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Texans "may be leaning" towards drafting Young (1 Viewer)

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ESPN's John Clayton believes the Texans "may be leaning" towards drafting Vince Young.Expect a month's worth of rumors like this until Houston decides whether to pick up David Carr's option or not. Jan. 12 - 10:35 pm et Source: ESPN.com

 
It's unusual for Clayton to be this late on a story that John McClain was reporting on Monday.

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I've been away for a week, so forgive me if my question and comment are hondas.The question:

Wouldn't it be peculiar for the Texans to draft Young when it's been reported that they will make another significant financial committment to Carr?

The comment:

I heard Mort on Dan Patrick's radio show last week. He related, in the strongest way possible, that Young is nowhere close to Leinart in the race to be the #1 QB off the board. Mort claims that he spoke to "several" GMs, and none of them would draft Young ahead of Leinart -- and many would draft Cutler before him. These comments came after the Rose Bowl, BTW. So what has changed?

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.
Agree 100%. Honestly, as much as I want the Titans to end up w/ Young (as a fan), I think the safest bet in the top 3 is Leinart. Regardless, Young has the most upside of the group b/c of the position he plays and the ability he has shown. Does he have weaknesses? Oh yeah. BUt he also has pronounced strengths that are going to be tough to pass. It's kind of like passing on a 7 footer at the top of the NBA draft.
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.
Agree 100%. Honestly, as much as I want the Titans to end up w/ Young (as a fan), I think the safest bet in the top 3 is Leinart. Regardless, Young has the most upside of the group b/c of the position he plays and the ability he has shown. Does he have weaknesses? Oh yeah. BUt he also has pronounced strengths that are going to be tough to pass. It's kind of like passing on a 7 footer at the top of the NBA draft.
I often hear Young described as "Michael Vick with more upside." Not sure I agree with that. Vick is much faster and more nifty than Young. Vick's arm is stronger, but I think Young has superior accuracy. I hear ya about his potential, however. It's the same reason he'll be hard for me to pass up in dynasty drafts. What if he is another Randall Cunningham. R.C. led all of my leagues in points scored when he was ripping it up... air and ground.

 
He's not Michael Vick with more upside. That's just people being lazy. Not to sound harsh, but that's a convenient analogy and it's just plain wrong.At his best, he'll be Jeff Garcia of 2000-2002 with mcuh better size, Steve McNair 2000-2002.He's not going to be the most exciting QB you ever saw. But he will have a high completion % and rating and he'll win games.Colin

 
Houston is hinting that they'll take Young #1 overall? There's a shocker. They're just trying to create interest in their draft pick, to raise the price for it.Remember last year, when Miami was going to draft Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, AND Braylon Edwards with its draft pick? Same deal. They're just throwing out a lot of smokescreens to maximize the value of their pick in a trade, if it comes to it.

 
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.

 
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Reeves was brought in as a consultant to evaluate personnel, and he gave Carr a very positive report card. He did draft Michael Vick and play with Roger Staubach, so you know he appreciates a QB with wheels...
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.
Let me ask? Don’t they run the same risk of “setting the franchise back a couple of years” if they pick up Carr’s option and he turns out not to be the franchise QB they think he is? I believe the option is to pay Carr 15 M over 2 year or 21 M over 3. If they don’t make major improvements to the O-line, Carr’s progress is going to be limited anyways. I know that the Texan's have all but decided to pick up Carr's option but I still think it is a bad idea.

