The Birther Conspiracy Thread (4 Viewers)

[timschochet]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

 

[Sarnoff]

So John Boehner is asked on Meet the Press whether he scolds some of his congressmen for continuing with this Birther nonsense. And if he's concerned that, according to recent polling 41% of Republicans are suspicious about where Obama was born and if he's actually a Christian.Boehner: "I can't tell people what to think."

Bill Maher doesn't think Obama's a Christian, either.

 

[datonn]

So John Boehner is asked on Meet the Press whether he scolds some of his congressmen for continuing with this Birther nonsense. And if he's concerned that, according to recent polling 41% of Republicans are suspicious about where Obama was born and if he's actually a Christian.Boehner: "I can't tell people what to think."

So what's the difference between "telling people what to think" and spinning facts and/or outright fabricating information to push some agenda one has on the radio/TV/newspapers for millions of people to read/hear and digest?! I'd really be curious to hear where people would draw that line.

 

[Sam Quentin]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

 

[jon_mx]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

It is more shameful that Mr. Transparency isn't. I am not sure why it becomes the Speaker of the House responsibility. He has zero power to clear it up.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

So John Boehner is asked on Meet the Press whether he scolds some of his congressmen for continuing with this Birther nonsense. And if he's concerned that, according to recent polling 41% of Republicans are suspicious about where Obama was born and if he's actually a Christian.Boehner: "I can't tell people what to think."

Obama isn't really a Christian. HTH.

 

[greenroom]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

It is more shameful that Mr. Transparency isn't. I am not sure why it becomes the Speaker of the House responsibility. He has zero power to clear it up.

Its more shameful that The President of the United States has to go through this. If you don't trust the election process who does the verification of all canidates then who would you trust?

 

[pantagrapher]

We still doing this?

 

[pantagrapher]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

It is more shameful that Mr. Transparency isn't. I am not sure why it becomes the Speaker of the House responsibility. He has zero power to clear it up.

Its more shameful that The President of the United States has to go through this. If you don't trust the election process who does the verification of all canidates then who would you trust?

Reasonable people like Orly Taitz.

 

[the moops]

We still doing this?

It's a good place for all the crazies to congregate.

 

[jon_mx]

What does any of this have to do with Boehner?

He's the Speaker of the House. He really has, IMO, a responsibility to come out and declare these theories as stupid. But he won't dare do it. Republican establishment leaders like him want to have their cake and eat it: they want the votes and energy that the wacky tea party/birther types bring, but they don't want to deal with their insane notions. So Boehner has to parse his words and say stuff like, "Personally, I accept the President at his word," etc. It's pretty shameful.

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

It is more shameful that Mr. Transparency isn't. I am not sure why it becomes the Speaker of the House responsibility. He has zero power to clear it up.

Its more shameful that The President of the United States has to go through this. If you don't trust the election process who does the verification of all canidates then who would you trust?

Oh the horrors! Release a document. WTF? The government requires more of a background check when they hire a janitor.

 

[Road Dogg]

Oh the horrors! Release a document. WTF? The government requires more of a background check when they hire a janitor.

keep the faith my man!

 

[timschochet]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

 

[timschochet]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

If:1. You were Black and had a "foreign" sounding name2. You gave them a Certificate of Live Birth3. The Little League people then demanded to see the "long form"I think you'd be a little suspicious, and well within your rights to tell them to go #### themselves. I would.

 

[jon_mx]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

If:1. You were Black and had a "foreign" sounding name2. You gave them a Certificate of Live Birth3. The Little League people then demanded to see the "long form"I think you'd be a little suspicious, and well within your rights to tell them to go #### themselves. I would.

What if my name was Jack Smith?Julio Mendez?Mohamed Mohamed?

 

[bigbottom]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

Hasn't he produced whatever certificate of live birth document is needed for identification purposes? After all, he has a U.S. Passport, so the government presumably reviewed and verified his birth certificate long ago.

