The Audible LIVE! - 6/2/11 - NFL Talk - 10pm ET (1 Viewer)

[Cecil Lammey]

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[grantsa4]

Hi guys,

In your dynasty leagues, at what point do you start looking at moving an established player so you can maximise his value before he starts dropping off? Do you go by age - when a running back gets to 28 or 29, or when a receiver gets to 33, 34, or do you use other methods?

Thanks as always for the great show - it's the best part of my Friday mornings.

Grantsa4

 

[mrip541]

Hey guys,

I'd be interested to know the arguments behind the widely varying slots given to a few players in your new redraft rankings:

Vick is ranked as high as 9 and as low as unranked.

MJD is ranked as high as 2 and as low as 30.

Ingram is ranked as high as 17 and as low as unranked.

Hillis is ranked as high as 6 and as low as 45.

Thanks!

 

[Cato]

Hey guys, novice dynasty player (well since 2008)

Need some perspective on RB scouting, and RB rookies.

Last year Hillis/Foster, pretty much lead the league in RB production.

The RB 2009/2010 classes as a whole are underwhelming so far. (McCoy seems to be the one bright star so far.)

Dwyer/Todman seeming to tumble from where they were ranked pre-draft versus post-draft.

Is there some inherent flaws in RB scouting? (scouting in general?) Or is this an extremely difficult position to scout for? As a fairly novice dynasty player, finding it very hard to get a grasp on the RB position and scouting. Ignoring the historic 2008 RB class, is this a matter of more patience required, a glitch in the matrix, or stratification of results not coming from expected draft position? Finding it expensive trying to buy the right horses in draft picks and ending up crushed by waiver wire pick ups.

Just looking for some perspective, Thanks guys!

 

[LionSlappy]

I have the 5th & 7th overall selections in the upcoming rookie-only draft and am having a tough time deciding which direction to go. My team is pretty set at WR, while somewhat lacking at RB (D-Will, Benson, Woodhead). We start 1 RB/3 WR/2 flex (ppr dynasty).

I am really high on Greg Little this year and beyond. I could see him having an immediate impact (ala Tampa Mike Williams) and evolve into a perennial 80-plus reception/1,000-plus yard WR. However, considering the fact that I am fairly thin at RB, would you pass on either Ryan Williams or Daniel Thomas in order to take Little at 5? Then at the seven spot I would address my RB needs, likely with Mikel LeShoure. Two young RBs on my roster would be nice, but I have a feeling I would regret not taking Little. Or do you think I would be better served by taking either Williams or Thomas at 5 and hope Little drops to the seventh pick?

Thanks,

You guys Rock!!

 

[Hüsker Brü]

Love the show, gentlemen.

Just saw a little newspaper blurb about how the Ravens had given Joe Flacco tape of half a dozen middle-round wide receiver prospects before the draft and asked him to give his opinion of them. The one Flacco liked best was Tandon Doss of Indiana, whom the Ravens ended up taking in the fourth round.

Cecil, Bloom, Wild-Man ... yes or no (or hedge your bets if you feel like it), do you think Doss will outperform Torrey Smith, whom the Ravens drafted two rounds earlier than Doss, in the next couple of years?

 

[Ian F]

Audible time!

Can you each name some favorite later round guys (say outside the top 80+) who you like in a dynasty startup context and what you like

EDIT: my favorite part of the opening is definitely "i'm so lost without you" clip!

What say you out there?

 

[Mark Wimer]

Hey guys, I'd be interested to know the arguments behind the widely varying slots given to a few players in your new redraft rankings:Vick is ranked as high as 9 and as low as unranked.MJD is ranked as high as 2 and as low as 30.Ingram is ranked as high as 17 and as low as unranked.Hillis is ranked as high as 6 and as low as 45.Thanks!

Cec and Sigmund - this post is referring to the overall rankings, not the position rankings... RE: Vick, he's 10th on my QB board and ninth on Andrew Garda's board (the two rankers who don't have Vick in the top 60 overall) MWHere's my quick take on Vick, BTW:

Vick has top-shelf football talent and last year he added more to his game in the mental dimension. However, he still runs the ball a lot (99/679/9 rushing in 2010), which exposes him to big hits from opposing defenders. His shoulders (especially the A/C joints) haven't held up to that punishment at various points in his career, so I consider him a greater-than-usual risk for some lost time during the season (he's played a full 16 game slate just once during his time in the NFL, with 12 games played for Philadelphia last year, missing most of week four and all of weeks five through eight including the bye week last year due to a rib injury that included cracks in his rib cartilage). This is why he is pushed down my fantasy QB board to #10. In addition, he has made very bad decisions/engaged in criminal activity off the field for most of his NFL career, and I'm not convinced that he's staying clear of the negative influences that almost destroyed his career once already.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Cec and Sigmund: Given the ongoing scandal at Ohio State, it appears some of their suspended players may declare for the supplemental draft:

Source: The Cincinnati Enquirer - Joe ReedyOhio State QB Terrelle Pryor, RB Dan Herron, OT Mike X. Adams, WR Devier Posey and DE Solomon Thomas may consider entering the NFL supplemental draft because they have been suspended for the first five games of next season.

Give us your thoughts on how impactful these guys could be at the NFL level, please!Thanks,MW

 

[Sabertooth]

Last year you guys both drooled over this 2011 class. Obviously your Luck ran out on you. But one player aside, why did this class go from epic (like you were stating last year) to average? Which player's stock may have slid too much from where you thought they'd be this year?

 

[MrSoup]

Which WR, if either, has a greater chance of making an immediate impact in St. Louis... Pettis or Salas?

