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The Annual Offseason - ***It's never too early for a mock*** (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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So this is my first swing at things and I'm glad nobody looks back on the first mocks of the year. Some of these guys won't be first rounders (or maybe even second or thirds) but the buzz around them right now puts them in the category.

This is more for conversation about where teams' weaknesses appear to be right now and who some of the up and coming skill players might be next year, and where they might land. I might have whiffed on some teams' needs too.

But whatever. Just remember, I'm only a guy with a dry sense of humor, a lot of time on his hands during the day, access to the internet, and a willingness to take wild guesses. So don't take this to Vegas.

One more note. Current order is based on NFL.com standings rankings. I know the bottom of the order is messed up and I don't expect the order to look anything like this come April time but you've got to start somewhere.

Carolina Panthers - Andrew Luck, QB - Stanford

What else are they going to do? So far Clausen has proven NFL GM's right and Matt Moore is obviously not the answer.

Buffalo Bills - Jake Locker, QB - Washington

Like our fearless leader says "Let me be clear" - I think Locker is going to be a bust. But again, this franchise has no choice but to roll the dice on "upside" here.

San Francisco 49ers - Robert Quinn, DE/OLB - North Carolina

Not sure if a guy that's been suspended for the entire year belongs here, but the 49ers need some outside pressure if they can't get one of the top QBs.

Detroit Lions - Derek Sherrod, OT - Mississippi State

For two seasons now, Stafford paid the price for them not drafting Michael Oher.

Cleveland Browns - A.J. Greene, WR - Georgia

This team has almost ZERO playmaking ability and the experiment of WR mediocrity has to end.

Dallas Cowboys - Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama

Their front three needs an infusion of youth.

San Diego Chargers - Cameron Heyward, DE - Ohio State

So does San Diego's.

New England Patriots (via Oakland Raiders ) Mark Ingram, RB - Alabama

And the rich get richer. Nice trade, Oakland.

Denver Broncos - Prince Amakamura, CB - Nebraska

Bailey is getting older and might not be resigned. And they whiffed on Alphonso Smith.

Minnesota Vikings - Stefen Wisniewski, C - Penn State

The biggest source of the Vikings offensive troubles is the lousy play of their o-line - specifically at center.

Cincinnati Bengals - Adrian Clayborn, DE - Iowa

Antwan Odom was a terrible resigning and they could really use some help at both QB and the defensive line.

Washington Redskins - Jonathan Baldwin, WR - Pittsburgh

Santana Moss isn't getting any younger and the two guys the drafted a couple years back are gone. Anthony Armstrong is a nice story, but this would be a huge upgrade.

St. Louis Rams - Bruce Carter, OLB - North Carolina

This looks to be a team coming together. Some more help on the defensive side would be most welcome but I just can't have them take a d-lineman AGAIN.

Jacksonville Jaguars - Brandon Harris, CB - Miami

Perhaps the worst secondary in football. What happened to Reshean Mathis?

Green Bay Packers - Anthony Castonzo, OT - Boston College

Like Detroit, they can't continue to have their franchise QB get abused week in/out.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Demarco Murray, RB - Oklahoma

I'm not sure Murray is the best talent, but the cupboard's almost bare at the spot in Tampa.

Seattle Seahawks - Patrick Peterson, CB - LSU

Their pass defense is among the league's worst for more than one reason. Peterson could fill multiple spots.

Miami Dolphins - Kyle Rudolph, TE - Notre Dame

The TE spot isn't giving them much but if it did I think it would really improve the offense.

Kansas City Chiefs - Julio Jones, Wr - Alabama

Dwayne Bowe is just too up and down.

Arizona Cardinals - Aaron Williams, CB - Texas

Rodgers-Cromartie is okay, but they have nothing to play opposite him.

Tennessee Titans - Cameron Jordan, DE - California

Would form a great duo when Morgan returns.

Philadelphia Eagles - DeMarcus Love, OT - Arkansas

That o-line is a HUGE problem for a team with higher aspirations.

New York Giants - Greg Jones, ILB - Michigan State

Might be a bit undersized but the kid is a multi year starter that should come in and play immediately.

New Orleans Saints - Allen Bailey DE - Miami

If anything, they need some depth along the line and they seem to be perpetually shuffling guys in at the DE position.

Indianapolis Colts - Stephen Paea, DT - Oregon State

They STILL need to get stronger against the run.

