I think they wanted to be sure they had a backup FS option. They got that with Boston.
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****The 2019 Carolina Panthers Thread**** We Rhule At Losing (2 Viewers)
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I was driving through listening to David Glenn today and callers sounded really pissed about the draft.
The Commish
Footballguy
I can see the frustration in this "what have you done for me lately" world, but I can also clearly see the path DG is going down. This draft wasn't for the here and now. It was foundational. I wasn't a big fan of the Gaffney or Boston picks. I understand the Gaffney pick but a bit at a loss on the Boston pick...he wasn't anything special.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Yeah I agree, Boston is the only pick is hard to understand. Everything else I see what the vision is, Boston is going to be nothing more then a special teams player and back up.
Gaffney + Boston have things in common... solid combine numbers, well rounded/versatile, minimal injury history/plays through injury (a common theme of gettlleman's drafts), can play special teams, potential good locker room type.
Bill Polian had a good point on drafting late. When it gets late in the draft you force yourself to draft guys with solid combine numbers and then bring in the intangible types as UDFAs. These guys happened to be both.
I think it is hard to separate a fantasy football drafting mentality from actual drafting. In fantasy we want to swing for the fences late. In actual NFL setting you might just want guys that will make the team and provide depth.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I am telling you guys they seem convinced that someone on the team is going to be left tackle. Bell gets first shot apparently. They are not in left tackle panic mode. They were not going to reach for one. They may bring in a vet rental at some point for depth if Wharton bails but otherwise they feel good.
JFS171
Footballguy
I agree - I said on Friday that they can patchwork the tackles for a year with guys left walking the street, guys who will get cut in camps, and what they have on the roster. If I'm not mistaken, most QBs struggle the most when the rush is in their face -- no pocket to step into. They addressed the G spot with an absolute mauler in Turner who will play beside Khalil and Silatolu giving them a stout center of the line.
I'd have liked to see another WR, and I'd have liked to see a T as well, but we've got no reason to doubt Gettleman given his performance on the job so far. Look at what he did last year with the team and his FA signings. Now he's dragged through the mud because he let Ginn and Munnerlyn get overpaid in FA and moved on from a guy that refused to renegotiate his contract and by most accounts wasn't great for the locker room in Smith?
Cotchery was a solid signing with 10 TDs last year (admittedly inflated), Olsen returns as the top receiver, Benjamin (and believe me I have my doubts) is huge and Proehl really, REALLY wanted him from all reports, and Avant has consistently put up the 50+ receptions they used to get from LaFell. Underwood can even replace Ginn without too much difficulty. That doesn't even account for improvement from McNutt and Tavarres King, who folks raved about in preseason -- he was simply on a roster in Denver where they couldn't possibly keep him. Carolina gets him off waivers, but if I'm not mistaken Green Bay and NYG also put in claims - two teams that have displayed a knack for finding WR talent.
Let's not break out the pitchforks and torches just yet. I applaud the approach - stick to your board, draft the best player, and let the chips fall where they may.
The goal isn't to make the playoffs in 2014. The goal is to consistently contend for championships for the next decade.
I'd have liked to see another WR, and I'd have liked to see a T as well, but we've got no reason to doubt Gettleman given his performance on the job so far. Look at what he did last year with the team and his FA signings. Now he's dragged through the mud because he let Ginn and Munnerlyn get overpaid in FA and moved on from a guy that refused to renegotiate his contract and by most accounts wasn't great for the locker room in Smith?
Cotchery was a solid signing with 10 TDs last year (admittedly inflated), Olsen returns as the top receiver, Benjamin (and believe me I have my doubts) is huge and Proehl really, REALLY wanted him from all reports, and Avant has consistently put up the 50+ receptions they used to get from LaFell. Underwood can even replace Ginn without too much difficulty. That doesn't even account for improvement from McNutt and Tavarres King, who folks raved about in preseason -- he was simply on a roster in Denver where they couldn't possibly keep him. Carolina gets him off waivers, but if I'm not mistaken Green Bay and NYG also put in claims - two teams that have displayed a knack for finding WR talent.
Let's not break out the pitchforks and torches just yet. I applaud the approach - stick to your board, draft the best player, and let the chips fall where they may.
The goal isn't to make the playoffs in 2014. The goal is to consistently contend for championships for the next decade.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah Proehl banging the table for Benjamin is what sold me. I was more a Lee guy really. But Benjamin does have huge upside and as we have heard you can't coach 6'5". We also picked up another huge wideout amongst our UDFAs. I think 6'5" 215 IIRC.
JFS171
Footballguy
And King is big... and McNutt is big. Gettleman has a philosophy -- bigger, faster, stronger usually wins.
Lots of noise popped up about Lee's knee scaring people away. Same with Kouandjio. There was some talk of Panthers avoiding James Hurst because of knee issues.
If they are avoiding UDFAs with knee issues you can bet it played a big part into the decisions for their 1st and 2nd round picks.
The Commish
Footballguy
I get the importance of special teams, but I don't see the point in addressing ST in the draft. Personally, I don't believe Boston is anything special. He was underwhelming when watching him against mediocre ACC talent this past year.