 

[kmdavis84]

Hey guys,

I was wondering if you guys could give your opinion on Vincent Jackson, he was taken in the second round in the first Football Guys ppr mock draft. What do you guys think about him going there, and how do you think the potential addition of Steve Smith would effect him?

Thanks!

 

[southeastjerome]

You guys have talked up Chad Spann a bit. Care to go over a likely landing spot that would be ideal for him? What do you think his upside is?

 

[beachbum]

Happy Thursday Fellas!

Two questions. First:

Looks like veteran RBs Joe Addai, Ryan Grant, Knowshon Moreno, Cedric Benson, Fred Jackson, and BJG-Ellis plus rookie RBs Daniel Thomas and Ryan Williams are falling to the 6th round and later in the PPR drafts I've seen so far... if I start a draft four WR strong (3 starters plus a flex) which two of these RBs do you rank ahead of the others? On a related note, how much are you downgrading the rookie backs and receivers based on reduced OTAs and preseason?

Second:

Both Ray Rice and LeSean McCoy seemed too impatient their first seasons in the league and their playing time and performance suffered, but then both backs excelled in their second season... from what you've seen does CJ Spiller's situation share any similarities to those backs? Is it a matter of patience and timing? Can you even judge that in Gailey's gimmick offense? Or does Spiller just suck?

Thanks!

 

[I was in the pool]

How do you guys gauge a player's talent? Is it as simple as the eye test, a series of statistics, their pedigree?

Also, dynasty rankings tend to favor talent more than redraft. To quantify it, would you say a player's skull set is half of his long term ranking? More? Less?

thanks. Love the show each and every week.

 

[mambomambo]

As usual, AWESOME SHOW!!

Wanted your take on a couple of guys (PPR League):

1) Starks/Grant = Who will get the majority of the carries?

2) Santana Moss = Will he be relevant in 2011?

Would like some DEEP UDFA longshots that could be relevant in 3 years. Keep up the good work!!

 

[cutter43]

Great site!

With the Lock Out abound, any word of when such excellent articles, such as THE GUT CHECK will be making their respective appearances?

Cutters43

 

[Cipherchris]

Loving the audible,

Idp dynasty question: draft is going on at the moment. who is a better DT late round drake Nevis, christian Ballard or stepehn paea for long term?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

http://podcast.footballguys.com/2011/Footballguys-Audible-2011-Vol75a.mp3

In This Episode: Cecil Lammey, Sigmund Bloom and Matt Waldman discuss the latest from around the league and answer questions from the Shark Pool message board at Footballguys.com. Topics Include - are rookies really going to struggle this year because of the lockout, deep dynasty sleepers, what to look for when scouting RBs, thoughts about the supplemental draft and discussion about the potential Ohio State players in it, plus more!

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[mrip541]

Hey guys,

I'd be interested to know the arguments behind the widely varying slots given to a few players in your new redraft rankings:

Vick is ranked as high as 9 and as low as unranked.

MJD is ranked as high as 2 and as low as 30.

Ingram is ranked as high as 17 and as low as unranked.

Hillis is ranked as high as 6 and as low as 45.

Thanks!

Cec and Sigmund - this post is referring to the overall rankings, not the position rankings... RE: Vick, he's 10th on my QB board and ninth on Andrew Garda's board (the two rankers who don't have Vick in the top 60 overall) MWHere's my quick take on Vick, BTW:

Vick has top-shelf football talent and last year he added more to his game in the mental dimension. However, he still runs the ball a lot (99/679/9 rushing in 2010), which exposes him to big hits from opposing defenders. His shoulders (especially the A/C joints) haven't held up to that punishment at various points in his career, so I consider him a greater-than-usual risk for some lost time during the season (he's played a full 16 game slate just once during his time in the NFL, with 12 games played for Philadelphia last year, missing most of week four and all of weeks five through eight including the bye week last year due to a rib injury that included cracks in his rib cartilage). This is why he is pushed down my fantasy QB board to #10. In addition, he has made very bad decisions/engaged in criminal activity off the field for most of his NFL career, and I'm not convinced that he's staying clear of the negative influences that almost destroyed his career once already.

Thanks for the reply! I agree with the general idea of Vick being unreliable for various reasons, but I disagree that a player who when healthy is the #1 fantasy player by a wide margin shouldn't be taken in the first 5 rounds... Even if he only plays 11-12 games and even if the league "figured him out" and he only puts up 27 points a week instead of 45.

I can see how the general list of negatives can bump the other players on my list down to their lowest rankings but I just don't see it with Vick.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Hey guys, I'd be interested to know the arguments behind the widely varying slots given to a few players in your new redraft rankings:Vick is ranked as high as 9 and as low as unranked.MJD is ranked as high as 2 and as low as 30.Ingram is ranked as high as 17 and as low as unranked.Hillis is ranked as high as 6 and as low as 45.Thanks!

For me (assuming you're talking top 60 overall vs QB ranks):I have Vick outside the top 60 because while he had a phenomenal 2010, he tends to expose himself to a lot of big hits and while he's talented, he's been streaky before. I think he'll have a good season, but will miss games due to injury and find himself facing defenses perhaps a bit more prepared for him. Will my ranking move? Perhaps. But I wouldn't trust him over the usual top five (Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Brady and Rivers) and I'm not reaching for him immediately in the first. I find that a pretty risky proposition based on one year of admittedly fantastic production. we've seen a great season from Vick before and it hasn't lasted. Has he learned enough not to repeat that? Has his 'career near death experience' as the triplets would put it put him on the right path?I hope so, I'm just not sold.I realize that puts me against the grain and most of the staff. Honestly, I'm comfortable with that.