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The anti-PIV movement (1 Viewer)

Jewell

Footballguy
Alright, which one of your exes is behind the below blog post?

PIV = penis in ######

PIV is always rape, ok?

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Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.

This is a developed recap from what I’ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I’ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolising the female orifice) whether she thinks she wants it or not – which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances – it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanised by this act. It is an act of violence.

As FCM pointed out some time ago, intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women. The purpose of men enforcing intercourse regularly (as in, more than once a month) onto women is because it’s the surest way to cause pregnancy and force childbearing against our will, and thereby gain control over our reproductive powers. There is no way to eliminate the pregnancy risk entirely off PIV and the mitigating and harm-reduction practices such as contraception and abortion are inherently harmful, too. Reproductive harms of PIV range from pregnancy to abortion, having to take invasive, or toxic contraception, giving birth, forced child bearing and rearing and all the complications that go with them which may lead up to severe physical and emotional damage, disability, destitution, illness, or death (See factcheckme.wordpress.com for her work on the reproductive harms of PIV, click on the “intercourse series” page or “PIV” in the search bar). If we compare this to even the crappiest online definition of violence: “behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something”. Bingo. It fits: Pregnancy = may hurt, damage or kill. Intercourse = a man using his physical force to penetrate a woman. Intention / purpose of the act of intercourse = to cause pregnancy. PIV is therefore intentional harm / violence. Intentional sexual harm of a man against a woman through penile penetration = RAPE.

If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can’t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it’s absolutely revolting and violating.

The term “#### you” is not an insult for nothing, men know why – it’s the worst thing you can do to a human being. It is in itself an extremely physically invasive act, very often painful, generally at the beginning before the pain may be cut off by the genital arousal; causes all sorts of tears, bruises, swelling, discomfort, STDs, ######l infections, urinary infections, genital warts, HIV and death. Not to forget the additional sado-gynecological interventions/ costs of PIV-maintenance, and all the secondary physical mutiliation and financial costs that go with our duty to make ourselves look decorative for male sexual consumption – such as hair removal, make-up, starvation or forced feeding, torturous limb deforming or cutting up, etc.

The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it’s not meant to be. The ######’s primary function isn’t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the ###### is completely unnecessary for conception.

There’s a reason men need to groom us into it, and why this grooming takes so long- because it’s so grossly violating and traumatising that we would otherwise never submit to intercourse. The only reason we may now not feel raped or have the impression we desired or initiated PIV, is because men broke down our barriers very skillfully and progressively from birth, breaking down our natural defences to pain and invasion, our confidence in our own perceptions and sensations of fear and disgust that tell us male sexual invasion is painful, harmful and traumatic.

Through an all-pervasive and powerful male propaganda, they stuff our minds from infancy with the idea that PIV is normal, desirable and erotic, before we can even conceive of it as something horrifying, and make sure we never see any alternative to their lie – or that if we do, we can no longer take in the information, are punished for thinking and saying otherwise. The fact we may not immediately feel raped doesn’t mean it’s not rape, objectively speaking. To give a classic example, many women in prostitution may not identify the act of prostitution as rape, except if the act wasn’t paid for. It doesn’t stop us from saying that all prostitution is rape. We know that our subjective feelings or thoughts may be colonised by men’s perspectives and as radical feminists we don’t let that override and erase the objective reality of violence. (PS -The reason why ONLY the lack of payment is defined as rape is because the offence here isn’t against the prostituted woman but the pimp who was deprived of his income. Rape comes from rapt, which is an old word for theft of woman-as-property.)

Lastly, from a structural point of view, as a class oppressed by men, we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage. Men, by whom we are possessed, colonised and held captive, are the sole agents and organisers of PIV. Men dominate us precisely so we can’t opt out of sexual abuse by them; intercourse is the very means through which men subordinate us, the very purpose of their domination, to control human reproduction.
 

Jewell

Footballguy
PIV FAQ...

Why Do We Keep Having PIV??

