The absolute hole of UNCERTANITY......Lets try and clear this up a bit (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

The 2nd round though 3rd is NICE this year....but on the same token, there isnt one thats standing out either....which kinda means the value between the high 2nd and late 3rd is pretty much on the same par.

So after: Moreno/Wells/McCoy/Brown/Green Crabtree/Nicks/Maclin/Bey/Harvin/Robiskie/Britt Stafford/Sanchez.

WHO ARE THE NEXT RATED 12 guys on you guys board ppr or not.

trying to see if there is any consensus here.

 

[EBF]

Personally, Tate is the player I've been targeting in this range.

 

[bcr8f]

I don't like any of them until Andre Brown, Collie or Dillard in the 2nd round.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Mines:

1. M.Thomas

2. B.Tate

3. J.Iglesias

4.J.Freeman

5. A.Collie

6. J.Dillard

7. G.Johnson

8. B.Pettigrew

9. R.Jennings

10. C.Peerman

11. A.Brown

12. M.Massaqoui

very very fluid rankings though.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

In tiers:

Mike Thomas

Brandon Tate

Andre Brown

Jared Cook

Shawn Nelson

Chase Coffman

Jaret Dillard

Juaquin Iglesias

Cornelius Ingram

Brandon Pettigrew

Cedric Peerman

Bernard Scott

James Davis

James Casey

Glen Coffee

Josh Freeman

Derrick Williams

Mohamed Massaquoi

Everybody else.

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My first two tiers are players I think are most likely to make an impact on your fantasy team. Ingram and Pettigrew are less likely to be fantasy starters, but may be useful backups, though Ingram has good upside based on his athleticism. (I think Philly spreads the ball around too much for a TE to be rated too high, but if Ingram is stud quality, that can change) I'm actually not a Dillard or Iglesias believer, but enough other people on this board have touted them that I bumped them a bit.

The last tier is players that either have nice upside due to physical talent (Scott, Peerman, Casey) or situational opportunity (Freeman, Williams, Massaquoi, Coffee).

I don't care for the rest of the WRs and RBs, though there are some that are rosterable.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

In tiers:Mike ThomasBrandon TateAndre BrownJared CookShawn NelsonChase CoffmanJaret DillardJuaquin IglesiasCornelius IngramBrandon PettigrewCedric PeermanBernard ScottJames DavisJames CaseyGlen CoffeeJosh FreemanDerrick WilliamsMohamed MassaquoiEverybody else.~~~My first two tiers are players I think are most likely to make an impact on your fantasy team. Ingram and Pettigrew are less likely to be fantasy starters, but may be useful backups, though Ingram has good upside based on his athleticism. (I think Philly spreads the ball around too much for a TE to be rated too high, but if Ingram is stud quality, that can change) I'm actually not a Dillard or Iglesias believer, but enough other people on this board have touted them that I bumped them a bit.The last tier is players that either have nice upside due to physical talent (Scott, Peerman, Casey) or situational opportunity (Freeman, Williams, Massaquoi, Coffee).I don't care for the rest of the WRs and RBs, though there are some that are rosterable.

Nice breakdown, although i view them a tad bit different, Maybe im just not very high on the Te's or the fact i know they will slide to the 3rd for better value. Its a wierd group but im sure we are gonna look back on this group in a few years and see where some stud slipped through the cracks.

 

[GSWarriors]

after the consensus top-14, i'd rather move down and target the TEs in this class.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

people seem very down on Josh Freeman. They traded up to get him as well and have decent weapons for him to use. IMO if you need a QB he's a nice trade in round2

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Jared Cook

 

[awesomeness]

Johnny Knox would be my first target, though you could probably could get him in the early 4th round, i haven't been looking at ADP's too much so im not 100% sure where he's falling. Knox's combination of quickness, speed, agility, hand catching, and when you take into account that Jay Cutler will be throwing the ball in Chicago, i'm targeting Johnny Knox in all of my leagues.

Then i'd be happy with any of the big time TE's: Chase Coffman, Jared Cook, Travis Beckum, Brandon Pettigrew, James Casey, or Cornelius Ingram.