Houston Texans - Ras-I Dowling, CB - Virginia

They STILL need to get better on defense - particularly against the pass.

Chicago Bears - Da'Quan Bowers, DE - Clemson

Yes they need o-line help but they also cut two guys and have backups playing opposite Peppers.

Baltimore Ravens - Curtis Brown, CB - Texas

I think everyone knows where this team's weakness is.

Atlanta Falcons - Ryan Kerrigan, DE - Purdue

Abraham won't play forever and Anderson has been a bust.

Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Pouncey, OG - Florida

Would be too cool having the Pouncey's playing next to each other.

New England Patriots - Von Miller, OLB - Texas A&M

Falls right into their laps and improves one of their obvious needs.

New York Jets - Jeremy Beal, OLB - Oklahoma

As if this defense needed more firepower. The one thing lacking is a bit of youthful outside rush.
 
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The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.

 
Think you mean Stafford for Detroit. Otherwise interesting first pass.
Thanks. Of course.
No Ryan Williams?
From Va. Tech? I'm not sure he's draft eligilbe, is he? I made some guesses as to who would/wouldn't come out.
The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this...Fox will be fired and possibly Hurney. The new guys won't have any ties to Clausen and rebuilding a franchise starts with the QB - look at Atlanta and St. Louis.
 
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While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.

Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.

With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.

 
While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.
I had them taking a CB in one iteration. Peterson would be a great fit for that team.Still, even though they have drafted the position for a while, the o-line is still problematic.
 
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While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.
I had them taking a CB in one iteration. Peterson would be a great fit for that team.Still, even though they have drafted the position for a while, the o-line is still problematic.
It has been problematic...but I don't think its due to the guys they took.They are still holding on to Tauscher and Clifton (Cliffy might be done though, just looks a step slow).If they can get Lang up to speed to play RT...Bulaga will be over that at LT if he can continue to play and improve as he goes.Though, they will also need a LG as Colledge is still struggling.
 
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I could see the Rams taking a WR. The need weapons other than SJ. Speaking of SJ, I bet they take another RB somewhere in the 2nd to 4th rounds to take some of his workload off.

Love the Pouncey pick for the Steelers.

 
While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.
I had them taking a CB in one iteration. Peterson would be a great fit for that team.Still, even though they have drafted the position for a while, the o-line is still problematic.
It has been problematic...but I don't think its due to the guys they took.They are still holding on to Tauscher and Clifton (Cliffy might be done though, just looks a step slow).If they can get Lang up to speed to play RT...Bulaga will be over that at LT if he can continue to play and improve as he goes.Though, they will also need a LG as Colledge is still struggling.
How has Bulaga played lately? It would be a shame if they had to make him a guard (if he can even play that position). There's always that option, though.
 
Good effort...the one thing though I've noticed about the draft though about RB's is that unless the player is an elite talent, a team rarely seems to say "we have a need at RB, whose there in Round 1?". The player has to be perceived as an elite talent.

So while I think Ingram is a great fit for the Pats, Murray has to show more to warrent a Round 1 grade.

 
While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.
I had them taking a CB in one iteration. Peterson would be a great fit for that team.Still, even though they have drafted the position for a while, the o-line is still problematic.
It has been problematic...but I don't think its due to the guys they took.They are still holding on to Tauscher and Clifton (Cliffy might be done though, just looks a step slow).If they can get Lang up to speed to play RT...Bulaga will be over that at LT if he can continue to play and improve as he goes.Though, they will also need a LG as Colledge is still struggling.
How has Bulaga played lately? It would be a shame if they had to make him a guard (if he can even play that position). There's always that option, though.
He was ok his first game, struggled vs. Wake last week.I could see either he or Lang playing guard.
 
Great write up. It was fun to read.

My only real problem is that the Bills are obviously going to have that first overall pick. :)

And I agree that Luck will be the top pick so just switch the two teams and you'll make me happy. haha

 
Jags secondary stinks but the biggest issue there is at safety, not corner.

More importantly, they NEED a franchise QB. Even if Ponder or Mallett don't carry a first-round grade, they need to draft one there.

 
Good effort...the one thing though I've noticed about the draft though about RB's is that unless the player is an elite talent, a team rarely seems to say "we have a need at RB, whose there in Round 1?". The player has to be perceived as an elite talent.So while I think Ingram is a great fit for the Pats, Murray has to show more to warrent a Round 1 grade.
I agree with this. Murray has played well but it would still be a stretch for him to make it into the 1st. This was more a reflection of need so it's sort of a place holder pick. Another RB might start to show worthy of that pick.
You are a fool if you think the Panthers will draft a QB. It will be a Dlineman or the WR from Georgia.
Calm down. Like I said in the preface, this is more of what teams need than a prediction of what they'll do. Regardless, I can't see them taking a d-lineman or WR with the #2 overall pick.
 