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PIV (penis in ######) intercourse is considered to be the definition of “normal” sex by doctors, psychologists, TV, and most men. But should putting the penis in the ###### be considered the only way to have sex, or even a normal way?

Let’s examine some myths:

- Having PIV is the only way to get pregnant. Not true. Sperm can swim up the ###### from the outside. Pregnancy is often caused this way.

- PIV is the most enjoyable type of sex. This is bull####. It is enjoyable for most men, not most women. Everyone’s different, but most women like having their ######## stimulated instead. The ###### has no nerves inside, so the pleasure a woman feels during PIV usually comes from stimulating the ########, too. Why not stimulate the ######## with the penis? Both partners get pleasure. Most women do not enjoy PIV as much as clitoral stimulation; some hate PIV. Saying “PIV is pleasurable” is very opinionated, like saying “ice cream tastes good”, or “red is the best color”.

- The ###### is a hole, it’s meant to be penetrated. Nostrils and ears are holes. Should they be penetrated as well? How about the ######? Belly button? Throat? Urethra? Some holes are not meant to be penetrated. Sadly, many men view a woman as a hole-filled object to stick things into.

- The ###### can spit out babies, so it can take objects inside it as well. No. Just because a hole on the body can spit an object out doesn’t mean it is meant to take objects inside of it. You can poop; does that mean anal sex is normal or enjoyable? You can spit; does that mean deep throating is enjoyable? What about using an open wound? That’s a hole, too. Some holes on the body are not meant to be filled with objects.

- PIV is the most common form of sex in movies, books, history, TV, and our society, so it’s the most normal one. Just because something is common or has always existed in history doesn’t make it good or normal. Being racist was common a few hundred years ago. Does that make being racist right or normal? Men are in charge of most of the media, including the movie, book, and music industries. Their opinions are more represented. Men usually enjoy PIV much more than women, who sometimes hate it. PIV is portrayed as the main way to have sex in books and movies because men enjoy it. Women’s enjoyment is either ignored, or movies show a higher percentage of women liking PIV than do in real life.

- Most women have PIV, and they don’t complain, so they must enjoy it. How do you know you really enjoy something if society and the media- movies, books, and TV- are constantly trying to make you like it? Some women fool themselves into thinking they like PIV because friends, the TV, doctors, psychologists, and of course, husbands, make them think there’s something wrong with them physically or psychologically if they don’t. Does this mean women like PIV? If they need to drastically change their attitude or body to like it, they obviously don’t really like it!

- The penis is shaped like a long stick because it’s meant to go inside the ######. The fist is shaped like a long stick. Is the fist meant to go down the throat? Is the penis supposed to go up the ######? The fist up the ######? Not all penises are big and long. Some barely poke out at all. Some are smaller than the average labia and ######## (there are many big labia and ########es, like there are small penises). There are different sizes and shapes among both male and female genitals. The idea that penises need to be big is socially constructed. Boys who have penises society considers too small are taken to the doctor to help it grow. Women with big ########es and labia might get surgery to “fix” the “problem”. Girls are told to sit with their legs together, which causes the genitals to be squeezed smaller. Boys are told to touch and pay attention to their penises, and this attention and physical contact helps them grow more than they would otherwise. Society considers big penises and small ########es/tight ######s ideal, but this spells out certain disaster for boys and girls who practice PIV- bigness crossed with tightness leads to pain for the female!

- If you don’t like PIV, you’re prude, repressed, or anti-sex. PIV is not the only way to have sex, and should not even be considered the normal sexual act, so you are not anti-sex if you don’t like it. You may like other activities, like having your ######## kissed or stroked, or touched with the penis, or rubbing up against your partner. Not liking sex AT ALL isn’t a bad thing, either. Not everyone likes sex just as not everyone likes chocolate, sushi, classical music. Calling women who don’t like PIV (or other sex acts) prude is a tactic men use to trick you into sex or PIV.

What do I do if my boyfriend/husband wants to have PIV and I don’t want to? What if he pressures me into having it?

