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Texans RB situation and implications (real-world and fantasy) (1 Viewer)

nobiz

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Real-world, they are on Bye, fortunately, but they are down to Ray Graham on their practice squad now. Normally, it's a high-profile situation, but with their weaker line play I'm not sure they can be considered a team that innately runs the ball a lot more than others. With Foster, of course, and with Schaub, yes, but now I wonder if they might go spread offense with Keenum, the style he played in college? I can't see them trading for a good RB since with so many injuries fewer will be available, and they won't want to pay up, and I don't know which FA is available (Redman?).

From a fantasy perspective, I can see this elevating Keenum in 2QB leagues (which I play in), and Hopkins as well. The smart thing to do would be to go spread.

 
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.

 
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The RB if versatile could still be successful I would think. I like Grahams chances of getting on the field later in the season if they are in evaluation mode. But sounds like Foster and Tate will be fine after the bye?

 
Any word on how Graham is looking these days? Was awesome in college but never looked anywhere near the same after his injury.

 
Any word on how Graham is looking these days? Was awesome in college but never looked anywhere near the same after his injury.
(ignore: He looks incredibly soft- has no presence and does not come and get the ball.)

APOLOGY: I thought this referrred to Garrett Graham. As to Ray Graham, I'd heard he made a decent recovery but he ran a 4.80 at the combine so nobody got near him in the draft.

 
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qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".

 
jsharlan said:
Foster and Tate will both be active week 9.
Think this is correct.

To the person asking about graham, I know a lot of people who predict rookies really were surprised he was not drafted and thought he was a sneaky sleeper type in dyno leagues but in the preseason when he had a chance, he was hit and miss. They clearly liked him him better in the various aspects such as blocking, etc in pre-season but then, at the very end, they went with cierre so I think, all in all, these two guys were probably not that different so the result wouldn't be that different now.

But, in the end, you have to think that if Foster is ok, then it will be him and Tate will play with one of those jackets and tolerate the pain. Probably not much to see here fantasy wise unless Foster can't go.

In real life, this is a lost season. The hits on defense will sink what was already listless.

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Ok, we'll see in 2 weeks

 
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Tate played through his injury when it happened - They knew the issue when he went back into the game - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742/ben-tate

Find it hard to believe that he'll miss a game two weeks later after playing through it when it happened.

Foster's situation I don't think we have as much info to go on.
happens all the time ... See Jimmy Graham
Jimmy Graham came back in for 3 snaps and then left for good.

Ben Tate continued to carry the ball after his. Comparing apples to oranges

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000266413/article/arian-foster-hamstring-out-for-houston-texans
This a link to the original game injury. Since then it has been called "day to day" by the head coach, and the player himself expressed it as "not a big deal". I ask again, where did you hear that Foster has gotten worse since the game?

 
RUSF18 said:
Any word on how Graham is looking these days? Was awesome in college but never looked anywhere near the same after his injury.
In preseason you had Foster and Tate, and then Cierre Wood, Dennis Johnson and Deji Karim competing for the 3rd spot. Graham never seemed to be in the mix, was a bit of a surprise from that standpoint that he made the practice squad. Didn't really get to see enough of him in the NFL to give much of a judgment.

 
Tate played through his injury when it happened - They knew the issue when he went back into the game - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742/ben-tate

Find it hard to believe that he'll miss a game two weeks later after playing through it when it happened.

Foster's situation I don't think we have as much info to go on.
happens all the time ... See Jimmy Graham
Jimmy Graham came back in for 3 snaps and then left for good.

Ben Tate continued to carry the ball after his. Comparing apples to oranges
OK See Brandon Jacobs ... and there are many more but you will have to look them up yourself

It happens all the time

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000266413/article/arian-foster-hamstring-out-for-houston-texans
This a link to the original game injury. Since then it has been called "day to day" by the head coach, and the player himself expressed it as "not a big deal". I ask again, where did you hear that Foster has gotten worse since the game?
I didn't say it got much worse after ... it got much worse during the game. He was in street clothes during the game and after said "It doesn't seem too severe right now, so we will just play it out. I have a bye week coming. It's tough."



The use of the word "severe" is not good and "It's tough" sound like he is frustrated.

Brandon Jacobs played through it ... had 11 days rest and didn't even dress for the next game.

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000266413/article/arian-foster-hamstring-out-for-houston-texans
This a link to the original game injury. Since then it has been called "day to day" by the head coach, and the player himself expressed it as "not a big deal". I ask again, where did you hear that Foster has gotten worse since the game?
I didn't say it got much worse after ... it got much worse during the game. He was in street clothes during the game and after said "It doesn't seem too severe right now, so we will just play it out. I have a bye week coming. It's tough."