 

[timschochet]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

Jon, you know I disagree with you a lot, but I don't consider you to be a dumb guy. Nor do I think you are racist. So what makes you say there is "little doubt" about this? I honestly don't get it. Frankly, I see no reason to doubt his sincerity about this at all.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

Hasn't he produced whatever certificate of live birth document is needed for identification purposes? After all, he has a U.S. Passport, so the government presumably reviewed and verified his birth certificate long ago.

Do you need to be US born to get a passport?

 

[Road Dogg]

i love me some birthers

 

[the moops]

i love me some birthers

It is truly shocking that they have such little self realization as to not realize how insane they sound.

 

[pantagrapher]

I remember way back on page 1 when Sam Q tried to deny being a Birther.

 

[bigbottom]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

Hasn't he produced whatever certificate of live birth document is needed for identification purposes? After all, he has a U.S. Passport, so the government presumably reviewed and verified his birth certificate long ago.

Do you need to be US born to get a passport?

No. But if he produced a consular report of birth abroad or a naturalization certificate as proof of citizenship, that would have already been known by the U.S. government well in advance of the election.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Do you think it's shamemful that Obama doesn't just publish the long-form birth certificate? When so many of your subjects express doubt about the most basic items of your biography, it is difficult to rule effectively....

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

If:1. You were Black and had a "foreign" sounding name2. You gave them a Certificate of Live Birth3. The Little League people then demanded to see the "long form"I think you'd be a little suspicious, and well within your rights to tell them to go #### themselves. I would.

What if my name was Jack Smith?Julio Mendez?Mohamed Mohamed?

well?a few moreTony JabroniStanley JablonskyHaywood Jablome

 

[Sam Quentin]

Back when I was in college, I actually met a Holocaust denier. He and I got into a conversation, and he challenged me to "prove" that the Holocaust happened. My answer to him was "#### you. I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you." Why should I? He was a ####### idiot, and a bigot as well.That's how I feel about the Birthers. Their motivation for this "inquiry" is, IMO, dishonest, sometimes even to themselves. They would never question Obama's birthplace if he was a white man with a traditional "American" name. Obama's answer to them should be "#### you." That's my response anyhow.So in answer to your question, Obama's "refusal" (if that's what it is, is not shameful, it's honorable. If I were he I would refuse to cooperate in anyway whatsoever.

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

Hasn't he produced whatever certificate of live birth document is needed for identification purposes? After all, he has a U.S. Passport, so the government presumably reviewed and verified his birth certificate long ago.

Do you need to be US born to get a passport?

No. But if he produced a consular report of birth abroad or a naturalization certificate as proof of citizenship, that would have already been known by the U.S. government well in advance of the election.

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

 

[Road Dogg]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

it has been cleared up, to all but you and your birther budsthe state where he was born has said he was born there, end of story

 

[bigbottom]

I went to register my kid for little league and when they asked asked for his birth certicate, I showed them a yellowed newspaper clipping . When they wouldn't accept it, I callled them racist and told them "#### you."

Hasn't he produced whatever certificate of live birth document is needed for identification purposes? After all, he has a U.S. Passport, so the government presumably reviewed and verified his birth certificate long ago.

Do you need to be US born to get a passport?

No. But if he produced a consular report of birth abroad or a naturalization certificate as proof of citizenship, that would have already been known by the U.S. government well in advance of the election.

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

You want the U.S. Government to publicly release his passport file? Why? Presumably the passport was issued based on the same short form certificate of live birth that the birthers find wholly unsatisfactory. In any event, his passport file was already hacked. If there was anything of interest, I imagine we'd already know about it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

 

[jon_mx]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

Jon, you know I disagree with you a lot, but I don't consider you to be a dumb guy. Nor do I think you are racist. So what makes you say there is "little doubt" about this? I honestly don't get it. Frankly, I see no reason to doubt his sincerity about this at all.