Jags secondary stinks but the biggest issue there is at safety, not corner.More importantly, they NEED a franchise QB. Even if Ponder or Mallett don't carry a first-round grade, they need to draft one there.
Haven't been too many safeties that have stood out this year yet.But you're right that I probably should have found room for Ponder. Mallett I'm not sure about.
 
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Good effort...the one thing though I've noticed about the draft though about RB's is that unless the player is an elite talent, a team rarely seems to say "we have a need at RB, whose there in Round 1?". The player has to be perceived as an elite talent.

So while I think Ingram is a great fit for the Pats, Murray has to show more to warrent a Round 1 grade.
I agree with this. Murray has played well but it would still be a stretch for him to make it into the 1st. This was more a reflection of need so it's sort of a place holder pick. Another RB might start to show worthy of that pick.
You are a fool if you think the Panthers will draft a QB. It will be a Dlineman or the WR from Georgia.
Calm down. Like I said in the preface, this is more of what teams need than a prediction of what they'll do.

Regardless, I can't see them taking a d-lineman or WR with the #2 overall pick.
That makes no sense.
 
I can see the Rams going Julio Jones instead of the OLB.
I had a tough time putting Jones into the first at all.It'll be interesting to see how the WR position shakes out in StL as the season progresses. And we'll also have to track where Avery and Clayton are in their recoveries before we can start looking at a WR to the Rams.
 
Regardless, I can't see them taking a d-lineman or WR with the #2 overall pick.
That makes no sense.
Yes it does. There's no Ndamukong Suh in this year's draft. And while A.J. Green is good, I don't think he's Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald good.Sooooo... that means that I don't think that the Panthers would be wise to spend the #2 pick on these positions.
But you see Andy, they will trade down... Nice job as usual, these are fun at any time of the year.
 
Regardless, I can't see them taking a d-lineman or WR with the #2 overall pick.
That makes no sense.
Yes it does. There's no Ndamukong Suh in this year's draft. And while A.J. Green is good, I don't think he's Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald good.

Sooooo... that means that I don't think that the Panthers would be wise to spend the #2 pick on these positions.
But you see Andy, they will trade down... Nice job as usual, these are fun at any time of the year.
:coffee: Brewer gets it.
 
I really hope Niners are able to land one of the top qb's...I can't take another year of Alex Smith. And honestly, despite having some holes on defense, it's by far the biggest need. They have to make that happen if they're at all serious about being contenders anytime soon.

 
I really hope Niners are able to land one of the top qb's...I can't take another year of Alex Smith. And honestly, despite having some holes on defense, it's by far the biggest need. They have to make that happen if they're at all serious about being contenders anytime soon.
I agree. Problem is that this is the case for about half or more of the teams in the league. And there just aren't that many good QBs to go around.Maybe they'd be a team to roll the dice on guys like Ponder, Mallett in the first or Pat Devlin or Taylor Potts (not your typical Texas Tech type QB) in the 2nd.
 
Not too wild about Ponder or Devlin, not familiar with Mallett, but I rather like Potts.

Anyhow, if this team keeps sucking as they have, we may end up with a top 5 pick. It would be fantastic if Alex Smith's parting gift to this team was Luck.

 
So, another interesting side story to this draft is what is going to happen with the CBA. If they get the top end rookie salaries in line, it might actually be possible to once again draft the best player available in the first 5 picks or so instead of having to be worried about the salary implications.

 
If the Bears do not go O-line with their first rounder, then they deserve the losses they will continue to get.

Their offense is not horrible, if they could only block.

 
If the Bears do not go O-line with their first rounder, then they deserve the losses they will continue to get.Their offense is not horrible, if they could only block.
Definitely. But the o-line talent this year appears kinda thin at this point. Seems like there's a lot of depth at the d-line and d-back positions.
 
If the Bears do not go O-line with their first rounder, then they deserve the losses they will continue to get.Their offense is not horrible, if they could only block.
Definitely. But the o-line talent this year appears kinda thin at this point. Seems like there's a lot of depth at the d-line and d-back positions.
Even more reason to go O-line in the first then, if the prospects thin out so quickly. If there is more depth at D-line and DB, then you can surely get a better prospect in the 2nd at one of those 2 positions than a 2nd round o-lineman, yes?Makes sense to me anyway...
 