The use of the word "severe" is not good and "It's tough" sound like he is frustrated.

Brandon Jacobs played through it ... had 11 days rest and didn't even dress for the next game.
I think him saying it is not severe would be a good thing. Not a not good thing.

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000266413/article/arian-foster-hamstring-out-for-houston-texans
This a link to the original game injury. Since then it has been called "day to day" by the head coach, and the player himself expressed it as "not a big deal". I ask again, where did you hear that Foster has gotten worse since the game?
I didn't say it got much worse after ... it got much worse during the game. He was in street clothes during the game and after said "It doesn't seem too severe right now, so we will just play it out. I have a bye week coming. It's tough."



The use of the word "severe" is not good and "It's tough" sound like he is frustrated.

Brandon Jacobs played through it ... had 11 days rest and didn't even dress for the next game.
I think him saying it is not severe would be a good thing. Not a not good thing.
Yeah but he didn't ... He said "It doesn't seem too severe" ... maybe mildly severe?

That still doesnt sound good

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Provide a link of any source that says Foster's hamstring "got much worse".
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000266413/article/arian-foster-hamstring-out-for-houston-texans
This a link to the original game injury. Since then it has been called "day to day" by the head coach, and the player himself expressed it as "not a big deal". I ask again, where did you hear that Foster has gotten worse since the game?
I didn't say it got much worse after ... it got much worse during the game. He was in street clothes during the game and after said "It doesn't seem too severe right now, so we will just play it out. I have a bye week coming. It's tough."



The use of the word "severe" is not good and "It's tough" sound like he is frustrated.

Brandon Jacobs played through it ... had 11 days rest and didn't even dress for the next game.
I think him saying it is not severe would be a good thing. Not a not good thing.
Yeah but he didn't ... He said "It doesn't seem too severe" ... maybe mildly severe?

That still doesnt sound good
Mildly severe would be a confusing oxymoron, and I don't think that was his intention in the language he used. How I read it would be to replace severe with "bad." If he said, "It doesn't seem too bad right now, so we will just play it out", then I don't think there would be as much reading into it. Severe just freaks people out. I think the coach saying he is day-to-day is a good sign, as opposed to when Steven Jackson hurt his hamstring and was ruled out rather quickly for 4-6 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if he sat out Week 9, but I don't think it'll be much longer past that. That being said, everything is pure speculation at this point until we hear something more definitive or begin seeing practice reports.

 
Tate played through his injury when it happened - They knew the issue when he went back into the game - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742/ben-tate

Find it hard to believe that he'll miss a game two weeks later after playing through it when it happened.

Foster's situation I don't think we have as much info to go on.
happens all the time ... See Jimmy Graham
Jimmy Graham came back in for 3 snaps and then left for good.

Ben Tate continued to carry the ball after his. Comparing apples to oranges
OK See Brandon Jacobs ... and there are many more but you will have to look them up yourself

It happens all the time
Really bad posting here - can't tell if you are on a phishing trip or just severely misguided.

 
Fractured ribs is almost always an issue of pain management. If he can tolerate the pain he'll go but how effective he'll actually be is anyone's guess. The last time I remember a player missing a week due to a rib injury was Gates last year.

People in here comparing rib injuries to lower body injuries are misinformed.

As for Fosters injury, everything up to this point is indeed pure speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back after the bye, nor would I be surprised if he was held out for a couple weeks.

 
qimqam said:
Young 8 said:
Maybe I missing something here but I'm pretty sure Foster and/or Tate will be ready after the bye.
There's a very good chance that you are...

Foster's hamstring got much worse

Ben Tate has 4 fractured ribs
Tate should be able to play, and being his contract yr he should go out and make a statement .

Pretty much know whats going to happen with Foster, won't practice at all prior to the game or get in a very limited one before hand.... he'll tell us hes fine and we'll get blips of coach speak all week. I say there is a slightly less than 50% chance Foster plays and misses 2 games. Just going off my gut here.

 
So much nonsense from people who either don't follow the team or are fans who can't be objective (I follow them and am objective):

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742/ben-tate

The Houston Chronicle believes there's a "good chance" Ben Tate (broken ribs) "won't be healthy the rest of the season."