At RB i might take a shot on one of Andre Brown, James Davis, Bernard Scott, or Arian Foster. Depending on how deep the league is, i'd also take a shot on Dudley Guice at WR.

 

[comfortably numb]

In one 16 team IDP league I had 2.3/2.4/2.9.

I ended up moving all of them and HMiller for Brackett, DJ Williams and what I expect to be an early 1st next year.

Usually early 2nd RDers offer more than a lotto ticket, but this year, I just felt they all were up in the air, so instead of playing the lotto, I just cashed in for the hopes of a better lotto ticket next year.

 

[Couch Potato]

Johnny Knox would be my first target

Does anyone else see in your mind Johnny Knoxville every time you see this name?

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Johnny Knox would be my first target

Does anyone else see in your mind Johnny Knoxville every time you see this name?

I almost made a jackass reference when I drafted him as at 4.12 as our Mr Irrelevant.

 

[MAC_32]

QB

Nate Davis

Pat White

Josh Freeman

RB

James Davis

Bernard Scott

WR

Mike Thomas

Jarrett Dillard

Austin Collie

Brandon Tate

TE

Travis Beckum

Shawn Nelson

Jared Cook

I'd trend toward the WR's first - all of them - then Nate Davis, then the RB's, then the rest of the QB's, followed by the TE's. I like some of the TE's more than others I'd take above them but would rather wait and see if they fall first, if they don't the fall back options at TE are still nice whereas I'm not as sold on the fall back options at other positions outside of WR, which as I've said often this offseason is DEEP. I just like those four WR's much more than the next group.

 

[EBF]

I think TEs are a reach this high.

Consider where Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, and Donnie Avery go in startup drafts compared to Dustin Keller and you should quickly see that the rewards of hitting with a WR vastly outweigh the rewards of hitting with a TE.

 

[lyon812]

My next 12, IDP and PPR, are:

Mike Thomas

Brandon Tate

James Laurinitis

Rey Maualuga

Andre Brown

Brandon Pettigrew

Shawn Nelson

Jared Cook

Josh Freeman

Chase Coffman

Juaquin Iglesias

Aaron Curry

If I had to replace the 3 LB's in that, I'd put Travis Beckum, Cedric Peerman, and James Davis. After that are a myriad of players that may succeed but have too many question marks for me to take in Round 2, like Bernard Scott, Austin Collie, Cornelius Ingram, Gartrell Johnson, and a bunch of IDP.

Their ranking depends on what's off the board and team need, which probably goes without saying. In my just-completed 16-team rookie draft I nabbed Brown and Nelson in the 3rd round (lacked a second round pick) and was pretty happy. Things really started drying up in Round 4, and the lack of IDP depth this year (and so many high picks going to the strong side) really made itself known.

It's really a crapshoot this year. A lot of talented guys are buried on depth charts, and a lot of semi-talented guys have a clear road towards PT.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I think TEs are a reach this high.Consider where Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, and Donnie Avery go in startup drafts compared to Dustin Keller and you should quickly see that the rewards of hitting with a WR vastly outweigh the rewards of hitting with a TE.

A couple of things going on there that you aren't taking into consideration. 1) TEs take even longer to develop than WRs typically. 2) Last year was not great year for TEs in general. Keller may or may not even be a "hit" at this point. 3) Depends heavily on starting lineup requirements and scoring.Comparing Royal, Jackson and Avery to the TEs in one year isn't exactly fair. I can't think of ANY year with more WR "hits" later in the draft than 2008. The situation is a little too unusual to draw generalized inferences.

 

[MAC_32]

I think TEs are a reach this high.Consider where Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, and Donnie Avery go in startup drafts compared to Dustin Keller and you should quickly see that the rewards of hitting with a WR vastly outweigh the rewards of hitting with a TE.

Depending on the draft I think they start to represent some value in the 3rd round. However, of the drafts I've been viewing some combo of Nate Davis, Pat White, Mike Thomas, Jarrett Dillard, Austin Collie, and Brandon Tate are usually available into the 3rd and sometimes 4th round, as long as they're out there I won't touch a TE but if they're gone and I have a 3rd round pick I'll take Beckum, Nelson, or Cook. I don't see any good risks left in the pool, sure there are some with big upside (Barden, Knox) and others that are safer (read, earlier round draft pick) with lower ceilings (Iglesias, Turner), I just don't see them justifying selection over the top TE's that I think can become fantasy relevant.

