Testosterone treatments - educate me. (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

 

[steelerfan1]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

good advice. I’ll probably do just that. Just want to feel normal again. Thanks.

 

[quick-hands]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

 

[Chadstroma]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

dang... how old are you if you don't mind me asking.

 

[Chadstroma]

I got the test back at 248 which is higher than the 235 from before and that is also a little over a month of not being on clomid.

 

[steelerfan1]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

Wow, that’s low. Surprised to see your liver starts getting weird in the 200s. Just shows everyone’s body is different.

 

[steelerfan1]

I got the test back at 248 which is higher than the 235 from before and that is also a little over a month of not being on clomid.

Will be interesting to see once you’re back on it. Friend of mine I was talking to about this said when he got stuck by a tainted syringe he was put on some strong anti disease meds and it took his level into the 100s but after approx 4 weeks of clomid it was in the 600 range. Seems to definitely work.

 

[Chadstroma]

I got the test back at 248 which is higher than the 235 from before and that is also a little over a month of not being on clomid.

Will be interesting to see once you’re back on it. Friend of mine I was talking to about this said when he got stuck by a tainted syringe he was put on some strong anti disease meds and it took his level into the 100s but after approx 4 weeks of clomid it was in the 600 range. Seems to definitely work.

Yea, I am really curious as to what it was when they other endo took the test while I was still on it. I was on for more than 4 weeks but have been off. I would LOVE to be in the 600 range.

 

[steelerfan1]

I got the test back at 248 which is higher than the 235 from before and that is also a little over a month of not being on clomid.

Will be interesting to see once you’re back on it. Friend of mine I was talking to about this said when he got stuck by a tainted syringe he was put on some strong anti disease meds and it took his level into the 100s but after approx 4 weeks of clomid it was in the 600 range. Seems to definitely work.

Yea, I am really curious as to what it was when they other endo took the test while I was still on it. I was on for more than 4 weeks but have been off. I would LOVE to be in the 600 range.

You and me both

 

[Terminalxylem]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

 

[steelerfan1]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I don’t think obesity is my specific problem. I’m not shredded by any means but far from obese. I workout 4 days a week, have a good diet and only have a glass of wine on a weekend night. Not sure if you were specifically speaking to me, but wanted to respond if so.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I don’t think obesity is my specific problem. I’m not shredded by any means but far from obese. I workout 4 days a week, have a good diet and only have a glass of wine on a weekend night. Not sure if you were specifically speaking to me, but wanted to respond if so.

I am fat and working on it.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I don’t think obesity is my specific problem. I’m not shredded by any means but far from obese. I workout 4 days a week, have a good diet and only have a glass of wine on a weekend night. Not sure if you were specifically speaking to me, but wanted to respond if so.

I wasn’t speaking to anyone specifically. Just trying to reinforce something I mentioned previously, that sometimes gets lost in people wanting a panacea via testosterone supplementation.

For some people, it’s absolutely necessary. And hypogonadism is fairly common as we age. I‘m just not a fan of self-diagnoses, using arbitrary cut-offs for deficiency, or utilizing predatory, quasi-medical clinics to diagnose and treat “low T”.

 

[quick-hands]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

dang... how old are you if you don't mind me asking.

57 but I've been dealing with it for about 10 years. even did the deep muscle self injections with a 2 inch needle into the thigh.

 

[Chadstroma]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

dang... how old are you if you don't mind me asking.

57 but I've been dealing with it for about 10 years. even did the deep muscle self injections with a 2 inch needle into the thigh.

geez bud. Do they have any ideas on the whys behind all that?

 

[quick-hands]

been on testosterone for about 5 years. when I started my t levels were under 100. I was getting horrid bacterial infections because of the low t.
I'm around low 200s now. but if I increase more than this my liver levels start getting ****ed up and that can lead to blood clots. not looking for a hemorrhage. I get semi annual tests to watch secondary effects.

dang... how old are you if you don't mind me asking.

57 but I've been dealing with it for about 10 years. even did the deep muscle self injections with a 2 inch needle into the thigh.

geez bud. Do they have any ideas on the whys behind all that?

none I'm just lucky.

 

[Chadstroma]

I got my T rest results back the other day.

Up to 530 from the previous 248. So, the clomid appears to be working and the nice thing about it to me is that my body is producing the T. Now will that stop if I stop taking clomid? I dunno. I have a follow up with my Dr in Jan so I believe I will be taking them until then at least.

 

[Chadstroma]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

 

[AAABatteries]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Good luck dude - did it travel from your leg to your lungs?

