Kool-Aid Larry
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what happened to silencers and a shallow grave?
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ConnSKINS26
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Serious question--I know you can make them yourself, but are legit silencers difficult to acquire? I assume so since I can't think of a single arguable civilian purpose for them.
Still a stupid thread, btw.
Still a stupid thread, btw.
SaintsInDome2006
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
lol
I had thought they were illegal -- not to say you can't buy illegal stuff.
didn't he have some high caliber rifle with no gun licenses?
is there even a legit source of silencers you can abuse?
I had thought they were illegal -- not to say you can't buy illegal stuff.
didn't he have some high caliber rifle with no gun licenses?
is there even a legit source of silencers you can abuse?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's what I was wondering. Common sense says that there is no legal source of silencers for civilians. Because there's no legit reason for them.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
When you score a 6 on your wonderlic I would presume forethought is not a strength.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that Hernandez scored a 30, or something like that. But carry on.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not if you're a non-gun nut civilian whose only point of reference lies in action movies and video games, guy.Its called a suppressor, not a silencer.
Kool-Aid Larry
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Wyld Stallyns
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My favorite part was that they picked him up and drove him back to Hernandez's neighborhood before killing him. Just a lazy effort all around. I wouldn't be surprised if cell phone pictures surface of the three clowns posing with the body Weekend at Bernie's style.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
They only had 4 minutes, woulda had to have been a quick photoshoot.
MURDER SELFIE!!!!!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am pretty sure this is not the actual question nobody is asking but rather a question that some people are asking that other people did not ask.
matttyl
Footballguy
I realize the above are stupid questions, and I totally believe he is guilty.
Both of those things said - If I were the defense attorney for Hernandez, I'd honestly bring up this point. I mean, look at the guy and his tatoos and his apparently long history with the law and such. Wouldn't a guy with that kinda history and such and "smart enough" to get a $40+M contract for an organization like the Pats be "smart enough" to use a silencer, or at least smart enough not to shoot a guy that close to his house, in a car rented under his name, and yada yada yada.
Seriously, that would be my defense - "how stupid would you have to be to leave all those 'clues'? And my client obvioulsy isn't 'dumb' in terms of street smarts and getting paid."
Both of those things said - If I were the defense attorney for Hernandez, I'd honestly bring up this point. I mean, look at the guy and his tatoos and his apparently long history with the law and such. Wouldn't a guy with that kinda history and such and "smart enough" to get a $40+M contract for an organization like the Pats be "smart enough" to use a silencer, or at least smart enough not to shoot a guy that close to his house, in a car rented under his name, and yada yada yada.
Seriously, that would be my defense - "how stupid would you have to be to leave all those 'clues'? And my client obvioulsy isn't 'dumb' in terms of street smarts and getting paid."
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Kool-Aid Larry
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you could also go with the what kind of ####ed up sociopathic freak would do this defense.
JamesTheScot
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So then are you really qualified to have an opinion on whether or not there's a legit use for one?Not if you're a non-gun nut civilian whose only point of reference lies in action movies and video games, guy.Its called a suppressor, not a silencer.
The BATFE (ATF) calls them silencers. If you want to get one legally, it's going to be called/referred to as a silencer.Its called a suppressor, not a silencer.
They are not all that difficult to acquire in many states. In terms of federal law you fill out some paperwork, pay $200, and wait, oh I don't know, maybe 6-9 months or so for the slow pokes to process it. You can then pick up your silencer/suppressor from one of the not-uncommon dealers licensed to deal in such items.
A lot of people have them, legally.
They are most common, IME, on handguns and rifles. Shotgun silencers do exist but are exceedingly rare.
Silencers are extremely useful because, well, loud noises are bad for your ears. Most people use them as a safety device to protect their hearing and the hearing of anybody around them while shooting.
ConnSKINS26
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I don't know, did I ever imply that I was? I'll help you out--I said "common sense says", which means to me, no. I hadn't thought of the protecting ears at a shooting range angle, but then I'm not a gun nut. That really is the only use I can think of, now that someone else has pointed it out.So then are you really qualified to have an opinion on whether or not there's a legit use for one?Not if you're a non-gun nut civilian whose only point of reference lies in action movies and video games, guy.Its called a suppressor, not a silencer.
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TheGreatSpinks
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You can't legally buy a sliencer for a handgun. You can get supressors for shotguns. The silencers you guys are talking about, the ones in movies are absolutely illegal for non law enforcement to possess.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is what I thought, as I was referring to the assassin-style handgun silencer. Is a suppressor not as effective or something?