 
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Reeves was brought in as a consultant to evaluate personnel, and he gave Carr a very positive report card. He did draft Michael Vick and play with Roger Staubach, so you know he appreciates a QB with wheels...
Plus he made 3 superbowls with Elway, the most successful scrambling QB in history.
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.
I think Kubiak has his priorities in the right order. If you average their points ranking and yardage ranking, Denver's offense has finished 6, 2.5, 1, 2.5, 15.5, 2, 16, 5, 9, 7, and 5.5 under Kubiak's stewardship. He's put up stellar numbers with John Elway, Brian Griese, and Jake Plummer, Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin, Ron Dayne, Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell. The one constant on the offense (other than Rod Smith) has been a stellar offensive line, with stalwarts like Lepsis and Nalen (two of the VERY BEST in the business at their respective positions), HoFers like Zimmerman, and up-and-comers like Ben Hamilton and George Foster. Denver leads the league in % of its cap devoted to the offensive line, and as a result, put up one of the best offenses in the entire NFL with just a single true pro-bowler. In addition, rumor has it that if he DOES go to the Texans, he's taking Denver OL coach Rick Dennison with him to be his offensive coordinator. I firmly believe that Kubiak is the PERFECT fit for Houston (much as I hate to see him go), because he's not going to keep going for flash. He puts an emphasis on substance, on building a team from the line up, and on remaining committed to fundamentally sound football. I would honestly be surprised to see Houston wind up drafting Bush if Kubiak has any say at all in personnel matters.That said, does anyone know how Houston is dividing up personnel powers? Are they giving Kubiak final say, are they hiring a GM, what?

 
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Reeves was brought in as a consultant to evaluate personnel, and he gave Carr a very positive report card. He did draft Michael Vick and play with Roger Staubach, so you know he appreciates a QB with wheels...
Plus he made 3 superbowls with Elway, the most successful scrambling QB in history.
ESPN also just reported that Gary Kubiak likes Carr. I still think the Texans can win with Carr and D.Davis if they improve the surrounding talent. If someone offers them a great package for the #1 pick, I'd seriously consider moving down.
I think Kubiak has his priorities in the right order. If you average their points ranking and yardage ranking, Denver's offense has finished 6, 2.5, 1, 2.5, 15.5, 2, 16, 5, 9, 7, and 5.5 under Kubiak's stewardship. He's put up stellar numbers with John Elway, Brian Griese, and Jake Plummer, Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin, Ron Dayne, Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell. The one constant on the offense (other than Rod Smith) has been a stellar offensive line, with stalwarts like Lepsis and Nalen (two of the VERY BEST in the business at their respective positions), HoFers like Zimmerman, and up-and-comers like Ben Hamilton and George Foster. Denver leads the league in % of its cap devoted to the offensive line, and as a result, put up one of the best offenses in the entire NFL with just a single true pro-bowler. In addition, rumor has it that if he DOES go to the Texans, he's taking Denver OL coach Rick Dennison with him to be his offensive coordinator. I firmly believe that Kubiak is the PERFECT fit for Houston (much as I hate to see him go), because he's not going to keep going for flash. He puts an emphasis on substance, on building a team from the line up, and on remaining committed to fundamentally sound football. I would honestly be surprised to see Houston wind up drafting Bush if Kubiak has any say at all in personnel matters.That said, does anyone know how Houston is dividing up personnel powers? Are they giving Kubiak final say, are they hiring a GM, what?
Charlie Casserly is still very much the GM. Hes looking to save his job, and will very much be in favor of drafting Bush, considering he almost got canned this year.
 
Charlie Casserly is still very much the GM. Hes looking to save his job, and will very much be in favor of drafting Bush, considering he almost got canned this year.
Bad news for Houston.Seriously, the guy's had 4 years to get an offensive line. FOUR YEARS. If he makes it five years without signing a single quality lineman, he deserves to be fired before the season even starts.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.
Agree 100%. Honestly, as much as I want the Titans to end up w/ Young (as a fan), I think the safest bet in the top 3 is Leinart. Regardless, Young has the most upside of the group b/c of the position he plays and the ability he has shown. Does he have weaknesses? Oh yeah. BUt he also has pronounced strengths that are going to be tough to pass. It's kind of like passing on a 7 footer at the top of the NBA draft.
Good analogy.Made me think of Darko Millicic. Cleveland never should've passed on him.