 

[steelerfan1]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Best of luck Chad. I’m assuming they have you on eliquis? My friend at work had 2 pulmonary embolisms when he was on that when him and his wife were trying to have a baby. I guess that’s a thing. Maybe they oughta let you know about that type of stuff…

 

[Chadstroma]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Best of luck Chad. I’m assuming they have you on eliquis? My friend at work had 2 pulmonary embolisms when he was on that when him and his wife were trying to have a baby. I guess that’s a thing. Maybe they oughta let you know about that type of stuff…

Yes, will be on Elequis.

Ya, I won't ever be taking that again.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Dang. Get well soon Chad

 

[offdee]

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Why exactly did you start using Clomid for low T instead of normal ways? I looked it up and it says its used for women and ovulation to help get pregnant.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Sorry you’re going through this.

But just so people know, venous thromboembolism (VTE, or clots, typically in the legs, which travel to the lungs) is a known risk from testosterone supplementation. It’s also been rarely described in associated with clomiphene, possibly as a consequence of its effects on testosterone production.

It’s thought to be due to testosterone increasing red blood counts/concentration, leading to “sludging” of blood —> clots. One reason it’s important to monitor blood counts/hemoglobin while receiving exogenous testosterone, and not targeting arbitrary high testosterone levels, which likely increases the risk.

What is the risk? About 2-3 X normal:

Main Outcomes and Measures The main outcome in this case-only experiment was first VTE event stratified by the presence or absence of hypogonadism.

Results A total of 39 622 men (mean [SD] age, 57.4 [14.2] years) were enrolled in the study, and 3110 men (7.8%) had evidence of hypogonadism. In age-adjusted models, testosterone therapy use in all case periods was associated with a higher risk of VTE in men with (odds ratio [OR], 2.32; 95% CI, 1.97-2.74) and without (OR, 2.02; 95% CI, 1.47-2.77) hypogonadism. Among men without hypogonadism, the point estimate for testosterone therapy and VTE risk in the 3-month case period was higher for men younger than 65 years (OR, 2.99; 95% CI, 1.91-4.68) than for older men (OR, 1.68; 95% CI, 0.90-3.14), although this interaction was not statistically significant (P = .14).

Conclusions and Relevance Testosterone therapy was associated with an increase in short-term risk for VTE among men with and without hypogonadism, with some evidence that the association was more pronounced among younger men. These findings suggest that caution should be used when prescribing testosterone therapy.

OR = Odds ratio, the likelihood of an event relative to a control group.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Sorry you’re going through this.

But just so people know, venous thromboembolism (VTE, or clots, typically in the legs, which travel to the lungs) is a known risk from testosterone supplementation. It’s also been rarely described in associated with clomiphene, possibly as a consequence of its effects on testosterone production.

It’s thought to be due to testosterone increasing red blood counts/concentration, leading to “sludging” of blood —> clots. One reason it’s important to monitor blood counts/hemoglobin while receiving exogenous testosterone, and not targeting arbitrary high testosterone levels, which likely increases the risk.

What is the risk? About 2-3 X normal:

Main Outcomes and Measures The main outcome in this case-only experiment was first VTE event stratified by the presence or absence of hypogonadism.

Results A total of 39 622 men (mean [SD] age, 57.4 [14.2] years) were enrolled in the study, and 3110 men (7.8%) had evidence of hypogonadism. In age-adjusted models, testosterone therapy use in all case periods was associated with a higher risk of VTE in men with (odds ratio [OR], 2.32; 95% CI, 1.97-2.74) and without (OR, 2.02; 95% CI, 1.47-2.77) hypogonadism. Among men without hypogonadism, the point estimate for testosterone therapy and VTE risk in the 3-month case period was higher for men younger than 65 years (OR, 2.99; 95% CI, 1.91-4.68) than for older men (OR, 1.68; 95% CI, 0.90-3.14), although this interaction was not statistically significant (P = .14).

Conclusions and Relevance Testosterone therapy was associated with an increase in short-term risk for VTE among men with and without hypogonadism, with some evidence that the association was more pronounced among younger men. These findings suggest that caution should be used when prescribing testosterone therapy.

OR = Odds ratio, the likelihood of an event relative to a control group.

Why was he on clomid? Its been a long time since I’ve done a cycle but IIRC, clomid was what I used post cycle.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

@Chadstroma get well soon man.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Sorry you’re going through this.

But just so people know, venous thromboembolism (VTE, or clots, typically in the legs, which travel to the lungs) is a known risk from testosterone supplementation. It’s also been rarely described in associated with clomiphene, possibly as a consequence of its effects on testosterone production.

