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Revolver

It should be noted that many of the sounds that were coming out of the studio for Revolver were the result of the Beatles never ending search for new sounds and a new recording engineer named Geoff Emerick. Geoff, being young and curious was willing to try many things that the Beatles other recording engineers were not. Emerick's work on Revolver and Sgt Pepper is detailed brilliantly in a book called Here, There, and Everywhere written by Emerick himself.
An excellent book.Emerick says that McCartney usually had a pretty good idea of what he wanted for his recordings but Lennon was always very vague. In the case of "Tomorrow Never Knows" he wanted to sound like he was on top of a mountain with his voice swirling like Tibetan monks. Lennon even suggested being attached to the ceiling on a rope and spun around to get the effect.

Emerick came up with the idea to feed Lennon's voice through an organ's Leslie Speaker which rotated. They tried it and the Beatles loved the effect. They used the same technique on other recordings, sometimes feeding instruments as well as vocals through a Leslie speaker.

 
Revolver was definately an album that presented a changing Beatles. It was the last album my mom bought from the Beatles.
Thanks for making me feel old -- this is the first LP I bought with my own money. I was 7 years old at the time and $4.99 was a fortune but I had the money from my communion.
Sorry man. I wasn't born until 1970. I became a Beatles fan because my mom listened to them when I was a kid.
 
Sgt Pepper Part 1

After Revolver, the Beatles were trying to come up with ideas for a new album. Because they were no longer touring, they would take their time making the album the way they wanted to make it, however long it took. Their first idea was to do an album about Liverpool.

No discussion of Pepper would be complete without discussing the two songs written for Pepper that were destined to not make it on the album. John wrote a dreamy song called Strawberry Fields Forever and Paul wrote a song called Penny Lane. Strawberry Field was an orphanage in Liverpool where John used to play and Penny Lane was a district in Liverpool.

Strawberry Fields Forever started off as John playing it simply on an acoustic guitar and grew into a complex masterpiece in which every studio trick the Beatles had learned since 1963 was employed. Backward tapes, compression, limiters, artificial double tracking, ect was used. The most interesting instrument was something called a mellotron, which was basically a keyboard instrument that contained a bunch of tapes. Basically, but hitting a key on the keyboard, the mellotron could imitate other instruments, in this case, a flute. SFF also had these dreamy lyrics and John sings it in a way that makes them sound even more dreamy. "Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see" is a long way from "Love Me Do". SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell. The evolution of SFF is covered well on the CD for Anthology 2.

Unlike John, Paul usually had an idea of where he wanted his songs to go. When he introduced Penny Lane, he told George Martin he wanted to use this very high trumpet he heard while watching a symphony on TV. It was a piccolo trumpet. Unlike Strawberry Fields, with very dreamy, poetic lyrics, Penny Lane was extremely descriptive and clear. Even the recording was an extremely clean sound, which is what Paul wanted. To that end, they recorded each instrument separately so as to not have any "bleed over" to other tracks. Unlike SFF, Penny Lane was recorded pretty quickly as Paul had an idea of where he wanted to go and there weren't great differences between early takes and the final version.

Together, these two songs would be the latest double A sided single released by the band and, one could argue, one of the greatest singles ever released by anyone. The fact that the Beatles would put two such strong songs on one single in just a testament to the embarrassment of riches the Beatles had at the time.

It is all the more ironic, therefore, that SFF/Penny Lane was the first Beatles single to not reach #1 in Britain since Love Me Do. It was kept off the top of the charts by Englebert Humperdink's Release Me. The most likely reason for this was because the single had two A sides, some stations reported Penny Lane, some reported Strawberry Fields, so the Beatles kind of split their vote.

This single was the beginning of a great 1967, but more greatness would follow.

Next...Sgt Pepper Part 2

 
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Sgt Pepper Part 2

OK, so the Beatles are in the process of working on SFF/Penny Lane, but they still need an idea for the album. One day, Paul comes in with this idea to record an album, but kind of as an alter ego. Instead of recording as the Beatles, they would record as this fictitious band called Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. In Paul's words, it would sort of free them from the whole Beatles thing and give them an opportunity to approach the album in a fresh way, not having to do what the Beatles would normally do when recording an album. Paul's idea was to record the album as if it is a live performance of Sgt. Pepper's band. You would hear the audience, warming up, tuning, chat between performances, ect. Everyone seemed to like the idea, so they went off and wrote some songs.

It was Paul's concept, so he wrote the title track and a reprise which would kind of end the show. He also had a song for Ringo that would come right in after the title track called With A Little Help From My Friends. He also had a song that he had written as a teen called When I'm 64, which was kind of a jazz number.

John, who at this time was having problems writing songs because of his domestic life with his wife, used inspiration from things around him. His son Julian brought home a drawing of a classmate kind of flying in the air. Julian called it "Lucy In The Sky with Diamonds". John thought that was good, so he wrote kind of an Alice In Wonderland song around it. John also heard a TV commercial that said "Good Morning Good Morning", so he had a song called that. He also had an old circus poster in his house, so he decided to write a song around that called Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite. An most famously, John read an article in the newspaper about a car crash and about a bunch of potholes in the street, so he wrote A Day In The Life.

George, struggling for material at this point because he was far more into the sitar than anything else, wrote Only A Northern Song, which was rejected, but then wrote Within You Without You which was an Indian song and that one was accepted.

Technically, what was done with Pepper considering they only had tape and 4 tracks is mind blowing. Many of the tricks they used with Revolver were also used with Pepper, but it was much bigger. For example, on A Day In The Life, they wanted a big orchestral buildup, but it would have been too expensive to get a full orchestra, so they decided they'd just record with a smaller number of instruments, but would duplicate it, in effect, making a larger orchestra, but they needed more tracks. Geoff Emerick, somehow, got two four track machines to run simultaneously because four tracks weren't enough, in effect inverting an 8 track recorder on the fly. On Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite, John wanted to create a circus atmosphere in the song, so George Martin went around and got various tapes of steam organs and calliopes, threw them up in the air and pasted them back together to form kind of a watershed in the background. Crowd noises were also all over the album to give the illusion of a live performance.

The sequencing of Pepper was also interesting in that it was, pretty much, two continuous sides of music. Some tracks were physically joined together, like Sgt Pepper and With A Little Help From My Friends. Then, Good Morning Good Morning was joined to Sgt Pepper reprise with a bunch of baryard animals, each one being able to eat or scare the one before it until the last sound, which was a chicken cluck which happened to be the same tone as the guitar note which led into the Sgt Pepper reprise, which led directly into A Day In The Life. Other songs weren't joined together, but there was only the briefest of silences between those songs. Even after a Day In The Life, there isn't silence as the Beatles put a dog whistle into the runout groove (dating myself here) which your dog would hear.

The cover was also interesting and became the most famous cover in the history of pop music. Basically, it was a collage of people standing behind the Beatles dressed in colorful satin uniforms with a big bass drum that said Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. There are even wax figures of the Beatlemania era Beatles standing behind Sgt Pepper's Band. People that made the cover: Stu Sutcliffe, Sonny Liston, Mae West, WC Fields, Edgar Allen Poe, Bob Dylan, Laurel and Hardy, Karl Marx, Marlon Brando, and Shirley Temple. John also wanted Jesus and Hitler, but the record company said no. You could stare at this cover for hours, there is so much to see.