 
Yeah, just like it was a good thing for Portland they already had a shooting guard in Clyde Drexler so they could take that 7 footer in Sam Bowie. That Jordan guy would have just complicated things :)

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
I agree. Houston has a serious question to ask itself regarding the business side of drafting Young or keeping Carr. It's not exactly like Carr is winning games and selling out that stadium now. I'm sure Texans fans will give the team a couple more years if Young is drafted. Not sure how patient they will be with David Carr at this rate.
 
If Houston drafts VY #1 they are dumber than a box of hammers.
:goodposting: Seriously, that would make no sense. None. Zero.

They'd be starting over again. But worse, they'd be starting over again the same way they started the first time.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
You sure about that?
SOLELY because he will fill the stadium? Yes... I'm sure.Because, as I stated, if Young can't play, not only will you have set the franchise back a few years, but the people will no longer come to see a bad team play.
Agree 100%. Honestly, as much as I want the Titans to end up w/ Young (as a fan), I think the safest bet in the top 3 is Leinart. Regardless, Young has the most upside of the group b/c of the position he plays and the ability he has shown. Does he have weaknesses? Oh yeah. BUt he also has pronounced strengths that are going to be tough to pass. It's kind of like passing on a 7 footer at the top of the NBA draft.
The Clippers passed on Mike Bibby to take a 7 footer in the draft and ended up with Michael Olowokandi. Just cuz hes tall doesn't mean he can play.When I look at Young I see a tall Vick without the speed and a very lofted passing style that works well against college secondarys, but will probably get taken to the house by an NFL cornerback.

I think Houston would be fools to take him with the #1, but if they can deal that pick and get some OL help, drop back to #3 or #4 and then get a 4th rounder then taking Young at that spot would make sense. Heck, I think the #3 pick is the one to have. Take whoever slides to you of Leinhart, Young or Bush.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sounds great, except for the missing O-Line. The next title we'll see is "Young getting sacked 50 times", followed by "Young sidelined for the season", & concluded by"Whatever happened to Young?"I like the kid. I think he has great potenital, but I also think he needs to ride the pine a year or two, learn from a Vet while a team rebuilds it line to protect him.

If Huoston does that, he has a good chance.

 
I get a kick out of you guys everyday due to your speculations on what the Texans are going to do. Nobody knows until we get Kubiak in here. Just yesterday Charlie Casserly was doing an interview with ESPNnews by phone. He was asked a question about which way the Texans were leaning going into the draft and he flat out said that he was not going to give them a hint (did you catch that part?). No decision would be made until a HC was in place (Kubiak) and that this HC would have a major play in what to do with the #1 pick.I love all these so called football experts that say we are drafting Vince Young........Charlie also said that although Young has good upside, ONE GAME does not make a career (vs USC). He was excited for Vince, but the Rose Bowl did not change how they perceived Vince. To me, that does not sound like he was a projected #1 overall pick.We won't really know until Kubiak gets here and see what he does with the #1.......... :shrug:

 
On the flip side, I really like the hiring of Kubiak. He seems like a good hire.BTW - I have a new sig.

 
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Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....
All of that is very nice, but it won't last if he sucks and Houston continues to lose.Misguided is the GM who drafts a player mainly because he will fill the stadium.
And Casserly is already on thin ice there. That's why I don't buy the Texans drafting Young at #1 overall. Now, trading down a few spots for extra picks maybe, but not #1 overall.
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
Dallas and Houston are sworn enemies when it comes to sports. Cowboy fans loyal and would never, ever side with anything the says Houston. I may be in the minority when it comes to this but, I don't believe that the stadium will sell out even if they did draft Young and here's why.

Houston lost the Oilers which are now the Titans (no longer in Texas), why is this?

