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Terrell Pryor-trade value; redraft v keeper/dynasty (1 Viewer)

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With the Raiders cutting Flynn, and Pryor playing well (his YPA and completion percentage are way higher than I expected), it appears like Pryor may have a future in Oakland.

With that said, what kind of trade value does Pryor have?

If you owned him in a redraft, what would you want back in a trade?

If you owned him in a dynasty/keeper league, what would you want back in a trade?

 
I have him in a super flex league along with Bradford and M.Ryan and I am trying to dish Bradford.

I wouldn't let him go now because you won't get fair value in return. People will argue that it is a small sample size, he doesn't have a legitimate WR, the o-line is bad, his rushing yards have decreased every week and the like. They will ignore the fact that he is much more accurate than anyone anticipated and, as you mentioned, his YPA is shockingly high. What impresses me most about him is his consistency and how careful he is with the ball. His floor is much higher than I would have guessed and his upside is as high as any player in the league, he has the kind of athleticism that will single handedly win you a fantasy week.

I think he is more valuable in your lineup and you should consider dishing other options with better name recognition.

 
Was just looking at young QBs today and noticed Pryors NetYards/Attempt was strong. This is for all QBs under 25, but includes some rookies and some guys with only 30-40 attempts -- so probably best taken with a grain or two of salt (Nick Foles):

Code:
Player            Age     NY/ANick Foles         24     7.84Matthew Stafford   25     7.15Terrelle Pryor     24     6.68Geno Smith         23     6.49Robert Griffin III 23     6.44Russell Wilson     25     6.39Andrew Luck        24     6.34Ryan Tannehill     25     6.00Christian Ponder   25     5.88EJ Manuel          23     5.59Jake Locker        25     5.53Cam Newton         24     5.41Josh Freeman       25     5.19Blaine Gabbert     24     4.22Mike Glennon       24     3.84Jeff Tuel          22     3.14
 
I'll tell you who I wouldn't trade him for in dynasty... Geno Smith and EJ Manuel. I would consider Cam, but probably stand pat because he just looks like the suck. Kaep and Wilson probably would do it, because of greater long term and organizational stability. In short, I won't be trading him because no one will offer that. And I love to watch him play.

 
was offered ej manuel (pre injury) for him in a redraft and passed. i'm not moving him unless it's something *i can't refuse*, and i'd rather have him on my bench behind rivers for insurance and not helping the competition.

if you take out the JAX game where they were running all day, he's averaging about 23 pts / game in my league. it'll be interesting to see what he does this week @ KC, but the rest of his schedule looks decent.

 
Bump. I know KC is a very good D, but did Pryor take a hit in value?
I don't think so. The Oakland O-line has been doing an amazing job protecting Pryor this season, despite being held together with barbed wire and super glue. The KC game is an outlier, and their defense is amazing. But Oakland's O-line is only going to get better going forward when they get their stud LT Veldheer off of short term IR, and hopefully their 2nd round rook Watson. Did I mention the KC defense is really good? Sorry my short term memory is shot.

 
I have him in a super flex league along with Bradford and M.Ryan and I am trying to dish Bradford.

I wouldn't let him go now because you won't get fair value in return. People will argue that it is a small sample size, he doesn't have a legitimate WR, the o-line is bad, his rushing yards have decreased every week and the like. They will ignore the fact that he is much more accurate than anyone anticipated and, as you mentioned, his YPA is shockingly high. What impresses me most about him is his consistency and how careful he is with the ball. His floor is much higher than I would have guessed and his upside is as high as any player in the league, he has the kind of athleticism that will single handedly win you a fantasy week.

I think he is more valuable in your lineup and you should consider dishing other options with better name recognition.
I pretty much stand by this. He's worth more on your roster than you will get in return.

 
I'm trying to decide which one of Pryor, Manuel and Geno Smith I want on my roster for the next 2-3 years as a backup. Pryor is the most raw but may have the biggest upside.

 
Sadly, I moved Pryor in a deal this week to get Cam. To respond to the person above who said you won't get full value for him because non-Pryor owners will discount him as a fluke, that's certainly true. But you'll definitely get more for him now than you could've two months ago. While I'm a huge fan and love his story, there are reasons to deal him now. Mainly, that his 'pop' in value has already occurred. He went from a waiver-wire or very late round draft pick (I got him in the 17th round in a dynasty start up in August), to borderline QB1/2. If the draft were today, he'd be a 10-15 QB pick, probably in the top 10 rounds in a dynasty start up. If you can cash in on that pop in value from essentially no-value to mid-round value, that's a nice ROI, even if you don't get the full value that you think you should.

If you hold him hoping that his perceived value increases even more, you're gambling that he continues to improve on the trajectory that he's been on since the end of last year. Instead, I think his big jump as a passer already occurred, and any improvements going forward will be incremental. Accordingly, his big jump in value already occurred, and any improved value going forward will be incremental.

While it's easy to say he's improving and expect him to get better next year, and the year after... I think in reality his upside is capped by the organization which has been unable to put together a decent line over a number of years. The reasons I like Pryor/the Raiders are the same reasons that I don't think he'll continue to improve (more than incrementally) - namely lackluster talent around him and a dysfunctional management. Those underdog aspects make him fun to root for, but, I think they'll remain underdogs for a while. Turmoil, coaching changes, inferior coaching, inferior line play... these all seem like constants, to some extent, even though it's been nice to see the Raiders regain a bit of respectability.

And then there's the rushing -- his speed is top notch, his size is great, but other than that first Indy game there have been very few runs that were really impressive. He doesn't get the goal line plunges like Cam despite being almost the same size. He also seems to run only on the edges when contain breaks down. I don't see him running wild through the middle of the field like Cam and Kaep. Even Russel Wilson shows more ability to run and juke, especially in the open field, whereas Pryor remains mostly near the sidelines, gets the yards available until the angle catches up, and then steps out.

 
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