Just Say No! If you don’t want to do something, you don’t have to do it, or feel bad about refusing to do it. If he pressures you into it, he is being a pest and needs to be told to stop. If he accuses you of not loving him or else you’d give him PIV, he’s wrong. Not wanting to do things you aren’t comfortable with doesn’t mean you don’t love him. If he loved you, he wouldn’t try to guilt you into having PIV (or any other type of sex).

My husband/boyfriend/partner and I started having PIV and I asked him to stop and he didn’t. Is this wrong?

If he kept going once you told him to stop, it’s rape, pure and simple. “Wait, I’m almost finished” is not acceptable. If you are being hurt now, or want to stop now, he needs to stop now. If he waits a bit until he’s “finished” once you’ve said to stop, it means he thinks his enjoyment is more important than your safety. That’s rape. You need to send him to a counselor, report him, or end the relationship. It’s that serious.

Some men say once they start they can’t stop because it’s a “natural urge”. If that’s true, how come when parents are in bed and their child walks in, they always stop? Or when they are in bed and the phone rings? Or if a stranger enters the house? Men always stop then. If a child entering the room, a phone ringing, or a stranger breaking in are enough to get him to stop this “natural urge”, you asking to stop should be just as important.

Can I still have PIV if I want to?

Of course! It’s a free country. Not all women hate PIV; some don’t mind it; some even enjoy it. Most women who enjoy it enjoy ######## stimulation more. But everyone’s an individual and we all get pleasure in different ways. Some people get an orgasm from being kissed on the ear; others get one from being penetrated; some like being cut with objects. That’s their right, and they should feel free to do what they enjoy.

Pleasure isn’t the only important thing: we need to know PIV carries risks other sexual practices are less likely to. PIV is more likely to cause pregnancy than other acts, like oral sex. It can lead to higher rates of cervical cancer or disease in women, since they are the ones receiving fluids.

You should certainly feel free to have PIV if you want. It’s your right to choose from a variety of sexual acts. The important thing is that you understand the risks some acts carry, just as you should understand the risks of riding a bike or driving a car or drinking alcohol.

Why do I feel weird for not liking PIV?

You may feel weird because society tells you it’s normal to enjoy it. Movies and songs only use the word “sex” to refer to PIV, as if clitoral stimulation or other acts don’t count as “real” sex. Sex practices women like are called “foreplay”, as if they aren’t as important.

Many women use tons of lubricant or even take medicine to make PIV enjoyable or less painful (some girls actually get pain from PIV). If women get pain from PIV they might be labeled “too tight” and urged to visit doctors so they can get “fixed”. They get diagnosed with made-up conditions like “vaginismus”, even though women’s ######s may not be designed to be penetrated. Psychologists ask women who hate PIV if they were sexually abused as children or have diseases making PIV difficult. It’s not about helping women be safe and happy; it’s about taking a “broken” woman who doesn’t enjoy PIV and “fixing” her for her husband or boyfriend.

Doctor assume PIV is normal and anyone who can’t do it or doesn’t enjoy it needs to be fixed. This is proof of the bias in our society, a bias in favor of men and their enjoyment, and against women and their right not to be harmed.

What about his enjoyment?

What about it? You have no obligation to perform uncomfortable or painful acts to give someone else pleasure, especially sexual ones. He can stimulate his penis by rubbing against your ######## or other places. (Since semen outside the ###### can cause pregnancy, use protection). Losing enjoyment doesn’t feel as bad as having pain, so it’s better he loses enjoyment than you be hurt. If PIV doesn’t hurt but isn’t enjoyable either, you still shouldn’t be pressured into doing it. In fact, even if you enjoy it you shouldn’t be obligated to do it. It is wrong for your boyfriend/husband to expect you to please him. You don’t use other people for pleasure. It’s wrong and evil.

But doesn’t PIV give him more pleasure than just rubbing?

So? You’re still not under obligation to please another person by doing something you don’t want to do. What if choking him gave him more pleasure than PIV? Are you obligated to choke him? What if choking him while he uses drugs give him even more pleasure than just choking him? Should you buy him drugs, too? What if kicking people gives him pleasure because he’s a sadist- should you let him kick you in the stomach? No.