As for the songs, they were great, although IMO not as strong a set as Revolver, but Lucy In The Sky with Diamonds, A Day In The Life, and the Sgt Pepper title track became Beatles classics. Mostly, it's about the whole of the album and not about individual tracks. A quick word on A Day In The Life which is, IMO, the greatest album closer ever. It's actually two different songs. John wrote the verses and Paul wrote the middle eight. To connect the two, they decided they needed a big orchestral buildup, so when recording, the had Mal Evans, a Beatles road manager, could out 24 bars and ended the 24 bars with an alarm clock. They decided to leave in the alarm clock when Paul started singing Woke up, fell out of bed. You can still hear Mal counting on the finished version. After another orchestral buildup, the Beatles decided they needed a chord to end it on. They tried humming the chord, but decided they needed something stronger, so they each got by a piano and on the count of three, each hit an E Major. It took them a few tries to do it at the same time. They applied an effect to it to make it sound otherworldly, then faded it out for like 45 seconds.

Pepper became the album of the Summer of Love and was universally praised and sold extremely well. Pepper is the album that proved that rock and roll could be art. Lately, it has become fashionable to say that Revolver is the Beatles best work, but no album captured it's time better or captured the public's imagination better than Pepper. it is considered the first concept album, for better or worse and, I believe, a more influential work than Revolver, although with lesser songs, at least IMO. Regardless of whether or not you believe it's the Beatles best work, Pepper is routinely in the top 3 of albums countdowns. At the time, it was considered the Beatles masterpiece and still is a masterpiece by any reasonable measure.

Pepper marks the high point of the Beatles career and, although they would still have many great moments, Pepper was the last time the Beatles really presented a unified front. After Pepper, they would start to drift apart. Therefore, that makes Pepper, along with everything else it is, kind of a bittersweet album.

Next...Brian dies and the Beatles take a Magical Mystery Tour

 
By April 1964, the Beatles occupied the top 5 spots in the American charts and the top two albums. Neither had ever been done before and haven't been done since.
That is ridiculous. I'm trying to imagine any of the no-talent hacks who pass for #1 artists these days accomplishing anything remotely similar. Wow.
What's funny about it is now, it's popular with some people to call the early Beatles a "boy-band" or "bubble-gum". If those people knew ANYTHING about the history of pop music, they would know that bubble-gum is what was on the air when the Beatles came around. There was nothing of consequence going on in the American charts in 1963, except Motown and a couple of early Beach Boys records. Fabian, Frankie Avalon, ect is what was infesting the pop charts at that time. The Beatles killed, well not killed, you can't kill bubble gum, it's like cockroaches, but the Beatles ended bubble gum's hold on the pop charts for a bit. If the early singles sound tame compared to, say, the Stones Satisfaction, it's because Satisfaction came out two YEARS after I Want To Hold Your Hand and She Loves You. By that time, the Beatles, and also Bob Dylan had completely changed the landscape. The Beatles lyrics would get better. Innocent, and some might say corny lyrics, however, have NOTHING to do with the music itself and the Beatles completely changed that with those early hits."She Loves You" sounded like "Smells Like Teen Spirit" compared to what was on the radio at the time.
I think you overstate this somewhat. 1963 had hits by artists like the Phil Spector groups, James Brown, the Drifters, Dion, the Four Seasons, Sam Cooke, plus the Motown (Martha and the Vandellas, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye) and Beach Boys that you mentioned. There was lots of good music in the pre-beatles 60's.
 
Strawberry Fields Forever started off as John playing it simply on an acoustic guitar and grew into a complex masterpiece in which every studio trick the Beatles had learned since 1963 was employed. Backward tapes, compression, limiters, artificial double tracking, ect was used. The most interesting instrument was something called a mellotron, which was basically a keyboard instrument that contained a bunch of tapes. Basically, but hitting a key on the keyboard, the mellotron could imitate other instruments, in this case, a flute. SFF also had these dreamy lyrics and John sings it in a way that makes them sound even more dreamy. "Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see" is a long way from "Love Me Do". SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell. The evolution of SFF is covered well on the CD for Anthology 2.
But once you know about it, it's impossible to miss it.
 
By April 1964, the Beatles occupied the top 5 spots in the American charts and the top two albums. Neither had ever been done before and haven't been done since.
That is ridiculous. I'm trying to imagine any of the no-talent hacks who pass for #1 artists these days accomplishing anything remotely similar. Wow.
What's funny about it is now, it's popular with some people to call the early Beatles a "boy-band" or "bubble-gum". If those people knew ANYTHING about the history of pop music, they would know that bubble-gum is what was on the air when the Beatles came around. There was nothing of consequence going on in the American charts in 1963, except Motown and a couple of early Beach Boys records. Fabian, Frankie Avalon, ect is what was infesting the pop charts at that time. The Beatles killed, well not killed, you can't kill bubble gum, it's like cockroaches, but the Beatles ended bubble gum's hold on the pop charts for a bit. If the early singles sound tame compared to, say, the Stones Satisfaction, it's because Satisfaction came out two YEARS after I Want To Hold Your Hand and She Loves You. By that time, the Beatles, and also Bob Dylan had completely changed the landscape. The Beatles lyrics would get better. Innocent, and some might say corny lyrics, however, have NOTHING to do with the music itself and the Beatles completely changed that with those early hits."She Loves You" sounded like "Smells Like Teen Spirit" compared to what was on the radio at the time.
I think you overstate this somewhat. 1963 had hits by artists like the Phil Spector groups, James Brown, the Drifters, Dion, the Four Seasons, Sam Cooke, plus the Motown (Martha and the Vandellas, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye) and Beach Boys that you mentioned. There was lots of good music in the pre-beatles 60's.
I mention Motown and the Beach Boys. There was some good stuff. There was also lots of bad stuff. Lots of teen idols. I still maintain that the Beatles were like a bomb going off. Kind of like the first time you heard Nirvana.In any event, the pre Beatles 60's were far inferior to the post Beatles 60's.
 
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Strawberry Fields Forever started off as John playing it simply on an acoustic guitar and grew into a complex masterpiece in which every studio trick the Beatles had learned since 1963 was employed. Backward tapes, compression, limiters, artificial double tracking, ect was used. The most interesting instrument was something called a mellotron, which was basically a keyboard instrument that contained a bunch of tapes. Basically, but hitting a key on the keyboard, the mellotron could imitate other instruments, in this case, a flute. SFF also had these dreamy lyrics and John sings it in a way that makes them sound even more dreamy. "Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see" is a long way from "Love Me Do". SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell. The evolution of SFF is covered well on the CD for Anthology 2.
But once you know about it, it's impossible to miss it.
Absolutely true
 
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What is this thread about and what is 09 09 09? Is that a reference to a song lyric or something? I keep clicking the thread but am too lazy to read it. Thanks.
Number 9Number 9Number 9Oh, and Guitar Hero Beatles drops on 09/09/09.
 
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I f you are a music fan you should read it. If you are a Beatles fan you must read it. Just read it already you'll be glad you did.
 
