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On the Cowboys comments, it isn't guaranteed that Ware is going to stay on the weak side and just attack. They are flipping him and Spencer to both sides very regularly trying to figure out what they like best with Ellis still riding the bike and doing some jogging. Carpenter is taking snaps at all 4 LB spots. Remember Wade is the genius who took Merriman out on passing downs and went with Philips and Foley for awhile. The OLB (and ILB) situation is very unsettled.

 
On the Cowboys comments, it isn't guaranteed that Ware is going to stay on the weak side and just attack. They are flipping him and Spencer to both sides very regularly trying to figure out what they like best with Ellis still riding the bike and doing some jogging. Carpenter is taking snaps at all 4 LB spots. Remember Wade is the genius who took Merriman out on passing downs and went with Philips and Foley for awhile. The OLB (and ILB) situation is very unsettled.
I guess I am getting ahead of myself because it just feels right to have Ware fixed on the weak side. Here's an example what I've been seeing:Spagnola

To help keep teams from scheming against DeMarcus Ware, Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense will utilize weak- and strong-side linebackers. So no more the standard left and right of the past two years. In Saturday’s practice, if the tight end lined up to the defense’s right, or Ware’s side, he and Anthony Spencer flipped sides. Evidently, Phillips wants Spencer (and Greg Ellis when he returns) on the strong side and Ware on the weak side, which only makes too much sense.
 
On the Cowboys comments, it isn't guaranteed that Ware is going to stay on the weak side and just attack. They are flipping him and Spencer to both sides very regularly trying to figure out what they like best with Ellis still riding the bike and doing some jogging. Carpenter is taking snaps at all 4 LB spots. Remember Wade is the genius who took Merriman out on passing downs and went with Philips and Foley for awhile. The OLB (and ILB) situation is very unsettled.
I guess I am getting ahead of myself because it just feels right to have Ware fixed on the weak side. Here's an example what I've been seeing:Spagnola

To help keep teams from scheming against DeMarcus Ware, Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense will utilize weak- and strong-side linebackers. So no more the standard left and right of the past two years. In Saturday’s practice, if the tight end lined up to the defense’s right, or Ware’s side, he and Anthony Spencer flipped sides. Evidently, Phillips wants Spencer (and Greg Ellis when he returns) on the strong side and Ware on the weak side, which only makes too much sense.
Thanks. I read a different interpretation of the flipping sides in the Ranch Report (subscription so no link), but Spagnola could very well be reading this right. However, there was a quote about Spencer learning both weak and strong. Either way, I like your enthusiasm for Wade in Dallas. I have big concerns myself.

 
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If anyone has any suggestions on what areas you'd want to see covered on the IDP-centric shows, please feel free to post or PM me or Jene. We're excited to branch out into this area and want to do as good a job as we can serving this community.

 
some suggestions, some perhaps with more merit than others-

a. discuss 3-4 Def vs 4-3; the impact of DL, LB and DB in each, what differences are in terms of FF production: sacks, tackles, passes Defensed....

b. reprise your Rookie Opportunity discussion as summer goes on and training camp battles are resolved.

c. take the 2007 draft class and review who is likely to produce immediately, who is longer term project at each of the DL, LB, and DB slots

d. team defenses- who would you choose for your fantasy team from each NFL team: pick 2 or 3 from each team....might take awhile to do all the divisions....

e. impact of position changes of players......impact of Coaching changes or philosophy changes: e.g. Ariz, Den, Pitt, Dal, SD, etc....

f. DB's that double as returners- for those of us in leagues that score return yardage, who are the guys to have?

thats about all i can think of off top of my head...

Tex

 
I would like to hear some discussion regarding good IDP's who are not necessarily good NFL players, and vice versa.

 
I finally got the chance to listen to the whole thing. Wow, yous guys do not like Timmons! :thumbup:

I think astute draft commentators are slowly learning a lesson that WhoDat and I have alluded to. The college game has really changed over the past 5-8 years. It's a bit old school and flawed to say, "That won't work in the NFL." What you see in the NCAA is what you'll see in the NFL, albeit diluted some. I know it's very tempting to use that cliche commentary when you don't care for a young prospect's prospects, but it's lazy evaluation. Cecil did explain what he didn't like in Timmon;s game, but I disagree with the conclusion that his "read and react" deficiencies are cause for him to outright fail in the NFL.

Timmons is a terrific athlete, one of few elite athletes in the draft, and Pittsburgh did the right thing by locking him up in such a spotty draft. I agree there are omens of the Tampa 2 in the plans, but Timmons plays much bigger than he is. He was terrific pass rushing from a DE stance. His superior athleticism has already been noted in minicamp. I don't love these LBs but I sure appreciate taking the most impressive athlete available.

Jene, if you go back and look at my original DT thread, I reported McBean being ideal as a 3-4 DE. In a 4-3, I still think he'd be best off on the end, but he can certainly play either. He is Carriker like in many ways, big strong, athletic, versatile. But, I always thought he was primarily a great prospect for 3-4 DE. Many of us tabbed Woodley as a 3-4 OLB very early in the process. He can certainly be looked at in either scheme. Maybe these are transitional players. Maybe they should have done something different. But the defense they may be heading towards is that of the defending SB champ and what the new coach knows best. And this is the real kicker to me-- I think the Steelers personnel is not better off in that 3-4. Hampton is a beast anywhere and will be a Stroud Henderson dominator in at 4-3. Farrior, Foote, Hagans, Townsend and Taylor? Seem like nice fits to me, especially the corners. Polamalu is awesome regardless of scheme. The DEs aren't very good either way. Why all the resistance? The perceived growing pains of transition? Meh, they're going to hurt either way. :thumbup:

Finally. To Sigs last request. I think you guys should organized The Beginner's Guide to IDP for the Audible. Get all the stuff out of the way we answer here every year and post it as a reference resource going forward. Cover valuation of each position in each scheme. Cover valuations for different positions in differrent scoring systems. Try to lay it all out there so anyone willing to try can apply the basic concepts to whatever their league does. With all that out of the way, I'd like to hear a "few" Audibles approaching the season that focus on IDP rankings, by position, addressing different scoring, with redraft and dynasty considerations. So there's 4 epsiodes, beginners, DL, LB, DB, that should get us ready to IDP in 07. :moneybag:

 
Thanks everybody.