It’s thought to be due to testosterone increasing red blood counts/concentration, leading to “sludging” of blood —> clots. One reason it’s important to monitor blood counts/hemoglobin while receiving exogenous testosterone, and not targeting arbitrary high testosterone levels, which likely increases the risk.

What is the risk? About 2-3 X normal:

Main Outcomes and Measures The main outcome in this case-only experiment was first VTE event stratified by the presence or absence of hypogonadism.

Results A total of 39 622 men (mean [SD] age, 57.4 [14.2] years) were enrolled in the study, and 3110 men (7.8%) had evidence of hypogonadism. In age-adjusted models, testosterone therapy use in all case periods was associated with a higher risk of VTE in men with (odds ratio [OR], 2.32; 95% CI, 1.97-2.74) and without (OR, 2.02; 95% CI, 1.47-2.77) hypogonadism. Among men without hypogonadism, the point estimate for testosterone therapy and VTE risk in the 3-month case period was higher for men younger than 65 years (OR, 2.99; 95% CI, 1.91-4.68) than for older men (OR, 1.68; 95% CI, 0.90-3.14), although this interaction was not statistically significant (P = .14).

Conclusions and Relevance Testosterone therapy was associated with an increase in short-term risk for VTE among men with and without hypogonadism, with some evidence that the association was more pronounced among younger men. These findings suggest that caution should be used when prescribing testosterone therapy.

OR = Odds ratio, the likelihood of an event relative to a control group.

Why was he on clomid? Its been a long time since I’ve done a cycle but IIRC, clomid was what I used post cycle.

Clomid stimulates the hormone which promotes testosterone production, luteinizing hormone (LH). It isn’t approved for the treatment of low testosterone, but some clinicians prescribe it off-label.

 

[Chadstroma]

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Why exactly did you start using Clomid for low T instead of normal ways? I looked it up and it says its used for women and ovulation to help get pregnant.

My first Endocrinologist prescribed it... I changed Endo's and the second one saw progress with it and no side effects known at the time amd continued it.

It has been cut off now.

 

[Chadstroma]

Well....

I am in the hospital right now. Blood clots. In my leg and lungs.

One of the first things that the ER Dr told me when they confirmed the clots was that I would be stopping the clomid. Blood clots are a side effect of it.

The Dr at the hospital said that likely being overweight (lost weight but still over weight), being sedentary and then the clomid pushed me over to have the clots because otherwise there is no reason for me to have them.

So... maybe not get clomid for anyone with low T.

Sorry you’re going through this.

But just so people know, venous thromboembolism (VTE, or clots, typically in the legs, which travel to the lungs) is a known risk from testosterone supplementation. It’s also been rarely described in associated with clomiphene, possibly as a consequence of its effects on testosterone production.

It’s thought to be due to testosterone increasing red blood counts/concentration, leading to “sludging” of blood —> clots. One reason it’s important to monitor blood counts/hemoglobin while receiving exogenous testosterone, and not targeting arbitrary high testosterone levels, which likely increases the risk.

What is the risk? About 2-3 X normal:

Main Outcomes and Measures The main outcome in this case-only experiment was first VTE event stratified by the presence or absence of hypogonadism.

Results A total of 39 622 men (mean [SD] age, 57.4 [14.2] years) were enrolled in the study, and 3110 men (7.8%) had evidence of hypogonadism. In age-adjusted models, testosterone therapy use in all case periods was associated with a higher risk of VTE in men with (odds ratio [OR], 2.32; 95% CI, 1.97-2.74) and without (OR, 2.02; 95% CI, 1.47-2.77) hypogonadism. Among men without hypogonadism, the point estimate for testosterone therapy and VTE risk in the 3-month case period was higher for men younger than 65 years (OR, 2.99; 95% CI, 1.91-4.68) than for older men (OR, 1.68; 95% CI, 0.90-3.14), although this interaction was not statistically significant (P = .14).

Conclusions and Relevance Testosterone therapy was associated with an increase in short-term risk for VTE among men with and without hypogonadism, with some evidence that the association was more pronounced among younger men. These findings suggest that caution should be used when prescribing testosterone therapy.

OR = Odds ratio, the likelihood of an event relative to a control group.

Blood doc think it is likely a combination of genetics (family history of them), being overweight, being too sedentary and the clomid.... all probably contributing but none being THE reason.

 

[Chadstroma]

@Chadstroma get well soon man.

Feeling better. Pain has gone down a little each day. I was hoping to go home today but then I felt a tinge in my chest and got light headed so they wanted to run another test. Still waiting for that echo cardiogram.... being 6pm now.... prob not leaving tonight either way.

