that the injuries can be pretty similar and my first thought when I read he hurt his hammy this preseason was that it was probably the same bad leg. So, his bad hammy bears watching a little more than another WR without the prior problem, IMO (not to mention the other risk factors that you get with this player).

 

[Billy1x]

Owens has fought through a sore groin for several years - it was an issue for him in S.F. at the end of his time there and while in Philadelphia he missed practices on a semi-regular basis in order to rest the groin. He's been dealing with groin issues for some time - it is not a new injury. He was listed on the Eagle's injury report with an "abdomen" injury starting in week 3 of last year (Oakland/Philadelphia) and it popped up a few more times while he was still with the team - but it is really an ongoing issue with him.

Amazing how he runs under 4.5 sec 50 with it and plays basketball. He's faking it OR its in his head.More MRIs will be done to find out whats wrong per Jerry Jones.

 

[poopdawg]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

A third? You must really be ##%@*^?

In a 3 keeper league, this is not that far off.

 

[redman]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

A third? You must really be ##%@*^?

Seriously. A 3rd in a 3-keeper league is roughly equivalent to a 6th in a straight redraft league.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

A third? You must really be ##%@*^?

Seriously. A 3rd in a 3-keeper league is roughly equivalent to a 6th in a straight redraft league.

It really depends on who you're keeping in his place. No one would ever give up their first pick for a guy with TO's history. You might get a late 2nd rounder. A 3rd doesn't seem far off.

 

[poopdawg]

Just got rid of him in a 3 keeper league for an early third rounder. I dont care if the guy goes off. I cant put up with the #### like last year in Philly. I hope TO never sees the field again......

A third? You must really be ##%@*^?

Seriously. A 3rd in a 3-keeper league is roughly equivalent to a 6th in a straight redraft league.

...in addition to the player he can now keep because he\'s not keeping TO.

Yeah my 3 keepers are set. I kept Reggie Wayne. So essentially I kept Wayne and got an early third to drop TO. I have no intention on having him back on my roster so I may as well get something for him.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Another thing to note is that if he's got a groin problem, then other muscles begin to compensate for the hurt muscle which could make the hammy injury linger or recur.

While he's been dealing with it for quite some time now, he's also 32 and just may not be healing as quickly as before.

I'm not a TO hater, but I'm not touching him at his current ADP.

 

[zamboni]

All this negative talk is probably making Owens a huge value if he slips. Don't forget he's playing for Parcells - he'll be on the field and undoubtedly productive.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I'm not a TO hater, but I'm not touching him at his current ADP.

 

[twister101]

he's been nursing one thing or another for a few years now. does anyone get the felling that some players just dont like to practice! oh they play on sunday and even put up some good numbers but monday they are back in the trainers room tuesday they watch film and wednesday thier listed as questionable on the injury report.

 

[RKMoney]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

 

[RKMoney]

he's been nursing one thing or another for a few years now. does anyone get the felling that some players just dont like to practice! oh they play on sunday and even put up some good numbers but monday they are back in the trainers room tuesday they watch film and wednesday thier listed as questionable on the injury report.

Definitely

 

[Raiders Fan]

We could not blame you if you dropped him even further on your rank lists, but just remember that he does have awesome size, a very strong drive to compete and his hands are considered one of the game's best.

A lot of people feel his hands are one of the best in the league. Not sure why your so shocked.. Don't let your hatred get in teh way of reality..

 

[RKMoney]

Wonder how many people who drafted Portis at #4 or somewhere in the first round bypased TO in the second.

 

[easy like sunday morning]

CBS is the last place I go for news. This blurb, while based in some fact, is a lot of speculation. First off, what team is out there telling people they are planning for a slower TO? Did someone from the Redskins go out and report they aren't worried about TO and they are gameplanning differently? Second, he has had the groing injury for awhile. If the groin injury slowed him down in Philly I would take his production in his last 6 games. The final reason their report sucks is they had TO ranked #1 at the WR position. Take injury aside and just due to his attitude I wouldn't have him #1. They moved him from #1 to #4 and put out something like this? The way they make it sound TO can't run past my grandma. If that is the case how could they keep him at #4?

 

[RKMoney]

CBS is the last place I go for news. This blurb, while based in some fact, is a lot of speculation. First off, what team is out there telling people they are planning for a slower TO? Did someone from the Redskins go out and report they aren't worried about TO and they are gameplanning differently? Second, he has had the groing injury for awhile. If the groin injury slowed him down in Philly I would take his production in his last 6 games. The final reason their report sucks is they had TO ranked #1 at the WR position. Take injury aside and just due to his attitude I wouldn't have him #1. They moved him from #1 to #4 and put out something like this? The way they make it sound TO can't run past my grandma. If that is the case how could they keep him at #4?