If PIV is not enjoyable to a large number of women, why do so many lesbians use dildos or other types of fake penises?

Lots of lesbians do not use such things. Dildos and penis-shaped objects were invented because society likes to think women need males to be sexually happy. Many lesbians have discovered the magic of the ######## instead. Some lesbians who buy dildos do it because they are fooled, like heterosexuals, into thinking penetration is the most pleasurable thing for a woman. Of course, some lesbians, like some heterosexuals, do like being penetrated. But it’s very rude for society to assume all of them like it, or to assume that a woman needs a man or a man-shaped object to be happy.

My partner didn’t pressure me into having PIV, I chose to myself. But I felt uncomfortable afterward. Why?

It may be because you didn’t really want to after all. Society can coerce you, like a sexual predator, into sexual acts. Society often acts like a rapist. It tells women they must have PIV, or else. Often, a girl thinks she’s choosing PIV, but it turns out she’s been pushed into it by society teaching her it’s normal, and it feels like she was raped. She was raped by society, if not her boyfriend.

If the PIV was painful, you may also be angry at the idea that men are capable of hurting women sexually, but not the other way around. It feels like crap- like nature made you inferior because you are hurt-able and not him. But suppose you slammed your ######## and labia up against his ####…wouldn’t that hurt him? It’s not true, then, that women can’t hurt men sexually. But society would never call such an act “normal sex” because the male would be getting injured. Yet they call PIV “normal sex”, even though it injures females. And since PIV is not necessary for pregnancy, the reproductive argument for calling PIV “normal” is a total joke too.

But isn’t PIV the natural way to have sex? Isn’t it instinctive or something?

No. Not all animals have PIV, and not all humans do. In societies or eras in which sex is not discussed, young men don’t even know how to have PIV- they have to be taught to put their penises in women’s ######s. If it were a natural instinct why would they need to be taught to do it? Some men say it’s natural to fool women into thinking it’s something they’re supposed to do, or make excuses after they rape someone.

It feels weird not having PIV. It’s like we didn’t go “all the way” or something.

This feeling is due to cultural conditioning- society pushes you to think PIV is “real” sex. PIV is just one type of sex. If society considered anal sex “real” sex, or sex in which one partner chokes the other, or sex where the penis tore through the cervix into the uterus, you might have had similar feelings about those acts. You don’t need to have PIV to say you’ve “had sex.” If you enjoy PIV, go ahead and have it, but learn about the bad consequences, and make sure your desire to do it wasn’t influenced by other people or the media. It’s good to add a variety of sexual acts to your pool of choices, as long as you make sure you are being true to your own heart and not doing anything you’re uncomfortable with.

Please share this pamphlet with other girls and don’t be afraid to discuss PIV with friends, if they don’t mind discussing such matters.

 

Jewell

Footballguy
Lastly, from a structural point of view, as a class oppressed by men, we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage.
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Wilfredo Ledezma

Footballguy
PIV FAQ...

Why Do We Keep Having PIV??

Facebook Group

PIV (penis in ######) intercourse is considered to be the definition of “normal” sex by doctors, psychologists, TV, and most men. But should putting the penis in the ###### be considered the only way to have sex, or even a normal way?

Let’s examine some myths:

- Having PIV is the only way to get pregnant. Not true. Sperm can swim up the ###### from the outside. Pregnancy is often caused this way.

- PIV is the most enjoyable type of sex. This is bull####. It is enjoyable for most men, not most women. Everyone’s different, but most women like having their ######## stimulated instead. The ###### has no nerves inside, so the pleasure a woman feels during PIV usually comes from stimulating the ########, too. Why not stimulate the ######## with the penis? Both partners get pleasure. Most women do not enjoy PIV as much as clitoral stimulation; some hate PIV. Saying “PIV is pleasurable” is very opinionated, like saying “ice cream tastes good”, or “red is the best color”.