Several years back I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the NBA finals and the games were blacked out because there wasn't enough tickets sold. What? Are you kidding me? That team was one of the most exciting teams to watch. I couldn't believe it, but hey, we are talking about Houston. ;)

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
So in essence you think it's smart for the Texans to Trade QB David Carr AND RB Reggie Bush for QB Vince Young? That's basically what it would boil down to, and there's no way the Texans' are THAT dumb.RW

 
Just my $.02, I'm not following all the mentions of worthless 7-footers. While Colin did use that as an analogy, I think it's being stretched beyond reason when people are ignoring that VY happens to be an electric player in his own right. This isn't Olowokandi vs. Bibby; if anything it's McNabb vs. Ricky Williams. VY has shown he's a true leader who can take a team on his back under great pressure. Also, the defiance in regards to displacing Carr can easily be turned around by pointing to Dom Davis, whom the Texans made a large financial commitment to last offseason, and for good reason. I'd argue DD is has proven to be more competent at his position than Carr has at QB, and all the Texans need is a situational power back to complement DD and solidify the RB position. IMHO this discussion starts and ends by looking at which position, RB or QB, the Texans are better served upgrading. Secondly, looking at which player, Carr or DD, they have a better ability to trade.

 
Yeah, just like it was a good thing for Portland they already had a shooting guard in Clyde Drexler so they could take that 7 footer in Sam Bowie. That Jordan guy would have just complicated things :)
:thumbdown: Always with the Bowie vs. Jordan thing, huh?

Sometimes picking the 7 footer works. Gee, do you think that Houston made a bad choice taking Yao over Jay Williams? San Antonio probably should have passed on Duncan and taken Keith Van Horn. In 1992, I think Orlando and Charlotte really should have passed on Shaq and Mourning and taking Jimmy Jackson the highest drafted non 7 footer. San Antonio did make its first mistake taking David Robinson over Dennis Hopson. Waymon Tisdale would have been a much better franchise pick than Patrick Ewing.

OK, I am done looking at the NBA Draft History, but the Jordan analogy gets old because as many mistake 7 footer picks as there are, there are just as many HOF 7 footers taken at the top of the draft.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program. Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston." Local team has done nothing right in 4 years. Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning. Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
EXACTLY! :thumbup:
 
Just my $.02, I'm not following all the mentions of worthless 7-footers. While Colin did use that as an analogy, I think it's being stretched beyond reason when people are ignoring that VY happens to be an electric player in his own right. This isn't Olowokandi vs. Bibby; if anything it's McNabb vs. Ricky Williams. VY has shown he's a true leader who can take a team on his back under great pressure. Also, the defiance in regards to displacing Carr can easily be turned around by pointing to Dom Davis, whom the Texans made a large financial commitment to last offseason, and for good reason. I'd argue DD is has proven to be more competent at his position than Carr has at QB, and all the Texans need is a situational power back to complement DD and solidify the RB position. IMHO this discussion starts and ends by looking at which position, RB or QB, the Texans are better served upgrading. Secondly, looking at which player, Carr or DD, they have a better ability to trade.
:goodposting: For every draft situation, there is a corresponding opposite one that can also be referenced. I can't stand when people point to one year and ignore others where the opposite was true.

Until 5 years down the road, we won't have any idea whether VY or Bush was the better pick.

 
Colin, it was mentioned on this board that Houston is sold out for the next ten years or something, so Young does nothing for ticket sales. Merchandise is another matter.Now, that being said, a smart GM who looks at this team doesn't see it's troubles being QB or RB, but rather O Line. If the texans had the 5th pick, no one would argue a D'brickshaw pick. In my mind, this is what the texans SHOULD do.Trade Dom Davis for a pick (if they can). 2nd or 3rd rounder if possible.Trade Carr or restructure that bonus. again a first day pick.You can do either of these, and maybe both. Either is more likely. With Palmer and Brees shelved at the moment by surgery, the QB pool shrunk a little. If Edge Bolts, Dom Davis could be a nice fit in indy. The texans need picks. Trade down if possible and load up. I still think reggie bush is the best player out there, but one RB will not solve the texan woes.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
So, is this a significant number of fans? :popcorn:
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
Dallas and Houston are sworn enemies when it comes to sports. Cowboy fans loyal and would never, ever side with anything the says Houston. I may be in the minority when it comes to this but, I don't believe that the stadium will sell out even if they did draft Young and here's why.