Because with one phone call Obama could clear this up. There are records which Hawaiian officials say prove his citizenship. Let's see what they are. It baffles my mind we can't know the circumstances surrounding the birth of the President of the US. No one knows which hospital he was born at or if he was delivered at home or who delivered him. It is just incredible that we can't see the documentation which is claimed to exist which clears up basic background information. We can visit the birthplace of George Washington, why not Obama? It is so strange to me that this information is being withheld that is almost certainly follows that something does not follow the story which Obama has told. I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

 

[the moops]

I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

You do know that any and everyone that questions his birth is part of the lunatic right. They deserve to be ridiculed and they in no way would vote for Obama anyhow.

 

[Road Dogg]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

Jon, you know I disagree with you a lot, but I don't consider you to be a dumb guy. Nor do I think you are racist. So what makes you say there is "little doubt" about this? I honestly don't get it. Frankly, I see no reason to doubt his sincerity about this at all.

Because with one phone call Obama could clear this up. There are records which Hawaiian officials say prove his citizenship. Let's see what they are. It baffles my mind we can't know the circumstances surrounding the birth of the President of the US. No one knows which hospital he was born at or if he was delivered at home or who delivered him. It is just incredible that we can't see the documentation which is claimed to exist which clears up basic background information. We can visit the birthplace of George Washington, why not Obama? It is so strange to me that this information is being withheld that is almost certainly follows that something does not follow the story which Obama has told. I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

What is the working theory on this?are they co-conspiraitors?

were they bought out?

fellow muslims?

Did the Obama Illuminati plant these people in Hawaiian politics over the past 30 years to cover up for this plot to get their mancurian candidate in office to help usher in a new era of mulsim based communism in America?

 

[jon_mx]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

The record produced so far is simply a computer generated document based upon a database of information. There is original source documentation which contains signatures which should have been scanned in and archived which would provide additional insight into Obama's birth.

 

[jon_mx]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

Jon, you know I disagree with you a lot, but I don't consider you to be a dumb guy. Nor do I think you are racist. So what makes you say there is "little doubt" about this? I honestly don't get it. Frankly, I see no reason to doubt his sincerity about this at all.

Because with one phone call Obama could clear this up. There are records which Hawaiian officials say prove his citizenship. Let's see what they are. It baffles my mind we can't know the circumstances surrounding the birth of the President of the US. No one knows which hospital he was born at or if he was delivered at home or who delivered him. It is just incredible that we can't see the documentation which is claimed to exist which clears up basic background information. We can visit the birthplace of George Washington, why not Obama? It is so strange to me that this information is being withheld that is almost certainly follows that something does not follow the story which Obama has told. I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

What is the working theory on this?are they co-conspiraitors?

were they bought out?

fellow muslims?

Did the Obama Illuminati plant these people in Hawaiian politics over the past 30 years to cover up for this plot to get their mancurian candidate in office to help usher in a new era of mulsim based communism in America?

There is no conspiracy. It is the state of Hawaii policy regarding the release of such information. Obama is the one that has to authorize it. This is pretty easy stuff to understand and does not require any grand conspiracy.

 

[BoneYardDog]

You want the U.S. Government to publicly release his passport file? Why? Presumably the passport was issued based on the same short form certificate of live birth that the birthers find wholly unsatisfactory. In any event, his passport file was already hacked. If there was anything of interest, I imagine we'd already know about it.

Yeah if even you can prove your birth place you would think that the activist-in-chief would want to clear this up and have it done and over with... It would keep your ilk from posting about it, that would be a plus...He can fix this in a minute, but he wont, why??? The man is a jerk, fraud, liar and political hack, what is not to believe...Yeah you know about it alright...

 

[bigbottom]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

The record produced so far is simply a computer generated document based upon a database of information. There is original source documentation which contains signatures which should have been scanned in and archived which would provide additional insight into Obama's birth.

Isn't the computer-generated form all you need to prove citizenship for purposes of getting a U.S. Passport, or showing proof of age for Little League sign-up? I ask because Sam Quentin seemed to indicate that he did more to sign his son up for Little League than the President is willing to do. I'm pretty certain all the Little Leaguers in the State of Hawaii aren't required to go to the State to get an archival copy of their original source documentation to sign up for tryouts.