That's all you need to know right there. Whenever someone proclaims that a player's injury is serious and they end up saying they are moving them down a few spots that means there's really nothing to this story.Love it and you hear this all the time.

1. Player could be seriously injured, watch out and avoid!

2. We are moving him down but still a top 5 at position.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Owens has fought through a sore groin for several years - it was an issue for him in S.F. at the end of his time there and while in Philadelphia he missed practices on a semi-regular basis in order to rest the groin. He's been dealing with groin issues for some time - it is not a new injury. He was listed on the Eagle's injury report with an "abdomen" injury starting in week 3 of last year (Oakland/Philadelphia) and it popped up a few more times while he was still with the team - but it is really an ongoing issue with him.

Amazing how he runs under 4.5 sec 50 with it and plays basketball. He's faking it OR its in his head.More MRIs will be done to find out whats wrong per Jerry Jones.

Hey Billy1x,As far as whether Owen's groin injury is detectable by medical technology or is a "phantom pain" in his head, as you assert, is something I won't speculate on as I have no personal knowledge about Owens' injury. What I do know for sure is that the groin issue has been widely reported for a number of years, and that the Philadelphia training staff/coaching staff took it seriously enough to limit his practice reps in order to preserve Owens for game-day. MW

 

[massraider]

Mark it down: People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year. See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

 

[RKMoney]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

 

[massraider]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

 

[redman]

We could not blame you if you dropped him even further on your rank lists, but just remember that he does have awesome size, a very strong drive to compete and his hands are considered one of the game's best.

A lot of people feel his hands are one of the best in the league. Not sure why your so shocked.. Don't let your hatred get in teh way of reality..

Hatred has nothing to do with it. He's certainly a force at WR, but he tends to be among the "leaders" in highest percentage of dropped passes. If you make plays like he does then you don't worry about it the way you do with guys like Koren Robinson, but it's still a fact that he drops a lot of passes.

 

[#@%&$!?]

In case this situation doesn't improve, how would the Dallas receiving corps look? Would Glenn be moved to wr1 and Crayton (still gimpy?) move to wr2?

 

[RKMoney]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

 

[redman]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

Please eat more tuna fish.

 

[massraider]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

:sigh:You draft Portis over TO, because he didn't pull that crap that TO does. Portis isn't out of his tree, he's loony.

Loony is fine, out of your tree is bad. Off your rocker? I'm on the fence.

If you need more help with definitions let me know.

 

[RKMoney]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

:sigh:You draft Portis over TO, because he didn't pull that crap that TO does. Portis isn't out of his tree, he's loony.

Loony is fine, out of your tree is bad. Off your rocker? I'm on the fence.

If you need more help with definitions let me know.

No offense but you don't know any of these players so drop the whole "one is loony" bit, ok? If you need help on drafting more talented players regardless on what you perceive them to be personality wise then let me know, glad to help.rotoworld.com

"A second MRI on Terrell Owens' hamstring came up negative."

 

[massraider]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

:sigh:You draft Portis over TO, because he didn't pull that crap that TO does. Portis isn't out of his tree, he's loony.

Loony is fine, out of your tree is bad. Off your rocker? I'm on the fence.

If you need more help with definitions let me know.

No offense but you don't know any of these players so drop the whole "one is loony" bit, ok? If you need help on drafting more talented players regardless on what you perceive them to be personality wise then let me know, glad to help.

Now you're concerned that I may be insulting players? Care to address the original point I made? People don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, selfish, and missed most of last season. Not because he missed time with an injury.

The Steve Smith comparison was a bad one.

I'm very happy propping you up on this one. Keep thrashing around.

 

[RKMoney]

Mark it down:

People who bypass this guy on draft day are going to kick themselves this year.

See Steve Smith as last year's example.

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

And a lot of people said that about TO last year. Pass on TO, and you'll regret it! We saw how that turned out.

I drafted him last Sunday, in the second round of a 3 man keeper league. He was the obvious pick, value-wise, I already had my QB, 2RB, and a WR, but dang if I am not looking forward to the TO daily feed.

The last two years, I haven't had a dog in the TO race, which was fine with me. Now I have an interest, and I hate it.

Then why draft Portis? That guy is completely off his rocker and likes to play dress up every week.