The Beatles hit it even bigger

The Beatles came to America and played on the Ed Sullivan show in February 1964. The 10 minutes that the Beatles were on TV, there was no reported crime. Even the criminals took time out to watch the Beatles. It was, at that time, the largest TV audience to ever watch a show. If you go by the percentage of the audience, it probably is STILL in the top 10 of all time, I would guess. It was one of those "where were you when..." moments.
After Walter Cronkite died I saw several parts of his Cronkite Remembers series. He mentions that the first time the Beatles were actually seen on American TV was during a CBS news broadcast from London. Evidently Ed Sullivan saw it and called Walter wanting to know how to get them for his show. I think Cronkite gave him a name and in return his daughters got to meet the band backstage during the Sullivan show. They showed pictures of the girls with two of the Beatles, but I can't remember which ones.As to "where were you when" ... I was born two days later, but my mom says she's pretty sure she was watching Ed Sullivan that night though.
You are 7 days older than I am. :goodposting:

 
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This is even more cryptic than classic Pickles material. What the hell does this mean?
The LP "The Beatles" aka The White Album, contains an 8 minute track of sound effects, spoken words, tape loops, and music known as "Revolution #9". It was created primarily by John with help from George and Yoko with additional assistance from some of the EMI staff working at the time.One of the sound effects used throughout the track is a clip from an EMI test tape of an engineer saying the words "Number 9". It is repeated many times and when played backwards it sounds like he is saying "turn me on, dead man", a supposed clue that Paul McCartney was dead. In fact many that were looking for clues felt the entire sound collage was a reenactment of the 1966 traffic accident that Paul supposedly died in.Charles Manson took a different take on it thinking it was the Beatles prophesizing about the race war that was going to occur and that it related to the Book of Revelations in the Bible. In reality the "song" was just an avant-garde piece similar to many that he had been doing with Yoko at the time. According to Beatle expert Mark Lewisohn, the track was recorded while McCartney was in the USA. When Paul came back his reaction was far from enthusiastic and he and George Martin attempted to keep it off the record, thinking it did not belong on a Beatles album. However Lennon was adamant and it was clear he wasn't going to back down so the song was put on side 4, right before the LP's finale "Good Night".
 
What is this thread about and what is 09 09 09? Is that a reference to a song lyric or something? I keep clicking the thread but am too lazy to read it. Thanks.
Number 9Number 9Number 9
This is even more cryptic than classic Pickles material. What the hell does this mean?
The LP "The Beatles" aka The White Album, contains an 8 minute track of sound effects, spoken words, tape loops, and music known as "Revolution #9". It was created primarily by John with help from George and Yoko with additional assistance from some of the EMI staff working at the time.One of the sound effects used throughout the track is a clip from an EMI test tape of an engineer saying the words "Number 9". It is repeated many times and when played backwards it sounds like he is saying "turn me on, dead man", a supposed clue that Paul McCartney was dead. In fact many that were looking for clues felt the entire sound collage was a reenactment of the 1966 traffic accident that Paul supposedly died in.Charles Manson took a different take on it thinking it was the Beatles prophesizing about the race war that was going to occur and that it related to the Book of Revelations in the Bible. In reality the "song" was just an avant-garde piece similar to many that he had been doing with Yoko at the time. According to Beatle expert Mark Lewisohn, the track was recorded while McCartney was in the USA. When Paul came back his reaction was far from enthusiastic and he and George Martin attempted to keep it off the record, thinking it did not belong on a Beatles album. However Lennon was adamant and it was clear he wasn't going to back down so the song was put on side 4, right before the LP's finale "Good Night".
Revolution 9 is unique in that it is the only Beatles song that I skip. In fact, it's not even on my iPod. My White Album is 29 tracks.Hate it. Here's the thing, there are other oddities on the White Album, but they are short. If Revolution 9 was a minute or so. like Wild Honey Pie, it would just add to the weirdness. At 8 minutes long, it's just brutal to listen to.All of this is JMO, BTW. There might be some Revolution 9 fans reading this thread. If there are, you are better than me, because I can't sit through it.
 
Brian dies and the Beatles take a Magical Mystery Tour

As I mentioned before, Sgt Pepper was really the Beatles at the height of their power. Right after Pepper, the Beatles were asked to appear via a global satellite link on the Our World TV special. This was the first time that something was broadcast worldwide and 400 million people tuned in. For the occasion, John wrote All You Need Is Love and it was performed during the show. They recorded the backing track and John sang the lead vocal live. All You Need Is Love is kind of a postscript to Pepper.

As tends to happen, when things are at their absolute height, something bad happens. In the case of the Beatles, just a few months after Pepper, Brian Epstein died. Controversy swirled around the death, whether it was a suicide or not. Basically, Brian took a bunch of pills and went to sleep and never woke up. Brian was a critical figure in that he allowed the Beatles to just be Beatles and make music. He handled all the business. Now, it is very well known that Brian made some pretty bad deals for the Beatles, but at least he handled it. The Beatles themselves really didn't do anything on the business side. When Brian died, suddenly the Beatles had all this business stuff to do. I believe this is one of the factors that broke them up, eventually. You know the old saying that you shouldn't go into business with friends? I believe it applies here. Some of the business stuff, I'll discuss later as we get toward the failed Get Back sessions.

Paul had an idea for a new movie. The movie was an hour long special that would run on the BBC Dec 26th. It was called Magical Mystery Tour and basically, the idea was to travel the English countryside on a bus with a collection of friends and circus freaks and film what happened. There wasn't a plot to speak of. They kind of just threw things in that came to their mind.

Magical Mystery Tour had it's good points and it's bad points. On the good side, the musical interludes are almost fully realized music videos far ahead of their time. The I Am The Walrus sequence, especially, is great. On the bad side, it's just a mess. It makes no sense. There's no plot to follow. It's kind of an art film, I guess, and Steven Speilberg has said that they paid attention to that film in art school, but for the general public, it's too confusing. Magical Mystery Tour's other problem is that it ran on the BBC, which was in black and white, so some of the effects didn't work. Also, it was run the day after Christmas. Audiences were expecting a Christmas special or something and they got I Am The Walrus.

The music in Magical Mystery Tour was good, but a step down from Pepper. The title track was good. Walrus was brilliant,if a little strange. The Fool On The Hill was a great song, also. Interestingly, in this case, Capitol Records got it right. They released an 11 track Magical Mystery Tour album which had all the songs from the film on side 1 and all of the 1967 singles on side 2. SFF, Penny Lane, All You Need Is Love, Hello Goodbye, and Baby You're A Rich Man. If you own the Pepper and MMT album, you have everything the Beatles released in the very productive year of 1967.

Next...Trip to India and the White Album

 
Revolution 9 is unique in that it is the only Beatles song that I skip. In fact, it's not even on my iPod. My White Album is 29 tracks.Hate it. Here's the thing, there are other oddities on the White Album, but they are short. If Revolution 9 was a minute or so. like Wild Honey Pie, it would just add to the weirdness. At 8 minutes long, it's just brutal to listen to.All of this is JMO, BTW. There might be some Revolution 9 fans reading this thread. If there are, you are better than me, because I can't sit through it.
Agreed. I actually like the start of it but 8 minutes is about 7 minutes too long. I also decided to not include it on my iPod. The only other Beatles song I feel this way about is "What's The New Mary Jane?". I can't believe that Lennon was pushing for that to be a single. Proof that too many drugs = bad judgement though perhaps he was just trying to blow up the Beatles image.
 
Revolution 9 is unique in that it is the only Beatles song that I skip. In fact, it's not even on my iPod. My White Album is 29 tracks.Hate it. Here's the thing, there are other oddities on the White Album, but they are short. If Revolution 9 was a minute or so. like Wild Honey Pie, it would just add to the weirdness. At 8 minutes long, it's just brutal to listen to.All of this is JMO, BTW. There might be some Revolution 9 fans reading this thread. If there are, you are better than me, because I can't sit through it.
Agreed. I actually like the start of it but 8 minutes is about 7 minutes too long. I also decided to not include it on my iPod. The only other Beatles song I feel this way about is "What's The New Mary Jane?". I can't believe that Lennon was pushing for that to be a single. Proof that too many drugs = bad judgement though perhaps he was just trying to blow up the Beatles image.
Yeah. I think Lennon might have been subconsciously trying to destroy the Beatles.
 
Brian dies and the Beatles take a Magical Mystery Tour

As I mentioned before, Sgt Pepper was really the Beatles at the height of their power. Right after Pepper, the Beatles were asked to appear via a global satellite link on the Our World TV special. This was the first time that something was broadcast worldwide and 400 million people tuned in. For the occasion, John wrote All You Need Is Love and it was performed during the show. They recorded the backing track and John sang the lead vocal live. All You Need Is Love is kind of a postscript to Pepper.

