What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The Big Ben dilemna (1 Viewer)

A

Ariakis

Footballguy
I'm happy for Tom Brady but I've already got a Shaun Hill, Fitzpatrick, or Thigpen penciled in unless the matchup favors Brady. I'm probably in the same boat with Schaub who may be a great sell high guy as he won't get that defense again. Does Big Ben join the list of guys you may as well pick some random fodder off the WW and start over him? He's been killing me since he came back. Wow.

Let me add that he seems a solid enough QB but something just doesn't seem right. The OL just isn't there and with that defense they don't NEED to be explosive or pass heavy.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think Ben is a spot play at best in FF. Steelers simply could not control the game running the ball the last year and a half or so and the passing game was their strength. Looks like an effort to get back to a rushing attack this season (or at least a more balanced attack).

 
His receivers aren't doing him any favors tonight. I should have started Flacco over him this week. :shrug:

 
You're seeing the Steelers' offense with 3 backup offensive linemen, no real running game, and only one reliable wide receiver (Mike Wallace) without Hines Ward.

Two of the offensive linemen are out for the year, and I guess we'll have to find out if Ward has a concussion or if it really is a neck injury. It's a banged up unit, and it might be that way for a while.

 
GTP made it respectable but yea his team is banged up and I'm not sure he's going to produce like a QB1 any more than any other random option at this point mainly due to their OL. Losing Ward really did hurt though.

 
387 yards, 3 tds, 1 int, 12 rush

Behind an OLine that is fresh off of missing 3 starters at LT, LG, RG and without Hines Ward.

:X

 
Choke said:
387 yards, 3 tds, 1 int, 12 rushBehind an OLine that is fresh off of missing 3 starters at LT, LG, RG and without Hines Ward. :X
Click to expand...
The final numbers were definitely QB1 worthy but when this thread was started it wasn't looking very good.
 
well perhaps this thread was started prematurely. this was one of the best fantasy games all yr for qb. as usual, lol fantasy and lol fbg forum.

 
GB garbage time. At half, he was close to negative numbers for me. Also, with Ward and some better catching/route running around the endzone, he would have had a TD or two prior to garbage time.

 
yoman said:
Choke said:
387 yards, 3 tds, 1 int, 12 rushBehind an OLine that is fresh off of missing 3 starters at LT, LG, RG and without Hines Ward. :X
Click to expand...
The final numbers were definitely QB1 worthy but when this thread was started it wasn't looking very good.
Click to expand...
We are talking about Fantasy Football here?His 5 games are currently pacing 4172 yards with 29 tds. (3670 before tonite)I guess you could "sell low" because of the injuries around him, but that doesnt seem the smart play.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Ben got dumped to waivers in my league so apparently he is/was on a short leash with owners. I now have to choose between him, Fitzpatrick and Hill. I'm guessing Hill is the odd man out.

 
BAY_AREA_GIANT said:
yoman said:
His receivers aren't doing him any favors tonight. I should have started Flacco over him this week. ;)
Click to expand...
lololol Flacco sure lit it up in his first 3 quarters too. Hindsight must be 20/20 or something.
Click to expand...
When I was watching the Ravens game I was thinking to myself thank god I didn't start Flacco this week about until midway through the 4th quarter. The Steelers got spanked tonight and the game sucked which is why I was more frustrated with Ben. Ben ended up outscoring Flacco.
 
What exactly is the definition of garbage time? The Steelers were down 11 with 6:44 to go, and down 10 with 2:59 to go.

 
TenTimes said:
What exactly is the definition of garbage time? The Steelers were down 11 with 6:44 to go, and down 10 with 2:59 to go.
Click to expand...
The minute panicky BigBen owners saw the team look bad and fall behind. At that moment they threw all fantasy football laws and averages out the window and their sky came falling down... and anything afterwards was thus, GarbageTimePoints.
 
If I can win FF championships with QBs that rack up points via garbage time stats, then get me the garbage time QBs, engrave the trophy with my name, and order the rings.

 
With the way Pitts defense has been playing. With their offensive line blocking poorly in the running game. I actually like Ben's fantasy outlook. The only way they could move the ball in week 10 was to throw quick passes then take the shot downfield with stud Mike Wallace. And if they fall behind then I'm liking the garbage/catchup points.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Garbage points are the worst part about FF. I wonder if anyone ever has given thought to weighting statistics based on the score of the game at the time? Might be a good thread topic in the SP.

 
theplayer11 said:
TenTimes said:
What exactly is the definition of garbage time? The Steelers were down 11 with 6:44 to go, and down 10 with 2:59 to go.
Click to expand...
Wallace's TD's were scored when they were down by 19 and 18 points with 6:44 minutes and then 2:59 to play. That is garbage points.
Click to expand...
I was using the term garbage points because someone else used it and I assume there definition is points that are racked up after the outcome of the game is decided (Chiefs 4th quarter yesterday). I never really thought the Steelers would come back last night because they were being thoroughly dominated but I don't think Ben really scored "garbage point"s because he was still out there fighting trying to win the game and actually pulled them close enough to at least have a prayer. The pick 6 he threw was costly but the thing that stood out most about last night's game was the Pats made the Steelers D look terrible. Maybe someone could say that they should have run the clock out during the last minute but I would rather they go down fighting with a never give up mentality.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I have to question this guy. Had a decent running game going then completely abandoned it for the 2nd half. Without the 2 garbage TDs he had a bad game on passing too. Is this an ego thing going on?