On a bright spot... it has been hottie central today. The girl who took half my blood this morning was attractive, the nursing assistant today is drop dead gorgeous, and the student therapist was a cutie with a great personality. Even the therapist supervising her was attractive. The student therapist... kinda seemed to be flirting or at least flirting back. So that brought my spirits up. (Don't tell the wife)

 

[steelerfan1]

@Chadstroma get well soon man.

Feeling better. Pain has gone down a little each day. I was hoping to go home today but then I felt a tinge in my chest and got light headed so they wanted to run another test. Still waiting for that echo cardiogram.... being 6pm now.... prob not leaving tonight either way.

On a bright spot... it has been hottie central today. The girl who took half my blood this morning was attractive, the nursing assistant today is drop dead gorgeous, and the student therapist was a cutie with a great personality. Even the therapist supervising her was attractive. The student therapist... kinda seemed to be flirting or at least flirting back. So that brought my spirits up. (Don't tell the wife)

Your testosterone seems fine to me…

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

@Chadstroma get well soon man.

Feeling better. Pain has gone down a little each day. I was hoping to go home today but then I felt a tinge in my chest and got light headed so they wanted to run another test. Still waiting for that echo cardiogram.... being 6pm now.... prob not leaving tonight either way.

On a bright spot... it has been hottie central today. The girl who took half my blood this morning was attractive, the nursing assistant today is drop dead gorgeous, and the student therapist was a cutie with a great personality. Even the therapist supervising her was attractive. The student therapist... kinda seemed to be flirting or at least flirting back. So that brought my spirits up. (Don't tell the wife)

Your testosterone seems fine to me…

Laughing emoji response

 

[Zow]

Sorry for a flyby posting in this thread but has anybody used Sigma Testosterone Booster by Gorilla Mind?

My energy and libido is down but I had my physical recently and my test levels aren't low enough to get anything prescribed (general advise was the usual exercise more and eat better). So, I'm just looking for something to boost.

 

[Zow]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I feel personally attacked by this post.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I feel personally attacked by this post.

Laugh emoji

 

[Terminalxylem]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I feel personally attacked by this post.

Laugh emoji

Not trying to attack anyone, though your back-to-back posts illustrate some of my concerns with the “low T” industry.

Low testosterone is certainly common as we age, and can cause many symptoms. But the symptoms are non-specific, and can be due to other medical conditions as well.

Faced with levels that aren’t low enough to qualify for supplementation, rather than modifying our behavior, we want a quick fix, which may or not address the actual problem. But heck, extra testosterone will certainly make you more energetic, and boost libido, nevermind the potential for life-threatening side effects.

If our doctors won’t prescribe it, we’ll go to dubious “men’s health clinics”, who fudge the cut-offs for therapy, likely for financial gain. Or indulge in poorly/non-studied supplements instead.

Rather than going down those paths, why not do stuff which benefits overall health, not just low-ish testosterone, like losing weight, and limiting alcohol consumption?

 

[Major]

Sorry for a flyby posting in this thread but has anybody used Sigma Testosterone Booster by Gorilla Mind?

My energy and libido is down but I had my physical recently and my test levels aren't low enough to get anything prescribed (general advise was the usual exercise more and eat better). So, I'm just looking for something to boost.

I haven't tried it but those test booster supplements are mostly snake oil. Probably better off just burning the obscene amount of money Gorilla Mind is charging. Working out, eating right (high protein diet with an ample amount of eggs) and most importantly proper sleep (7-9 hours/day) are the best ways to naturally boost your test levels imo

 

[offdee]

Sorry for a flyby posting in this thread but has anybody used Sigma Testosterone Booster by Gorilla Mind?

My energy and libido is down but I had my physical recently and my test levels aren't low enough to get anything prescribed (general advise was the usual exercise more and eat better). So, I'm just looking for something to boost.

I haven't tried it but those test booster supplements are mostly snake oil. Probably better off just burning the obscene amount of money Gorilla Mind is charging. Working out, eating right (high protein diet with an ample amount of eggs) and most importantly proper sleep (7-9 hours/day) are the best ways to naturally boost your test levels imo

Zows gonna turn into Frank Thomas.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Thanks for the update chad! Sounds like clomid is the way to go for you.

I had a test level of 432 for the 2nd blood test so i was told there’s nothing he can do for me. When I asked so I just keep feeling like this and having tons of symptoms I’m pretty much out of luck, he directed me back to my PC doc.

have felt like crap for 8 months and I’m getting frustrated to be honest.

Seek another Endo out.

Doctors are people too and a lot of people suck. Some Doctors think they are gods and suck even more for it.