As tends to happen, when things are at their absolute height, something bad happens. In the case of the Beatles, just a few months after Pepper, Brian Epstein died. Controversy swirled around the death, whether it was a suicide or not. Basically, Brian took a bunch of pills and went to sleep and never woke up. Brian was a critical figure in that he allowed the Beatles to just be Beatles and make music. He handled all the business. Now, it is very well known that Brian made some pretty bad deals for the Beatles, but at least he handled it. The Beatles themselves really didn't do anything on the business side. When Brian died, suddenly the Beatles had all this business stuff to do. I believe this is one of the factors that broke them up, eventually. You know the old saying that you shouldn't go into business with friends? I believe it applies here. Some of the business stuff, I'll discuss later as we get toward the failed Get Back sessions.

Paul had an idea for a new movie. The movie was an hour long special that would run on the BBC Dec 26th. It was called Magical Mystery Tour and basically, the idea was to travel the English countryside on a bus with a collection of friends and circus freaks and film what happened. There wasn't a plot to speak of. They kind of just threw things in that came to their mind.

Magical Mystery Tour had it's good points and it's bad points. On the good side, the musical interludes are almost fully realized music videos far ahead of their time. The I Am The Walrus sequence, especially, is great. On the bad side, it's just a mess. It makes no sense. There's no plot to follow. It's kind of an art film, I guess, and Steven Speilberg has said that they paid attention to that film in art school, but for the general public, it's too confusing. Magical Mystery Tour's other problem is that it ran on the BBC, which was in black and white, so some of the effects didn't work. Also, it was run the day after Christmas. Audiences were expecting a Christmas special or something and they got I Am The Walrus.

The music in Magical Mystery Tour was good, but a step down from Pepper. The title track was good. Walrus was brilliant,if a little strange. The Fool On The Hill was a great song, also. Interestingly, in this case, Capitol Records got it right. They released an 11 track Magical Mystery Tour album which had all the songs from the film on side 1 and all of the 1967 singles on side 2. SFF, Penny Lane, All You Need Is Love, Hello Goodbye, and Baby You're A Rich Man. If you own the Pepper and MMT album, you have everything the Beatles released in the very productive year of 1967.

Next...Trip to India and the White Album
Very nice summary. :shrug: You are correct about Capitol records getting it right. Magical Mystery Tour was released in Britain as a double EP. Having tried the EP format twice in America with poor results Capitol wisely couple the MMT songs with the 1967 singles and created an album which, if you compare song by song, may be as good as Pepper.

The only flaw was they chose to use the Capitol "fake stereo" mixes of several of the songs which are really bad. Fortunately this was corrected when the CD was released.

 
Brian dies and the Beatles take a Magical Mystery Tour

As I mentioned before, Sgt Pepper was really the Beatles at the height of their power. Right after Pepper, the Beatles were asked to appear via a global satellite link on the Our World TV special. This was the first time that something was broadcast worldwide and 400 million people tuned in. For the occasion, John wrote All You Need Is Love and it was performed during the show. They recorded the backing track and John sang the lead vocal live. All You Need Is Love is kind of a postscript to Pepper.

As tends to happen, when things are at their absolute height, something bad happens. In the case of the Beatles, just a few months after Pepper, Brian Epstein died. Controversy swirled around the death, whether it was a suicide or not. Basically, Brian took a bunch of pills and went to sleep and never woke up. Brian was a critical figure in that he allowed the Beatles to just be Beatles and make music. He handled all the business. Now, it is very well known that Brian made some pretty bad deals for the Beatles, but at least he handled it. The Beatles themselves really didn't do anything on the business side. When Brian died, suddenly the Beatles had all this business stuff to do. I believe this is one of the factors that broke them up, eventually. You know the old saying that you shouldn't go into business with friends? I believe it applies here. Some of the business stuff, I'll discuss later as we get toward the failed Get Back sessions.

Paul had an idea for a new movie. The movie was an hour long special that would run on the BBC Dec 26th. It was called Magical Mystery Tour and basically, the idea was to travel the English countryside on a bus with a collection of friends and circus freaks and film what happened. There wasn't a plot to speak of. They kind of just threw things in that came to their mind.

Magical Mystery Tour had it's good points and it's bad points. On the good side, the musical interludes are almost fully realized music videos far ahead of their time. The I Am The Walrus sequence, especially, is great. On the bad side, it's just a mess. It makes no sense. There's no plot to follow. It's kind of an art film, I guess, and Steven Speilberg has said that they paid attention to that film in art school, but for the general public, it's too confusing. Magical Mystery Tour's other problem is that it ran on the BBC, which was in black and white, so some of the effects didn't work. Also, it was run the day after Christmas. Audiences were expecting a Christmas special or something and they got I Am The Walrus.

The music in Magical Mystery Tour was good, but a step down from Pepper. The title track was good. Walrus was brilliant,if a little strange. The Fool On The Hill was a great song, also. Interestingly, in this case, Capitol Records got it right. They released an 11 track Magical Mystery Tour album which had all the songs from the film on side 1 and all of the 1967 singles on side 2. SFF, Penny Lane, All You Need Is Love, Hello Goodbye, and Baby You're A Rich Man. If you own the Pepper and MMT album, you have everything the Beatles released in the very productive year of 1967.

Next...Trip to India and the White Album
Very nice summary. :goodposting: You are correct about Capitol records getting it right. Magical Mystery Tour was released in Britain as a double EP. Having tried the EP format twice in America with poor results Capitol wisely couple the MMT songs with the 1967 singles and created an album which, if you compare song by song, may be as good as Pepper.

The only flaw was they chose to use the Capitol "fake stereo" mixes of several of the songs which are really bad. Fortunately this was corrected when the CD was released.
Yeah. Something else about the CDs. When the CDs were released in 1987, it was decided to use the British catalogue, which was the right choice, but MMT was included, even though, it wasn't part of the British catalogue. As stated above, I believe it was a good choice because it's a nice neat little package. 2 albums = everything released during 1967.
 
Revolution 9 is unique in that it is the only Beatles song that I skip. In fact, it's not even on my iPod. My White Album is 29 tracks.Hate it. Here's the thing, there are other oddities on the White Album, but they are short. If Revolution 9 was a minute or so. like Wild Honey Pie, it would just add to the weirdness. At 8 minutes long, it's just brutal to listen to.All of this is JMO, BTW. There might be some Revolution 9 fans reading this thread. If there are, you are better than me, because I can't sit through it.
Agreed. I actually like the start of it but 8 minutes is about 7 minutes too long. I also decided to not include it on my iPod. The only other Beatles song I feel this way about is "What's The New Mary Jane?". I can't believe that Lennon was pushing for that to be a single. Proof that too many drugs = bad judgement though perhaps he was just trying to blow up the Beatles image.
Mary Jane isn't a great song, especially by Beatles standards, but at least it's a song. It can be listened to. It's nowhere near as hard on the ears as Revolution 9.
 