- The ###### is a hole, it’s meant to be penetrated. Nostrils and ears are holes. Should they be penetrated as well? How about the ######? Belly button? Throat? Urethra? Some holes are not meant to be penetrated. Sadly, many men view a woman as a hole-filled object to stick things into.

- The ###### can spit out babies, so it can take objects inside it as well. No. Just because a hole on the body can spit an object out doesn’t mean it is meant to take objects inside of it. You can poop; does that mean anal sex is normal or enjoyable? You can spit; does that mean deep throating is enjoyable? What about using an open wound? That’s a hole, too. Some holes on the body are not meant to be filled with objects.

- PIV is the most common form of sex in movies, books, history, TV, and our society, so it’s the most normal one. Just because something is common or has always existed in history doesn’t make it good or normal. Being racist was common a few hundred years ago. Does that make being racist right or normal? Men are in charge of most of the media, including the movie, book, and music industries. Their opinions are more represented. Men usually enjoy PIV much more than women, who sometimes hate it. PIV is portrayed as the main way to have sex in books and movies because men enjoy it. Women’s enjoyment is either ignored, or movies show a higher percentage of women liking PIV than do in real life.

- Most women have PIV, and they don’t complain, so they must enjoy it. How do you know you really enjoy something if society and the media- movies, books, and TV- are constantly trying to make you like it? Some women fool themselves into thinking they like PIV because friends, the TV, doctors, psychologists, and of course, husbands, make them think there’s something wrong with them physically or psychologically if they don’t. Does this mean women like PIV? If they need to drastically change their attitude or body to like it, they obviously don’t really like it!

- The penis is shaped like a long stick because it’s meant to go inside the ######. The fist is shaped like a long stick. Is the fist meant to go down the throat? Is the penis supposed to go up the ######? The fist up the ######? Not all penises are big and long. Some barely poke out at all. Some are smaller than the average labia and ######## (there are many big labia and ########es, like there are small penises). There are different sizes and shapes among both male and female genitals. The idea that penises need to be big is socially constructed. Boys who have penises society considers too small are taken to the doctor to help it grow. Women with big ########es and labia might get surgery to “fix” the “problem”. Girls are told to sit with their legs together, which causes the genitals to be squeezed smaller. Boys are told to touch and pay attention to their penises, and this attention and physical contact helps them grow more than they would otherwise. Society considers big penises and small ########es/tight ######s ideal, but this spells out certain disaster for boys and girls who practice PIV- bigness crossed with tightness leads to pain for the female!

- If you don’t like PIV, you’re prude, repressed, or anti-sex. PIV is not the only way to have sex, and should not even be considered the normal sexual act, so you are not anti-sex if you don’t like it. You may like other activities, like having your ######## kissed or stroked, or touched with the penis, or rubbing up against your partner. Not liking sex AT ALL isn’t a bad thing, either. Not everyone likes sex just as not everyone likes chocolate, sushi, classical music. Calling women who don’t like PIV (or other sex acts) prude is a tactic men use to trick you into sex or PIV.

What do I do if my boyfriend/husband wants to have PIV and I don’t want to? What if he pressures me into having it?

Just Say No! If you don’t want to do something, you don’t have to do it, or feel bad about refusing to do it. If he pressures you into it, he is being a pest and needs to be told to stop. If he accuses you of not loving him or else you’d give him PIV, he’s wrong. Not wanting to do things you aren’t comfortable with doesn’t mean you don’t love him. If he loved you, he wouldn’t try to guilt you into having PIV (or any other type of sex).

My husband/boyfriend/partner and I started having PIV and I asked him to stop and he didn’t. Is this wrong?

If he kept going once you told him to stop, it’s rape, pure and simple. “Wait, I’m almost finished” is not acceptable. If you are being hurt now, or want to stop now, he needs to stop now. If he waits a bit until he’s “finished” once you’ve said to stop, it means he thinks his enjoyment is more important than your safety. That’s rape. You need to send him to a counselor, report him, or end the relationship. It’s that serious.