Hmmmm, differences between Portis and Owens..........let's see here....................................I've read your stuff, you can answer that question yourself.

You said you don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, well, so is Portis but that doesn't stop people from drafting him in the first round so "out of his tree" is completely irrlevant as a reason to not draft him.

:sigh:You draft Portis over TO, because he didn't pull that crap that TO does. Portis isn't out of his tree, he's loony.

Loony is fine, out of your tree is bad. Off your rocker? I'm on the fence.

If you need more help with definitions let me know.

No offense but you don't know any of these players so drop the whole "one is loony" bit, ok? If you need help on drafting more talented players regardless on what you perceive them to be personality wise then let me know, glad to help.

Now you're concerned that I may be insulting players? Care to address the original point I made? People don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, selfish, and missed most of last season. Not because he missed time with an injury.

The Steve Smith comparison was a bad one.

I'm very happy propping you up on this one. Keep thrashing around.

That just made absolutely no sense, just like your original point. So people now don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, selfish, and missed most of last season?I fully addressed your original point by way and proved it to be completely false. Here's what you said:

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

Wrong and completely untrue. I came back with a simple example of another player who is out of his tree so to speak. You can even add a sizable injury as a bonus and he's still drafted WAY before TO.

So, are you now going to change your reason why you shouldn't or people don't draft TO?

Let me know your final decision.

-TO owner

 

[massraider]

That just made absolutely no sense, just like your original point. So people now don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, selfish, and missed most of last season?

I fully addressed your original point by way and proved it to be completely false. Here's what you said:

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

Wrong and completely untrue. I came back with a simple example of another player who is out of his tree so to speak. You can even add a sizable injury as a bonus and he's still drafted WAY before TO.

So, are you now going to change your reason why you shouldn't or people don't draft TO?

Let me know your final decision.

-TO owner

No, my original point was that TO and Smith was a bad comparison. YOU picked up on a simple turn of phrase, and chose to get wrapped up in that, rather than your ridiculous comparisons. I don't blame you. I'd deflect too.

I don't think Portis is out of his tree. I think he's eccentric. And "out of his tree" is kind of a vague definition at best. So then applying that label to another player, and then using that as some sort of 'proof' that you proved a point is laughable.

You want my original point? Here it is:

Steve Smith is a bad example. People might have avoided Smith last year, because he was coming off an injury.

People who avoid TO this year, health is not the #1 reason. TO being immature, selfish, and hurting the team with his antics ("out of his tree") IS a big reason.

Portis may be out of his tree, but his antics haven't hurt his production on the football field. TO's has.

So that's also a bad comparison. Keep 'em coming.

-Non-TO owner last year

 

[RKMoney]

That just made absolutely no sense, just like your original point. So people now don't draft TO because he's out of his tree, selfish, and missed most of last season?

I fully addressed your original point by way and proved it to be completely false. Here's what you said:

They aren't bypassing him because of a boo-boo. They would bypass him because he's out of his tree.

Wrong and completely untrue. I came back with a simple example of another player who is out of his tree so to speak. You can even add a sizable injury as a bonus and he's still drafted WAY before TO.

So, are you now going to change your reason why you shouldn't or people don't draft TO?

Let me know your final decision.

-TO owner

No, my original point was that TO and Smith was a bad comparison. YOU picked up on a simple turn of phrase, and chose to get wrapped up in that, rather than your ridiculous comparisons. I don't blame you. I'd deflect too.

I don't think Portis is out of his tree. I think he's eccentric. And "out of his tree" is kind of a vague definition at best. So then applying that label to another player, and then using that as some sort of 'proof' that you proved a point is laughable.

You want my original point? Here it is:

Steve Smith is a bad example. People might have avoided Smith last year, because he was coming off an injury.

People who avoid TO this year, health is not the #1 reason. TO being immature, selfish, and hurting the team with his antics ("out of his tree") IS a big reason.

Portis may be out of his tree, but his antics haven't hurt his production on the football field. TO's has.



So that's also a bad comparison. Keep 'em coming.

-Non-TO owner last year

Can I just throw out his stat line from yesterday then?

 

[massraider]

Can I just throw out his stat line from yesterday then?

You still have no idea what the point was, and now you're creating a straw man. AND throwing out week 1 stat lines as vindication. That's quite the hat trick.

 

[RKMoney]

Can I just throw out his stat line from yesterday then?

You still have no idea what the point was, and now you're creating a straw man. AND throwing out week 1 stat lines as vindication. That's quite the hat trick.

Stings, don't it?Edit: Yesterday's stats is ALL you need to know.