So which Beatles book should I start with? There have been so many recommendations in here

 
Brian Wilson provides some competition

Rubber Soul was really the Beatles starting to branch out from the lovable moptops. More acoustic in nature, Rubber Soul had such classic tracks as Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man, In My Life, Girl, Michelle, and Drive My Car. The entire album, from top to bottom is great. They started introducing new instruments, like George playing a sitar on Norwegian Wood. The lyrics were becoming more serious, as well. Norwegian Wood is about an affair John was having. In My Life and Nowhere Man were introspective pieces that John had written. I'm Looking Through You was about a fight Paul had with his girlfriend Jane Asher. Also, Paul's bass playing really started to come to the forefront. Listen to Drive My Car for an example of how Paul's bass playing had evolved and would continue to evolve over the next few years.
I have always wondered though which version of Rubber Soul was Brian listening to? My bet is the American version which does not have Drive My Car.
Also worthy of note, after Pet Sounds, Brian set out to create what he called a "pocket symphony" and created Good Vibrations, which is, IMO, the height of Brian's genius. His next idea was to try and create an entire album of Good Vibrations type songs and that led him to the now famous aborted album called Smile. A discussion of Smile is a thread all by itself, but suffice to say, the other Beach Boys didn't like Smile and Brian's fragile personality couldn't handle the pressure of trying to please the Beach Boys, please the record company, please himself, and compete with the Beatles at the same time. Smile was shelved, Pepper was released to universal praise and Brian and the Beach Boys started a slow decline that they never really recovered from. Had the other Beach Boys listened to Brian, Smile could have changed history, but it wasn't to be.
I have a bootleg version of the original SmiLe album sessions and after listening to it for years and the "final" version Brian did a few years ago they are very similar. Therefore I consider the bootleg to be pretty close to what would have been released.It certainly has it's moments: Heroes and Villians, Wonderful, Good Vibrations and my personal favorite, Surf's Up. But it also contains a lot of weird snippets the pop world was just not ready for in 1967. Pet Sounds was considered a commercial failure at the time but it would have been a rousing success compared to SmiLe.

I do enjoy listening to SmiLe but there is no denying the weirdness. Frankly it was so far out that it does not compare favorably to the better albums of 1967, a truly great year for music.
There was a 3rd party to the "competition" - Dylan.Dylan was just as interested in keeping up with (if not ahead of) The Beatles.

Highway 61 Revisted, along with Rubber Soul, set the stage for the 1966 showdown, with all 3 trying to top each other, resulting in three of the greatest albums of all time: Revolver, Pet Sounds and Blonde and Blonde.

An interesting side note to all of this is, beyond these 3 albums, 1966 was pretty slim in the great album department:

Mothers - Freak Out

Otis Redding - Complete & Unbelievable: Dictionary of Soul

Cream - Fresh Cream

Miles Davis - Miles Smiles

John Mayall - Bluesbreakers w/EC

The Who - A Quick One

Stones - Aftermath

Simon & Garfunkle - Parsley, S, RM & T

Ike & Tina - River Deep Mountain High

13th Floor Elevators - The Psychedelic Sounds of

The Mamas & The Papas - If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears

Kinks - Face to Face

The Byrds - 5th Dimension

Some decent ones, but not too many other all-time greats.

 
Brian Wilson provides some competition

Rubber Soul was really the Beatles starting to branch out from the lovable moptops. More acoustic in nature, Rubber Soul had such classic tracks as Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man, In My Life, Girl, Michelle, and Drive My Car. The entire album, from top to bottom is great. They started introducing new instruments, like George playing a sitar on Norwegian Wood. The lyrics were becoming more serious, as well. Norwegian Wood is about an affair John was having. In My Life and Nowhere Man were introspective pieces that John had written. I'm Looking Through You was about a fight Paul had with his girlfriend Jane Asher. Also, Paul's bass playing really started to come to the forefront. Listen to Drive My Car for an example of how Paul's bass playing had evolved and would continue to evolve over the next few years.
I have always wondered though which version of Rubber Soul was Brian listening to? My bet is the American version which does not have Drive My Car.
Also worthy of note, after Pet Sounds, Brian set out to create what he called a "pocket symphony" and created Good Vibrations, which is, IMO, the height of Brian's genius. His next idea was to try and create an entire album of Good Vibrations type songs and that led him to the now famous aborted album called Smile. A discussion of Smile is a thread all by itself, but suffice to say, the other Beach Boys didn't like Smile and Brian's fragile personality couldn't handle the pressure of trying to please the Beach Boys, please the record company, please himself, and compete with the Beatles at the same time. Smile was shelved, Pepper was released to universal praise and Brian and the Beach Boys started a slow decline that they never really recovered from. Had the other Beach Boys listened to Brian, Smile could have changed history, but it wasn't to be.
I have a bootleg version of the original SmiLe album sessions and after listening to it for years and the "final" version Brian did a few years ago they are very similar. Therefore I consider the bootleg to be pretty close to what would have been released.It certainly has it's moments: Heroes and Villians, Wonderful, Good Vibrations and my personal favorite, Surf's Up. But it also contains a lot of weird snippets the pop world was just not ready for in 1967. Pet Sounds was considered a commercial failure at the time but it would have been a rousing success compared to SmiLe.

I do enjoy listening to SmiLe but there is no denying the weirdness. Frankly it was so far out that it does not compare favorably to the better albums of 1967, a truly great year for music.
There was a 3rd party to the "competition" - Dylan.Dylan was just as interested in keeping up with (if not ahead of) The Beatles.

Highway 61 Revisted, along with Rubber Soul, set the stage for the 1966 showdown, with all 3 trying to top each other, resulting in three of the greatest albums of all time: Revolver, Pet Sounds and Blonde and Blonde.

An interesting side note to all of this is, beyond these 3 albums, 1966 was pretty slim in the great album department:

Mothers - Freak Out

Otis Redding - Complete & Unbelievable: Dictionary of Soul

Cream - Fresh Cream

Miles Davis - Miles Smiles

John Mayall - Bluesbreakers w/EC

The Who - A Quick One

Stones - Aftermath

Simon & Garfunkle - Parsley, S, RM & T

Ike & Tina - River Deep Mountain High

13th Floor Elevators - The Psychedelic Sounds of

The Mamas & The Papas - If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears

Kinks - Face to Face

The Byrds - 5th Dimension

Some decent ones, but not too many other all-time greats.
Yeah. Dylan was the man. The Beatles were hugely influenced by him.
 
Yeah. Something else about the CDs. When the CDs were released in 1987, it was decided to use the British catalogue, which was the right choice, but MMT was included, even though, it wasn't part of the British catalogue. As stated above, I believe it was a good choice because it's a nice neat little package. 2 albums = everything released during 1967.
MMT did become part of the Beatles UK catalogue in 1976 when Parlophone released the LP and discontined the EP. "The Beatles Again" aka "Hey Jude" was another US album later included in the UK catalogue but it and "A Collection of Beatles Oldies" were revamped and replaced with "Past Masters Volume 1 & 2" when the CDs were issued.
 
Yeah. Something else about the CDs. When the CDs were released in 1987, it was decided to use the British catalogue, which was the right choice, but MMT was included, even though, it wasn't part of the British catalogue. As stated above, I believe it was a good choice because it's a nice neat little package. 2 albums = everything released during 1967.
MMT did become part of the Beatles UK catalogue in 1976 when Parlophone released the LP and discontined the EP. "The Beatles Again" aka "Hey Jude" was another US album later included in the UK catalogue but it and "A Collection of Beatles Oldies" were revamped and replaced with "Past Masters Volume 1 & 2" when the CDs were issued.
Cool. I didn't know that, well, I knew about Hey Jude and a Collection of the Beatles Oldies, but not MMT.
 
SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell.
It can't be overemphasized how incredible this is.The sheer luck that two versions, in two different keys and tempos, would have the keys match when the tempos were matched, is amazing.
 