Some men say once they start they can’t stop because it’s a “natural urge”. If that’s true, how come when parents are in bed and their child walks in, they always stop? Or when they are in bed and the phone rings? Or if a stranger enters the house? Men always stop then. If a child entering the room, a phone ringing, or a stranger breaking in are enough to get him to stop this “natural urge”, you asking to stop should be just as important.

Can I still have PIV if I want to?

Of course! It’s a free country. Not all women hate PIV; some don’t mind it; some even enjoy it. Most women who enjoy it enjoy ######## stimulation more. But everyone’s an individual and we all get pleasure in different ways. Some people get an orgasm from being kissed on the ear; others get one from being penetrated; some like being cut with objects. That’s their right, and they should feel free to do what they enjoy.

Pleasure isn’t the only important thing: we need to know PIV carries risks other sexual practices are less likely to. PIV is more likely to cause pregnancy than other acts, like oral sex. It can lead to higher rates of cervical cancer or disease in women, since they are the ones receiving fluids.

You should certainly feel free to have PIV if you want. It’s your right to choose from a variety of sexual acts. The important thing is that you understand the risks some acts carry, just as you should understand the risks of riding a bike or driving a car or drinking alcohol.

Why do I feel weird for not liking PIV?

You may feel weird because society tells you it’s normal to enjoy it. Movies and songs only use the word “sex” to refer to PIV, as if clitoral stimulation or other acts don’t count as “real” sex. Sex practices women like are called “foreplay”, as if they aren’t as important.

Many women use tons of lubricant or even take medicine to make PIV enjoyable or less painful (some girls actually get pain from PIV). If women get pain from PIV they might be labeled “too tight” and urged to visit doctors so they can get “fixed”. They get diagnosed with made-up conditions like “vaginismus”, even though women’s ######s may not be designed to be penetrated. Psychologists ask women who hate PIV if they were sexually abused as children or have diseases making PIV difficult. It’s not about helping women be safe and happy; it’s about taking a “broken” woman who doesn’t enjoy PIV and “fixing” her for her husband or boyfriend.

Doctor assume PIV is normal and anyone who can’t do it or doesn’t enjoy it needs to be fixed. This is proof of the bias in our society, a bias in favor of men and their enjoyment, and against women and their right not to be harmed.

What about his enjoyment?

What about it? You have no obligation to perform uncomfortable or painful acts to give someone else pleasure, especially sexual ones. He can stimulate his penis by rubbing against your ######## or other places. (Since semen outside the ###### can cause pregnancy, use protection). Losing enjoyment doesn’t feel as bad as having pain, so it’s better he loses enjoyment than you be hurt. If PIV doesn’t hurt but isn’t enjoyable either, you still shouldn’t be pressured into doing it. In fact, even if you enjoy it you shouldn’t be obligated to do it. It is wrong for your boyfriend/husband to expect you to please him. You don’t use other people for pleasure. It’s wrong and evil.

But doesn’t PIV give him more pleasure than just rubbing?

So? You’re still not under obligation to please another person by doing something you don’t want to do. What if choking him gave him more pleasure than PIV? Are you obligated to choke him? What if choking him while he uses drugs give him even more pleasure than just choking him? Should you buy him drugs, too? What if kicking people gives him pleasure because he’s a sadist- should you let him kick you in the stomach? No.

If PIV is not enjoyable to a large number of women, why do so many lesbians use dildos or other types of fake penises?

Lots of lesbians do not use such things. Dildos and penis-shaped objects were invented because society likes to think women need males to be sexually happy. Many lesbians have discovered the magic of the ######## instead. Some lesbians who buy dildos do it because they are fooled, like heterosexuals, into thinking penetration is the most pleasurable thing for a woman. Of course, some lesbians, like some heterosexuals, do like being penetrated. But it’s very rude for society to assume all of them like it, or to assume that a woman needs a man or a man-shaped object to be happy.

My partner didn’t pressure me into having PIV, I chose to myself. But I felt uncomfortable afterward. Why?

It may be because you didn’t really want to after all. Society can coerce you, like a sexual predator, into sexual acts. Society often acts like a rapist. It tells women they must have PIV, or else. Often, a girl thinks she’s choosing PIV, but it turns out she’s been pushed into it by society teaching her it’s normal, and it feels like she was raped. She was raped by society, if not her boyfriend.