 
Patroclus said:
I have to question this guy. Had a decent running game going then completely abandoned it for the 2nd half. Without the 2 garbage TDs he had a bad game on passing too. Is this an ego thing going on?
Click to expand...
Is Ben calling the plays out there? If he's not, it's not him abandoning the running game, it's the coaches.
 
Patroclus said:
I have to question this guy. Had a decent running game going then completely abandoned it for the 2nd half. Without the 2 garbage TDs he had a bad game on passing too. Is this an ego thing going on?
Click to expand...
Are you kidding me? Three offensive linemen were out of the game. They could not produce running lanes for Mendenhall. It's not always the QB fault.
 
I know not having the linemen is a big deal, he definately doesn't have the time he's used to back there. However, Ben's always been great in moving up in the pocket, shaking off the initial defender then finding someone via pump fake or whatever and making some big plays.

I'm not seeing a ton of that. I got to thinking last night and from what I've seen, I think Hines Ward has lost a step. He's still a great blocker and team leader. However, I don't see him getting much seperation, especially early on in routes. He still has the hands and even in a crowd he can come down with the ball but with him, Antwan Randle El as their NO. 3 and Wallace, they really don't have that big athletic receiver that some of these teams have like a Calvin Johnson, a Randy Moss, a Brandon Marshall, a Hakeem Nicks etc....

The Steelers have always had very good protection and these mighty mights (wallace isn't that small but he's not like those guys I mentioned) would find places to get open. However, with the limited time Ben is getting, it's hard to hit these guys in traffic, especially with Hines IMO not the guy he was say 3 years ago.

 
Everyone might point to the bottom line of stats and say there's nothing to worry about but there is. Ben was getting pressure all night long because of that porous line. Just because NE called off the dogs late and stats ensued didn't change my overall negative impression going forward. He's a sitting duck back there and an injury just waiting to happen.

Matt Ryan is suddenly looking like the better alternative for me.

 
Choke said:
TenTimes said:
What exactly is the definition of garbage time? The Steelers were down 11 with 6:44 to go, and down 10 with 2:59 to go.
Click to expand...
The minute panicky BigBen owners saw the team look bad and fall behind. At that moment they threw all fantasy football laws and averages out the window and their sky came falling down... and anything afterwards was thus, GarbageTimePoints.
Click to expand...
Typically one hopes their FF QB falls behind early by a large margin...
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
yoman said:
Choke said:
387 yards, 3 tds, 1 int, 12 rush

Behind an OLine that is fresh off of missing 3 starters at LT, LG, RG and without Hines Ward.

:jawdrop:
Click to expand...
The final numbers were definitely QB1 worthy but when this thread was started it wasn't looking very good.
Click to expand...
That's because the game wasn't over!
Click to expand...
Duh! Last week Ben's fantasy numbers were bad and he looked terrible and things were looking bad at that point of the game which is why I said I should have started Flacco. Obviously I was just venting and hoping he would turn it around and all I meant by the above statement because the Steelers were getting their butts kicked in every aspect of the game. Ben didn't threw all 4 of his TD passes (one to Sanders of NE) in the fourth quarter. I have rolled with Ben every week since he has been back and will probably continue to do so.

 
Futz said:
Everyone might point to the bottom line of stats and say there's nothing to worry about but there is. Ben was getting pressure all night long because of that porous line. Just because NE called off the dogs late and stats ensued didn't change my overall negative impression going forward. He's a sitting duck back there and an injury just waiting to happen.

Matt Ryan is suddenly looking like the better alternative for me.
Click to expand...
Ben hasnt had a good line for awhile - Ben also causes some of the problems because he rarely dumps off looking to keep the play alive . . .

 
Firekaps said:
Garbage points are the worst part about FF.
Click to expand...
I completely disagree, they are one of the best parts of FF. It gives us a reason to watch the 4th qtr of a 20+ point blowout game. Heck, it gives us a reason to watch the last 2 MINUTES of a 30 point blowout, when most normal people would have switched the game off and went to bed.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

T
Travdogg's FA/1st round predictions
2
Replies
82
Views
3K
Ray_T
R
T
Travdogg's top-150 (8-21 update)
2
Replies
68
Views
5K
travdogg
T
T
Travdogg's Predictions for the 2024 NFL season
Replies
25
Views
3K
Moonlight
Moonlight

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top