I have talked to two Endocrinologist and another DR who was giving me TRT shots before during a weight loss program and I have got way different information, perspective, etc.

This last one is by far the best. I mean, if you talk to more Doctors and they tell you the same thing... ok, well, if one person calls you an donkey ignore them but then if two call you a donkey, buy a saddle, right?

Obesity is the most important modifiable risk factor for hypogonadism. Fat tissue is metabolically active, producing estrogen, which suppresses testosterone levels. Additionally, fat promotes inflammation, which can cause many of the symptoms misattributed to “low T”.

Weight loss is not easy, nor a quick fix. But achieving a healthy weight should be prioritized for anyone with low/marginal testosterone levels,

I feel personally attacked by this post.

Laugh emoji

Not trying to attack anyone, though your back-to-back posts illustrate some of my concerns with the “low T” industry.

Low testosterone is certainly common as we age, and can cause many symptoms. But the symptoms are non-specific, and can be due to other medical conditions as well.

Faced with levels that aren’t low enough to qualify for supplementation, rather than modifying our behavior, we want a quick fix, which may or not address the actual problem. But heck, extra testosterone will certainly make you more energetic, and boost libido, nevermind the potential for life-threatening side effects.

If our doctors won’t prescribe it, we’ll go to dubious “men’s health clinics”, who fudge the cut-offs for therapy, likely for financial gain. Or indulge in poorly/non-studied supplements instead.

Rather than going down those paths, why not do stuff which benefits overall health, not just low-ish testosterone, like losing weight, and limiting alcohol consumption?

IMHO - You can get lean and mean by eating right and exercising. I’ve done a bunch of 10 week cycles. Always conservative doses. (Like most things, where people go wrong is abusing them by increasing the dose and “stacking”).

That was when I was much younger. At our ages, there is no reason to use them. We’re all too old to be fighting or playing sports at a level that requires them so why use them? Vanity?

I could see an argument for putting an out of shape person who is dedicated to putting in the work on test, to get them on the right path, but I fear lost people will just revert back. It’s a bit like a sugar rush. Helps for a minute, but long term you crash.

Sorry for the ramble, posting and running out the door.

ETA - obviously there are rare situations where person has incredibly low tea and it makes sense but as term says most people don’t know what the **** they’re doing and you could actually let them WRECK your hormones.

 

[AAABatteries]

My wife wants me to have some sort of testosterone extraction treatment. Can't imagine having more.

I don't mean to macho man this mofo up, but I honestly can't wait for the day went my wife walking past me in the living room doesn't give me a boner. Or when a I see a hot girl riding a bike. Or when I see a marginally attractive middle aged woman picking hummus out of her teeth. Or the wind blows.

I'm forty now. It has to happen soon, right? I see these old withered guys in my gym beyond the vanishing point of testosterone production. They sit around with withered balls and don't give a crap about anything. If it were legal, they'd walk around naked in the streets and wave a middle finger at a supermodel if she looked at them wrong. Those guys are free.

Nope - 50 and horny as hell still. And I definitely get the notion that you are looking forward to it. But on the flip side, I’m more worried that it will be a mental challenge.

Just checked my last blood work - 548 level which looks to be average for my age I guess.

 

[Major]

Sorry for a flyby posting in this thread but has anybody used Sigma Testosterone Booster by Gorilla Mind?

My energy and libido is down but I had my physical recently and my test levels aren't low enough to get anything prescribed (general advise was the usual exercise more and eat better). So, I'm just looking for something to boost.

I haven't tried it but those test booster supplements are mostly snake oil. Probably better off just burning the obscene amount of money Gorilla Mind is charging. Working out, eating right (high protein diet with an ample amount of eggs) and most importantly proper sleep (7-9 hours/day) are the best ways to naturally boost your test levels imo

Zows gonna turn into Frank Thomas.

Stack it with some NO Xplode!!!11!!!!!! and my guy will beast

 

[tonysmiles]

Had my bloodwork done in 2020 and my testosterone count was in the 700s now I had my bloodwork done with a new provider 4 years later and my testosterone went up over 130 points and now in my mid 50s. My doctor said I have nothing to worry about because it has not surpassed 1000 but I am under the impression it should naturally decline as I get older.

 

[offdee]

Had my bloodwork done in 2020 and my testosterone count was in the 700s now I had my bloodwork done with a new provider 4 years later and my testosterone went up over 130 points and now in my mid 50s. My doctor said I have nothing to worry about because it has not surpassed 1000 but I am under the impression it should naturally decline as I get older.

You’re just too manly for your own good.