The Commish
Footballguy
By all indications, this seems to be it. I would LOVE to be wrong again, but I just don't see it in Bell. I am figuring they will address the OL in free agency near the end of summer which should be fine. I like the approach of not reaching in the draft and taking best available player regardless of need as long as they can address need in FA.
NCCommish
Footballguy
He isn't really a good run stopper. He is allegedly good in coverage and that's what got him picked. The ST stuff is a solid plus.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah Bell doesn't inspire confidence. I do think Chandler may have a shot. He has much better feet than Bell. But who knows? These guys did patch together a line last year that wasn't horrible considering. So I am going to trust them for a while longer on this. But I am leery.
Some character concerns perhaps
After watching the special about his family it is hard for me to see those concerns
Funny thing is that the early picks were fine. I'm still hesitant on Benjamin, but if they liked him, they evaluated him a lot more than I did.
If you want to avoid an OT with knee issues in the early rounds, makes sense to me, but a backup RB when you don't need them (you can't tell me they couldn't pick up a Gaffney in 2015) and there are potential OTs still on the board? Richardson had early round grades and even if Hurst is a question, why not grab Richardson in the 6th and Hurst as an UDFA? Gaffney might even be available as an UDFA if they don't pick him. RBs aren't highly drafted anymore.
Call me a glass half empty guy, but I am really worried about the tackle spot.
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NCCommish
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jurb26
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He's a converted CB so his calling card should be cover skills. Unfortunately he is sloppy in his back pedal and out of breaks. I'm not a huge fan of the pick, though I agree help in the secondary and S was a big need. I'd have rather them taken Brock Vereen at that spot who was also available. I think he's far better in coverage and more of a fit for what Car needs given their dominant front 7. Better movement skills, better coverage range and more immediate understanding of the position.
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The Commish
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Pos Name Ht Wt Age College
LB Denicos Allen 5-11 218 23 Michigan State
WR Philly Brown 6-0 190 22 Ohio State
CB Carrington Byndom 6-0 180 21 Texas
LB Adarius Glanton 6-1 215 23 Florida Atlantic
WR Marcus Lucas 6-5 220 22 Missouri
G Andrew Norwell 6-6 316 22 Ohio State
RB Darrin Reaves 5-10 210 21 Alabama-Birmingham
DT Shaq Rowell 6-4 305 24 West Virginia
C Jared Wheeler 6-5 319 22 Miami (Fla.)
These are all the FAs they signed. I have opinions on the B1G guys, but don't know much about the others.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think we are all worried about the tackle spot. I just keep telling myself there is still more to come. A lot can happen between now and final cuts in August.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I liked the draft quite a bit. I hadn't been through the ol' north state in a while. I was surprised to hear such anger (as an aside, it was comforting to hear local idiots calling to a radio show. don't have a local show in lynchburg).
I gathered that somebody came on the radio recently really pimping Moses. Folks sounded convinced that we'd just passed on Anthony Munoz at pick 60.
I agree Boston was puzzling, but I think the UNC defense was just a mess in general early in the season, and it's easy to remember him getting torched. The team D and Boston seemed to get it together more later in the season, so maybe it's a better pick than it seems.
Gettleman said. "Once you got past that top tier of tackles, there was a huge drop-off. For us, we just felt that the guys we have on our roster that are going to compete for those spots are just as good if not better than what we were staring at. The value wasn't there."
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pollardsvision
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Oh, and my favorite part was the guy who called in absolutely convinced that Gettleman hates Cam and wants to see him fail.
Moses isn't what bothered me, even commish made a comment that he liked Hurst better. I didn't like that they didn't even take a chance on two Ts that were available when they took a pick on a 6th round RB and didn't work to get them as UDFAs. Richardson was a top 10 T in every list I looked at and had a 2-3 round grade. I just can't see passing on him in the 6th and not making him your #1 UDFA priority with such a huge need.
That is nice early on, but when your ignore a guy with a 2nd/3rd round grade still on board when you take a RB to backup Stewart, Williams, Tolbert and maybe Barner, you need to adjust your view point. I don't think we did a good job at all in the UDFA pool like we have done in the past. OTs sitting there ripe for the picking at pennies on the dollar. Maybe the draft on Skype is OK, but I think our effort at T in the UDFA market was really poor considering the potential that was there.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I don't know anything about Richardson. I did see Barnwell's Grantland column having Richardson as CAR's 2nd round pick in a "perfect draft" or something.
Then the dude went undrafted. Seems like an odd situation all around.
In general, I'm kind of fine with not bothering with an OT after the 2nd or 3rd round. If your LT of the future isn't there, may as well address other areas and address LT some other way. Obviously, bringing one in as an UDFA seems like a good idea, but Gettleman must really hate Richardson.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Denicos Allen is intriguing if he can convert to SS. Doubt he will play LB in the NFL but he is a hard worker and doesn't mind stepping up to hit someone.
