Terrified of freedom. (1 Viewer)

[IC FBGCav]

I think this is legit and want your thoughts. I think most people would give up freedom for "what they think is security"

 

[Kal El]

Most people have, and those who do so deserve neither and will wind up losing both.

 

[Freelove]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

 

[avoiding injuries]

Isn't this a case of who do you trust more?

 

[Freelove]

Isn't this a case of who do you trust more?

Jesus, Wal~Mart, Smith, and Wesson. Amen.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

Corporations are made up of people, just like unions.

 

[Ilov80s]

The entire basis of human society is giving up freedom in exchange for safety and structure. The proper balance isn't easy to set, but there has to be a balance.

 

[Mohawk]

What Ben Franklin said. (and Kal El) "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

What Ben Franklin said. (and Kal El) "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Was that Ben Franklin?

 

[timschochet]

What is "essential liberty"? The problem is different people define it differently. I don't believe what the NSA is doing, for example, impacts my essential liberty. Many people disagree. NRA supporters believe the right to purchase firearms without government restriction or review is an essential liberty. I disagree. So there you go.

 

[Slapdash]

I think most people would give up freedom for "what they think is security"

Replace would with have

 

[Mohawk]

What Ben Franklin said. (and Kal El) "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Was that Ben Franklin?

Oh Yea. Ben Franklin said it. Not sure if he was first or not. John Stuart Mill? or John Locke? Who knows?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

Well FBGs is presumably a corporation and the people that own it use it to speak freely and pursue their happiness through it, and thousands of posters speak freely here on this corporate owned website, so do you think it would be ok for the government to deny all rights associated and exercised through this corporation because it's not "a person"?

 

[Freelove]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

Well FBGs is presumably a corporation and the people that own it use it to speak freely and pursue their happiness through it, and thousands of posters speak freely here on this corporate owned website, so do you think it would be ok for the government to deny all rights associated and exercised through this corporation because it's not "a person"?

I say it can marry whoever it wants.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

Well FBGs is presumably a corporation and the people that own it use it to speak freely and pursue their happiness through it, and thousands of posters speak freely here on this corporate owned website, so do you think it would be ok for the government to deny all rights associated and exercised through this corporation because it's not "a person"?

I say it can marry whoever it wants.

Except FF Today. Not ok.

 

[Herb]

Our freedom is an illusion, much like our monetary system. It's just that it's in most of our own best interests to buy into the illusion, for better or worse.

If you want true freedom, quit your job, drop out of society and start farming/ hunting to feed yourself. Produce your own power somehow. Give up the internet and most forms of communication.

True freedom is hard work that most of us are not cut out for. Keep my services coming, o corporate master!!!

 

[Freelove]

I think most people happily give up freedom for, "what they think is freedom," and will in turn happily sing patriotic songs and make up patriotic platitudes to exalt their curious vision of freedom, while decrying those who actually want to be free as unAmericans, communists, moochers, slackers, deadbeats, radicals, anarchists, hippies, and losers.

You want freedom? Unplug and start farming. Anything else is just picking and choosing which masters to accept. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing to choose a master and run with it. But this culture is heavily invested in pretending corporate rule is personal freedom, and it's weird.

I don't find people who want to be secure from terrorists or criminals or rednecks with arsenals or predatory bankers any more or less sane than those who want to be secure from government overreach.

Corporations are people!!

Well FBGs is presumably a corporation and the people that own it use it to speak freely and pursue their happiness through it, and thousands of posters speak freely here on this corporate owned website, so do you think it would be ok for the government to deny all rights associated and exercised through this corporation because it's not "a person"?

I say it can marry whoever it wants.

Except FF Today. Not ok.

One man, one woman.

 

[Dippa]

I think this is legit and want your thoughts. I think most people would give up freedom for "what they think is security"

I think so too. For example, as a society, we've decided that speeding and driving drunk are against the law in order to keep our roads safer. From a strictly libertarian point of view, simply driving under the influence shouldn't be illegal, as you haven't harmed anyone or anything at that point, but I think most are okay with giving up that liberty. If the US deteriorated into a situation like Syria, you can bet that security would be priority #1 and few would care that they couldn't freely live their lives. After all, in the phrase "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", the first word is "life". Without life, there is no liberty or pursuit of happiness.