Brian Wilson provides some competition

Rubber Soul was really the Beatles starting to branch out from the lovable moptops. More acoustic in nature, Rubber Soul had such classic tracks as Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man, In My Life, Girl, Michelle, and Drive My Car. The entire album, from top to bottom is great. They started introducing new instruments, like George playing a sitar on Norwegian Wood. The lyrics were becoming more serious, as well. Norwegian Wood is about an affair John was having. In My Life and Nowhere Man were introspective pieces that John had written. I'm Looking Through You was about a fight Paul had with his girlfriend Jane Asher. Also, Paul's bass playing really started to come to the forefront. Listen to Drive My Car for an example of how Paul's bass playing had evolved and would continue to evolve over the next few years.
I have always wondered though which version of Rubber Soul was Brian listening to? My bet is the American version which does not have Drive My Car.
Also worthy of note, after Pet Sounds, Brian set out to create what he called a "pocket symphony" and created Good Vibrations, which is, IMO, the height of Brian's genius. His next idea was to try and create an entire album of Good Vibrations type songs and that led him to the now famous aborted album called Smile. A discussion of Smile is a thread all by itself, but suffice to say, the other Beach Boys didn't like Smile and Brian's fragile personality couldn't handle the pressure of trying to please the Beach Boys, please the record company, please himself, and compete with the Beatles at the same time. Smile was shelved, Pepper was released to universal praise and Brian and the Beach Boys started a slow decline that they never really recovered from. Had the other Beach Boys listened to Brian, Smile could have changed history, but it wasn't to be.
I have a bootleg version of the original SmiLe album sessions and after listening to it for years and the "final" version Brian did a few years ago they are very similar. Therefore I consider the bootleg to be pretty close to what would have been released.It certainly has it's moments: Heroes and Villians, Wonderful, Good Vibrations and my personal favorite, Surf's Up. But it also contains a lot of weird snippets the pop world was just not ready for in 1967. Pet Sounds was considered a commercial failure at the time but it would have been a rousing success compared to SmiLe.

I do enjoy listening to SmiLe but there is no denying the weirdness. Frankly it was so far out that it does not compare favorably to the better albums of 1967, a truly great year for music.
There was a 3rd party to the "competition" - Dylan.Dylan was just as interested in keeping up with (if not ahead of) The Beatles.

Highway 61 Revisted, along with Rubber Soul, set the stage for the 1966 showdown, with all 3 trying to top each other, resulting in three of the greatest albums of all time: Revolver, Pet Sounds and Blonde and Blonde.

An interesting side note to all of this is, beyond these 3 albums, 1966 was pretty slim in the great album department:

Mothers - Freak Out

Otis Redding - Complete & Unbelievable: Dictionary of Soul

Cream - Fresh Cream

Miles Davis - Miles Smiles

John Mayall - Bluesbreakers w/EC

The Who - A Quick One

Stones - Aftermath

Simon & Garfunkle - Parsley, S, RM & T

Ike & Tina - River Deep Mountain High

13th Floor Elevators - The Psychedelic Sounds of

The Mamas & The Papas - If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears

Kinks - Face to Face

The Byrds - 5th Dimension

Some decent ones, but not too many other all-time greats.
Yeah. Dylan was the man. The Beatles were hugely influenced by him.
There were a lot of great singles, but not albums. Motown didn't really do albums back then so The Temptations, The Supremes, The Four Tops, Martha and the Vandellas, etc. all had a bunch fo classic singles, but not "albums" per se. Many of the lesser British Invasion groups also had lost of hit singles, but not great albums.
 
Trip to India and the White Album

George Harrison had begun to get into Indian culture and music since 1965. By the end of 1967, George had come across a man named Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who taught something call Transcendental Meditation . George thought it would be a good thing for all the Beatles to spend a holiday in India with Maharishi to learn this technique. So, the Beatles and their wives all went to India for this trip. Ringo lasted the shortest time because he couldn't eat the food. Paul was next to go home. John and George stayed for awhile. Finally, some rumor got around camp that the Maharishi had made a pass at one of the females in the group and John left. What actually happened, nobody really knows, but remember this at this point of the story. Here we have four guys who had done practically everything together since 1960, now they go on a trip together and leave separately. Maybe things were not quite as harmonious as they had been.

So, one really good thing came out of India. Namely, they had written a bunch of songs. When they started recording the new album, George Martin heard all the songs and really didn't like a bunch of them. For the first time, the Beatles were not really willing to give up their individual ego for the group and they refused to cut any of the songs, so they recorded all of them and put them out on a double album that was called The Beatles. It was an ironic title since it was their least group like effort to date. In stark contrast to Pepper, the Beatles wanted as plain a cover for the new album as possible, so a plain white sleeve was designed with The Beatles embossed on the front cover. Because the album's cover was pure white, it was quickly dubbed The White Album.

The White Album was marked by fighting within the group. Ringo walked out for a few days. He did come back, but Ringo, of all people, walking out should let everyone know that things weren't going well. Many of the songs were recorded as solo recordings with the other Beatles used as a backup band. The distinctive Beatles harmonies were not nearly as prevalent. I have a couple of sections remaining where we discuss the breakup and what caused all the tension, but one thing that happened specifically during the White Album was that John started dating Yoko Ono. It wasn't so much that Yoko caused the fighting, it was just that Yoko was in the studio constantly with John. Beatles sessions had always been closed to wives and practically anyone. John was changing the way they had traditionally worked and the others didn't like it. Yoko went with John everywhere and it caused tension between them. George was also growing frustrated with the lack of attention his own songs got. To that end, he brought in Eric Clapton to play lead on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Having a guest in the studio made the other behave and gave George the attention he wanted for his new song. George had four songs on the White Album, his most ever. John's music was more hard edged than ever, a bit too hard edged for Paul's taste. Meanwhile, John thought Paul's new songs were granny music. No song on the album underscored the Beatles falling apart more than Revolution 9. Revolution 9 really was a song that John wrote with Yoko. It was a collection of sounds woven together like a sound collage. The only problem is that it wasn't a song at all, and certainly wasn't a Beatles song. Paul and George Martin didn't want it anywhere near the album, but John insisted, so it made the album. Revolution 9 is the most disliked song by the Beatles, probably going away.

So, what about the album itself?? Well, of course, the album sold everywhere and the critics liked it. The White Album is probably the most popular album in the Beatles entire catalogue. Why?? Because it's got every kind of music you can almost imagine so it's got something for everybody. it's got some of the Beatles hardest edged music and it's got some of their greatest ballads. It's got jazz, blues, rock, early thrash/metal, classical, avante guard, ballads, country, ect. Is all of it good?? No, but IMO, I'm glad they didn't do what George Martin wanted. The fact that it's a double album and all over the place makes the album unique in the Beatles catalogue. Had they taken only the best 14 and put them on a single album, it wouldn't have been distinctly different from Revolver, for example.

Other songs for the White Album sessions were Hey Jude, which was a piano ballad Paul wrote for Julian. It ended with a four minute singalong that made the track over 7 minutes long. Radio stations at that time refused to play songs over four minutes. As usual, the rules don't apply to the Beatles and the song shoots straight to #1 and is probably their biggest hit ever. Considering what was going on at the time in the group, this is amazing. Paul tells a great story about Hey Jude in the Anthology. Basically, he's singing the song to John and comes up to the line "The movement you need is on your shoulder" and immediately says, "Don't worry, I'm gonna change that line." John says, "that's the best line in the whole song." To this day, Paul gets a bit choked up when he sings that line live. Hey Jude was backed on the single by Revolution, a loud and dirty version of Revolution 1 recorded on the White Album. Revolution has a wall of loud, stinging guitars, great drumming by Ringo, and a nasty lyric almost snarled by Lennon. Needless to say, this type of quality on both sides of a single was the envy of practically every artist in the 60's.