Houston lost the Oilers which are now the Titans (no longer in Texas), why is this?

Several years back I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the NBA finals and the games were blacked out because there wasn't enough tickets sold. What? Are you kidding me? That team was one of the most exciting teams to watch. I couldn't believe it, but hey, we are talking about Houston. ;)
Sorry, but the games are sold-out way into the future. There is a quite lengthy waiting list for season tickets infact. Why did Houston lose the Oilers? Bud Adams. He forced his hand by demanding a new stadium, to be paid for by taxpayer dollars, for a team he barely invested in and was continually leading the league for lowest payroll. The Rockets games were never blacked out during their competative years, or ever for that matter. I do not recall them blacking out basketball games for lack of sell-outs like they do the NFL. All the argumants of who the Texans will take is really getting quite old. I see it more as a win win situation. All three options would have great positives for the Texans. If Bush is drafted, cool. If VY is drafted, cool. If we trade down, stock pile some talent, coach up the players we have, cool. I'd rather put this decision in the hands of NFL people who had this team as an up and coming team going into this past season. Texans fans had been complaining about the play calling for three years now. This year was the justification of the complaints.
 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
Dallas and Houston are sworn enemies when it comes to sports. Cowboy fans loyal and would never, ever side with anything the says Houston. I may be in the minority when it comes to this but, I don't believe that the stadium will sell out even if they did draft Young and here's why.

Houston lost the Oilers which are now the Titans (no longer in Texas), why is this?

Several years back I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the NBA finals and the games were blacked out because there wasn't enough tickets sold. What? Are you kidding me? That team was one of the most exciting teams to watch. I couldn't believe it, but hey, we are talking about Houston. ;)
Sorry, but the games are sold-out way into the future. There is a quite lengthy waiting list for season tickets infact. Why did Houston lose the Oilers? Bud Adams. He forced his hand by demanding a new stadium, to be paid for by taxpayer dollars, for a team he barely invested in and was continually leading the league for lowest payroll. The Rockets games were never blacked out during their competative years, or ever for that matter. I do not recall them blacking out basketball games for lack of sell-outs like they do the NFL. All the argumants of who the Texans will take is really getting quite old. I see it more as a win win situation. All three options would have great positives for the Texans. If Bush is drafted, cool. If VY is drafted, cool. If we trade down, stock pile some talent, coach up the players we have, cool. I'd rather put this decision in the hands of NFL people who had this team as an up and coming team going into this past season. Texans fans had been complaining about the play calling for three years now. This year was the justification of the complaints.
Good post and you make some valid arguments, but I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the finals and I could not watch the game because it was blacked out, this is not my opinion, this is a fact.
 
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As I mentioned...straight from John McClain...Houston may take him for yet another reason...and people will downplay this...but McNair (not Steve...) would not want to pass on Young and let Bud Adams nab him...only to see Young twice a year whipping the Texans.

 
Regardless of Carr, the stars could not be better aligned with regard to the Texans and Young.

Local kid leaves town and wins the national title for the state's proud program.  Local kid returns home and openly says, "I love my city, I'd love to play in Houston."  Local team has done nothing right in 4 years.  Local team needs a shot of energy to tell their fans they are serious about winning.  Local team can steal every Texas bandwagon Dallas Cowboy fan with a single draft pick, increase ticket sales, and have a top-5 selling jersey on NFL.com by May 1.....