The Commish
Footballguy
I only get an hour or so (from 2-3pm) of Glenn's show. So I don't know the audience very well. What I do know is Glenn wasn't very high on the Benjamin pick. I refuse to listen to the afternoon show here in CLT...it's unbearable. I'm pretty confident the 
on that show ripped the picks even though he was one that was drooling over Benjamin a couple months ago (right after the NC game). The show is a joke now.
on that show ripped the picks even though he was one that was drooling over Benjamin a couple months ago (right after the NC game). The show is a joke now.
The Commish
Footballguy
Agreed...he seemed small even in CFB to be a LB. He throws himself around with reckless abandon though
NCCommish
Footballguy
You mean the guy with a second round grade that no one picked? In a league where tackles are so valued? Huge red flag.
Red flag for 3rd or 4th round. Red flag enough to not pick him up as a flyer? Sorry, but his risk was so low as a 6th/UDFA that his potential far outweighs a 6th round RB. We'll just agree to disagree, but I would have loved to see them hoard the red flagged OTs that dropped and sorted them out in camp instead of letting some other teams unearth a diamond in the rough. I'll be watching a few of these guys just to see what happens.
pantherclub
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NCCommish
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NCCommish
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NCCommish
Footballguy
I chuckled. Really we need to give this time. Women have been known to embellish these tales when a guy has millions. Not saying she's lying but we have seen it before as a way to get a check. Of course we have also seen NFLer's get physical with women. So no telling with what we know so far.
The Commish
Footballguy
Now wondering if the guys you heard are friends with Shaun King...he seems to really have his panties in a bunch over what they "aren't" doing for Cam. Tried to really take it to DG as a GM. Came across as a whining retired QB to me though
JFS171
Footballguy
All the "what they aren't doing for Cam" stuff seems way overblown IMO. They got rid of Smith, likely at least in part, FOR Cam. The media interprets that as taking away a weapon, but the FO wanted to turn the keys over to Cam and knew Smith was in the way. They spent their first rounder for Cam, and their 3rd. They've built a ridiculous defense that keeps them in close games so Cam doesn't feel the pressure to go win on his own.
As I'm sure everyone else would agree, I'd have liked to see them draft another WR or an OT, but to this point I've seen no reason NOT to trust GMan. Last year he scrapes bottom of the barrell guys like Florence, Mikell, and Ginn, brings back Munnerlyn on an extremely team-friendly deal, brings in UDFAs like Lester and Melvin White. All of them panned out for the most part... and his draft last year was quite productive as well considering the two big hits on the DL, a LB that could conceivably start this year, and more depth throughout the roster. I'd love to see them invest in some of the FA OTs left or ones cut this fall -- rumors that TEN after drafting Lewan may move on from Michael Roos -- I'd take him in a heartbeat. But at this point... until he gives us a reason not to... gotta trust GMan.
It's not a complete stretch to say the receiving corps is in better shape today than it was last year:
THEN: Smith, LaFell, Ginn, Hixon
NOW: Benjamin, Cotchery, Underwood, Avant (plus extra years of development for King and McNutt -- also GMan acquisions)
As I'm sure everyone else would agree, I'd have liked to see them draft another WR or an OT, but to this point I've seen no reason NOT to trust GMan. Last year he scrapes bottom of the barrell guys like Florence, Mikell, and Ginn, brings back Munnerlyn on an extremely team-friendly deal, brings in UDFAs like Lester and Melvin White. All of them panned out for the most part... and his draft last year was quite productive as well considering the two big hits on the DL, a LB that could conceivably start this year, and more depth throughout the roster. I'd love to see them invest in some of the FA OTs left or ones cut this fall -- rumors that TEN after drafting Lewan may move on from Michael Roos -- I'd take him in a heartbeat. But at this point... until he gives us a reason not to... gotta trust GMan.
It's not a complete stretch to say the receiving corps is in better shape today than it was last year:
THEN: Smith, LaFell, Ginn, Hixon
NOW: Benjamin, Cotchery, Underwood, Avant (plus extra years of development for King and McNutt -- also GMan acquisions)
The Commish
Footballguy
I tend to agree. I think they believe Cam and the defense are good enough that they don't need "elite" WRs.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well I think that's a perception they like to give. But every team wants an elite guy on the outside. The reality is time of possession is great and all but the more plays you have to make to score the bigger chance you won't. That's what our defense counts on right? Making you make play after play to move downfield and they do that because even a single mistake can end a drive. Getting behind the chains just once may be all it takes. So you need to be able to strike fast as well. This is still a play action offense and you have to have someone who can take advantage and change field position in chunks. So I have never really believed the whole we don't need a number 1 thing. If they truly believed that this team would have an issue to address in the FO.
The Commish
Footballguy
I don't think there's a question that if the cap was a better situation and there weren't a ton of holes all over the place, giving Cam weapons would be a major priority. Unfortunately, that's not reality. I think they are picking their battles and asking Cam to help by doing the best he can with what they can provide. King seems to think there's a conspiracy to get rid of Cam or build a case to pay him less etc....I simply don't buy that at all.
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