New Orleans Saints - Allen Bailey DE - Miami

If anything, they need some depth along the line and they seem to be perpetually shuffling guys in at the DE position.
Maybe. I think he's a little light at 288 lbs to play opposite Will Smith. They seem to like the DE opposite Smith to be bigger and effective against the run. Bailey seems like an athletic freak who could be groomed to replace Smith who will be 30 when the season starts next year.As always, I hope that the Saints draft a legit OLB. They have rotated players at OLB since preseason with injuries shelving some guys (Casillas) and meh production from others (Dunbar). They could really use an elite or superior talent rather than projects or stopgap players.

 
New Orleans Saints - Allen Bailey DE - Miami

If anything, they need some depth along the line and they seem to be perpetually shuffling guys in at the DE position.
Maybe. I think he's a little light at 288 lbs to play opposite Will Smith. They seem to like the DE opposite Smith to be bigger and effective against the run. Bailey seems like an athletic freak who could be groomed to replace Smith who will be 30 when the season starts next year.As always, I hope that the Saints draft a legit OLB. They have rotated players at OLB since preseason with injuries shelving some guys (Casillas) and meh production from others (Dunbar). They could really use an elite or superior talent rather than projects or stopgap players.
Seem to be a few OLB prospects that are pretty decent too.
 
The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this...Fox will be fired and possibly Hurney. The new guys won't have any ties to Clausen and rebuilding a franchise starts with the QB - look at Atlanta and St. Louis.
I wonder when the last time a team drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in back to back years.In 89, the Cowboys drafted Aikman #1 overall and Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft. That didn't work out so well for the Cowboys, as the pick they gave up for Walsh turned out to be the #1 overall pick in 90.
 
LarryAllen said:
The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this...Fox will be fired and possibly Hurney. The new guys won't have any ties to Clausen and rebuilding a franchise starts with the QB - look at Atlanta and St. Louis.
I wonder when the last time a team drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in back to back years.In 89, the Cowboys drafted Aikman #1 overall and Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft. That didn't work out so well for the Cowboys, as the pick they gave up for Walsh turned out to be the #1 overall pick in 90.
Excellent point. I went back to '88 and it hasn't happened since then. The Dolphins come the closest with picking Beck & Henne in the 2nd in '07-'08.Edit: In '82-'38 the Baltimore Colts selected Art Schlichter at 1.4 and John Elway at 1.1.
 
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LarryAllen said:
The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this...Fox will be fired and possibly Hurney. The new guys won't have any ties to Clausen and rebuilding a franchise starts with the QB - look at Atlanta and St. Louis.
I wonder when the last time a team drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in back to back years.In 89, the Cowboys drafted Aikman #1 overall and Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft. That didn't work out so well for the Cowboys, as the pick they gave up for Walsh turned out to be the #1 overall pick in 90.
Claussen was a 2nd rounder.
 
While GB has had Oline issues, they have been drafting OT for the last few years.Between Bulaga, Newhouse, Lang, I think they feel ok there.With the age of Woodson and Harris and how bad they suck on special teams, if Patrick Peterson is there...I hope they grab him.
I had them taking a CB in one iteration. Peterson would be a great fit for that team.Still, even though they have drafted the position for a while, the o-line is still problematic.
It has been problematic...but I don't think its due to the guys they took.They are still holding on to Tauscher and Clifton (Cliffy might be done though, just looks a step slow).If they can get Lang up to speed to play RT...Bulaga will be over that at LT if he can continue to play and improve as he goes.Though, they will also need a LG as Colledge is still struggling.
How has Bulaga played lately? It would be a shame if they had to make him a guard (if he can even play that position). There's always that option, though.
He was ok his first game, struggled vs. Wake last week.I could see either he or Lang playing guard.
Bulaga has been good. He struggled a bit vs Orakpo last week, but he's a LT not a RT, and has only played RT for two weeks of practice. He was responsible for 1 sack in two games. Not bad. TJ Lang looked quite good last year, but had offseason wrist surgery and hasn't gotten his power back yet. He looks like the RT of the future. Packers have a good young CB in Tramon Williams, but definitely need another next year. If Burnett struggles coming back from his ACL next year, it could be Woodson and Collins at safety. My early guess would be priorities of CB, RB, WR. (Jones and Nelson have shown they aren't the future starters, and it takes a year or two to learn the position, so drafting Drivers' replacement in 2011 isn't out of the question.)
 