The "David Carr Problem" can easily be solved considering all the beneftis of drafting Young.
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
Dallas and Houston are sworn enemies when it comes to sports. Cowboy fans loyal and would never, ever side with anything the says Houston. I may be in the minority when it comes to this but, I don't believe that the stadium will sell out even if they did draft Young and here's why.

Houston lost the Oilers which are now the Titans (no longer in Texas), why is this?

Several years back I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the NBA finals and the games were blacked out because there wasn't enough tickets sold. What? Are you kidding me? That team was one of the most exciting teams to watch. I couldn't believe it, but hey, we are talking about Houston. ;)
Sorry, but the games are sold-out way into the future. There is a quite lengthy waiting list for season tickets infact. Why did Houston lose the Oilers? Bud Adams. He forced his hand by demanding a new stadium, to be paid for by taxpayer dollars, for a team he barely invested in and was continually leading the league for lowest payroll. The Rockets games were never blacked out during their competative years, or ever for that matter. I do not recall them blacking out basketball games for lack of sell-outs like they do the NFL. All the argumants of who the Texans will take is really getting quite old. I see it more as a win win situation. All three options would have great positives for the Texans. If Bush is drafted, cool. If VY is drafted, cool. If we trade down, stock pile some talent, coach up the players we have, cool. I'd rather put this decision in the hands of NFL people who had this team as an up and coming team going into this past season. Texans fans had been complaining about the play calling for three years now. This year was the justification of the complaints.
Good post and you make some valid arguments, but I was in Houston when the Rockets were in the finals and I could not watch the game because it was blacked out, this is not my opinion, this is a fact.
As was I, watched and VHSed (no TiVo then) every game of both playoff-championship runs. :confused: Not all were on ABC (maybe NBC, do not recall) but we have them all.
 
Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
I understand the point you are making but in the case of V. Young, the Great State of Texas and the hypothetical of him being drafted by Houston you are completely wrong.Houston is equally Longhorn and Aggie country. So to answer your question, no, Longhorn country is not outside of Houston. Houston is very much a Longhorn city. It is one of the state's largest cities and it is full of tea sippers....sorry, Longhorn, but I could not help myself. No, not all Longhorn fans are exclusive Cowboy fans. Longhorn fans do cheer for the Texans in certain parts of the state. Attending UT does not mean you automatically join the legions of Cowboy fans in the state. Young reached state hero/icon status last Wednesday night. People that do not live here have no idea what is is like or what that means. I said it in another thread but Young could do anything outside the law anywhere in the state but College Station and get away with it right now. Thus, Young is far beyond your average, home town kid that has made good. In most people's eyes Young walks on water right about now. I feel the Texans should make every effort to trade down, given all the team needs, but passing on Young is not as easy as folks are making it seem, given what Young could potentially mean to that franchise. The business side of the equation, which is as important as winning football games, is going to be something hard for McNair and Co. to ignore. Fighting for football dollars is a constant battle, as the Cowboys and Texans compete against UT, A&M and local high schools for people's attention and money. Young would be a tremendous boost to the Texans in terms of finances. Then, there is the on the field matter of playing games and Young's ability to impact that situation is very much debatable. As far as Casserly, I say his power was cut in half, if not taken away completely, with the hiring of Reeves as a consultant. Casserly is a lame duck at this point and I'd say Reeves probably has McNair's ear and audience.
 
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Sorry Colin but I have to disagree. Isn't Longhorn country actually on the other side of Texas than Houston? Aren't most longhorn fans Cowboy fans. And don't the Cowboys and the Texans hate each other. My point is this.... I live in Illinios, between Chicago and St. Louis, even thought there are close I'm a die hard Cardinal fans and can't stand the cubs. If a kid was raised in Chi-town and went to the Cubs minor league system and then we got him... It wouldn't be anyhting special even though he could be considered a "Home Town Kid." I think you'll get your wish by having Young available for your Titans at #3.
I understand the point you are making but in the case of V. Young, the Great State of Texas and the hypothetical of him being drafted by Houston you are completely wrong.Houston is equally Longhorn and Aggie country. So to answer your question, no, Longhorn country is not outside of Houston. Houston is very much a Longhorn city. It is one of the state's largest cities and it is full of tea sippers....sorry, Longhorn, but I could not help myself.