We have tentatively scheduled future podcasts on the rookie situations (which we didn't get to in the first podcast) and a series of podcasts providing an introduction to IDP leagues from beginner to advanced -- and IDP 101 - IDP 401 of sorts. Hopefully, those will encapsulate most things suggested and we'll try to work in the others along the way.

We're open to all suggestions, though.

And we're going to do the IDP Roundtable via The Audible for 2007 rather than in print. We'll do pretty much what we did last season -- at least two extended pre-season versions around training camp and then a weekly podcast in-season.

I'll probably start a pinned thread with links to every IDP Audible show with a complete podcast summary shortly.

Keep the suggestions coming.

 
I finally got the chance to listen to the whole thing. Wow, yous guys do not like Timmons! :(

I think astute draft commentators are slowly learning a lesson that WhoDat and I have alluded to. The college game has really changed over the past 5-8 years. It's a bit old school and flawed to say, "That won't work in the NFL." What you see in the NCAA is what you'll see in the NFL, albeit diluted some. I know it's very tempting to use that cliche commentary when you don't care for a young prospect's prospects, but it's lazy evaluation. Cecil did explain what he didn't like in Timmon;s game, but I disagree with the conclusion that his "read and react" deficiencies are cause for him to outright fail in the NFL.

Timmons is a terrific athlete, one of few elite athletes in the draft, and Pittsburgh did the right thing by locking him up in such a spotty draft. I agree there are omens of the Tampa 2 in the plans, but Timmons plays much bigger than he is. He was terrific pass rushing from a DE stance. His superior athleticism has already been noted in minicamp. I don't love these LBs but I sure appreciate taking the most impressive athlete available.

Jene, if you go back and look at my original DT thread, I reported McBean being ideal as a 3-4 DE. In a 4-3, I still think he'd be best off on the end, but he can certainly play either. He is Carriker like in many ways, big strong, athletic, versatile. But, I always thought he was primarily a great prospect for 3-4 DE. Many of us tabbed Woodley as a 3-4 OLB very early in the process. He can certainly be looked at in either scheme. Maybe these are transitional players. Maybe they should have done something different. But the defense they may be heading towards is that of the defending SB champ and what the new coach knows best. And this is the real kicker to me-- I think the Steelers personnel is not better off in that 3-4. Hampton is a beast anywhere and will be a Stroud Henderson dominator in at 4-3. Farrior, Foote, Hagans, Townsend and Taylor? Seem like nice fits to me, especially the corners. Polamalu is awesome regardless of scheme. The DEs aren't very good either way. Why all the resistance? The perceived growing pains of transition? Meh, they're going to hurt either way. ;)

Finally. To Sigs last request. I think you guys should organized The Beginner's Guide to IDP for the Audible. Get all the stuff out of the way we answer here every year and post it as a reference resource going forward. Cover valuation of each position in each scheme. Cover valuations for different positions in differrent scoring systems. Try to lay it all out there so anyone willing to try can apply the basic concepts to whatever their league does. With all that out of the way, I'd like to hear a "few" Audibles approaching the season that focus on IDP rankings, by position, addressing different scoring, with redraft and dynasty considerations. So there's 4 epsiodes, beginners, DL, LB, DB, that should get us ready to IDP in 07. :2cents:
first of all - love your take on the pitt D - its pretty funny that we are both more optimistic about the other's defense and first round picks, despite our teams being historic bitter rivals. Timmons and Spencer will be fun to follow :football: second - "IDP 101" is slated to be our next show :highfive:

 
Any chance we can send in IDP questions and if the crew finds them to be of value they would be answered in depth on The Audible? :shrug:

 
For all the talk of the Pit 4-3/3-4 situation, I don't think Farrior's name was mentioned once. Would he be the default MLB if the 4-3 switch happened sooner rather than later?

 
Any chance we can send in IDP questions and if the crew finds them to be of value they would be answered in depth on The Audible? :thumbup:
yes, and not only that, we have the ability to take callers now on "the studio line" - we'll be posting times and subjects of shows where we will be accepting callers, and you should always feel free to send jene or myself subjects/questions that you'd like to hear us cover.
 
Any chance we can send in IDP questions and if the crew finds them to be of value they would be answered in depth on The Audible? :ph34r:
yes, and not only that, we have the ability to take callers now on "the studio line" - we'll be posting times and subjects of shows where we will be accepting callers, and you should always feel free to send jene or myself subjects/questions that you'd like to hear us cover.
We're essentially going to do the same thing we did last pre-season when you guys filled up a thread with questions for our off-season roundtables. While we probably won't have a regular schedule, we'll let you know when our upcoming shows will be and take requests before each show by thread and PM.
 
For all the talk of the Pit 4-3/3-4 situation, I don't think Farrior's name was mentioned once. Would he be the default MLB if the 4-3 switch happened sooner rather than later?
You'd think so, although I've seen a couple observers (no one official) project him as a WLB as well. In any event, I'd think the long-term MLB isn't on the roster yet if the 4-3 is to become the future base defense. The Steeler faithful will be very skeptical of Tomlin until he puts a Greg Lloyd-Joey Porter swagger back into that LB corps.
 

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