If the PIV was painful, you may also be angry at the idea that men are capable of hurting women sexually, but not the other way around. It feels like crap- like nature made you inferior because you are hurt-able and not him. But suppose you slammed your ######## and labia up against his ####…wouldn’t that hurt him? It’s not true, then, that women can’t hurt men sexually. But society would never call such an act “normal sex” because the male would be getting injured. Yet they call PIV “normal sex”, even though it injures females. And since PIV is not necessary for pregnancy, the reproductive argument for calling PIV “normal” is a total joke too.

But isn’t PIV the natural way to have sex? Isn’t it instinctive or something?

No. Not all animals have PIV, and not all humans do. In societies or eras in which sex is not discussed, young men don’t even know how to have PIV- they have to be taught to put their penises in women’s ######s. If it were a natural instinct why would they need to be taught to do it? Some men say it’s natural to fool women into thinking it’s something they’re supposed to do, or make excuses after they rape someone.

It feels weird not having PIV. It’s like we didn’t go “all the way” or something.

This feeling is due to cultural conditioning- society pushes you to think PIV is “real” sex. PIV is just one type of sex. If society considered anal sex “real” sex, or sex in which one partner chokes the other, or sex where the penis tore through the cervix into the uterus, you might have had similar feelings about those acts. You don’t need to have PIV to say you’ve “had sex.” If you enjoy PIV, go ahead and have it, but learn about the bad consequences, and make sure your desire to do it wasn’t influenced by other people or the media. It’s good to add a variety of sexual acts to your pool of choices, as long as you make sure you are being true to your own heart and not doing anything you’re uncomfortable with.

Please share this pamphlet with other girls and don’t be afraid to discuss PIV with friends, if they don’t mind discussing such matters.
The comment section is gold.

 
Fine by me. I was always under the assumption that PIV was pleasurable for women. Guess I was wrong. From now on it is strictly PIA and PIM. Maybe throw in a little PIBB for variety.

 

RUSF18

Footballguy
If they turned this into an "anti-POV movement", I could be on board. Just too much of that on the internet these days. I like seeing the chick's entire body.

 

NCCommish

Footballguy
So according to the women that work here it sounds like she ain't doing it right. Apparently they disagree with her hypothesis.

 

DiStefano

Footballguy
She will be successful in her campaign. As soon as she convinces all women not to allow PIV, within a couple of generations, there will be no more PIV.

 

bonesman

Footballguy
I find it very telling that penis is non censored while vajayjay is. Perhaps this woman is on to something.

 

Jewell

Footballguy
She will be successful in her campaign. As soon as she convinces all women not to allow PIV, within a couple of generations, there will be no more PIV.
Sounds logical, but when you look at the PIV FAQ regarding myths...

Having PIV is the only way to get pregnant. Not true. Sperm can swim up the ###### from the outside. Pregnancy is often caused this way.
 

mad sweeney

Footballguy
Couldn't read it all, but maybe I'll finish it later on when I'm taking a crap. However, I for one have never, ever, ever ever ever had sex with a woman with the intent to cause pregnancy.

 

GroveDiesel

Footballguy
I actually feel bad for her. To be that insane about this almost certainly means she was raped/molested as a child.

 

Jewell

Footballguy
I actually feel bad for her. To be that insane about this almost certainly means she was raped/molested as a child.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a near certainty that she was raped, likely in her youth. Part of me does feel bad making light of her extreme position given those likely circumstances, but it's such an extreme position that it becomes an interesting conversation piece.It reminds me of a guy I used to stop and talk to, 'Pope Hides Pedophiles' Guy. He was obviously altered by being molested by a priest in his youth so I felt bad for him, but the messages on his large banners (like 'Pope Hides Pedophiles') were so funny given that he displayed them outside the Vatican Embassy everyday that you couldn't help but crack jokes about it.