The Chronicle is skeptical Tate will play against the Colts after Houston's Week 8 bye. These are all logical deductions considering Tate's four broken ribs. Tate did return to last Sunday's loss to Kansas City following the injury, but only as a "decoy," and only because the Texans were fresh out of running backs. They only had Tate and Arian Foster (hamstring) active for the game. Oct 25 - 9:17 AM

 
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So much nonsense from people who either don't follow the team or are fans who can't be objective (I follow them and am objective):

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742/ben-tate

The Houston Chronicle believes there's a "good chance" Ben Tate (broken ribs) "won't be healthy the rest of the season."

The Chronicle is skeptical Tate will play against the Colts after Houston's Week 8 bye. These are all logical deductions considering Tate's four broken ribs. Tate did return to last Sunday's loss to Kansas City following the injury, but only as a "decoy," and only because the Texans were fresh out of running backs. They only had Tate and Arian Foster (hamstring) active for the game. Oct 25 - 9:17 AM
I dunno if you can criticize fans for not being objective, and then post a rotoworld blurb to back you up.

 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/21/ben-tate-has-four-broken-ribs/

Houston (CBS Houston) - Texans running back Ben Tate has four broken ribs, according to Kristie Rieken of AP. Tate became the number one running back after Arian Foster left Sunday’s game with a hamstring injury.

Tate is expected to be ready when the Texans play the Colts after their by week. The Texans are now thin at running back after releasing Cierre Wood.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/after-waiving-cierre-wood-texans-in-market-for-third-running-back/

After waiving Cierre Wood, Texans in market for third running backWith rookie free-agent running back Cierre Wood being placed on waivers today, the Texans will be looking for a third running back to play behind Arian Foster and Ben Tate, both of whom were injured in Sunday’s 17-16 loss at Kansas City.

Foster is out with a hamstring injury. He said he should be able to play in two weeks against Indianapolis. Tate has bruised ribs. He left Sunday’s game but returned.

The Texans have another undrafted rookie, Ray Graham, on the practice squad. He could be promoted to the active roster, or the Texans could sign a veteran free agent. Coach Gary Kubiak wouldn’t commit either way today but admitted they’re in the market for a replacement for Wood.

Because the Texans are off on Sunday, they have two weeks to find and develop a third-team back.

I just copy/pasted the whole things so it's easy to read here.

 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/21/ben-tate-has-four-broken-ribs/

Houston (CBS Houston) - Texans running back Ben Tate has four broken ribs, according to Kristie Rieken of AP. Tate became the number one running back after Arian Foster left Sunday’s game with a hamstring injury.

Tate is expected to be ready when the Texans play the Colts after their by week. The Texans are now thin at running back after releasing Cierre Wood.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/after-waiving-cierre-wood-texans-in-market-for-third-running-back/

After waiving Cierre Wood, Texans in market for third running backWith rookie free-agent running back Cierre Wood being placed on waivers today, the Texans will be looking for a third running back to play behind Arian Foster and Ben Tate, both of whom were injured in Sunday’s 17-16 loss at Kansas City.

Foster is out with a hamstring injury. He said he should be able to play in two weeks against Indianapolis. Tate has bruised ribs. He left Sunday’s game but returned.

The Texans have another undrafted rookie, Ray Graham, on the practice squad. He could be promoted to the active roster, or the Texans could sign a veteran free agent. Coach Gary Kubiak wouldn’t commit either way today but admitted they’re in the market for a replacement for Wood.

Because the Texans are off on Sunday, they have two weeks to find and develop a third-team back.

I just copy/pasted the whole things so it's easy to read here.
what are they waiting for?!! They know both RBs are hurt, if theres any question that either one of them can't play and the other is hurt then start bringing people in that Monday morning.

 
MovetoSkyPager's article is three full days earlier than mine. The trend for Tate is down, rapidly.

 
I'm a little confused...are Tate's ribs "fractured" or "bruised" .....to me there would seem to be a pretty big difference......bad ribs ain't no joke....hurts to sneeze, let alone play football if they are jacked up.....

would think Foster should be good to go......Tate...I don't know.....

bad thing for fantasy owners might be that both these guys see the writing on the wall....this season ain't really going anywhere....so in my mind, why push it if you don't have too....very little "for the team pressure" to get back out there, in terms of super bowl hopes....even though they are professionals......Foster has very little to prove, he is a solid guy.....and even though Tate will be a FA next year....I think he has shown enough that he is still going to get a nice deal somewhere next year....

bad vibes in HOU right now.....still a ton of season left though so you like to see them not fold their tents....