 

[Road Dogg]

I think there is little doubt Obama has lied about something concerning his birth or childhood. Something is not right here. It is most likely just an embarrassing fact that he spun a different way in his autobiographies. It could be something that raises a technicality concerning his citizenship or legal name. There is no way a court would ever act on something like that, but something is being Barryed here.

Jon, you know I disagree with you a lot, but I don't consider you to be a dumb guy. Nor do I think you are racist. So what makes you say there is "little doubt" about this? I honestly don't get it. Frankly, I see no reason to doubt his sincerity about this at all.

Because with one phone call Obama could clear this up. There are records which Hawaiian officials say prove his citizenship. Let's see what they are. It baffles my mind we can't know the circumstances surrounding the birth of the President of the US. No one knows which hospital he was born at or if he was delivered at home or who delivered him. It is just incredible that we can't see the documentation which is claimed to exist which clears up basic background information. We can visit the birthplace of George Washington, why not Obama? It is so strange to me that this information is being withheld that is almost certainly follows that something does not follow the story which Obama has told. I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

What is the working theory on this?are they co-conspiraitors?

were they bought out?

fellow muslims?

Did the Obama Illuminati plant these people in Hawaiian politics over the past 30 years to cover up for this plot to get their mancurian candidate in office to help usher in a new era of mulsim based communism in America?

There is no conspiracy. It is the state of Hawaii policy regarding the release of such information. Obama is the one that has to authorize it. This is pretty easy stuff to understand and does not require any grand conspiracy.

butif he was not born there they lied

thus, they are in on it

 

[bigbottom]

You want the U.S. Government to publicly release his passport file? Why? Presumably the passport was issued based on the same short form certificate of live birth that the birthers find wholly unsatisfactory. In any event, his passport file was already hacked. If there was anything of interest, I imagine we'd already know about it.

Yeah if even you can prove your birth place you would think that the activist-in-chief would want to clear this up and have it done and over with... It would keep your ilk from posting about it, that would be a plus...He can fix this in a minute, but he wont, why??? The man is a jerk, fraud, liar and political hack, what is not to believe...Yeah you know about it alright...

That seems like a somewhat inappropriately hostile response to my post.

 

[jon_mx]

I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

You do know that any and everyone that questions his birth is part of the lunatic right. They deserve to be ridiculed and they in no way would vote for Obama anyhow.

I know many on the left perfer to engage in ridicule and ignore simple pieces of information. The document which contains signatures of the mother of Obama and the doctor who delivered him under most circumstances would be considered significant historical artifacts and probably contains historically significant facts.

 

[BoneYardDog]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

The record produced so far is simply a computer generated document based upon a database of information. There is original source documentation which contains signatures which should have been scanned in and archived which would provide additional insight into Obama's birth.

Isn't the computer-generated form all you need to prove citizenship for purposes of getting a U.S. Passport, or showing proof of age for Little League sign-up? I ask because Sam Quentin seemed to indicate that he did more to sign his son up for Little League than the President is willing to do. I'm pretty certain all the Little Leaguers in the State of Hawaii aren't required to go to the State to get an archival copy of their original source documentation to sign up for tryouts.

So you don't think it is worth shutting this all down... There are only 2 reasons not to clear this up... Well actually only 1 and we know what that is...

 

[pantagrapher]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

The record produced so far is simply a computer generated document based upon a database of information. There is original source documentation which contains signatures which should have been scanned in and archived which would provide additional insight into Obama's birth.

Isn't the computer-generated form all you need to prove citizenship for purposes of getting a U.S. Passport, or showing proof of age for Little League sign-up? I ask because Sam Quentin seemed to indicate that he did more to sign his son up for Little League than the President is willing to do. I'm pretty certain all the Little Leaguers in the State of Hawaii aren't required to go to the State to get an archival copy of their original source documentation to sign up for tryouts.

So you don't think it is worth shutting this all down... There are only 2 reasons not to clear this up... Well actually only 1 and we know what that is...