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/one-mans-crusade-against-pedophiles-in-the-catholic-church/

 

Homer J Simpson

I don't push
Jewell said:
GroveDiesel said:
I actually feel bad for her. To be that insane about this almost certainly means she was raped/molested as a child.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a near certainty that she was raped, likely in her youth. Part of me does feel bad making light of her extreme position given those likely circumstances, but it's such an extreme position that it becomes an interesting conversation piece.It reminds me of a guy I used to stop and talk to, 'Pope Hides Pedophiles' Guy. He was obviously altered by being molested by a priest in his youth so I felt bad for him, but the messages on his large banners (like 'Pope Hides Pedophiles') were so funny given that he displayed them outside the Vatican Embassy everyday that you couldn't help but crack jokes about it.

http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/one-mans-crusade-against-pedophiles-in-the-catholic-church/
The difference between PIV Grrl and that guy is that Vatican Guy is 100% right.

 

AAABatteries

Footballguy
Obviously the lady is nuts but the real issue I see is that she diminishes actual rape by her ridiculous claim. I'd be willing to bet women who have actually been raped are disgusted by her comments.

 

Buckfast 1

Footballguy
Believe it or not, there are well-respected radical feminist scholars who hold pretty similar views, in that the act of sexual intercourse is the physical manifestation of the power inequity between men and women. Crazy stuff.

 

Godsbrother

Footballguy
Believe it or not, there are well-respected radical feminist scholars who hold pretty similar views, in that the act of sexual intercourse is the physical manifestation of the power inequity between men and women. Crazy stuff.
Read more of her blog, it goes way beyond sex. She hates men and tries to avoid any interaction with men.

My guess is that she wasn't raped but is so butt-ugly that she was teased by boys as a little girl and ignored by guys when she was a teenager. Now all men and everything they do are evil to her.

 

(HULK)

(Smash)
I was raped my freshman year of college. I'll tell the story just to highlight the difference between me and this lady.

We had a floor party in my dorm. Everyone got drunk, as it happens at these things. My girlfriend at the time was out of town, so I was planning on sleeping alone. At like 3 am, I went into my room, closed the door, and passed out in my bed. I didn't lock the door because my roommate was still at the party. I'm not sure what time it is, but at some point later, I start having a dream that I'm getting head. Then I wake up and realize that I am indeed getting full blown PIM. I look down and its this girl I kinda know. I say, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?" She just keeps going at it. Now, this is an important part of the story... this girl was not attractive, and that definitely plays. Had a hot chick given me this suprise, I probably would've welcomed it, even without my consent. But this chick was a nasty hag and I was having none of it. I sat up which somehow got my P out of her M. I said, "GTFO of here" and pushed her onto the floor. Then I rolled over and went back to sleep. When I woke up in the morning, she was passed out on my floor. I stepped over her and went to take a leak and get breakfast. She was gone when I came back. When I saw her in class a few days later, I told her what happened and we laughed about it. I did not report her, I did not take any action against her. People get horny when they're drunk, it happens. So, bottom line, I was sexually assualted without giving consent, and I didn't really care. And to this day, I don't care. If anything, its a funny story.

I do not consider my story to be on par with the full on rape that some women experience, attacked and held down while they're screaming. Not even close. I do consider it on par with women who get drunk and change their mind in the morning and cry rape. I personally think thats BS, and I had a roommate when I was in the Army accused in such a manner. He ended up getting away without being charged, only because I happened to be a witness to what happened, and because he was the FOURTH person this girl had accused of rape in the 2 years she'd been in the Army, which shot her credibility to zero.

I do think women should be protected from rape, it is important. But this lady is out of her mind. PIV is NOT rape. This woman saying that is belittling the experience of every single person who has been raped for real. She's also creating a characticture of what being a feminist is, and in my opinion, hurting feminism by doing so.

 

Leroy Hoard

Footballguy
Believe it or not, there are well-respected radical feminist scholars who hold pretty similar views, in that the act of sexual intercourse is the physical manifestation of the power inequity between men and women. Crazy stuff.
Does it help any if I let them get on top?

 

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