No, not all Longhorn fans are exclusive Cowboy fans. Longhorn fans do cheer for the Texans in certain parts of the state. Attending UT does not mean you automatically join the legions of Cowboy fans in the state.

Young reached state hero/icon status last Wednesday night. People that do not live here have no idea what is is like or what that means. I said it in another thread but Young could do anything outside the law anywhere in the state but College Station and get away with it right now. Thus, Young is far beyond your average, home town kid that has made good. In most people's eyes Young walks on water right about now.

I feel the Texans should make every effort to trade down, given all the team needs, but passing on Young is not as easy as folks are making it seem, given what Young could potentially mean to that franchise. The business side of the equation, which is as important as winning football games, is going to be something hard for McNair and Co. to ignore. Fighting for football dollars is a constant battle, as the Cowboys and Texans compete against UT, A&M and local high schools for people's attention and money. Young would be a tremendous boost to the Texans in terms of finances. Then, there is the on the field matter of playing games and Young's ability to impact that situation is very much debatable.

As far as Casserly, I say his power was cut in half, if not taken away completely, with the hiring of Reeves as a consultant. Casserly is a lame duck at this point and I'd say Reeves probably has McNair's ear and audience.
Taking young, is a HUGE risk. No matter how in love people are with the guy. Bush is a pretty sure thing. The Texans don't need and really can't take on yet more "potential" They need a sure fire hit. Bush is it. Young isn't even in the picture IMO. If the Titans don't take him, he will drop like panties on prom night.

 
I think you all play too many video games in dynasty mode.

Trades are not that easy to pull of in the NFL.
I actually think this is a misconception. I can't remember who I discussed this with and still had a difference of opinion on this, but the end result was that 1 of the top 10 picks was traded on average almost 2 times every year.For example 2005 - #7 Williamson, 2004 #1 Manning, #4 Rivers, #6 Winslow and #7 Williams, 2003 - #4 Robertson and #6 Sullivan, 2002 #6 Sims and #8 Williams, 2001 - #1 Vick, #5 Tomlinson, #7 Carter, #9 Robinson and #10 Reynolds. I stopped at 2000, because although a few of the top 10 picks were traded, I didn't know if they were picks traded in previous years.

To me this is a significant number of guys picked in the top 10, including the #1 twice, in the last 5 years that have been traded.

 
I think you all play too many video games in dynasty mode.

Trades are not that easy to pull of in the NFL.
I actually think this is a misconception. I can't remember who I discussed this with and still had a difference of opinion on this, but the end result was that 1 of the top 10 picks was traded on average almost 2 times every year.For example 2005 - #7 Williamson, 2004 #1 Manning, #4 Rivers, #6 Winslow and #7 Williams, 2003 - #4 Robertson and #6 Sullivan, 2002 #6 Sims and #8 Williams, 2001 - #1 Vick, #5 Tomlinson, #7 Carter, #9 Robinson and #10 Reynolds. I stopped at 2000, because although a few of the top 10 picks were traded, I didn't know if they were picks traded in previous years.

To me this is a significant number of guys picked in the top 10, including the #1 twice, in the last 5 years that have been traded.
I wasn't talking so much about the picks as the players. Moving picks does happen, like you've outlined, but player movement is rare.
 
Taking young, is a HUGE risk.
And I do not disagree but I think some people are making some very quick assumptions about the Texans perceived interest in Young. There is a LOT of time before now and April. The Texans are starting to posture and position themselves and their #1 pick but I say there will be more than a light flirtation with drafting Young from the Texans camp.
 

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