 
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I'm a little confused...are Tate's ribs "fractured" or "bruised" .....to me there would seem to be a pretty big difference......bad ribs ain't no joke....hurts to sneeze, let alone play football if they are jacked up.....

would think Foster should be good to go......Tate...I don't know.....

bad thing for fantasy owners might be that both these guys see the writing on the wall....this season ain't really going anywhere....so in my mind, why push it if you don't have too....very little "for the team pressure" to get back out there, in terms of super bowl hopes....even though they are professionals......Foster has very little to prove, he is a solid guy.....and even though Tate will be a FA next year....I think he has shown enough that he is still going to get a nice deal somewhere next year....

bad vibes in HOU right now.....still a ton of season left though so you like to see them not fold their tents....
I ponded my desk when I read "broken", all reports where that they were fractured and then friday morning their broken... would love to get some confirmation. I'm thinking that if he was really that bad they would of started working out FAs.

 
I'm still irritated that Cierre Wood blew it, as I had him as a nice dynasty stash and he seemed set to get more burn. In other "news", I have both Foster and Tate in another league, no clue how things are gonna play out the rest of the season.

 
I just watched a clip of Ray Graham scoring against MIN in the preseason. He looked every bit as slow as his 4.8 forty time, maybe slower. He's not the answer unless they tank, which they won't.

 
I am assuming Deji Karim will get re-signed and then there'll be a mad dash to waivers to pick him up. Karim looked as good as any of the rookies in the preseason IMO.

 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/21/ben-tate-has-four-broken-ribs/

Houston (CBS Houston) - Texans running back Ben Tate has four broken ribs, according to Kristie Rieken of AP. Tate became the number one running back after Arian Foster left Sunday’s game with a hamstring injury.

Tate is expected to be ready when the Texans play the Colts after their by week. The Texans are now thin at running back after releasing Cierre Wood.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/after-waiving-cierre-wood-texans-in-market-for-third-running-back/

After waiving Cierre Wood, Texans in market for third running backWith rookie free-agent running back Cierre Wood being placed on waivers today, the Texans will be looking for a third running back to play behind Arian Foster and Ben Tate, both of whom were injured in Sunday’s 17-16 loss at Kansas City.

Foster is out with a hamstring injury. He said he should be able to play in two weeks against Indianapolis. Tate has bruised ribs. He left Sunday’s game but returned.

The Texans have another undrafted rookie, Ray Graham, on the practice squad. He could be promoted to the active roster, or the Texans could sign a veteran free agent. Coach Gary Kubiak wouldn’t commit either way today but admitted they’re in the market for a replacement for Wood.

Because the Texans are off on Sunday, they have two weeks to find and develop a third-team back.

I just copy/pasted the whole things so it's easy to read here.
what are they waiting for?!! They know both RBs are hurt, if theres any question that either one of them can't play and the other is hurt then start bringing people in that Monday morning.
They aren't in a hurry because they don't practice during the bye anyway.

 
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/21/ben-tate-has-four-broken-ribs/

Houston (CBS Houston) - Texans running back Ben Tate has four broken ribs, according to Kristie Rieken of AP. Tate became the number one running back after Arian Foster left Sunday’s game with a hamstring injury.

Tate is expected to be ready when the Texans play the Colts after their by week. The Texans are now thin at running back after releasing Cierre Wood.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/after-waiving-cierre-wood-texans-in-market-for-third-running-back/

After waiving Cierre Wood, Texans in market for third running backWith rookie free-agent running back Cierre Wood being placed on waivers today, the Texans will be looking for a third running back to play behind Arian Foster and Ben Tate, both of whom were injured in Sunday’s 17-16 loss at Kansas City.

Foster is out with a hamstring injury. He said he should be able to play in two weeks against Indianapolis. Tate has bruised ribs. He left Sunday’s game but returned.

The Texans have another undrafted rookie, Ray Graham, on the practice squad. He could be promoted to the active roster, or the Texans could sign a veteran free agent. Coach Gary Kubiak wouldn’t commit either way today but admitted they’re in the market for a replacement for Wood.

Because the Texans are off on Sunday, they have two weeks to find and develop a third-team back.

I just copy/pasted the whole things so it's easy to read here.
what are they waiting for?!! They know both RBs are hurt, if theres any question that either one of them can't play and the other is hurt then start bringing people in that Monday morning.
They aren't in a hurry because they don't practice during the bye anyway.
what about getting a guy in and getting him the play book?