Of course, we aren't in a situation like Syria, and many feel that the liberties given up since 9/11 have been very disproportionate to the threats we face. However, as long as there are threats to security, there will always be a balance between liberty and security. The debate is where to draw the line between the two.

 

[Tchula]

Id prefer anarchy to totalitarianism.

 

[sheerterror]

Nobody is free in a society where you are trapped in perpetual debt.

Mortgages, car payments, health insurance, student loans, if it isn't one thing, it's another.

The sad part here is that we are given the illusion of being secure via the erosion of our "freedom." So long as a terrorist isn't crashing a plane into a building, we just assume the system is working. The same system that starts wars, costs thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

 

[Ilov80s]

Id prefer anarchy to totalitarianism.

Good thing those aren't the only two options.

 

[Jayrod]

Bunch a crazy up in here. Choosing to operate within societal norms and utilize the technologies in place isn't a loss of freedom, just a decision. Choosing to do what it takes to keep your job isn't loss of freedom, it's a decision. Choosing to borrow money isn't a loss of freedom, it's a decision.

Apparently according to you guys, living with the consequences of your decisions means giving up freedom.

 

[AAABatteries]

My wife lets me masturbate whenever I want!

 

[Politician Spock]

A salesman has an easy sale if a potential customer is afraid of something. People spend the majority of their lives trying to feel better.

 

[Jayrod]

A salesman has an easy sale if a potential customer is afraid of something. People spend the majority of their lives trying to feel better.

Moms are the most fearful bunch in the world and also the most gullible consumers.

 

[datonn]

Two thoughts, related to freedom:

1. Almost everyone, when broached with this particular subject, focuses exclusively/entirely on the freedoms THEY would/should (or want to) have. But to live in a truly free society? Means that I have to tolerate and accommodate everyone else's freedom to do whatever the #### they want to. Call me crazy, but I like the fact that I don't live next door to an active sexual predator of young girls (as the father of two pre-teens). I like the fact that my neighbors can't sniff blow and then fire off guns or fireworks into the sky at all hours of the day and night. I like at least the false sense of security that there will be fewer drunks out on the road when I'm driving my family to/from __________. I never think: "Man, I wish I was free to _________." I think: "Thank GOD the intellectual GIANTS in our community/region/state/country/planet AREN'T free to _________."

2. A lot of people seem to like to engage in freedom from thought. Like people who will tell you the Earth is 6,000 years old (created in 144 hours), or some who will even still tell you that the Sun orbits the Earth (these people shouldn't be free to procreate, or even be around children, LOL). The smaller/simpler one's world view, the less complicated their world/life becomes. The less complicated their world/life becomes, the less they need to think. Stress. Worry. And ignorance can absolutely become bliss. You don't think that the world was all ducks and bunnies (rainbows and unicorns) in the Garden of Eden before Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life/knowledge? Life is 1,000-times easier when it fits in a neat little box with a shiny bow.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Our freedom is an illusion, much like our monetary system. It's just that it's in most of our own best interests to buy into the illusion, for better or worse.

If you want true freedom, quit your job, drop out of society and start farming/ hunting to feed yourself. Produce your own power somehow. Give up the internet and most forms of communication.

True freedom is hard work that most of us are not cut out for. Keep my services coming, o corporate master!!!

Your describing independence not freedom. Personally much prefer the type of freedom Adam Smith envisioned, economic specialization supported by a democratic government.

Sorry but I am one of the freest people to ever live.

 

[timschochet]

If you want true freedom, quit your job, drop out of society and start farming/ hunting to feed yourself. Produce your own power somehow. Give up the internet and most forms of communication.

This sounds great until you stop in Vegas for the night and your wife gambles away the nest egg.