Next...The tumultuous session for Get Back

 
SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell.
It can't be overemphasized how incredible this is.The sheer luck that two versions, in two different keys and tempos, would have the keys match when the tempos were matched, is amazing.
There are so many instances of this sort of thing in the Beatles career, it's almost spooky. Accidents that just happen to work out in their favor.
 
There was a 3rd party to the "competition" - Dylan.Dylan was just as interested in keeping up with (if not ahead of) The Beatles.Highway 61 Revisted, along with Rubber Soul, set the stage for the 1966 showdown, with all 3 trying to top each other, resulting in three of the greatest albums of all time: Revolver, Pet Sounds and Blonde and Blonde.An interesting side note to all of this is, beyond these 3 albums, 1966 was pretty slim in the great album department:
Wasn't every year before 1967 pretty slim in the great album department? That's another example of the Beatles influence. As mentioned above, albums were usually a hit single and a bunch of filler before they came along.
 
There were a lot of great singles, but not albums. Motown didn't really do albums back then so The Temptations, The Supremes, The Four Tops, Martha and the Vandellas, etc. all had a bunch fo classic singles, but not "albums" per se. Many of the lesser British Invasion groups also had lost of hit singles, but not great albums.
You're correct. There is a reason why Beatles albums are still so well thought of. It's because they practically invented the album as an art form, certainly in the pop/rock world that's the case. There were some great jazz albums before the Beatles, maybe, but pop/rock were all about singles before the Beatles came along.
 
There was a 3rd party to the "competition" - Dylan.Dylan was just as interested in keeping up with (if not ahead of) The Beatles.Highway 61 Revisted, along with Rubber Soul, set the stage for the 1966 showdown, with all 3 trying to top each other, resulting in three of the greatest albums of all time: Revolver, Pet Sounds and Blonde and Blonde.An interesting side note to all of this is, beyond these 3 albums, 1966 was pretty slim in the great album department:
Wasn't every year before 1967 pretty slim in the great album department? That's another example of the Beatles influence. As mentioned above, albums were usually a hit single and a bunch of filler before they came along.
Good point.
 
Trip to India and the White Album

So, one really good thing came out of India. Namely, they had written a bunch of songs. When they started recording the new album, George Martin heard all the songs and really didn't like a bunch of them. For the first time, the Beatles were not really willing to give up their individual ego for the group and they refused to cut any of the songs, so they recorded all of them and put them out on a double album that was called The Beatles. It was an ironic title since it was their least group like effort to date. In stark contrast to Pepper, the Beatles wanted as plain a cover for the new album as possible, so a plain white sleeve was designed with The Beatles embossed on the front cover. Because the album's cover was pure white, it was quickly dubbed The White Album.
A very interesting bootleg is called Kinfauns, which was named for George Harrison's home. After they were all back from India, they recorded acoustic demos of most of the White Album plus many other songs that didn't make the album. Some of the demos did make the Anthology 3 CD but many, many more are available on bootleg and are well worth a listen.
Many of the songs were recorded as solo recordings with the other Beatles used as a backup band. The distinctive Beatles harmonies were not nearly as prevalent.
And for this reason it is probably my least favorite Beatles LP. One of the best aspects of the group was that previously they had worked on albums together and would listen to suggestions from one another and George Martin. By recording simulataneously in separate studios much of that was lost. Heck, George Martin even took a 2-week vacation during it's recording which would have been unheard of only a few months back.It is still a great album and I love the music but I think it would have been so much more had there been a collaborative environment.

George was also growing frustrated with the lack of attention his own songs got. To that end, he brought in Eric Clapton to play lead on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Having a guest in the studio made the other behave and gave George the attention he wanted for his new song. George had four songs on the White Album, his most ever.
It should have been 5: "Not Guilty" was superior to many of the tracks on the White Album, IMO.
John's music was more hard edged than ever, a bit too hard edged for Paul's taste. Meanwhile, John thought Paul's new songs were granny music.
While this eventually may have become John's opinion of Paul's music I am not sure that it was true during the recording of the White Album as Paul had some very heavy numbers on it: Back in U.S.S.R, Why Don't We Do It in the Road?, Birthday and Helter Skelter.Speaking of Helter Skelter, one of the holy grails of Beatles collectors is the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter. It is known to exist but so far it has never been officially release or appeared on bootleg.

 
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Trip to India and the White Album

So, one really good thing came out of India. Namely, they had written a bunch of songs. When they started recording the new album, George Martin heard all the songs and really didn't like a bunch of them. For the first time, the Beatles were not really willing to give up their individual ego for the group and they refused to cut any of the songs, so they recorded all of them and put them out on a double album that was called The Beatles. It was an ironic title since it was their least group like effort to date. In stark contrast to Pepper, the Beatles wanted as plain a cover for the new album as possible, so a plain white sleeve was designed with The Beatles embossed on the front cover. Because the album's cover was pure white, it was quickly dubbed The White Album.
A very interesting bootleg is called Kinfauns, which was named for George Harrison's home. After they were all back from India, they recorded acoustic demos of most of the White Album plus many other songs that didn't make the album. Some of the demos did make the Anthology 3 CD but many, many more are available on bootleg and are well worth a listen.
Many of the songs were recorded as solo recordings with the other Beatles used as a backup band. The distinctive Beatles harmonies were not nearly as prevalent.
And for this reason it is probably my least favorite Beatles LP. One of the best aspects of the group was that previously they had worked on albums together and would listen to suggestions from one another and George Martin. By recording simulataneously in separate studios much of that was lost. Heck, George Martin even took a 2-week vacation during it's recording which would have been unheard of only a few months back.It is still a great album and I love the music but I think it would have been so much more had there been a collaborative environment.

George was also growing frustrated with the lack of attention his own songs got. To that end, he brought in Eric Clapton to play lead on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Having a guest in the studio made the other behave and gave George the attention he wanted for his new song. George had four songs on the White Album, his most ever.
It should have been 5: "Not Guilty" was superior to many of the tracks on the White Album, IMO.
John's music was more hard edged than ever, a bit too hard edged for Paul's taste. Meanwhile, John thought Paul's new songs were granny music.
While this eventually may have become John's opinion of Paul's music I am not sure that it was true during the recording of the White Album as Paul had some very heavy numbers on it: Back in U.S.S.R, Why Don't We Do It in the Road?, Birthday and Helter Skelter.Speaking of Helter Skelter, one of the holy grails of Beatles collectors is the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter. It is known to exist but so far it has never been officially release or appeared on bootleg.
I know John hated Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da. I thought I had read somewhere that John didn't really like most of Paul's offerings for the White Album. I know he liked Back In The USSR and Helter Skelter, but I'm not sure what else he liked. I thought I read in one of his interviews that he didn't like Birthday. Don't remember about "Road". I can't think of another song on that album by Paul that he liked. Don't think he liked Blackbird. Can't imagine he liked Honey Pie or Martha My Dear or I Will or Mother Nature Son.One of the big disappointments to Beatles fans was that the 27 minute Helter Skelter wasn't released. Personally, I can't imaging a 27 minute version of ANY song would be that great, but maybe I have a short attention span.

 
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My understanding was John thought Paul was too pop. Paul thought John was over the edge with the artsy stuff. George wanted more of his music to get out. And Ringo was caught in the middle. Breakup dead ahead. Yoko or no.

 
saintsfan said:
Trip to India and the White Album

George Harrison had begun to get into Indian culture and music since 1965. By the end of 1967, George had come across a man named Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who taught something call Transcendental Meditation . George thought it would be a good thing for all the Beatles to spend a holiday in India with Maharishi to learn this technique. So, the Beatles and their wives all went to India for this trip. Ringo lasted the shortest time because he couldn't eat the food. Paul was next to go home. John and George stayed for awhile. Finally, some rumor got around camp that the Maharishi had made a pass at one of the females in the group and John left. What actually happened, nobody really knows, but remember this at this point of the story. Here we have four guys who had done practically everything together since 1960, now they go on a trip together and leave separately. Maybe things were not quite as harmonious as they had been.
It's ironic to me that shortly after singing All You Need Is Love and embracing the peace/love/hippie movement, the Beatles began to disintegrate.
 