 
I'm still irritated that Cierre Wood blew it, as I had him as a nice dynasty stash and he seemed set to get more burn. In other "news", I have both Foster and Tate in another league, no clue how things are gonna play out the rest of the season.
I'm incredibly irritated. He looked fantastic in that system during the preseason. I was so sure he was going to inherit the Tate role that I elected to keep him over Mike James at final cuts in multiple leagues :sadbanana:

 
Any word on how Graham is looking these days? Was awesome in college but never looked anywhere near the same after his injury.
As to Ray Graham, I'd heard he made a decent recovery but he ran a 4.80 at the combine so nobody got near him in the draft.
4.68 combine, 4.70 Pro Day. That's bad enough for a 200 lb. back but he also only had a 32" vertical and 9-04 and 8-01 broad jump.

I don't think Graham is the future starter and expect them to find another UDFA in next year's draft to be Foster's backup.

 
I'm still irritated that Cierre Wood blew it, as I had him as a nice dynasty stash and he seemed set to get more burn. In other "news", I have both Foster and Tate in another league, no clue how things are gonna play out the rest of the season.
I'm incredibly irritated. He looked fantastic in that system during the preseason. I was so sure he was going to inherit the Tate role that I elected to keep him over Mike James at final cuts in multiple leagues :sadbanana:
I thought Wood was the Tate's heir apparent as well but the guy is a knucklehead. He blew the chance of a lifetime and probably his only shot at a starting job in the NFL.

 
Any word on how Graham is looking these days? Was awesome in college but never looked anywhere near the same after his injury.
As to Ray Graham, I'd heard he made a decent recovery but he ran a 4.80 at the combine so nobody got near him in the draft.
4.68 combine, 4.70 Pro Day. That's bad enough for a 200 lb. back but he also only had a 32" vertical and 9-04 and 8-01 broad jump.

I don't think Graham is the future starter and expect them to find another UDFA in next year's draft to be Foster's backup.
4,8

http://www.cardiachill.com/2013/2/24/4025604/2013-nfl-combine-ray-graham-pitt-football-pittsburgh-panthers-running-backs-40-times

 
I'm still irritated that Cierre Wood blew it, as I had him as a nice dynasty stash and he seemed set to get more burn. In other "news", I have both Foster and Tate in another league, no clue how things are gonna play out the rest of the season.
I'm incredibly irritated. He looked fantastic in that system during the preseason. I was so sure he was going to inherit the Tate role that I elected to keep him over Mike James at final cuts in multiple leagues :sadbanana:
I thought Wood was the Tate's heir apparent as well but the guy is a knucklehead. He blew the chance of a lifetime and probably his only shot at a starting job in the NFL.
Just baking out a hotel room with coaches and team there the night before a game... What could go wrong?

 
anyone think Deji Karim becomes the guy here? He looked the best out of Wood, Johnson, and Graham in the preseason, but was likely let go because of price tag. Some are reporting they will likely bring him in which makes sense with both Tate and Foster hurting. Is he worth an add in deep leagues? I dropped Quarless for him because I am not sold Quarless has the starting gig locked up with Bostick and got him cheaply in 3 leagues. Worth the gamble I suppose.

 
anyone think Deji Karim becomes the guy here? He looked the best out of Wood, Johnson, and Graham in the preseason, but was likely let go because of price tag. Some are reporting they will likely bring him in which makes sense with both Tate and Foster hurting. Is he worth an add in deep leagues? I dropped Quarless for him because I am not sold Quarless has the starting gig locked up with Bostick and got him cheaply in 3 leagues. Worth the gamble I suppose.
As a Foster and Tate owner in a league with very deep rosters, I already picked up both Graham and Karim. I think it could go any direction though... could be Graham, could be Karim, could easily be someone else entirely.

 
anyone think Deji Karim becomes the guy here? He looked the best out of Wood, Johnson, and Graham in the preseason, but was likely let go because of price tag. Some are reporting they will likely bring him in which makes sense with both Tate and Foster hurting. Is he worth an add in deep leagues? I dropped Quarless for him because I am not sold Quarless has the starting gig locked up with Bostick and got him cheaply in 3 leagues. Worth the gamble I suppose.
I picked up Karim, dropping Randle. I'm debating picking up Graham but Graham just looks so slow to me (as slow as Randle, if not slower) I can't imagine he would get the 1st/2nd downs. I also own Tate, who I may end up dropping.

 
Looks like they brought in all three guys - Karim, Graham, and Dennis Johnson.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/10/qb-question-hangs-over-texans-as-they-return-from-bye/

Seems like a pretty clear indicator that they're concerned about Foster and Tate. Place your bets on which of the three will get a shot, however. Karim lost his roster spot at the end of camp to Cierre Wood. Johnson was cut before that, and spent time on Cleveland's practice squad. Graham, as previously discussed, has been on Houston's practice squad.

I'd tentatively rank them: Karim, Johnson, Graham.

 

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