Norcalhoya
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Whitney26
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
1st post... not true.
2nd post... My God, the hoplophobes in here. The Hollywood style handgun silencers do not exist. Suppressors, silencers... same thing. They do not turn a firearm rapport into the whisper-like sneeze sound you hear in movies. They knock down the decibel level some, but not a lot. Would still be audible from a long ways away. Like said earlier, totally legal in many states with a $200 fee and registration. It's no wonder we're getting the kind of gun regulations coming down the pipe, when the people of this country are so judgmental of the very things they're so ignorant about.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Who is being judgmental? Being misinformed about something like this isn't the same as being judgmental. Your attitude about it could be a lot better as you educate those less knowledgeable than yourself on the subject.
So to clarify, there is no such thing as a military-grade silencer that does what the ones in the movies do?
Hoplophobes--good word, not even close to correct usage in this context. Ignorance /= aversion beyond reasoning. Come on.
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Cookiemonster
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Just sounds exactly like Feinstein or Boxer or McCarthy or Biden... or regurgitated CNN/NBC.
Some pretty strong comments that are completely ignorant and damning and sound quite fearful of what you don't know about.
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Mario Kart
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YES, you can.
No, they are NOT illegal.
And a good one, appropriately paired with the handgun/cartridge/round, can do a very good job of reducing the sound level.
In fact, the last time I went to the range somebody was -legally- shooting a silenced (suppressed) handgun.
You clearly have no clue what you are talking about
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matttyl
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Yeah, pretty much. The prosecuters apparently have EVERYTHING, and a "thug" like Hernandez wouldn't have been so carless about all that. The only defense I can think of.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Sorry I was so abrupt. But it's one of those issues that gets my goat because there is a tremendous amount of misinformation, and not all of it unintentional IMHO, out there in the public arena. And unfortunately people form political opinions about it without learning about it.I don't know, did I ever imply that I was? I'll help you out--I said "common sense says", which means to me, no.I hadn't thought of the protecting ears at a shooting range angle, but then I'm not a gun nut. That really is the only use I can think of, now that someone else has pointed it out.So then are you really qualified to have an opinion on whether or not there's a legit use for one?Not if you're a non-gun nut civilian whose only point of reference lies in action movies and video games, guy.Its called a suppressor, not a silencer.
The sound suppression issue isn't just one of saving one's ears (the shooter) from hearing loss, though that's a good one. It's also about sound nuisance for neighbors. Get out in the burbs or countryside where firearms are more frequently used for hunting or recreational shooting and it starts to be more of an issue. I am an owner and user of firearms and even I don't enjoy it when a neighbor spends most of the afternoon blasting away when I am trying to enjoy a TV show or lounging around the pool.
You put a muffler on cars and lawnmowers and a suppressor serves the same purpose.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
In fairness, you used a pejorative ("gun nut") and stated a conclusion concerning the utility of silencers/suppressors while also admitting your ignorance on the topic.
"Common sense says that there is no legal source of silencers for civilians. Because there's no legit reason for them."
"Not if you're a non-gun nut civilian whose only point of reference lies in action movies and video games, guy."
So what does it say when one forms such a conclusion without any actual real-life knowledge of them?
I appreciate that you are open to the knowledge and rational, calm discussion, but it is concerning that you seem to have already formed a fairly negative opinion on the matter (and maybe about gun owners themselves) without much knowledge on the topic.
In terms of their legality, as someone else posted, they are completely legal to own provided you jump through the federal and local regulations to purchase and possess one. But the price and regulatory structure are a disincentive to purchase one compared to the benefit and utility you gain from using one.
But there are many gun owners who own them and employ them. And just like with legal class III (full-auto) weapons, they are frequently owned and possessed by your neighbors and you never know because they are law-abiding people who only use them in a responsible manner. And also similarly, they are in the hands of people who are least likely to ever employ them in an illegal or destructive manner.
BruceAlmighty
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I live in the south. I have a suppressor threaded for a Walther .22 pistol. When using subsonic rounds all you can hear is the slide racking. Also, taping a 20 ounce coke bottle over the barrel isn't just an urban legend. Use a small caliber (.17 or .22) and all you will hear is the projectile hitting the bottom of the bottle.
BruceAlmighty
Footballguy
I know of five sporting good stores that sell suppressors out in the open. They are in the case with the pistols.
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