Bulaga has been good. He struggled a bit vs Orakpo last week, but he's a LT not a RT, and has only played RT for two weeks of practice. He was responsible for 1 sack in two games. Not bad. TJ Lang looked quite good last year, but had offseason wrist surgery and hasn't gotten his power back yet. He looks like the RT of the future. Packers have a good young CB in Tramon Williams, but definitely need another next year. If Burnett struggles coming back from his ACL next year, it could be Woodson and Collins at safety. My early guess would be priorities of CB, RB, WR. (Jones and Nelson have shown they aren't the future starters, and it takes a year or two to learn the position, so drafting Drivers' replacement in 2011 isn't out of the question.)
Agreed...and watching again last night...Bulaga really was only beat by Wake for a sack once for sure.I think one of Wake's sacks he was chipped well by Hall (FB) and Rodgers held on too long and tried getting away but could not escape.And I could see Woodson playing safety. He already plays all over the place...and looks slower this year in pass coverage but has been very good in run support.Also agree on priorities. RB may jump over CB...but they need those positions you listed and hopefully someone in the mix who can do returns (not sure yet on a round, but how about a good ol Badger David Gilreath in a later round).
 
I don't know about the Saints & DE.

This may be a tryout for Chris Ivory so maybe this depends on whether he breaks out, but even if he does.... Pierre Thomas has been threatening to walk, Reggie has his contract term coming up, and the Saints tried to draft Beanie Wells last year (09), and they like to load up before they get stuck with lineup holes (amazing concept, new to teh Saints)....

....so a RB in the 1st might very well be on the horizon for them.

 
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I think he's been out a while with a hamstring injury. Anybody know his status?
Quick google search turns this up:
Virginia Tech yesterday listed sophomore tailback Ryan Williams (Stonewall Jackson) as probable for tomorrow's noon home game against Duke. Williams has missed the past four games after injuring his right hamstring Sept. 18 against East Carolina.Williams entered the season as Tech's top tailback after running for a school-record 1,655 yards in 2009. He was listed as questionable for last Saturday's game against Wake Forest. He was listed as out before each of the previous three games. Running backs coach Billy Hite said Tuesday that he expected Williams to play one or two series against Duke.
 
Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Pouncey, OG - Florida

Would be too cool having the Pouncey's playing next to each other.

Mike has reportedly been rather abysmal thus far.

And he was never thought of being an equal physical talent as it was.

I think you are right about him headed to the Steelers (its been hinted at previously) but we are looking at round 3 or later.

 
LarryAllen said:
The Panthers will absolutely not draft a QB. I don't know what direction they WILL go, but QB is definitely not going to happen.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this...Fox will be fired and possibly Hurney. The new guys won't have any ties to Clausen and rebuilding a franchise starts with the QB - look at Atlanta and St. Louis.
I wonder when the last time a team drafted QBs in the top 2 rounds in back to back years.In 89, the Cowboys drafted Aikman #1 overall and Steve Walsh in the 1st round of the supplemental draft. That didn't work out so well for the Cowboys, as the pick they gave up for Walsh turned out to be the #1 overall pick in 90.
Actually it did turn out pretty well because the Cowboys got a 1 and a 2 and a 3 (the Lawrence Welk Trade) from the Saints for Walsh later on.{Rumor was always that the Saints had their pick of Aikman or Walsh and they went with Walsh}.
 
Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Pouncey, OG - Florida

Would be too cool having the Pouncey's playing next to each other.

Mike has reportedly been rather abysmal thus far.

And he was never thought of being an equal physical talent as it was.

I think you are right about him headed to the Steelers (its been hinted at previously) but we are looking at round 3 or later.
Interesting. Haven't seen much of the Steelers this year. What are the other weaknesses they could be looking to fill? Other than Harrison's head, I mean.
 
Philadelphia Eagles - DeMarcus Love, OT - ArkansasThat o-line is a HUGE problem for a team with higher aspirations.
It is. Reid tends not to start rookies on the O-Line, though, so chances are whoever is taken here is a development project, and immediate help will come from free agency. G and C are bigger issues than T right now, but given Reid's philosophy, he'll just take who he thinks is the best lineman available regardless of position.
 

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