 

[Cleat Spike]

I'm still liking Gartrell Johnson to be the guy we look back on in a couple years and say, man this big guy was just laying in the weeds nice and quiet in that 3rd round. SD certainly has a plan for him IMO. They were after Michael Bush for a long time via trade but it didn't get worked out. Bush is in that similar mold as Johnson so they've been targeting a bigger back for 2 years and you can even guess they may have hand picked GJ later in the draft cause they knew he would be there after they address more important needs.

Big body, but nimble feet with good power and agility. Stock is low because of the 4.7 at the combine, but a 4.6 at his pro day which for a bigger RB doesn't seem that bad if you can wiggle a little. Where was the #1 RB Moreno at, 4.6. Who says there is no room in today's NFL for a pounder with size anymore? It's about wearing them down, finding a seam now and then and putting up short TDs. His hands aren't even that bad either it seems and he racked up 375 total in his bowl game too.

LT aside for a year or two, I can see a nice combo of Johnson and Sproles doing damage in that O. Combine that with LTs age, Sproles completely opposite size and skills and this is not a bad RB longterm IMO.

SD picked Gartrell with their 4.34 (comp pick). #134 overall. This was ahead of backs like Peerman, Ringer, James Davis, Reshad Jennings, Bernard Scott and just after Andre Brown (4.29 (129)).

Same group who drafted LT, Turner, Sproles. I feel like they hand picked this guy. Sometimes you need a little bulk in this league!

I don't think you really can get a consensus on this grouping. I think it's go after the guy you really really like and hope you get him, take a few chances.

PPR

So after: Moreno/Wells/McCoy/Brown/Green Crabtree/Nicks/Maclin/Bey/Harvin/Robiskie/Britt Stafford/Sanchez:

Andre Brown

Cook

Juan I.

Gartrell Johnson

Jennings

Pettigrew

Peerman

Tate (long term)

Freeman

Bernard Scott

M. Thomas

D. Williams

Nelson

Dillard

Collie

Massaquoi

Ingram

J. Davis

Beckum

Knox

Ringer

D. Butler

Casey

Sheets

J. Johnson

Coffee

Pat Turner

Something like that?

 

[cstu]

I'm still liking Gartrell Johnson to be the guy we look back on in a couple years and say, man this big guy was just laying in the weeds nice and quiet in that 3rd round. SD certainly has a plan for him IMO. They were after Michael Bush for a long time via trade but it didn't get worked out. Bush is in that similar mold as Johnson so they've been targeting a bigger back for 2 years and you can even guess they may have hand picked GJ later in the draft cause they knew he would be there after they address more important needs. Big body, but nimble feet with good power and agility. Stock is low because of the 4.7 at the combine, but a 4.6 at his pro day which for a bigger RB doesn't seem that bad if you can wiggle a little. Where was the #1 RB Moreno at, 4.6. Who says there is no room in today's NFL for a pounder with size anymore? It's about wearing them down, finding a seam now and then and putting up short TDs. His hands aren't even that bad either it seems and he racked up 375 total in his bowl game too. LT aside for a year or two, I can see a nice combo of Johnson and Sproles doing damage in that O. Combine that with LTs age, Sproles completely opposite size and skills and this is not a bad RB longterm IMO.SD picked Gartrell with their 4.34 (comp pick). #134 overall. This was ahead of backs like Peerman, Ringer, James Davis, Reshad Jennings, Bernard Scott and just after Andre Brown (4.29 (129)). Same group who drafted LT, Turner, Sproles. I feel like they hand picked this guy. Sometimes you need a little bulk in this league! I don't think you really can get a consensus on this grouping. I think it's go after the guy you really really like and hope you get him, take a few chances.

Gartrell has some nice skills but I don't see him as the every down back in the future. I don't see the Chargers paying Sproles what he wants and putting him into RBBC with Johnson. IMO, the future starting RB for the Chargers isn't on the team. In fact, there's a good chance that it ends up being Michael Bush since he's in the last year of his contract next year.