Godsbrother said:
Speaking of Helter Skelter, one of the holy grails of Beatles collectors is the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter. It is known to exist but so far it has never been officially release or appeared on bootleg.
How do you know it exists? I've always assumed it was part of their legend.
 
Uncle Humuna said:
SFF is most famous for the manner in which it was recorded. They recorded the song and it came across not exactly the way John wanted it. So they re-recorded it, this time George Martin scored it with an orchestra. John came back a week later and basically said that he liked them both and why couldn't we combine the two. The problem is that the two versions were completely different tempos and completely different keys. John's words were "Well George, I'm sure you can fix it." Martin discovered that if they sped one version up and slowed one version down they might just meet in the middle. He was right. FYI, the edit is about one minute in and to Martin's credit, unless you know where it is, it's difficult to tell.
It can't be overemphasized how incredible this is.The sheer luck that two versions, in two different keys and tempos, would have the keys match when the tempos were matched, is amazing.
Most of this has already been said, but this
is the song along with a narrative of how it was made.
 
Godsbrother said:
Speaking of Helter Skelter, one of the holy grails of Beatles collectors is the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter. It is known to exist but so far it has never been officially release or appeared on bootleg.
How do you know it exists? I've always assumed it was part of their legend.
Been reported that they did it by people who were at Abbey Road during the recording.
 
Godsbrother said:
Speaking of Helter Skelter, one of the holy grails of Beatles collectors is the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter. It is known to exist but so far it has never been officially release or appeared on bootleg.
How do you know it exists? I've always assumed it was part of their legend.
Been reported that they did it by people who were at Abbey Road during the recording.
:banned: It exists. Plenty of witnesses to it.
 
saintsfan said:
Paul tells a great story about Hey Jude in the Anthology. Basically, he's singing the song to John and comes up to the line "The movement you need is on your shoulder" and immediately says, "Don't worry, I'm gonna change that line." John says, "that's the best line in the whole song." To this day, Paul gets a bit choked up when he sings that line live.
That is the best line in the song. It's one of the best lines McCartney ever wrote.
 
My understanding was John thought Paul was too pop. Paul thought John was over the edge with the artsy stuff. George wanted more of his music to get out. And Ringo was caught in the middle. Breakup dead ahead. Yoko or no.
Oh, no question in my mind. Yoko was the symptom, not the cause. Still, it's fun to pin the breakup of the world's most important rock group of all time on her. She's that annoying.
 
My understanding was John thought Paul was too pop. Paul thought John was over the edge with the artsy stuff. George wanted more of his music to get out. And Ringo was caught in the middle. Breakup dead ahead. Yoko or no.
Oh, no question in my mind. Yoko was the symptom, not the cause. Still, it's fun to pin the breakup of the world's most important rock group of all time on her. She's that annoying.
Very good point. Yoko did it!
 
saintsfan said:
I know John hated Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da. I thought I had read somewhere that John didn't really like most of Paul's offerings for the White Album. I know he liked Back In The USSR and Helter Skelter, but I'm not sure what else he liked. I thought I read in one of his interviews that he didn't like Birthday. Don't remember about "Road". I can't think of another song on that album by Paul that he liked. Don't think he liked Blackbird. Can't imagine he liked Honey Pie or Martha My Dear or I Will or Mother Nature Son.One of the big disappointments to Beatles fans was that the 27 minute Helter Skelter wasn't released. Personally, I can't imaging a 27 minute version of ANY song would be that great, but maybe I have a short attention span.
I'll have to go back through the John Lennon Playboy interview to see what he thought about some of the Paul songs on the White Album. I do remember him saying that "Mother Nature's Son" was Paul being John Denver which was pretty unfair since John was working on a similar number called "Child of Nature" (later to resurface with different lyrics as Jealous Guy on the Imagine album). I also remember him liking Why Don't We Do it in the Road though he was pissed that Paul recorded it alone with Ringo.Paul had most of the song Birthday written but John helped finish it so he was at least on board with it. He also had to like the fact that Yoko (and Patti Harrison) sang backing vocals on the track. I think his main beef with Obladi Oblada was that he thought they had the track in the can several times but but Paul kept revisiting it even to the point where Geoff Emerick grew weary of the song. This is one aspect about Paul that really started to irritate John (and to a lesser extent, George). John was always one to lay a track down quick and move on while Paul was a perfectionist and would continually redo a track until he got it the way he wanted it. This a major reason why the original intent of the next project, Get Back, was to record the numbers with overdubs. As for the 27-minute version of Helter Skelter it certainly does exist. Mark Lewisohn listened to it and McCartney has said several times that it might be released some day though probably not. Apparently the 27 minute version is very much like the slow version released on Anthology Three which was recorded on the same day. I think the Anthology Three version is awesome though if it appeared in it's unedit form (originally 11 minutes) it would likely become tedious. I can't imagine what 27 minutes of it would be like but I would love to hear it at least once.
 
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My understanding was John thought Paul was too pop. Paul thought John was over the edge with the artsy stuff. George wanted more of his music to get out. And Ringo was caught in the middle. Breakup dead ahead. Yoko or no.
I don't want to jump ahead of the Saint's upcoming thread regarding the breakup of the Beatles but I will comment on the post above.I think that John still liked Paul's work but once he hooked up with Yoko in his mind he was done with the Beatles.I also don't think Paul had a problem with John's avant-garde recording as McCartney was the first one to experiment with tape loops and such with Carnival of Light. Paul just felt that it did not belong on a Beatles album.You are 100% correct with George. He was writing at such a prolific rate that he was accumulating quite a backlog of songs. Worse yet, even when the Beatles did record a song of George's it was seldom given the attention that a Lennon/McCartney tune was given. Ringo would have been fine recording with Beatles forever but grew weary of the tension in the studio.
 
My understanding was John thought Paul was too pop. Paul thought John was over the edge with the artsy stuff. George wanted more of his music to get out. And Ringo was caught in the middle. Breakup dead ahead. Yoko or no.
I don't want to jump ahead of the Saint's upcoming thread regarding the breakup of the Beatles but I will comment on the post above.I think that John still liked Paul's work but once he hooked up with Yoko in his mind he was done with the Beatles.I also don't think Paul had a problem with John's avant-garde recording as McCartney was the first one to experiment with tape loops and such with Carnival of Light. Paul just felt that it did not belong on a Beatles album.You are 100% correct with George. He was writing at such a prolific rate that he was accumulating quite a backlog of songs. Worse yet, even when the Beatles did record a song of George's it was seldom given the attention that a Lennon/McCartney tune was given. Ringo would have been fine recording with Beatles forever but grew weary of the tension in the studio.
I think we are saying basically the same thing. John and Paul both wanted different things for the what the Beatles would be. And I agree Ringo would have been happy to play with the boys forever. That's why when his frustration started to show you knew things were getting ugly.
 
...Overall, the Capitol albums are far inferior to the British versions, which are classics. If you want to get into the Beatles and understand their albums and how they evolved over the years, the British albums are the ones you should have....
I am not much of an audiofile, but I love the Beatles. Where do you purchase the British albums? Does Amazon sell them?Edited to add: You also have my undying love for this thread. Plus you are a Saints fan!!!!
 
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