The entertainment factor of seeing you people tug your beards and foam at the mouth over stupid ####?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

it has been cleared up, to all but you and your birther budsthe state where he was born has said he was born there, end of story

What does this have to with the passport angle?

 

[jon_mx]

butif he was not born there they liedthus, they are in on it

Just because facts are legally recognized, does not make them actually true. Things like adaption or court actions can legally change information so the facts that are recognized might not have been the reality. I don't think any of the state officials are lying.

 

[bigbottom]

Can that information then be released publicly so that this can be cleared up once and for all?

The records used by the state of Hawaii to identify births within their borders was produced a long time ago. This "long form" request is BS. Every state has different names and forms of what we commonly call a "birth certificate" and they have changed over time. It's not some magical document. It's just a form of record keeping.

The record produced so far is simply a computer generated document based upon a database of information. There is original source documentation which contains signatures which should have been scanned in and archived which would provide additional insight into Obama's birth.

Isn't the computer-generated form all you need to prove citizenship for purposes of getting a U.S. Passport, or showing proof of age for Little League sign-up? I ask because Sam Quentin seemed to indicate that he did more to sign his son up for Little League than the President is willing to do. I'm pretty certain all the Little Leaguers in the State of Hawaii aren't required to go to the State to get an archival copy of their original source documentation to sign up for tryouts.

So you don't think it is worth shutting this all down... There are only 2 reasons not to clear this up... Well actually only 1 and we know what that is...

As I believe I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are two likely possibilities: (1) Obama is being uncooperative, either because it makes his detractors look foolish, or simply because he doesn't feel like dealing with the issue any further; or (2) there is some item of information in his records that he would prefer not to publicize for whatever reason. What I don't think is a likely possibility, given what we know, is that Obama was born in another country and the archival records will confirm it.

 

[Road Dogg]

butif he was not born there they liedthus, they are in on it

Just because facts are legally recognized, does not make them actually true. Things like adaption or court actions can legally change information so the facts that are recognized might not have been the reality. I don't think any of the state officials are lying.

so the people who examined the actual documents and said he was born there did not lie, they just did not understand the document the way YOU would if he released it

 

[Road Dogg]

please remember to bump this thread every few weeks

 

[Sam Quentin]

I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

You do know that any and everyone that questions his birth is part of the lunatic right. They deserve to be ridiculed and they in no way would vote for Obama anyhow.

According to the CNN poll linked earlier, only 42% of the public is convinced that he was born in Hawaiiyou have 29% who say "probably" and 29 % who are doubtful58% of his subjects would like to be more convinced.

 

[Road Dogg]

I suppose it could be that Obama thinks it is politically advantageous to keep this conspiracy alive so he can ridicule the opposition, but considering the number of people who are unconvinced, I don't buy that.

You do know that any and everyone that questions his birth is part of the lunatic right. They deserve to be ridiculed and they in no way would vote for Obama anyhow.

According to the CNN poll linked earlier, only 42% of the public is convinced that he was born in Hawaiiyou have 29% who say "probably" and 29 % who are doubtful

58% of his subjects would like to be more convinced.

i you

 

[BoneYardDog]

So you don't think it is worth shutting this all down... There are only 2 reasons not to clear this up... Well actually only 1 and we know what that is...

The entertainment factor of seeing you people tug your beards and foam at the mouth over stupid ####?

Come on that's the reason obama doesn't end this??? Where is the transparency??? So you think he doesn't take 5 minutes to fix this is to entertain you... Nice, who is being stoopid???

 

[pantagrapher]

So you don't think it is worth shutting this all down... There are only 2 reasons not to clear this up... Well actually only 1 and we know what that is...

The entertainment factor of seeing you people tug your beards and foam at the mouth over stupid ####?

Come on that's the reason obama doesn't end this??? Where is the transparency??? So you think he doesn't take 5 minutes to fix this is to entertain you... Nice, who is being stoopid???

The guy using up all the internet's question marks?